Why a filthy men's room instead of a fancy suite & a high end rent boy?

[Philosoraptor]

What draws an important, wealthy, powerful, well connected man into a public men's room for sex? Why can't a man in his position afford to go to a fancy suite with a high dollar rent boy in relative privacy? Why with a total stranger in a public place? Is he too cheap?

Is it that Larry WANTED TO BE CAUGHT AND HUMILIATED more than anything? Is it that he was just so horny he couldn't control himself? Is it that this is the ONLY way he can cop a thrill?

What would Dr. Freud make of Senator Larry? Does he enjoy the heart pounding suspense of getting caught, or beaten up? Can he only satisfy himself with a total stranger who he never expects to see again? Why the men's room Senator?

[krispos42]

1. MPS has really clean bathrooms

Seriously, the whole terminal is new, spotless and incredibly well-run.

Probably a lot cleaner in the MSP men's room than your average hotel comforter!

[Philosoraptor]

3. Filthy just sounds better than seedy or sordid.

[ecstatic]

35. lmao nt

[Swamp Rat]

2. Maybe he was too high and didn't realize it was a cop?

[Philosoraptor]

4. Craig WAS involved in a drug scandal with congressional pages 20 yrs. ago.

[Swamp Rat]

5. How do we know he stopped?

[Virginia Dare]

18. And who did he pay off to hush it all up?...n/t

[Lucinda]

6. I assume it's part of the rush

Seems a lot like the hetero "hit and run" scenario of the bar scene which was pretty common not too long ago


I've never been a fan of casual or dangerous sex...but I can still understand the impulse.

[Philosoraptor]

7. There is a life or death danger factor with a total stranger.

He could be your killer, you never know.

[Lucinda]

8. Yep...in more ways than one...I cant help but wonder

what sort of preliminary behavior happened prior to all the stall-peeking...I really think that there was some sort of "connection" made before the cop went into the stall...I really dont think we've heard the whole story

[flamingpie2500]

9. motel rooms require planning--and a LOT of trust in someone

bathroom stalls are quick and less likely to be traced back to him. Until now of course. LOL

[Luminous Animal]

10. Oh lord.

Give it up.

No paper trail. No witnesses. A simple solution for any human being that lives in a society where most of its members will deny you a job, deny you the pleasure of family, deny you the right to live your life loving the human being of your choice.

[Philosoraptor]

11. Sure for the anonymous person, but an anti-gay U.S. SENATOR?

For 25 years he's been hounded about his sexuality and asked if he was gay a hundred times and has denied it, even yesterday. Then WHY OH WHY is he risking his entire career and reputation by going to a men's room stall, instead of renting his sex partner like everyone else does in D.C.?

Why would a U.S. Senator who is constantly hounded about being gay and living a closeted life take such a risk?

[cboy4]

12. She just explained to you why. All you have to do is look at

what happened to Vitter in Louisiana.

I'm not saying what he did wasn't risky and stupid.

But I'm not as surprised as you seem to be.

[Philosoraptor]

13. Not surprised, but the hyper-hypocrisy does throw me off a bit.

He risked EVERYTHING, even the support of his most loyal voting base, the Christian conservative family values sheeple.

I am shocked a bit by his arrogant and bullheaded press conference.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. Maybe huberis was at play?

You described his press conference as arrogant and bullheaded. Could it be he engaged in this behavior to "prove" that he could get away with it somehow? That would explain the arrogance. The bullheadedness comes in because he was caught and still can't believe it.

[Virginia Dare]

19. Very similar to Michael Vick's initial reaction..

when you're used to buying and bullying your way out of trouble, you start to feel super-human, like you can do anything without ever facing the consequences.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Because the cultures that were forced on gay men produce desires

I'm not clear on why people don't understand this. Gay men were pushed to the margins of society, and developed a set of practices and cultural techniques for finding sex partners that revolved around marginal spaces.

(((NO...NOT ALL GAY MEN...AND IF YOU DIDN'T DO THIS, IT DOESN'T INVALIDATE THE POINT (sheesh). You know damn well that this sort of thing is part and parcel of late 20th century and early 21st century gay culture.)))

These techniques actually produce desires for those kinds of marginalized activities.

It's not really that complicated. If you grew up finding sex in rest stops and public bathrooms and back alleys and piers, you might actually grow to find something deeply erotic about those kinds of encounters.

[mondo joe]

29. But the question remains: why place so much at risk for your erotic charge,

especially when it's not the only avenue available to you.

The same could be asked - and was - of Bill Clinton.

[Philosoraptor]

31. Bill couldn't constrain himself either, with the whole world watching.

I'll never get enough revenge for what they did to Bill.

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. The erotic is not about choice

It's about compulsion.

Until people get that through their thick fucking skulls, we move nowhere.

[mondo joe]

42. I beg to differ. The erotic can be about choice. I think compulsion is something

other than simply "erotic".

[HardRocker05]

43. yeah, but you're more likely to get busted right there on the spot, like craig did. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. It's The Rush

Why did Hugh Grant and Eddie Murphy pick up hookers on the Sunset Strip and Santa Monica Blvd.? For the rush... Both could have afforded high price escorts...

I used to work for an alternative magazine in the early nineties... An author submitted an article about the two Palm Beaches...Anybody familiar with the area knows that all you need to do is cross the Intercoastal and you leave one of the most affluent parts of America for one of the most impoverished parts of America- from Palm Beach to some parts of West Palm Beach...Well- some of the uber rich male residents would cross that bridge for $20.00 trysts with crack addicted prostitutes... I remember the author writing about the "heads bobbing down in the car"...

Public sex is a rush to some folks which I suspect wears off when they get caught...

[Virginia Dare]

17. He wants to feel dirty...

he gets off on it obviously...and it's an obvious cry for help from an extremely repressed individual. I believe Freud would say he suffers from extreme anal rentativeness, his mama took the baba away too early...:rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

20. Did you hear what he said about Clinton years ago...called Clinton a Naughty Boy

A Very Naughty Boy and a Nasty Boy....sounds like Craig was holding up a mirror. IMHO A suite somewhere wouldn't have been the same. He has so much self-loathing that he had to engage in sex in a degrading situation.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. you understand that this man identifies as straight and with the majority culture, right?

the more anonymous and sort of "it just happened" the sex, the less personal, the more he can stick to his straight identity.

asking for a same-sex prostitute is a bigger step towards identifying that you want a male and not female prostitute. it also leaves more traces.

[soothsayer]

24. yup

[mondo joe]

37. Bingo. The Lioness is correct.

As usual. :-)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. why thank you. thats mighty sweet.

[mondo joe]

40. I'm damn sweet.

Everyone knows that.

;-)

[Kazak]

22. The greater the risk, the bigger the thrill?

:shrug:

[Hubert Flottz]

23. There is another republick-um who sent the "Wrong Signal"...

to a cop.

[mondo joe]

25. There's another factor, I think: a rent boy and a suite takes planning, which means thinking

about what you're doing. A men's room takes only the heat of the moment, which might allow him to continue his delusion that he's not gay.

[AngryAmish]

26. 2 words for you -- Larry Flynt

[EnviroBat]

27. He's not Gay, he said so...

He just enjoys being slapped across the face with a penis now and then...

[SteelPenguin]

28. It's self destructive behavior

Sure, there's the rush involved as some mention, but for a man in his position it is pure self destructive behavior.

[Philosoraptor]

30. It just strikes me as hyper-horniness.

I mean, it reeks of desperation. I've known some men who have participated in this type of activity, but they all know the risks of getting caught or busted.

A man in his position OUGHT to be more careful with his activities.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. are you accusing him of carelessness? because imo the man has tried for decades to be careful

in preserving his straight identity.

i think maybe way too careful

[Philosoraptor]

33. Previous men's room pals of larry's have been interviewed, they KNEW who he was.

I listened to an audio recording of one of larry's previous potty pals, he said he instantly knew it was senator larry cause he follows politics. And no mention was made of condoms, which brings up the subject of unsafe sex with strangers.

[Orangepeel]

34. because he's a nasty, naughty, very bad boy

I grew up in a part of the country with a large Mexican-American Catholic population. When I was in high school, I knew Catholic girls who wouldn't use birth control because it was a sin. Well, but sex outside of marriage is also a sin. BUT... birth control was a *planned* sin, while sex in the backseat of a car was something they hadn't *meant* to do, they just made a mistake and couldn't control themselves. So, they felt less guilty. Planning to use birth control would have been it's own sin and also made the sin of sex much worse. I doubt that the Catholic church actually taught them that, but that's the way they felt.

I think it is the same way with Craig. If he rented a fancy suite and high dollar rent boy, that means that he meant to do it (which, in his mind, would be "gay"). He didn't MEAN to do it in the airport bathroom. He just slipped.

[Philosoraptor]

36. Temporary insanity?

Could be...

[mitchum]

39. Self loathing (and it's really deserved in Craig's case)