911 General Strike Gains Momentum - "Scoop" - Please rate this up - get the word out

[autorank]

Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0708/S00383.htm

911 General Strike Gains Momentum

Paging the Mainstream Media – strike911

Truth Peace Impeachment Global Day of Action

Please Forward to Your Local Media

Michael Collins
“Scoop” Independent News
Washington, DC

“No Work, No School, No Shopping – Hit the Streets”

The 911 General Strike called by a coalition of antiwar, 911 Truth, and pro impeachment groups is gaining strength with gatherings scheduled across the country and rapidly expanding activity on the Internet, where the idea originated.

We see this action as one against the injustices listed onhttp://www.strike911.org/"> the site but also one against our own fear, apathy, and cynicism. We want this to be an opportunity for citizens to reclaim a sense of power in defining their own destiny and running our own government. Truth mover 27 August 2007

Strike activities are growing by the day. Formal events are listed below but there’s more. Every citizen is empowered by this essentially leaderless, egoless movement. This is one case where the people will actually lead if they choose. The impact of major public participation would shock those in power who ignore what they see as a passive public.

We recommend that everyone become an organizer for this strike. Try to link up with people in your area, have meetings, network, discuss over the internet, and plan your own creative actions for the 11th. People can help out the strike by just continuing to organize, communicate, and spread the word. Truth mover 27 August 2007

The 911 General Strike takes delivering the message to a whole new level. Apparently the message sent by the 2006 elections got lost in the spam folder. Citizen reminder messages, tens of millions of them, from the public in person, by mail, email, phone, etc., weren’t enough. The general strike gives citizens a chance to show those in power it’s time to listen through “a day of personal reflection and nonviolent dissent in recognition of the course we have been on since 9/11.” The simple action plan includes – no school, no work, no buying anything (at all), and hit the streets.

Indictment of a Government on Holiday

A White House run by the war lobby and an absentee Congress created the following issues which unite citizens in a demand for action:

• Failure to end the Iraq war
• Failure to conduct a no-holds-barred 911 investigation
• Inaction on impeachment hearings
• Elections that become less believable and meaningful with each cycle
• Inaction on health care for those in need
• The willful, deliberate dismantling of the Constitution

The list goes on. Citizens are barely acknowledged, rarely heard.

Help your local media cover this story by forwarding this article and link to them.

The strike grew from grassroots activists in various anti administration group seeking coordinated action and unity. Right now, the following actions are scheduled to take place on September 11, 2007. The goal is to get as many citizens as possible to recognize this highly symbolic day by joining the 911 General Strike and make the clear statement, “No more!”

The www.strike911.org, Global Day of Action, and other sites will be continuously updating activities.

Global Day of Action
Washington, DC New York City Los Angeles, CA
Oakland, San Francisco, San Louis Obispo, Santa Barbara, Santa Cruz, CA
Bloomington, IN Boston, MA Minneapolis, MN Raleigh, NC Dover, NH
Columbus, OH Seattle, WA Baraboo, WI
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Brussels, Belgium Dublin, Ireland Vancouver, BC
Rouen, France Kristiansen, Norway

The http://dc911truth.org/">Washington, DC 9/11/2007 action includes a rally in Lafayette Park at noon, another rally at the White House, a march to the Capitol, and the delivery of a petition to Congress. New York City will have a number of events that bring general strikers and others together to insist on change now.

Internet activity continues at the sites above, http://tinyurl.com/2e4qs4">“buzz on the internet” is extensive and broad based. The web page serves as a central location for information, networking, and strike materials. Groups have started up at FaceBook and MySpace to encourage students and others to participate.[br />

www.strike911.org

“How long do we have to wait?”

The words below came from citizens interviewed for this article.

How long do we have to wait? I don’t see a single thing being done that we asked for. What was the 2006 election about? Weren’t we clear enough?

These views are reflected in public opinion polls showing Bush approval consistently at or below 30% with disapproval above 60%. Only 27% of the public thinks the country is headed in the right direction, while 68% see the country headed in the wrong direction. PollingReport.Com 8/26/07. The wrong direction figure has been above 60% every month since September 11.2005. The debate is over. The bipartisan war party lost.

The General Strike of 9/11/2007 is the first of a series of events planned for September. It began in mid summer as a new, first time coalition effort by activists from different groups with a shared agenda, positive change. Reliance on the Internet and the unknowns between now and 9/11 make it difficult to say how widespread participation will be. But the pattern is set. Like the 1916 Easter Rising in Ireland, this peaceful general strike will show what rank and file movement members and committed citizens can do when they demand action

911 is only two weeks away. On that day, the collective actions of this bottom up movement will provide citizens the chance to show their strength through both numbers and intensity.

ENDS
Previous “Scoop” coverage of the 911 General Strike: General Strike In USA on Sept. 11, 2007
Permission to copy and distribute with a link to the original article in”Scoop” and attribution of authorship.

link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0708/S00383.htm

[althecat]

1. red moon rising....

[tkmorris]

2. K&R for ya Autorank

Needless to say, I am participating in the strike.

[Peace Patriot]

3. The signs need to say "Truth, Peace, Impeachment...and HAND-COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS!

It's a great idea! But PLEASE, PLEASE, I BEG YOU ON BENDED KNEES, WHIPPING MYSELF UNTIL I BLEED, I PRAY, I CRY OUT TO THE HEAVENS, I OFFER INCENSE TO ALL THE GODS, I EVEN SAY THE ROSARY, HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE...we must combine protest of fascism with protest of the mechanism of fascist power, the thing that is tying the American peoples' hands...."TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY vote counting! We need to weld all protest to our chief power as a people to change things: transparent vote counting. "Hand-counted paper ballots" sums it up well. That gets the message to the people, that things are not right with the voting system. This is an extremely important message. All reform depends upon it. PLEASE!

[Senator]

4. K&R

[seafan]

11. Can I hear an AMEN for Peace Patriot!

From an old thread from August, 2005:


Peace Patriot wrote:

.....But bear this in mind. Nothing's going to change until we throw these corporate voting machines, with their SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, into 'Boston Harbor' (so to speak). We are NOT going to get out of this war as things stand, with major wingers controlling the vote count. They won't just be "electing" Bushites; they will also be able to select who we get to vote for, in our own party (in the primaries). And, because the Bushites are so incompetent, our Corporate Rulers are going to have to get a War Democrat in there to keep the U.S. military in Iraq and in the Middle East in general It's becoming pretty clear that's what the plan is.

Said War Democrat will promise to "bring the troops home" some time or another, and NOT to loot Social Security (--that's about all we'll get out of it--NOT looting Social Security). And the war will go on as planned; the hogfeasting war contractors will go on getting their rich slop; we'll have a draft (for sure), and some incident will be created (read: Gulf of Tonkin) to invade Iran. The War Democrat will then get blamed for "the mess"--whatever Bushturds the War Democrat is unable to clean up (short memory of news monopolies, as to who exactly created "this mess")--and we'll get Jeb in '12. More tax cuts for the rich. More war. Until we are drained dry--of young people, money and resources--and they have no more use for us. (Then, on to South America or China, for the Cartel, I guess.)

Sickening, isn't it? But this is not far from what is really going to happen, I think--UNLESS WE CLEAN UP OUR ELECTION SYSTEM WHILE WE STILL HAVE THAT POWER. The bipartisan corruption in the new electronic voting boondoggle, at the local level, is a formidable obstacle, but it's still doable. And we had better get on it (those of us who aren't already). Our democracy is hanging in the balance.

And my reply back to you in that thread:

Priority number ONE is to return to paper and pen voting, hand-counted

....UNLESS WE CLEAN UP OUR ELECTION SYSTEM WHILE WE STILL HAVE THAT POWER...

Exactly on point, Peace Patriot. Good post, BTW.


The number ONE priority we should be pushing to our Senators/Reps, with all the raw energy we can muster, is immediate return to paper and pen voting, hand-counted at each precinct, under the watch of many observers, with vote totals called in by phone to the Supervisor of Elections' office.

All voting machines/software, punch cards, optical scanners, central tabulators should be surgically cut out of our voting process.


If we are not successful in preserving the authenticity and sanctity of our vote, we will lose our country forever as a democracy.

This is truly the frightening bottom line for America.

Amen, Peace Patriot. Just AMEN.

[althecat]

21. Amen

[diva77]

12. 1 more thing - hcpb at the PRECINCT level!!! n/t

[Joe Chi Minh]

29. ...by civil servants, invigilated by members of the public as they do it..

In the US, because it's been such a blood-sport, all the officials at the election sites shoud also be permanent, non-electable civil servants.

[diva77]

84. ooh, I learned a new word, "invigilated" - love it!; however, I think

we should have conscription of regular citizens, like the jury system, to carry out the counting; otherwise you have people with a financial stake involved - I've seen this with civil servants being asked to run early voting and sell the people on DREs regardless of what they truly believe - they're just doin' their jobs so they can keep food on the table.

[Joe Chi Minh]

91. I was taken with it too; both economical and euphonious.

I'd have to agree with you, though in a much earlier post I'd suggested a sort of dedicated team of 'untouchables'.

Still, with your scenario, the matter of an impartial choice of the citizen-invigilators(!) still lingers, doesn't it? It must be possible to work something out, but before that will be possible, the ethos(!) of shameless, outright Republican criminality will need to be crushed by the courts imposing heavy hard-time sentences on the most senior supervisors messing with the elections.

[diva77]

97. well, in the jury system, they have "voir dire" - maybe there is an equivalent

for choosing those who actually do the counting once they have been called for duty...

p.s. keep up the sesquipidalian verbiage please; thank you!!

[Joe Chi Minh]

127. Thanks for the compliment. I don't know the answer to your question

concerning an equivalent to the voir dire of the legal system, but I think they should just appoint Jesuit priests. A simple answer, but not, I think, simplistic.

If the country turned really bad (they're realistic enough to expect a degree of badness), they'd just step down. But they're very politically savvy and, in the meantime, they'd keep the elections as straight as a die - whatever pressures corrupt politicians and police tried to subject them to. No harm in having Joe Public invigilating their counts, just the same. They'd be the last to object.

They'd also be well up to learning about the mechanics of the recent election frauds from our experts.

In another connection, in a review of a book called, Foyle's Philavery of: A Treasury of Unusual Words, in the Mail On Sunday, today, I came across an interesting word, today: 'kakistocracy', meaning, 'a system of government in which the rulers are the least competent, least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. Surely, that should read, AND/or 'most unprincipled'?

Why that should have struck me as so memorable I can't imagine.

Another gem found by the reviewer, a Leo McKinstry, and his witty comment:

"So when he (McKinstry) tells us that the Old English verb to groat means to stare longingly at someone who is eating, he adds: 'This is an ancient art still widely and ably practised by pet dogs everywhere.' Our cat, too, for that matter.

[shance]

110. Citizen hand count paper ballots is what we all should be demanding***

Thank you Peace Patriot and Autorank for all the great work you are both doing.

[Mnemosyne]

5. Good morning autorank!

:kick:nR!

[autorank]

14. Good afternoon vickiss .... No work, no spending - hit the streets:)

:hi:

[Mnemosyne]

66. I live beside a well-traveled Rt. and

plan on holding a sign most of the day.

I rarely spend money anyway, so no spending, no problem!

Just hope the rednecks here don't decide to run me over or take shots. I had one in my driveway a couple months ago that really, really didn't like my Impeach, Support Our Troops, Impeach sign.

:hi:

[Me.]

6. Morning

:kick:

[autorank]

15. Hello from Zel Miller country, Georgia

...where my hosts, who know scads of people, can't find more than one person to defend Bush, not more than one. This is hard core, consistent Republican territory. They're furious.

Now that's a reality check, isn't it. :toast:

[wildbilln864]

50. And how is old Zell these days?

That sorry P.O.S.! :grr:

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. Have any labor unions got behind this?

If not, this will be an utter failure.

[billyoc]

13. Oh, man, you know how effin' ILLEGAL that is?

General Strikes have to be handled by word of mouth between rank and file union members.

Which we're busy doing now. ;)

[passy]

8. k&r

[galloglas]

9. K and R. What was it Dylan said?

in his song "Joey"?

"It's peace in Eye-raq, that we need,
to go back to work again."

[autorank]

16. He' s preaching. I have one question: IF NOT NOW, WHEN?

Do we just wait forever like some who say we can wait until the elections and clean up, more seats.

Seats don't matter then, peace, impeachment, 911 truth, free and fair elections with the Missouri model, hand counted paper ballots...that's an item of major importance.

You of all people on this service would appreciate this line from the article.

Like the 1916 Easter Rising in Ireland, this peaceful general strike will show what rank and file movement members and committed citizens can do when they demand action.

Like Starsky & Hutch said in the movie: JUST DO IT!

[althecat]

19. The 1916 Easter Rising wasn't all that peaceful....

[dflprincess]

45. Nor was its aftermath

Does this mean we should meet at post offices for the demonstrations?

[galloglas]

63. No. The GPO

is where we start things. And see them through to the finish...

BTW, hasn't been bad since 1932. Eleven or so years of "troubles" to replace 850 years of tyranny seems a good trade-off.

[dflprincess]

82. I was thinking of the way the Brits went berserk executing the leaders

of the Rising - though, so I've been told, in the long run it was that reaction that turned the tide of public opinion in Ireland to the rebels.

[galloglas]

93. Precisely, my princess !!

It will never be forgotten.

Indeed, that was their (the Irish leaders) plan. That the overweening ferocity and cruelty of the British Occupation would be the cause of the Great Rising

And the street minstrels took it from there. They told you well.

[galloglas]

62. Nor was Joey Gallo

see entry under Context, Context!! (no 61)

Dear me, has my natural ferocity been mistaken for felicity? I must go hone my razors!

[althecat]

20. And its Nike that says "Just Do It"

Not that it matters a lot. I am just in a pedantic mood today.

[puebloknot]

34. Anyway, we can call it a "Day of Rest," rather than a general strike.

A day to walk outside, wearing our new orange shirts, leaving the wallets at home, calling in sick to work!

We have to be sure that this massive protest against a massively illegal government is *legal*, doncha know!

[msedano]

38. but, but, boycott ?

911 is the day i begin training my replacement. i waited 24 years for this day, for that guy to walk in the door so i could walk out the other. postpone the strike 'cause i ain't postponing my retirement. i'll strike next time.

recommended nonetheless.

mvs

http://readraza.com
http://labloga.blogspot.com

[galloglas]

60. Self Delete

[galloglas]

61. Context, context !!

When Dylan was singing "Joey", it was about Joey Gallo he was singing about.

And that particular line was said to a Mafia mobster, tied hand and foot, who was pissing his pants in fear (as the Strike should make the GOP do).

"Joey" was saying, in effect, "stop this bullshit (like in Iraq, N.O., Iran, FISA, etc.) and we can 'go back to work again'"


From the song:

There was talk they killed their rivals, but the truth was far from that
No one ever knew for sure where they were really at.
When they tried to strangle Larry, Joey almost hit the roof.
He went out that night to seek revenge, thinkin' he was bulletproof.

The war broke out at the break of dawn, it emptied out the streets
Joey and his brothers suffered terrible defeats
Till they ventured out behind the lines and took five prisoners.
They stashed them away in a basement, called them amateurs.

The hostages were tremblin' when they heard a man exclaim,
"Let's blow this place to kingdom come, let Con Edison take the blame."
But Joey stepped up, he raised his hand, said, "We're not those kind of men.
It's peace and quiet that we need to go back to work again."


Subtle pressure, huh?

[L. Coyote]

10. Who are the people in "a coalition of antiwar, 911 Truth, and pro impeachment groups "

It would be nice to know WHO is behind this. Who are the individuals?

[althecat]

22. Tis an egoless movement... nobody is behind it...

[L. Coyote]

41. YES. It created itself in UTAH just three days ago. Identy masked to protect themselves?

So, an organization created three days ago? is now an umbrella for all the things everyone had planned to do on 9/11? That is momentum!

This would be a little bit easier to believe if the organizers would be willing to say who they are. Until then, count me out of accepting a 9/11 conspiracy group bootstrapping the anti-war movement.

[wildbilln864]

51. So you're saying......

you don't want the truth about 911 then? :shrug:
I've always felt that when all the facts are laid to bear openly, all or most of the conspiracy theories will go away. Then the truth remains!

[L. Coyote]

80. YES I want the TRUTH about who is doing this. But, hey, that's a secret, it seems!

And we all know how important keeping secrets is in the struggle for TRUTH!

[donkeyotay]

17. An idea whose time has come. nt

[autorank]

18. It's that time...tired of these tin eared "leaders" diss'ing us!

:hi:

[donkeyotay]

23. This would be the best thing that could happen to us. For America to remember

that WE are the deciders, boosh works for us. 9-11 was the excuse for the takeover of our country, so what better day to reclaim it. Mr. Boosh needs to be held accountable for Sept. 12th and the long years since. I've had it. I'll gladly join this grassroots rebellion.

[AntiFascist]

24. K&R n/t

[Truth2Tell]

25. K&R

For the effort.

[Kurovski]

26. K&R.

:hi:

[understandinglife]

27. Recommended!

:thumbsup:

[Liberal In Texas]

28. Kick. I have the awful feeling that 9/11/07 is also going to be the start of the big push to gin up

support for an attack on Iran. No doubt starting with Gen. Betray-us' speech.

[TomInTib]

30. Half the stores in our Town are participating.

God, I love Tiburon.

[stimbox]

31. K&R

I'm so there.

[rhett o rick]

32. HEY, I want to help but I am retired. How do i strike?? nm

[slowry]

36. "No shopping" and "hit the street" still apply :)

Don't worry -- that doesn't mean you can't still steal batteries, as all older folks do, or so I heard.

(kidding!)

[rhett o rick]

44. Steal batteries, wtf, i aint that old. lol. i will definately hit the street. nm

[libodem]

33. This is a great idea!

[Vidar]

35. K&R for autorank, & the sake of this country.

[wildbilln864]

37. K&R #39!

Yep!

[L. Coyote]

39. WILL the Organizers Identify Themselves?? WHOIS Created THREE DAYS AGO!

No reply yet about the secretive aspect of who is behind this!!

So I checked further. Identity Masked: Created THREE DAYS AGO!

===================
Registry Whois for http://www.strike911.org/
Identity Masked: Created THREE DAYS AGO!

Domain Name: strike911.org
Creation Date: 2007-08-26 02:02:47

OrgName: Bluehost Inc.
OrgID: BLUEH-2
Address: 1548 North Technology Way #D13
City: Orem
StateProv: UT
PostalCode: 84097
Country: US

The photobucket is albums/v474/autorank/911strike911site.png

Global Day of Action is the same site as strike911.org/

==========================
Registry Whois: actindependent.org
Creation Date: 2007-06-18
IP Address: 68.178.254.226

Registrant Contact Information:
Name: Joseph Azar
Address 1: 1220 N. Pierce St. #904
City: Arlington
State: Virginia
Zip: 22209
Country: US
Phone: [phone]
[e-mail]

[L. Coyote]

40. Is this the same Joseph Azar who donates to the Republican National Committee?

[autorank]

53. Bring some sense to your inuendos and a request for you.

www.strike911.org

With regard to strike911.org, that’s a private listing of an org in which the vendors name shows up – Bluehost, just like you would have seen, or did see at the link below.

The registration might be 3 days old with Bluehost but the site’s been up longer. I wrote this on August 13, 2007. The same web page was there. If you’d clicked on the link at the end of my article, you would have known it was a site much older than the current registration. But you chose not to do that and there’s an innuendo here of something wrong – “created 3 days ago.”


General Strike In USA on Sept. 11, 2007
Monday, 13 August 2007, 10:39 pm
Column: Michael Collins
GENERAL STRIKE IN USA on Sept. 11, 2007 – 9/11
Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0708/S00383.htm Check the date, 8/13/2007

The strike911.org link was there, and it was there when it got 5000 diggs for a period of 8 days prior to that. You're wrong in your implication.

Details:

1) Bluehost has domain privacy and it looks just like this. Domain Privacy If you’d gone to the site just linked, you’d see that they’ve registered privately. If you did go and you’re raising this question, shame on you. It’s misleading as Hell.

So strike911.org is a private registration. You have no connection to anybody, as you implied with the 911 truth group.

Whois strike911.org – clearly shows a private registration by the ISP.

https://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=strike911.org

2) If you were running strike911.org, you’d want privacy too to keep every wacko out there from running you down.

3) The entire point of the General Strike is to raise the people up in a leadership position.

4) So this is your problem, not a problem of the .org people, who state flat out, ego isn’t the issue here. If you don’t like it, don’t look.

www.Actindependent.org

You use the name Joseph Azar (i.e., Republican donar), that’s no more than an inuendo. I’ll find out and post it here but the building is in the Arlington VA business district and it’s probably a private host registration also.

Actindependent.org is associated with these planks:

FIVE POLICY GOALS
http://actindependent.org/
We appeal to leftists, progressives, conservatives, libertarians, independents, and those entering or re-entering politics to transcend the artificial divisions that have diminished their impact. The antiwar, impeachment, anti-globalization, labor, civil rights, veterans, anti-tax, civil liberties, honest election, and 9/11 truth movements—along with civic and progressive religious groups and other issue groups—have been weakened too long by single issues and narrow focus. It is time for these movements to unite as a national coalition on a common platform for independent action. We call for a united front of all organizations and persons of good will based on the following:
1. Impeach, remove, and indict Bush, Cheney and their henchmen.
2. End all wars. All U.S. troops must be brought home at once from Afghanistan and Iraq by any means necessary, including the immediate cutoff of funding.
3. No Bush police-state dictatorship. Repeal the Patriot Act, restore full habeas corpus, respect the Bill of Rights and the Geneva Convention.
4. Government by the People, not by cliques of bankers and financiers.
5. 9/11 truth. Publish the full 9/11 documentation, and re-open the investigation.
Why would you make the comment on the Republican Party? It’s purely gratuitous.

This is inaccurate information delivered in a way that could be very misleading for the people at actindependent.org and you compound the problem by lumping strike911.org in your not so clever question about some guy who you know nothing about.

Why wouldn’t you PM me and clarify this before making what could be taken as defamatory association? I’ve received emails from you in the past and responded promptly. You don’t make the charge; you just raise the question based on a lack of information, which results in the innuendo.

You show up on my threads and post negative comments, even post some of my stories before I have a chance to (which I find annoying since I like to post what I write) , and you raise negative questions that really have little to do with anything. That’s why I don’t respond.

This is over the top. You’ve messed up a thread on the general strike with your innuendo before confirming that the innuendo was even justified.

I don’t want you posting on my threads again and I don’t want you posting my stories either. I can’t enforce this but I’m asking you nicely. If you do post on my thread, I’ll leave just one response saying that I’d asked you to stay away.

(Oh, btw the Photobucket account is mine. I use it so that I pay for any bandwidth I use for images.)

[L. Coyote]

58. How about an answer to the question. WHO IS behind this. Is this your STRIKE.

Are you the journalist, or the activist who created this web site?

If you are the journalist, do you know who is behind this web site?

[Subdivisions]

64. Autorank doesn't owe you any explanations. Exactly what is

your problem with this strike? If I was the registrar of that website, I would've registered it privately too. Why would I want to make it easy for shrubco's blackwater goons to find me and put a stop to such an event? Don't forget, those guys have been given immunity from their crimes during this war.

I have extensive experience in the registration of domain names as well as the transfer of domain ownership. It is not at all uncommon for someone to NOT want their personal information available for all to see.

For some political domains, I have MYSELF privately registered so that wackos won't bother me or my family. But I have alot more benign websites that I don't register privately because I want people to contact me through those sites.

If you don't believe this event is legitimate then you probably won't attend, right?

[L. Coyote]

69. Just asking a legitimate question. If someone calls for a national strike, I want to

know who it is. Is it Osama, is it even an American citizen, is it someone manipulating American politics from overseas, who is it?

How many times have you seen someone call for a national strike?
Don't you want to know if this is Al Queda or whoever doing this?

Anonymity on the Internet may be useful in some cases, but to think you can call
a national strike and not identify yourself is a totally ridiculous expectation.

And anyone who thinks this is a good idea w/o knowing who is doing it should rethink this one.

[Subdivisions]

73. Thank you for your reasonable reply. I

have to admit that you have a point. But the domain registration point I made still stands. It could be that the org or individual responsible for calling the general strike just doesn't want crazies to hunt them down.

On the other hand, and giving consideration to your point, it could be a setup for a catastrophic event should that also be the day chosen for Cheney's next Pearl Harbor strike on the US. Chilling thought.

[L. Coyote]

76. Or a simple repeat of Chicago '68. Link the anti-war and impeachment groups to 9/11 loonies

and throw in a general strike, which might turn into a riot, and you have the same old playbook, with new fools.

Of course, one can argue, "At least in 1968 they had real people to prosecute after the police turned our protest into a riot."

Just the same, I did link the name to the RNC!!!! That, at least, deserves more inquiry, rather than a PM telling me to get lost.

[greyl]

89. That makes a lot more sense than many of those speaking at the event do. nt

[althecat]

105. On edit...... regarding the RNC Connection

Which bit of the explanatio provided in the post above

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1687847&mesg_id=1695549

Doesn't satisfy you.

[L. Coyote]

112. The lack of an answer to a direct question. Is it or isn't it the same person?

[foo_bar]

136. the answer must be "superimposed quantum states"

You know how it is getting a binary result from a black box cat.

[autorank]

114. If you wanted answers, you'd go to the sites menetioned.

Of course, they might find you as offensive as I do.

But do it yourself instead of this tantrum here.

[2rth2pwr]

122. Policy goal #2

Why should we stop going after bin Laden?

[iaviate1]

42. self delete

[WillyT]

43. Big K & R !!!

:bounce::kick::bounce:

[backscatter712]

46. K&R

BTW, does anyone know if there are any strike events in the Denver or Boulder area?

[backscatter712]

65. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? I'd like to go to an event in Denver or Boulder, CO.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

47. I guess Bush and Cheney weren't anticipating a general strike

might interfere with their plans?

[FourScore]

48. K&R

Thanks, autorank!!

[L. Coyote]

49. Is this a completely BOGUS web site? Who created this? Red Herring?

Who wrote this story? Why are there no people populating it? Is this a joke? Or a ruse?

Is it a gullibility test? Cay you name even one person who is doing this?

[L. Coyote]

52. Another anonymous web site. Who is this? Unknown??

Registry Whois dc911truth.org
Creation Date: 2006-04-11 03:07:17
IP Address: 69.59.17.73
OrgName: Carolina Internet
OrgID: CARO
Address: 900 Center Park Drive
Address: Suite A
City: Charlotte
StateProv: NC
PostalCode: 28217

[autorank]

121. Who created you. Be sure mind is working before keyboard is engaged.

[Beam Me Up]

54. The idea of a general strike has been percolating on-line

especially among 9/11 truth or re-investigation advocates for quite a while. The problem has always been finding the numbers -- even though the numbers are growing as is the prestige factor of some participants.

I think the most recent discussion of the possibility came from the PHILADELPHIA EMERGENCY ANTI-WAR CONVENTION, JULY 4, 2007. Although it is only mentioned in passing in http://www.911blogger.com/node/9843">THE PHILADELPHIA PLATFORM, it was discussed in forum.

We're at a time when traditional institutions of all sorts are coming into question -- and for good reason. The current government has shown itself to lie to us continuously about everything. But when it comes to 9/11 what you have is a subject which some people refuse to discuss while others do so only with ridicule. Meanwhile the hard evidence, and there is a lot of it, that at the very least government agencies are involved in a massive cover-up of the facts is growing. For example, the data from the flight data recorder allegedly found at the Pentagon has been fairly conclusively been shown to be an utter fraud. This was the data upon which the NTSB's "Flight Path Study," cited by the 9/11 Commission report, was drawn. Nevertheless, information such as this is not reaching the American people because news media will not touch it. Whenever they do, it is always to denounce it by "experts" whose credibility and objectivity can be easily questioned. It has only been relatively recently that groups of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, have begun to form.

The point being, 9/11 Truth is, for the most part, a genuine grass-roots movement. As such it isn't without some serious problems acerbated both from within and from without. In point of fact, although there are various 'leaders', there is no centralized control. An individual, or a small group of them, can put out a call such as this, for example, and groups around the country -- and, indeed, around the world, hear about it. Now, they can either choose to adopt this strategy locally or not. In other words, there is no top-down enforcement of that. If individuals and groups feel some solidarity for the call to action, then they choose to participate in whatever way seems most fitting at the local level.

This call to action is suggesting that all the different groups who oppose the direction this country is headed, whatever their analysis of the situation may be, can begin to work together. 9/11 Truth is not going to be an embarrassment to anyone who doesn't have anything to hide. Every justification for war and increased Executive power is predicated upon the story they've told us about 9/11 being true. We know they are hiding the truth and they know we know it.

This isn't politics as usual we're dealing with here. And we're no longer in an era when top-down decision making from a central core of "trusted leaders" is going to set the whole political agenda. People of all persuasions are frustrated -- the system is not reflecting their will and intent.

Now, why is that and what can we do about it. Directly.

[Peace Patriot]

68. Excellent reply to L. Coyote and his question "Who is this?" I was going to say "Who cares?"

If it's a good idea, and people rally to it, to express their outrage at this government, who cares how it started, or when, or "who's behind it"? An idea is an idea. It has no leaders. If it's the right idea, no one can be misled. EVEN IF it has some evil source--which is what L. Coyote seems to be implying--it's like Bush saying he wants to promote "freedom and democracy" around the world. Does that make "freedom and democracy" a bad idea? No. We can still pursue "freedom and democracy" in ways that we know are genuine. A nationwide strike on 9/11/07 is merely that--an idea, words--and what activity has been suggested?: not working, not buying, just being. Got to watch out for anyone who would suggest THAT. Not.

I like this sentence in your post the best: "Every justification for war and increased Executive power is predicated upon the story they've told us about 9/11 being true. We know they are hiding the truth and they know we know it."

Yup. 9/11 is the anniversary of our undoing as a democracy. And it is most certainly an appropriate day on which to object. It is the heart of the matter. It is how we came to be inflicted with an unjust, unnecessary, genocidal war that SEVENTY PERCENT of the American people oppose. It is why NOTHING WE DO moves our government--whether in the White House or the Congress--to heed our will. It is the dramatic, murderous corollary of "trade secret" vote counting. It smells to high heaven, as does everything that has happened since.

And it makes no sense at all that a protest on 9/11/07 would be promoted by any nefarious party who means us ill. And even if there are some bad dudes infiltrated into every aspect of our society, to watch us, and to direct our activities to ill purpose, SO WHAT? It's not as if we haven't dealt with COINTEL PRO before!

The things to watch for are: 1) Mysterious dissension within groups, personal fights that make little sense, group-destroying activities (always, always back away; walk away; form another group); 2) Suggestions of illegal activities that are not upfront civil disobedience actions where individuals agree to take the consequences, including jail, in the full light of day (beware of anybody who suggests covert illegal activity); and 3) steering the group or movement toward confrontation with the police state that would likely result in lots of people getting hurt.

I witnessed an example of the latter in 1967, one of the first big antiwar marches in San Francisco. March leaders had negotiated with the police to use half of Market Street. In the middle of the march (a wonderful event!), somebody jumped out of the crowd of marchers near me and yelled, "Let's take over the whole street!" But even a mid-60s crowd was well aware of the role of "agents provocateur" and he was ignored.

Suggestions like that, aimed at headbashing and chaos, are made to order for the war profiteering corporate news monopolies. Whatever the rules, negotiated by protest leaders, STICK TO THE RULES. This does not mean that an individual of conscience should not break the law, in the sunshine, and take responsibility for it, in the Gandhian way. But such people NEVER endanger others unnecessarily, and NEVER encourage riot and mayhem, by inciting a CROWD of unprepared people to suddenly veer off into a confrontation.

Use your common sense. Use your heart. These great qualities of the true leftist--advocate of the people, advocate of democracy, humanist and peacemaker in the great tradition of the Enlightenment--will tell you what is right to do, what is honest and pure-hearted, and what promotes the general good.

[L. Coyote]

72. Precisely! You make my point. "...the role of "agents provocateur"..."

You write, "But even a mid-60s crowd was well aware of the role of "agents provocateur" and he was ignored."

How do you know this isn't a provocateur? This is exactly what the "agents provocateur" rely upon, anonymity.

We all know how that crap works. About half the protesters in Chicago were in lock step to derail the Democratic Party, and they did it handily. Do you think it is not happening now. It was happening to us in 1968, when I worked in the Kennedy campaign. Our candidate was murdered! Pardon me for being suspicious today.

[althecat]

102. This is a more reasonable assertion than most you make Coyote...

The 911 Truth movement is so full of disinfo merchants that it is something to be very wary of. From what I can see in this particular case it seems highly unlikely. 911truth.org in particular is at the saner end of the 911 truth movement and if it is associated with it in some way then it is probably not particularly odious.

My first thought when I heard about this plan was that it would make an ideal target for a false flag terror op. However since you think that all that is crap anyway you should have nothing to worry about :)

[L. Coyote]

111. Linking to a site does not an association make.

[althecat]

123. 911truth.org isn't just linking to the site....

It is the registration site for participation from the look of things.

[foo_bar]

55. since you mentioned it

Act I:

Advertising itself as New Zealand's leading corporate intelligence agency, Thompson & Clark Investigations' speciality is helping controversial companies to spy on their opponents. The Star-Times has documents identifying two young people who were recruited by the private investigators and became trusted members of target poltical groups.

The pair wrote regular reports on the groups' meetings and plans, collected information on special subjects of interest to the clients and helped set up systems to automatically redirect all the groups' internal emails to the private investigator's Auckland offices.
<..>
Ryan, a 25-year-old Canterbury University student, confessed on Thursday when confronted by the Star-Times, admitting Thompson & Clark paid him on behalf of Solid Energy to infiltrate Christchurch environment group Save Happy Valley. The group opposes plans for a new government-run open-cast coal mine on the West Coast because of climate change and threats to a critically endangered endemic snail.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4074270a6005.html (Stuff.co.nz)

---

Act II:

"Solid Energy support for Buller developments"
Wednesday, 18 July 2007, 2:59 pm
Press Release: Solid Energy NZ

"Scoop.co.nz" Press Release, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0707/S00340.htm

"Solid Energy Enters Solar Market With Consultancy"
Wednesday, 11 July 2007, 2:29 pm
Press Release: Solid Energy NZ

"Scoop.co.nz" Press Release, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0707/S00216.htm

"Solid Energy stands by use of Security advisors"
Sunday, 27 May 2007, 3:10 pm
Press Release: Solid Energy NZ

Solid Energy stands 100% by its use of security advisors to help protect its people, its property and its business against the ongoing and increasingly illegal activities of environmental activists.

Solid Energy Chief Executive Officer, Dr Don Elder, today hit back hard following an article in the Sunday Star Times: “All businesses gather a wide range of information to protect themselves against risk. We’re no different; one of our significant risks is the illegal activities of these activists, which are specifically designed to cause us maximum economic damage. As part of our security risk management we employ advisors, including Thompson & Clark Investigations Ltd (TCIL), to provide us with information and advice to manage and minimise these sorts of risks to our business.

"Scoop.co.nz" Press Release, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0705/S00575.htm

Our Media Tracking Service – NewsAgent – now serves a wide range of clients encompassing Public Relations agencies, Government Agencies, Foreign Government Missions, Energy Companies, Transport & Infrastructure Organisations, Universities, District Health Boards, NGOs, Unions, Industry Associations and Private Companies

"A Brief Introduction to Scoop.co.nz", as seen in Google cache (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:kgP3H23GjbUJ:www.prinz.org.nz/site/WebResources.nsf/ee6188e00b9154c74c256893005530c2/82dfca37137ccd14cc256e6d001af41b/%24FILE/Introduction%2520to%2520NewsAgent%2520Scoop.co.nz.doc+scoop.co.nz+%22energy+companies%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

---

Act III:

I'm going on strike that day, period.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1562370#1567523

I'm on vacation and I got this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x835400 (05/2007)

Have a great vacation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=459607&mesg_id=459740 (11/2006)

Thanks for taking time from your vacation to create the ERD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x445931#445946 (08/2006)

I'm sorry you got the silent treatment* for asking truthful and/or pertinent questions.

* http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=404988&mesg_id=405076
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5275848#5287517
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5275848#5288167

[foo_bar]

56. Act IV

Here's my inspiration. It was either him or Robert Emmet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x426649#426692

Suffered under British rule...


Robert Emmet & Michael Collins
Liberated by heroes...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=102&topic_id=2206469&mesg_id=2206473

Registrant:
Emmet, Robert

ATTN: ELECTIONFRAUDNEWS.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 447
Herndon, VA 20172-0447

Domain Name: ELECTIONFRAUDNEWS.COM

Administrative Contact :
Emmet, Robert

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=electionfraudnews.com

Publisher
michaelcollins (at) electionfraudnews.com

http://electionfraudnews.com/

[foo_bar]

59. re: the missing Stuff.co.nz/Star-Times article

With a tip of the hat to Google cache:

Advertising itself as New Zealand's leading corporate intelligence agency, Thompson & Clark Investigations' speciality is helping controversial companies to spy on their opponents. The Star-Times has documents identifying two young people who were recruited by the private investigators and became trusted members of target poltical groups...
<...>
Ryan said he was paid $400 a month to attend weekly meetings plus extra for other activities and admitted the lure of the money was too great to resist.

"I regret hurting people who I call friends and who felt trust in me."

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:UwwIiLqfqO4J:www.stuff.co.nz/print/4074686a10.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us (as originally seen on "http://stuff.co.nz/print/4074686a10.html" per Google, and "http://stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4074270a6005.html" according to the now-obsolete link in my draft, the "Sunday Star-Times", datelined Sunday, May 27, 2007)
see also:
http://www.spinwatch.org/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=4238
http://alt.nntp2http.com/politics/socialism/2007/05/c6c7947edf1011ad22ba166479097901.html
http://forum.quakers.org.au/viewtopic.php?p=4198&sid=9e3cedde551585a87a391ff3cb4512b1

Maybe they took it down on account of the egregious spelling errors. In any event, the CEO of Solid Energy defended the practice on "Scoop", which was nice enough to host an image of the CEO standing beside his press release: here.

“We will not discuss any details of our security arrangements, as this would prejudice and disadvantage our ability to carry out our commercial activities. However I would like to be absolutely clear. We stand behind Thompson & Clark Investigations Ltd and their work for us. Their activities are legal, moral and ethical, and they conduct their business in compliance with their industry standards which are widely accepted and consistent with international practices.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0705/S00575.htm ("Scoop" dateline: Sunday, May 27, 2007)

[althecat]

125. Sorry this confused me utterly the first time I read it.... but now I see you are a complete moron.

I wonder who did that piece of research because it is so wrongheaded it is laughable. I would be dearly interested in where you dug up this reasearch.

And meanwhile what exactly are you trying to say in all of this?

Looks to me like completely aimless innuendo.

Since you raised some questions however I will reply.

1. Stuff.co.nz removes all their website stories after a few weeks - thats normal.

2. The case of PI company disinfo opertaion you are pointing to is indeed a case of corporate disinfo and all sides of the story were covered by Scoop.co.nz. If you search a bit harder...

http://www.google.com/custom?q=%22save+happy+valley+coalition%22&domains=www.scoop.co.nz&sitesearch=www.scoop.co.nz&sa=Google+Search&client=pub-3779115520653219&forid=1&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BFORID%3A1&hl=en

... you will find that there are press releases from political parties about this on scoop plus press releases from the "Save Happy Valley Coalition" who is the group who was spied on.

... if you actually email the "Save Happy Valley Coalition" and ask them about Scoop you will find they have a fairly favourable view of us on account of the fact that we are the most free media in NZ and certainly the most activist friendly news outlet.

3. Scoop.co.nz is a disintermediated news platform - i.e. we publish press releases in real time so that you can find out what everybody is up to. We have been doing this since June 1999.

4. Solid Energy Ltd. is a SOE - i.e. a NZ Government Owned business - this is why its actions were called so greatly into question we publish thousands of press releases a month from businesses of all kinds in NZ. That is the business we are in.

[foo_bar]

134. just reporting the (Google) news

all sides of the story were covered by Scoop.co.nz.

You can say that again; hence the "fair 'n balanced" snark (that's the corporate motto of FOX News in the US, which broadcasts government propaganda without changing a hair, or the pro-energy side of high oil prices and hurricanes (generally with the affected government agency/corporation doing all of the legwork)). I was hoping for a grain of truth beyond your appraisal of my intellect (not the most effective line of attack unless one wants to appear insecure about the subject), but the level of emotion suggests I'm a bit closer to the truth than you might initially admit to yourself (especially the "innuendo" part, coming from someone who questioned UK-Febble's patriotism to America a post before subtly America-bashing himself).

I had noticed that Stuff.co didn't make an effort to portray "all sides of the story" when they published the Hager article, while your "disintermediated" medium was the rapid response megaphone for the anti-environmentalist powers to be. Other "disintermediated" internet media (disintermedia?) such as truthout.org don't have as much technical difficulty separating corporate spin from news (if not separating facts from wild suppositions), but then,

That is the business we are in.

Our Media Tracking Service – NewsAgent – now serves a wide range of clients encompassing Public Relations agencies, Government Agencies, Foreign Government Missions, Energy Companies, Transport & Infrastructure Organisations, Universities, District Health Boards, NGOs, Unions, Industry Associations and Private Companies
<...>
Our clients use NewsAgent for three main reasons:
<...>
2. Intelligence gathering. Many press releases never make it into media yet still contain information relevant and of value to those involved in that sector. NewsAgent delivers this providing a broad base of information for policy development and to provide a clear picture of varying perspectives at play.

From "A Brief Introduction to: Scoop.co.nz", Google cached edition (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:kgP3H23GjbUJ:www.prinz.org.nz/site/WebResources.nsf/ee6188e00b9154c74c256893005530c2/82dfca37137ccd14cc256e6d001af41b/%24FILE/Introduction%2520to%2520NewsAgent%2520Scoop.co.nz.doc+scoop.co.nz+%22energy+companies%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

Earlier:

I am Michael Collins publisher and I know who he is. I was Bev Harris's publisher back in the distant past and if Febble or OTOH ever wrote anything worth publishing I would be happy to be their publisher too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x474094

I assume you didn't mean that you literally -are- Michael Collins, probably a missing apostrophe. Anyway, if Liddle and Lindeman sent a press release (god forbid) to <[e-mail]>, would it be published alongside the corporate apologias, Freedom House inspired exit poll legends promoting the reversal of elections with a fictional branch of statistics, and fun facts about energy companies? Or do people need to agree with you in advance to be "worth publishing"? It's difficult to believe that Bev Harris and weekly Solid Energy encyclicals are "worth" it, while actual research by actual researchers is found lacking in your selection process; that isn't "disintermediated" so much as "disintermediated from reality". Upthread:

If they don't then thats sad for you.

That would be "that's", but that's what proofreaders are for. Some editors are anal retentive about that stuff, but then most editors don't publish "raw" press releases (unfiltered and uncensored flak!) as a futuristic shortcut through that boring fact-checking business which doesn't work half the time anyway. Maybe this really is "new wave" journalism, like the time you published an apparent pseudonym interviewing a second pseudonym:

* <guy in italics:> Your posts on DU are like no others. They are intense, complex, and require careful reading?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0512/S00242.htm

At least you got the punctuation right.

As for people's willingness to combat fascism in the full glare of public I can fully understand why people might want the protection of some form of anonymity in times like these.

By "some form of anonymity" do you mean a pseudonym? (is "A. Thompson" your name or are you combating fascism as well?) Or were you referring to Otto Rank and Professor Sludge?

1. Stuff.co.nz removes all their website stories after a few weeks - thats normal.

If that were true, I suspect this page wouldn't exist. And yet, all of the 4 month old Solid Energy spin remains on your site. Is that also normal, among websites courting an audience from left-leaning websites? If it were me, I wouldn't keep known propaganda archived on my site in perpetuity, but then my client list wouldn't include "Public Relations agencies, Government Agencies, Foreign Government Missions, Energy Companies" if my life depended on it.

if you actually email the "Save Happy Valley Coalition" and ask them about Scoop you will find they have a fairly favourable view of us on account of the fact that we are the most free media in NZ

Say, weren't they infiltrated by Solid Energy? ("Free" in the sense of "no charge", or the freedom to reject certain points of view while maintaining the illusion of neutrality lest questions arise concerning your relationship with "your clients", of which energy companies are specifically enumerated? (source: http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:kgP3H23GjbUJ:www.prinz.org.nz/site/WebResources.nsf/ee6188e00b9154c74c256893005530c2/82dfca37137ccd14cc256e6d001af41b/%24FILE/Introduction%2520to%2520NewsAgent%2520Scoop.co.nz.doc+scoop.co.nz+%22energy+companies%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us))

Hope you had a pleasant non labor day weekend, as you guys call it. I look forward to hearing more about this new media convergence between fiction-writing, giving voice to downtrodden energy companies who spy on lefty organizations (no need to spy when you throw open your front door and roll out the red carpet), and empowering black armbanders and conspiracy theorists in a country you don't inhabit.

[wildbilln864]

57. kick! n/t

[Trillo]

67. This is exactly the kind of action

that the corporatist won't ignore. I sincerely hope it is wildly successful!

[Marrah_G]

70. I'm taking the little cash I can spare and go to DC on the 15th of Sept.

I'll be working on the 11th just like every other Tuesday unless I'm dead or in the hospital!

No rest for the wicked, I tell ya!

[L. Coyote]

77. OR, this could be intended to deflate Sept. 15!!

[autorank]

115. Clearly, You are the deflation factor here.

There are many actions planned this month. What? You don't think that there are enough
Americans to go around.

This is deflation. Thanks for raising the issue. You should look in the mirror.

[L. Coyote]

71. STILL WAITING: Who is behind this? Are Americans doing this?

I expect more from online journalism than this piece delivers.

Question re; "The 911 General Strike called by a coalition of antiwar, 911 Truth, and pro impeachment groups"

WHO are these groups calling a strike?
Or is someone just saying this for effect?

With Internet anonymity, anyone could be behind this website.

Who is it? What are their motives? How do you know it is not Osama if they won't identify themselves?

[Poll_Blind]

74. Wow, you're really concerned that OSAMA MAY BE BEHIND IT?

Hunh, okay. Sounds like more of the cornball gatekeeping that goes on here left and right.

Maybe people shouldn't consider joining a strike unless you say it's okay. Okay?

PB

[L. Coyote]

75. About as concerned as I am that Osama directed the Chicago Riots in 1968. Get it!

I'm trying to make a point, and using Osama makes it best. A web domain appears four days ago and calls for a general strike. A reporter writes an article about it. The reporter posts it on a discussion group, I assume so we can discuss it. The report lacks in identifying WHO wants there to be a general strike. It is very ambiguous. The web site pointing to all the other 9/11 activites was just created, but seems to claim it is some sort of umbrella. I check the links to see who owns the domains involved and find a contributor to the Republican National Committee by the same name. I find other links supporting the possibility the Republican National Committee indication. Now, who exactly was behind the 1968 rioting at the Democratic Convention? Well, it wasn't Osama.

I ask questions and the reporter PM'ed telling me to not mess with "his thread."
I say, it is a DU thread and it is supposed to be a discussion, not.

I still await any further information on WHO wants to have a general strike.
I guess we could contact each of the organizations the website
mentions to see if they are involved, or just being linked to???
But, I expect the journalist to do that research for himself.

[Poll_Blind]

78. Well you are "messing with his thread". Not that it's against DU rules...

...to ask questions, but I have to say while the questions you bring up are questions which are reasonable, peppering the thread heavily with questions about the authenticity of the organization(s) behind it indicate that you have a POV (a Point Of View) that their is something fishy with the whole thing.

  Point here is that most people don't and unless you have some sort of evidence of a cabal, posting such questions is going to lead nowhere.

  DU members and (specifically certain moderators) have a history of gutting threads which are promoting marches or demonstrations. This is because most if not all organizations that put on marches are nearly as critical of the Democratic party as they are of the Republican party. To anyone who's been here for years, we've seen resistance to marches panned many times and, at least in my case, have become sensitive to the almost inevitable criticism which arises (like your flurry of posts) when marching/striking is just about the only thing we can do that'll make the papers.

PB

[greyl]

88. This thread is for suckers to begin with. Authentic progressives are not organizing this event.

It's a publicity stunt to increase the profits of a loose group of thoroughly dishonest capitalists who are targeting a gullible niche.

[althecat]

100. .. what a mindlessly stupid suggestion.... since when are you the arbiter on who is "authentic"

"dishonest capitalists"

Talk about clutching at straws. Assuming as you must that this is primarily the work of 911 truthers.... which ones of these are dishonest capitalists exactly?

And who annointed you arbiter of who is an authentic progressive and who is not?

[L. Coyote]

103. Why assume anything. First get the facts. Fact 1. Organizer? is a secret. Fact 2.

Domain registered 3 days before the article by secret person(s).

[althecat]

108. Fact 1 yes... Fact 2.. not so clear

Fact 1. Yes the organisers behind 911strike are intentionally anonymous. However they have been interviewed by someone (see newsvine link)therefore they are not exactly unreachable.

Fact 2. The website has been around for quite a bit longer than three days. The registration details you point to show nothing other than what we have seen in Fact 1. The organisers want to remain anonymous and have explained why.

With regards to the RNC Connection - via the registrayion to Actindependent.org - What exactly is the connection between that and this call for a general strike. Or is that just someone who is supporting the call. If the later then it is just one website in several thousands where the call has "struck a chord" and doesn't really prove or mean anything.

[autorank]

120. The Scoop article on the 13th had this link. They changed to a private registraiton.

Probably becasue of people like you.

You knew this, you can see it in the scoop article, the link to the very same site, it was re registered.

Stop with the 3 day crap. What is your major malfunction L.Coyote?

Look below. See the date "13 August 2007 10:39pm" That's more than 3 days ago. That means it was already
up and people were using it. They chose to move vendors, perhaps due to more traffic or whatever,
and now it's at a new ISP.

What's your problem?

Didn't you do your research and look at the
previous article?

What kind of "posterism" on your part is this anyway?

You may come up with a conspiracy theory though...we posted the article on August 13th but put in a phantom web site that nobody could link to...all part of some huge :tinfoil: deal, right? Oh, my, this is getting deep. "Three days ago"...that's what you said, and now proof that your claim is
spurious because THE WEB SITE WAS REGISTERED 19 DAYS AGO...you're WRONG.

Appologize!

Write your own articles

Stop acting like everyone else has to do your work for you.

[autorank]

116. Why don't you do some online journalism L.Coyote?

You seem to show up and gripe all the time.

Do some yourself.

Oh, but that might open you to criticism.

Go ahead, write a piece on this topic, get some information, interview some people.

Lets see what you come up with.

[L. Coyote]

79. HEY,"unless you have some sort of evidence of a cabal" is what was said when I questioned 2004.

"unless you have some sort of evidence of a cabal" is not exactly my criteria for whether or not to question an article. Must I really iterate all the things I consider flags? Or can we just get one question answered first. Who is doing this? Maybe more than one question, but more later.

[Poll_Blind]

81. Kick! n/t

PB

[L. Coyote]

83. PM from Autorank

From: autorank
Date: Aug-30-07 09:00 PM

I find you highly offensive. Self promotion? Hardly, I use a pseudonym and have no interest in self promotion. If people like it fine. I'm favorable about the general strike, but that's my opinion, as it was clearly labeled. The issue isn't who is behind it, anybody who shows up is and if people go to the actindependent.org events, those people are clearly labeled. The strike911 people are known in the 911 truth community and http://www.truthmove.org/forum/profile/3 that's their site. The issue isn't their site, it's weather the public takes this or some other time or no time to express their sentiments through direct actions. The self promotion here is yours. Do you own threads, get your own discussions going. You self promote by showing up and causing a minor rukus on mine. You're like a stalker. I do not plan to communicate with you by PM or email again. I want you to respect my wish - do not contact me by PM or email again.

[Poll_Blind]

85. Is there anything you WON'T do to try to disrupt this thread? n/t

PB

[L. Coyote]

90. YES, I won't create fake news. But, I will research the truth and expect answers.

[althecat]

99. Some answers.... INTERVIEW WITH ORGANISER...

Dear L. Coyote,

See... INTERVIEW WITH ORGANISER...
http://celestina.newsvine.com/_news/2007/08/29/929845-general-strike-911-organizers-talk-about-protest

C: How did this idea get started? Who came up with it, what were the circumstances, and what is your history with organized protest?

S: The idea was hatched out of talks between a small group (4 or 5 people) of activist friends in New York and DC. While we came up with idea, we are very committed to the viral and decentralized nature of this action. The way it initially spread on the internet was completely organic; we didn't try to push it at all. The themes are certainly too big for any one person or organization to claim as their own. So we do not want to be seen as the leaders of this action and we would like to remain outwardly anonymous in this process.

All of us have been politically active in the last 5-6 years, focused mostly on the same issues that are addressed with the Strike. We've been involved with the Iraq War protests of 2003, the RNC protests, the 2004 inauguration, and many other events.

C: Are you surprised at all by how your movement has picked up steam? Has it made you reconsider or reorganize in any way?

S: We are very surprised at how quickly this action has generated interest. The website has received hits from every state in the U.S. and from 120 countries. Our initial strategy going in may have something to do with the attention this particular action has received. Before putting up the site we decided that taking the opportunity to promote our own projects would detract from the perception of this action being truly popular. A certain degree of humility is required when addressing issues of national and global significance. We also decided to take great care in selecting the links and associations presented, in order to maintain the general scope of the site. We have not included anything we felt would greatly narrow the appeal of the action.

The interest has not caused us to change our strategy as much as it has reinforced our perception that people are ready for this kind of unified action. As mainstream channels of dissent are not functioning, people are looking for other means to express their dissatisfaction.

*****

So probably not what you want as in no actual name - but a fairly clear steer on who is organising it - 4-5 NYC activists...

*****

& Then given the fact that the coordination page for action is hosted here - you have another hint.

http://www.911truth.org/pages/91107Events.html

then I think you can be fairly sure that the initiative to organise this action came from inside the 911 Truth movement - specfically where it is probably strongest in NYC.

Now I know - from your posts above - that you personally think that 911 truthers are nuts. But to be fair that is just your opinion. Others are entitled to disagree. And to call them traitors or making up fake news or all the other garbage in this thread is pretty damn silly.

The above reasoning would have been blindingly obvious to anyone who actually wanted to know.

[foo_bar]

94. "Self promotion? Hardly, I use a pseudonym... If people like it[,] fine"

In related news: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x481512#481555

[autorank]

124. L.Coyote, They're called PM's because they're Private Messages - you did not have permission to post

this to the board.

You're breaking the rules and you obviously have no respect for privacy, obviously invoking the Bork doctrine that there is no inherent right to privacy. Apologize, L.Coyote, for posting a private message and disrespecting a senders right, well presumed anyway, to privacy.

[rinsd]

86. Fake general strike gains fake momentum.

Their facebook and myspace friends list are laughable.

[greyl]

87. No. LaRouchies, Webster Tarpley, and the Loose Change lying liars?

No thanks.

[Kurovski]

92. Kick. (nt)

[althecat]

95. This really is getting rather silly L. Coyote et al.

If you want to know who has organised the nationwide push send em an email if they respond great. If they don't then thats sad for you. As for each of the constituent actions most of those do have names and groups attached to them. If you want to know who they think they are working with ask them.

As far as I know the strike was originally organised by the 911 truthies and then expanded a bit as others hopped on the band wagon and the general need for some kind of action emerged in the wake of the Democratic Congress's approval of illegal wire tapping.

As for people's willingness to combat fascism in the full glare of public I can fully understand why people might want the protection of some form of anonymity in times like these. Do you?

Anyway...

As I said this is all getting rather silly.

[L. Coyote]

101. WHO? Why not answer the questions? Is there an RNC connection or not?

[althecat]

104. I wouldn't have a clue...

Seems highly unlikely - since when has the RNC been promoting the 911 truth movement?

[L. Coyote]

106. This isn't that "movement" if such exists. It is a call for a National Strike that

links to other web sites. Who is calling for a national strike?

[althecat]

107. This is where the call came from...

http://www.911truth.org/pages/91107Events.html

The 911strike website is created (I think) by a subset of the people and organisations listed at the above link.

I suspect the organisers were unaware of the 1968 Chicago precedent that you refer to above.

The call for a "general strike" is intended IMHO to "strike a chord" it is clearly not a real call for a general strike. If it were it would involve unions. It doesn't.

[althecat]

109. I have answered it repeatedly... and your repeated asking of it....

... gives you no credit. Instead it simply appears to be a deliberate attempt to smear the work of some people who do not IMHO deserve to be attacked in such a manner.

ANSWER: What RNC connection? I do not know for a fact that this is not an RNC black operation - however it does seem extremely unlikely. More likely the enthusiastic work of some authentic progressives.

[autorank]

113. What's your gig? Are you trying to discourage protest against Bush.

[autorank]

117. An RNC connection with who? You?

[Freddie Stubbs]

131. How is the RNC connected to it?

:shrug:

[althecat]

133. They aren't

[dogday]

96. You article is getting attention...

Did not know if you have seen this article yet?

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/


Keep up the great work!!

[autorank]

118. Thanks dogday. I hadn't seen that yet.

Looks like a good blog.

Greeat cat;)

[vanlassie]

98. K &R n/t

[yurbud]

119. kicking it back to the top of the pile

[Omphaloskepsis]

126. How about this...

Tell your boss to go fuck off. Grow a pair and go camp out on the streets of D.C. until things change. That would cause you discomfort and it might be hard to get a WiFi connection to upload pictures to Flickr so you can post a link to your friends and brag about how awesome and radical you are.

These weak protest are complete shit. Most people want to get home as fast as possible so they can be the first to post pictures here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution

[truedelphi]

128. May I repeat a refrain off Peace Patriot's remarks

Suggestions ON THIS BOARD (my edit), aimed at headbashing and chaos, are made to order for the war profiteering corporate news monopolies. Whatever the rules, negotiated by protest leaders, STICK TO THE RULES. This does not mean that an individual of conscience should not break the law, in the sunshine, and take responsibility for it, in the Gandhian way. But such people NEVER endanger others unnecessarily, and NEVER encourage riot and mayhem, by inciting a CROWD of unprepared people to suddenly veer off into a confrontation.

Use your common sense. Use your heart. These great qualities of the true leftist--advocate of the people, advocate of democracy, humanist and peacemaker in the great tradition of the Enlightenment--will tell you what is right to do, what is honest and pure-hearted, and what promotes the general good.

My additional comment: It is the time of all good people to take to the streets and offer their energies to oppose the wrong way and to return us to the right way.

[althecat]

129. Well said...

[dorkulon]

130. I'm all for a gneral strike, but

I'm not with the 9/11 truth horse-shit.

[Freddie Stubbs]

135. I suspect that is one of the reasons none of the Presidential candidates are supporting this

[HCE SuiGeneris]

132. Can no longer Rec., but I'll kick this

right back up where it belongs.

:kick: :dem: :kick: