BAE = WAR PROFITEERS

[seemslikeadream]

BAE brings in a pair of Army contracts


http://www.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2007/08/27/daily5.html

A New Hampshire-based defense contractor reports it has won an $8 million federal research grant to develop a power amplifier for the U.S. Army.

A Merrimack, N.H., BAE Systems Inc. site is scheduled to develop a 160-watt gallium nitride amplifier to power communications and radar systems. The grant was awarded to BAE by the Defense Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for the U.S. Army Communications-Electronics Research, Development and Engineering Center, based in Fort Monmouth, N.J. BAE is expected to share the grant with Virginia-based materials science company Rohm and Haas Co. and the University of Colorado.


In a separate development, a Massachusetts-based unit of BAE reports it plans to develop night vision goggles for the U.S. Army for an undisclosed contract amount. The Program Executive Office Solider, based at Fort Belvoir, Va., commissioned the work, according to company officials.

BAE Systems Inc. is the U.S. subsidiary of United Kingdom-based BAE Systems PLC. BAE Systems Inc. is headquartered in Rockville, Md. BAE Systems Information & Electronic Systems Integration Inc., a business unit of BAE Systems, is based in Nashua, N.H. BAE Systems PLC employs 88,000 workers worldwide and reported 2006 annual sales of $25 billion. The largest North American BAE operating group is the Electronics & Integrated Solutions group.


BAE already has an order from India for 66 BAE Hawk trainers, 42 of which are being built there.
Posted by seemslikeadream on Wed Aug-29-07 06:07 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aIVNGXZDbsww&refer=india

BAE Systems to Develop Enhanced Night-Vision Goggle For U.S. Army


http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070827005480&newsLang=en


LEXINGTON, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--BAE Systems will design and develop a digitally enhanced night-vision goggle as part of the U.S. Army’s Enhanced Night Vision Goggle program. This next-generation goggle will use digital imagery to improve soldier mobility and situational awareness under all lighting conditions and in the presence of battlefield obscurants.

The helmet-mounted goggle will digitally combine video imagery from a low-light-level visible sensor and an uncooled long-wave infrared sensor on a single color display located in front of the soldier's eye. This digital technology will provide improved image quality and will enable imagery to be shared among soldiers, improving platoon effectiveness.

“This program will demonstrate the maturity and effectiveness of digital fusion technology and its benefit to the warfighter,” said Margaret Kohin, Advanced Systems program director for BAE Systems in Lexington, Massachusetts. “Applying innovative technology to help our soldiers complete their missions is an objective BAE Systems stands behind every day.”

The contract is managed by the Program Executive Office Soldier at Fort Belvoir, Virginia.

BAE Systems will incorporate its uncooled MicroIR® microbolometer sensor technology in the enhanced goggle. This technology also is used in the thermal weapon sights the company supplies to the Army. BAE Systems has two microbolometer foundries and has delivered more than 50,000 microbolometer-based imagers to date.

About BAE Systems

BAE Systems is the premier global defense and aerospace company, delivering a full range of products and services for air, land, and naval forces, as well as advanced electronics, information technology solutions and customer support services. BAE Systems, with 96,000 employees worldwide, had 2006 sales that exceeded $27 billion on a pro forma basis, assuming BAE Systems had owned Armor Holdings Inc. for the whole of 2006.

1692661, $519 million deal to supply the U.S. military with 1,170 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles

http://www.thestreet.com/s/merger-bolsters-bae/newsanalysis/general/10375090.html?puc=googlefi

OKLAHOMA CITY -- With its huge buyout of Armor Holdings, U.K. defense contractor BAE Systems (BAESY - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr) may have very well gotten more than its money's worth.

Notably, just weeks before that transaction closed, Armor landed a surprise $519 million deal to supply the U.S. military with 1,170 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles. With similar MRAP business of its own, BAE has suddenly burst forward as a new leader in the multibillion-dollar MRAP game.

This story is the fourth installment in TheStreet.com's five-part series examining the top players in the multibillion-dollar MRAP bidding.

"In 2007 to date, BAE plus AH have captured ... No. 1 market share -- ahead of Force Protection (FRPT - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr) and International Military and Government," a unit of Navistar (NAVZ - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr), noted JPMorgan analyst Harry Breach, whose firm has investment banking ties to BAE. Moreover, "we believe that further MRAP awards are likely later this year."

BAE demos DSL-esque military radio protocol
Posted by seemslikeadream on Wed Aug-29-07 06:13 PM

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/20/bae_dsl_via_link_16 /

According to BAE, "the demonstration included Internet Protocol (IP) connectivity, Voice over IP, mobile ad-hoc networking, streaming video, and imagery."

The share price of BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence company, has risen 225 per cent.


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article2337229.ece

Symon Hill, a spokesman for the Campaign Against Arms Trade, said: “We think that most of the British public will object to the idea that these companies are profiting from war. While Iraqi civilians and British soldiers are dying, there are companies profiting from it.”

Accusations of making money from war are seen as unfair by the businessmen who run Britain’s defence industry. While the industry in the United States is loaded with former generals and admirals, British executives tend to be engineers or entrepreneurs. They are not career soldiers and get frustrated when they are presented as warmongers.

Revealed: official passes that give BAE access to the top at the MoD



http://www.guardian.co.uk/baefiles/story/0,,2149644,00.html

Incestuous' relationship must end, says MP
Lobbyist among 38 given free access to ministry

Rob Evans and David Leigh
Thursday August 16, 2007
The Guardian


The Ministry of Defence has given security passes to 38 employees of the arms giant BAE, allowing them to go in and out of the ministry's headquarters as they please, it has been revealed.
The disclosure has triggered accusations that the relationship between the MoD and BAE is too close and allows the arms company to exert too much political influence over the government. The MoD is refusing to disclose the names of the BAE employees with the official passes, or why they were given them, saying the information would breach their privacy and security. However, it is known that one has been held by BAE's chief lobbyist, Julian Scopes. The pass gave him access to the top levels of the ministry, enabling him to lobby ministers and senior officials and promote BAE's commercial interests.

BAE - $368 million to build and refurbish naval weapon systems,


http://www.epicos.com/epicos/portal/media-type/html/user/anon/page/default.psml/js_panename/News+Information+Article+View ;jsessionid=1DC948DE7A201E05F88DA8A5F1D73E43.tomcat2?articleid=81859&showfull=false


BAE Systems Receives Navy Basic Ordering Agreement for Weapons and Support Services
(2007-08-24)
By: Copyright Business Wire 2007 , Business Wire

BAE Systems has received a Basic Ordering Agreement (BOA) from the U.S. Navy for up to $368 million to build and refurbish naval weapon systems, and provide support services over the next five years. Potential orders received under this BOA are expected later this year and will be carried out by BAE Systems' facilities in Minneapolis and Louisville.

"This agreement will give us the opportunity to continue to serve the U.S. Navy and provide our sailors with critical naval weapon systems and support services," said Dennis Morris, BAE Systems' president of Armament Systems.

The BOA covers a wide range of BAE Systems' programs including the transition of production of the Mk 110 57mm naval gun system; the overhaul, manufacture and upgrade of the Mk 45 5-inch naval gun for the Cruiser Modernization program, the Mk 75 76mm gun mount, the Mk 42 extended range guided missile handling mechanism, the Mk 32 surface vessel torpedo tubes (SVTT), and the Mk 36/53 decoy launcher systems (DLS); the manufacture of gun barrels; the overhaul of turbine pump ejection systems (TPES); and work associated with minor caliber guns.

"This BOA demonstrates to us that our employees have been successful in meeting the customer's needs -- and that's our priority - delivering solutions on time and on budget," said Morris.


BAE wins $8m US defense contract to develop GaN amplifier ELECTRONIC WARFARE

http://www.semiconductor-today.com/news_items/NEWS_2007/AUG_07/BAE_230807.htm

BAE wins $8m US defense contract to develop GaN amplifier
UK-based aerospace and defense contractor BAE Systems says that its Electronics & Integrated Solutions (E&IS) business in Merrimack, NH, USA has been awarded an $8m contract from the US Army Communications-Electronics Command to develop a 160 Watt gallium nitride power amplifier for communications, electronic warfare, and radar applications. Partnering BAE Systems on the program are materials supplier Rohm and Haas of Blacksburg, VI, USA and the University of Colorado.

The solid-state technology will replace the older traveling-wave vacuum tubes that are currently used to produce high-power radio frequency signals, and are intended to aid warfighters by more effectively disrupting enemy communications and radar signals, while protecting friendly communications.

“DARPA has identified BAE Systems’ GaN technology as an important material for future military applications in electronic warfare, radar, and air-to-ground, air-to-satellite, and ground-to-ground communications systems,” says Dr John Evans, the manager for DARPA’s Disruptive Manufacturing Technology program (through which it solicits proposals to reduce cost and time for production of military components). BAE Systems was chosen from among 40 bidders.

“Using this technology, we can develop systems that are significantly less expensive, more reliable, and lower in weight,” says Tony Immorlica, program manager of microwave device programs at BAE Systems. The first prototypes could be deployed by the end of the decade

Cannon for the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems (FCS) program


http://digital50.com/news/items/BW/2001/07/14/20070822005666/bae-systems-congressional-community-and-army-leaders-celebrate-inauguration-of-elgi.html

BAE Systems, Congressional, Community and Army Leaders Celebrate Inauguration of Elgin Site
ELGIN, Okla.-(Business Wire)-August 22, 2007 - BAE Systems held a special inaugural ceremony in Elgin, Oklahoma to initiate work on BAE Systems - Elgin Operations, a 150,000 square-foot facility. The BAE Systems - Elgin Operations facility will be built by the city of Elgin in the Ft. Sill Industrial Park, and is scheduled to open in early 2009. Work at the new facility will initially focus on production integration and assembly of the Non-Line-of-Sight (NLOS) Cannon for the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems (FCS) program.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. All these tools are necessary to take out a few thousand

terrorists, who would have thought... or is it necessary to promote and prolong illegal wars in faraway lands.

[DCKit]

48. No, they're necessary to fill the coffers at BAE.

You can never have enough technology when you're dealing with cavemen and those who dwell in mud-brick huts.

The simple fact is that these types of guerrilla wars are unwinnable by conventional means - at least that's what we taught Osama in Afghanistan and the whole point behind arming the insurgency against the Russians. Didn't THAT turn out well?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

52. Kinda reminds me of some of the stuff that went on in

Star Wars.

[Name removed]

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[berni_mccoy]

9. Now THAT is FUNNY!

I'll have to remember that pic! Bookmarked just for that.

[seemslikeadream]

12. Is there a reason to laugh at war profiteers making money off of the dead soldiers?

[seemslikeadream]

19. Make fun of making money off of dead iraqis and American soldiers

What do you own stock in BAE?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. Nope.

:popcorn:

[seemslikeadream]

27. Could have fooled me

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Does that happen a lot?

[seemslikeadream]

29. I don't know how often do you support WAR PROFITEERS?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Never.

How often do you eat popcorn?

[stop the bleeding]

3. 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

:popcorn: :patriot:

[The Magistrate]

4. They Do Seem To Be Raking It In, Ma'am....

[seemslikeadream]

5. Yes they are

Is the popcorn appropriate SIR? For a discussion about war profiteers?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. I see you're not refuting my popcorn.

Especially considering they're in league with the Carlyle Group.

http://www.ukbusinesspark.co.uk/cas77537.htm

"Cadbury Schweppes is to acquire Carlyle Group's 53% stake in the US-based Dr Pepper Seven Up Bottling Group for £198m, and will also acquire the All American Bottling Company for £36m."

[seemslikeadream]

8. making a joke out of the deaths of our soldiers while these vultures

profit from it is wrong in my opinion but whatever makes you smile I guess you have that right

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Well god damn.

I must have written a dozen responses to this post involving everything from Free Masons to dead troops to Cadbury Creme Cocks. But no reply I could think of would do it justice. I'm speechless.

[The Magistrate]

11. It Would Be Pleasaznt, Sir

To see a serious topic seriously discussed.

Snacks are often a pleasant accompaniment, though....

[seemslikeadream]

13. So do you find this discussion amusing Sir, entertaining perhaps?

[The Magistrate]

14. My Ideas Of Amusement, Ma'am, Curdle The Souls Of the Unwary

But we both know there is no accounting for tastes....

"People are fucking people, and that it is fucked up."

[seemslikeadream]

15. You really didn't answer my question Sir

I would like to know if you find it laughable that our soldiers are dying while this company is profiting from the war in Iraq

[The Magistrate]

18. My Purpose In Posting A Reply, Ma'am, To Your O.P.

Was to make some contribution to keeping this thread focused on the expose of B.A.E. you intend, which we agree is a topic deserving further exposure.

[seemslikeadream]

22. Then why do you leave that crap popcorn post up?

[bobthedrummer]

34. Your contributions to this thread are questionable when they go beyond that.

BAE corruption has been discussed for six years here in many contexts. This thread is doing that.

[The Magistrate]

35. Do, Sir, Please, Elaborate

Anyone can read my comments here and judge the matter without guiding comment by me, but it would be interesting to know what you think you see....

[bobthedrummer]

39. Nah, but PM me Sir if you wish.

[Name removed]

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[A HERETIC I AM]

7. NIGHT VISION GOGGLES, AN AMPLIFIER AND UPGRADING OLDER WEAPONS?! THOSE BASTARDS!

When will it ever stop?!

Imagine. A military contractor and weapons maker receiving military contracts and making weapons!

Who would have thought they could be so horrible?

Do I need it? Hmmmmm...

well, ok, what the hell...

:sarcasm:

[Name removed]

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[sanskritwarrior]

49. I agree

the horror of a company making a product that keeps people in America employed and food on their tables..........The humanity of profit for product............. :eyes:

[seemslikeadream]

54. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BAE

Just admit it sanskritwarrior. You don't want to know anything about BAE. Why post in this thread if you didn't read the OP?

[northzax]

84. BAE Is a military contractor

they make stuff for the military. Of course they get contracts to make stuff for the military, it's their entire purpose. are they war profiteers? of course, THEY MANUFACTURE AND SELL WEAPONS SYSTEMS. This is like saying that Smith and Wesson is a war profiteer, or the Electric Boat Company, or Lockheed. they make weapons and weapons systems, of course they make money during wartime, it's what they do.

[seemslikeadream]

55. Watch these you may learn something

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iuFyWX3Rz8

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jIPMQSpiiE

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dclFejuvrwg

An exclusive interview with one of Britain's leading investigative journalists and a former insider, the Trail of the Dove reveals the extent of surcharges, commissions and the $100 millon secret fund used by the UK's leading arms firm, BAE Systems, to grease the wheels of the biggest arms deals in British history.

Al-Yamamah 'The Dove' is the name of a series of massive arms sales by the United Kingdom to Saudi Arabia. It is Britain's largest ever export agreement, and the prime contractor has been BAE Systems and its predecessor British Aerospace, which earned £43 billion in 20 years.

Both the UK's National Audit Office (report never released) and The Serious Fraud Office (halted) conducted investigations into corruption allegations. Trail of the Dove has also had access to ministry of defence secret documents and ambassadorial official correspondence that shows the level of corruption in the British arms trade.


New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tibaAAS5Zk

New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMnIBMm9HBQ

New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEwJ72VCrzI

NOW WE KNOW WHY:- Tony Blair has defended the government's decision to halt the Serious Fraud Office's (SFO) investigation into alleged bribery surrounding BAE Systems' contracts with Saudi Arabia.

The prime minister told the House of Commons continuing the investigation would have damaged the UK's relationship with Saudi Arabia.

However, he refuted allegations the attorney general Lord Goldsmith had attempted to block a subsequent Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) investigation as "completely and totally unfair and wrong".

It had been alleged Lord Goldsmith had warned officials not to disclose information to the OECD investigation.

Quizzed in prime minister's questions, Mr Blair defended the decision not to pursue an inquiry.

He said: "First of all these allegations are strenuously denied by the Saudi royal family, secondly if we were then going to conduct an investigation then that might last two, three years into these allegations that frankly I think would lead absolutely nowhere.

"What it would lead to is the complete wreckage of a relationship that is of fundamental importance of the security of this country, to the state of the Middle East, and to our relationship with countries in the Middle East."

Mr Blair continued: "I was asked for my advice as to what damage this investigation would do if it continued. I gave that advice because of the huge importance of working with Saudi Arabia on the Middle East peace process, on counter-terrorism, on the situation in the Middle East.

"I stick by that, and the idea frankly that such an investigation could be conducted without doing damage to our relationship is cloud cuckoo land, which after all is the natural habitat of the Liberal Democrats."

The Liberal Democrats have called on Mr Blair to confirm what he knew about the alleged bribery and when -- noting that bribery of a foreign official became illegal in 2002.

Since 1985, BAE Systems has signed £43 billion worth of arms contract with Saudi Arabia. But it was alleged these were agreed in return for payments totalling £1 billion to Prince Bander.

The government halted a SFO investigation in December 2006 and the case has since been investigated by the OECD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWwdJpJkyKg



Former Saudi Ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar bin Sultan received hundreds of millions of pounds in secret payments from Britain's top defence manufacturer with the knowledge of Prime Minister Tony Blair's government, according to the BBC.
The payments made by BAE Systems were actually a conduit to Bandar for his role in the multi-billion al-Yamamah arms agreement, Britain's biggest ever export deal signed in 1985, the state-funded broadcaster said it had learned Thursday.
The alleged bribes were said to have been discovered during a year-long inquiry conducted by Britain's Serious Fraud Office (SFO), but which was abruptly halted last December after Blair said the investigation was a threat to national security.
The dropping of the investigation also came amid concerns that it might jeopardize a new multi-billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia to supply Eurofighters.
The BBC said that the payments, believed to total more than Pnds one billion (Dlrs 1.9 bn), were sent to two Saudi embassy accounts in Washington, were written into the government-to-government arms deal contract in secret annexes.
Allegations previously made in the British press have also suggested that Mark Thatcher, son of the British prime minister at the time, was also involved in the deal.
The al-Yamamah deal included the supply of more than 100 Tornado aircraft and is estimated to have been worth over Pnds 40 billion (Dlrs 78 bn) over more than a decade.
The new claims, to be made in the BBC's current affairs Panorama programme next Monday prompted the head of parliament's committee which investigates strategic exports, Labour MP Roger Berry, to call for a proper investigation into the allegations.
Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman Vince Cable said that if ministers in either the present or previous governments were involved there should be a "major parliamentary inquiry".
"It is one thing for a company to have engaged in alleged corruption overseas. It is another thing if British government ministers have approved it," Cable said. (more) (less)

[sanskritwarrior]

57. I fail to see the problem here

a Defense contractor has a product, people want to buy it, in this case other nations.......I'm sorry but you are barking up the wrong tree if you think I have a problem with Defense Contractors. They provide most of the equipment that has kept me alive in Iraq, so I am a big fan of them and the work they do........And guess what? I still vote Big D every election............

[seemslikeadream]

59. You didn't watch the videos

:eyes:

[sanskritwarrior]

61. Actually I did

I still fail to see a problem with Defense contractors. My body armor was made by a contractor, my weapons was made by a contractor, my vehicle was as was my food.....Unless contractors were gunning Americans down themselves, I'm not real upset with them.

[seemslikeadream]

63. I guess you didn't drink any of that bad water or

washed with that contaminated water in Iraq from those friendly defence contractors

Halliburton allowed our troops in Iraq to shower, bathe, and sometimes brush their teeth with water that tested positive for e. coli and coliform bacteria. One expert has said that the troops would have been better off using the highly polluted Euphrates River. Halliburton has admitted that it lacked “an organizational structure to ensure that water was being treated in accordance with Army standards and its contractual requirements.” More…



5) Halliburton served the troops food that had spoiled or passed its expiration date. Halliburton managers ordered employees to remove bullets from food in trucks that had come under attack, then saved the bullets as souvenirs while giving the food to unwitting soldiers and Marines. More…
http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new2.cfm?doc_name=inv2

[sanskritwarrior]

71. LOL

everyone knows to only drink bottled and brush your teeth with bottled water........ You act like these things should be shocking to me and others, those of us in Iraq know the value of our lives and the kind of support we are getting. And yet we still get more support from Defense Contractors than some DUers give to me just because I am a soldier...

Again you act like I don't know these things, I am probably more aware of what Defense Contractors do than you are. .....I have written about it before on DU, when I make my 20 years (6 left) I might become one myself. After seeing what they do for this country and soldiers like me, it is definitely a job worth considering at least.

[northzax]

86. Halliburton

is not BAE, is it?

do you have any evidence that BAE has provided substandard services to the military? or not delivered on contracts they were paid for? I mean I've run workshops for the military, so technically, I have been a military contractor, will you paint me with the same brush as Halliburton?

[seemslikeadream]

87. sanskritwarrior tries very hard to confuse the issues

BAE = WAR PROFITEER watch the videos or READ a couple of the links

[sanskritwarrior]

96. LOL

BAE= company that makes weapons and puts food on the table, clothes on the backs, and medical care for the families of its 88,000 employees.........I'm not confusing anything, you seriously want these people to suffer because you don't like what they do.........Post whatever you want, I am defending people eating and having jobs, you are defending some ideological pissing contest.....

[seemslikeadream]

88. but since you asked here's just one example

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?view=BLOGDETAIL&grid=F11&blog=yourview&xml=/news/2006/05/15/ublview15.xml
It's a national scandal that the
question even has to be asked.
Posted by Perry on May 15, 2006 11:44 PM
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The problem is not money to buy helicopters/equipment, but procurement. The Defence Procurement Agency has to think of British jobs first, not what is good for our forces. Why else would we pay £30 million pounds per Aircraft for Apaches when we could have bought them straight from America for £13 million?. Save Westland jobs.
Why did we buy Merlin helicopters that can’t hover? When Max weight, when we could of bought a Chinook and Black Hawk for the same price per aircraft, why? So we can keep Westland afloat…
Why do we buy 12 Nimrod Mk4 to hunt submarines that cost £290 million per aircraft, when the initial cost was £100 million each for 24. Keep BAE…
Why do we need 230 Typhoon fighters? When we will only mothball half straight away, we will only have 7 Squadrons approx 100 aircraft. To save BAE jobs?
It’s all incompetence of the high ranks in the forces, MOD and government. Why spend 1 million wisely when you can spend 10 million and move on before it goes all wrong, they are never made accountable. Why else have we 8 Mk3 Chinooks sat doing nothing, when our troops need them in Afghanistan/Iraq?

[northzax]

101. well, there are only two products you list that are made by BAE

the Merlin is made by Westland. again, different company. And you know this is a UK discussion, right?

so what would you do, as BAE, if your largest customer (the british government) places an order to 230 Typhoon fighters? say "look chaps, we really appreciate it, but you only need a hundred of these, why pay for so many?" I don't know what you do for a living, but say your largest client comes to you and places an order, do you tell him "no, you don't need that much, just order half that, and you'll be fine"? of course not.

war profiteering, by definition, is raising the prices of goods during wartime to make an excess profit off the crisis. do you have any evidence that BAE, specifically BAE, is overcharging the US or UK government anymore during wartime than during peacetime?

or are you objecting to the entire military contracting industry in general?

[sanskritwarrior]

103. Yes she is

she also objects to soldiers following legal orders........

[seemslikeadream]

112. I have a problem with soldiers following illegal orders

[seemslikeadream]

89. maybe one more Counterfeit parts may hurt you

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:NrX3abZtDMwJ:aaq.auburn.edu/images/pres/AvoidingCounterfeitElectronicParts/Presentation25.ppt+BAE+has+provided+substandard+services+to+the+military%3F&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=26&gl=us
A Case Study


GIDEP Alert J5-A-07-01 (12/5/2006)
BAE Systems expected to receive 5962-8768401QA with the QP Semiconductor manufacturer identification mark.
BAE Systems received parts marked with Part Identifying Number (PIN)
5962-8768401QA, the Philips Semiconductor manufacturer identification and
date code 0336.
Philips Semiconductor discontinued producing all military grade products in 1997.
Part marking did not include a country of origin mark required by MIL-PRF-38535.
Parts contained die manufactured by Intel marked 1980.


BAE Systems purchased these parts from …
Port Electronics Corp … who purchased them from …
Aapex International Inc … who purchased them from …
Newkoda (H.K.) Electronics Co … who purchased them from …
Chao Yang Hualian Electronic Co … who purchased them from …
… ? …

[northzax]

91. so wait a minute

BAE recieved counterfeit electronics from a subcontractor (happens all the time, look inside your computer, anything aftermarket? 1 in 4 chance says it is counterfeit) and then used these parts in a system shipped to the military?

oh wait, no, they didn't use these parts, instead they reported them in a powerpoint presentation available on the web. wow, how devious of them! read the powerpoint again, BAE didn't use the counterfeit parts, they traced where they came from. Or do you have a link that shows that BAE used these parts in a product, knowing they were counterfeit?

[seemslikeadream]

93. Since you refuse to read the links I have already posted

why should I continue to reply to your endless questions when they have already been answered here but you are too lazy to read

[sanskritwarrior]

97. Uh huh

thanks for demonstrating again what you think of the military and the people that arm, feed, clothe and equip them.......Why do you even pretend anymore? I don't get it

[seemslikeadream]

99. I don't like my brother drinking shit water from KBR

[sanskritwarrior]

105. That's his fault there are

thousands of bottles of water from many countries on every FOB in Iraq.......your bro apparently enjoyed drinking shit water if he did not know there was clean water 10 feet away. There are sheds built on every FOB every couple of hundred meters, these sheds have bottled water in them, that water is used so quickly by the soldiers that it us replaced every few weeks........I know I used to lead a detail to replace the water once a month, most battalions have this detail one day a month.......But hey keep flogging your ideological horse, it is entertaining.

[seemslikeadream]

114. Thanks for standing up for dirty water

[northzax]

106. KBR, not BAE

see how those are two different companies? You can call a pig a horse as much as you want, but it ain't never going to win the Kentucky Derby.

[northzax]

107. answered?

no, nothing about BAE and war profiteering. not one of your links talks about that. the closest you get is BAE probably selling weapons systems to Saudi Arabia because of kickbacks to Prince Bandar, that's not war profiteering, it's bribery.

did I miss something? seriously. if you have any evidence that BAE, in particular, was engaged in war profiteering (which is a specific term) then please point me to it, I am unaware of anything, and I follow the industry fairly closely, so I would like to know.

[seemslikeadream]

111. bullshit yes you did

[northzax]

125. so, the answer to 'please tell me what I missed'

is 'yes you did.' I see that further disussion is going to be futile, so I shall not waste my time. If you do find evidence of war profiteering at BAE, I would love to see it, so let us know.

[seemslikeadream]

128. When you put up some links to defend your crap

maybe

[northzax]

132. ok, here are my links

www.kbr.com
wqw.halliburton.com
www.blackwaterusa.com
www.bae.co.uk

see? different companies. that's been my entire point.

[seemslikeadream]

136. Different companies SAME DEAL WAR PROFITEERS

[sanskritwarrior]

155. Oh, ok

you said it so us peasants had better agree.............. :eyes:

[seemslikeadream]

116. Well when I got The Magistrate on my side

I figure it's a good day


The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-29-07 06:56 PM
Response to Original message
4. They Do Seem To Be Raking It In, Ma'am....

[Marr]

17. Let's Draft business FIRST.

If private citizens can be pressed into military service, then why not corporatations...? They claim personhood, after all. So why not simply Draft these corporations and make them devote their resources to producing what the war needs? Surely it's not about *profit*. I mean, Halliburton even has flags all over their marketing. They're clearly *very* patriotic.

[AikidoSoul]

20. SeemsLikeADream started a good thread

and it is being ruined by a few who for jollies like to neuter discussions.

Pretty sad to say the least... considering the importance of the topic.

Sorry SeemsLikeADream.....wish you better luck in future threads....

[seemslikeadream]

23. They have their agendas

I've seen it before

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Well my middle name does happen to be "Evil"

[seemslikeadream]

25. oh I thought it was deleted

[sanskritwarrior]

58. As do you.

As do you. At least my agenda is all about keeping American families employed by fine companies such as Lockheed Martin, L-3 Communications, BAE, and Northrop Gruman. You know the guys that make the weapons and protective equipment that keep me and other military personnel alive.....how dare they turn a profit you say........:eyes: You seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder to any soldier that does not automatically believe the war is illegal, any person that actually works for a Defense contractor because they believe it keeps their family safe as well as provide benefits to their family, and and anyone that doesn't buy into your B.S..........So yes, you like all of us have an agenda......At least I'm honest about mine.

[seemslikeadream]

60. BAE A FINE COMPANY

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[sanskritwarrior]

62. Interesting,

they make products that keep American soldiers alive.........That's pretty awesome in my book. I guess it's not so awesome to you. At least you are finally being honest.

[seemslikeadream]

66. Top Twenty Iraq Oversight Outrages Uncovered by the DPC

http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new2.cfm?doc_name=inv2

October 27, 2006

Top Twenty Iraq Oversight Outrages Uncovered by the DPC

Republicans in Congress Refuse to Demand Accountability in Iraq;
Billions of Dollars Wasted, Our Mission Undermined



Over the last three years, Senate Democratic Policy Committee (DPC) hearings have uncovered massive waste, fraud, and abuse relating to government contractors operating in Iraq. This report presents twenty of the worst oversight outrages, as documented in testimony and evidence presented at DPC hearings:



1) Halliburton billed taxpayers $1.4 billion in questionable and undocumented charges under its contract to supply troops in Iraq, as documented by the Pentagon’s own auditors. More…



2) Parsons billed taxpayers over $200 million under a contract to build 142 health clinics, yet completed fewer than 20. According to Iraqi officials, the rest were “imaginary clinics.” More…



3) Custer Battles stole forklifts from Iraq’s national airline, repainted them, then leased the forklifts back to the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) through a Cayman Islands shell company — charging an extra fee along the way. More…



4) Halliburton allowed our troops in Iraq to shower, bathe, and sometimes brush their teeth with water that tested positive for e. coli and coliform bacteria. One expert has said that the troops would have been better off using the highly polluted Euphrates River. Halliburton has admitted that it lacked “an organizational structure to ensure that water was being treated in accordance with Army standards and its contractual requirements.” More…



5) Halliburton served the troops food that had spoiled or passed its expiration date. Halliburton managers ordered employees to remove bullets from food in trucks that had come under attack, then saved the bullets as souvenirs while giving the food to unwitting soldiers and Marines. More…



6) Halliburton charged taxpayers for services that it never provided and tens of thousands of meals that it never served. More…



7) Halliburton double-charged taxpayers for $617,000 worth of soda. More…



8) Halliburton tripled the cost of hand towels, at taxpayer expense, by insisting on having its own embroidered logo on each towel. More…



9) Halliburton employees burned new trucks on the side of the road because they didn’t have the right wrench to change a tire — and knew that the trucks could be replaced on a profitable “cost-plus” basis, at taxpayer expense. More…



10) Halliburton employees dumped 50,000 pounds of nails in the desert because they ordered the wrong size, all at taxpayer expense. More…



11) Halliburton employees threw themselves a lavish Super Bowl Party, but passed the cost on to taxpayers by claiming they had purchased supplies for the troops. More…



12) Halliburton chose a subcontractor to build an ice factory in the desert even though its bid was 800 percent higher than an equally qualified bidder. More…



13) Halliburton actively discouraged cooperation with U.S. government auditors, sent one whistleblower into a combat zone to keep him away from auditors, and put another whistleblower under armed guard before kicking her out of the country. More…



14) Halliburton sent unarmed truck drivers into a known combat zone without warning them of the danger, resulting in the deaths of six truck drivers and two soldiers. Halliburton then offered to nominate the surviving truck drivers for a Defense Department medal — provided they sign a medical records release that doubled as a waiver of any right to seek legal recourse against the company. More…



15) Halliburton’s no-bid contract to rebuild Iraq’s oil infrastructure was the worst case of contract abuse that the top civilian at the Army Corps of Engineers had ever seen. She was demoted after speaking out. More…



16) Under its no-bid contract to rebuild Iraq’s oil infrastructure contract, Halliburton overcharged by over 600 percent for the delivery of fuel from Kuwait. More…



17) Halliburton failed to complete required work under its oil infrastructure work, leaving distribution points unusable. More…



18) Iraq under the CPA was like the “Wild West,” with few limits and controls over how inexperienced officials spent — and wasted — millions of taxpayer dollars. More…



19) Cronies at the CPA’s health office lacked experience, ignored the advice of international health professionals, failed to restore Iraq’s health systems, and wasted millions of taxpayer dollars. The political appointee who ran the office had never worked overseas and had no international public health experience. More…



20) Administration officials promoted construction of a “boondoggle” children’s hospital in Basra, which ended up more than a year behind schedule and at least 100 percent over budget. More…

[seemslikeadream]

67. Defense Contractors Gone Wild

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/41858/

The billions we're spending on the worthless F-22 fighter plane is just the latest taxpayer rip-off. When will the military-industrial complex get the smackdown it deserves? Tools
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There are small news stories, there are really small news stories, and then there is "Defense Institute Head Resigns," a little maggot of a news item that blipped into the "D" section of the Washington Post last Wednesday. 356 words in all, about half the length of an AP NFL game account, and the Post was the only paper in the country that ran the story. So how important could it have been?

Actually, the Post item about the resignation of Dennis C. Blair from the federally-funded Institute for Defense Analyses (IDA) spoke volumes about the utter insanity of the modern American media landscape. In a month when Katie Couric redefined the "scoop" as an advance glimpse of celebrity idiot-spawn Suri Cruise, and investigative journalism according to muckraking icon 60 Minutes meant sappy profiles of Howard Stern and Bill Romanowski, it made all the sense in the world that the denouement of a spectacular tale of massive government waste and fraud would go completely unnoticed by virtually the entire journalism community.

The name of Dennis C. Blair became somewhat infamous on the Hill this summer when he became wrapped up in a minor controversy surrounding appropriations for the F-22 Raptor jet fighter. Blair, a former Navy admiral who once headed the U.S. Pacific Command, was until last week the president of the IDA, a federally-funded non-profit research center which provides the government with "independent" analyses of weapons programs and defense legislation.

Earlier this year, the IDA had been asked by the Pentagon to assess the viability and potential cost of a three-year, $60-plus billion Multi-Year Procurement (MYP) of F-22 jets. The details here are complicated, but in essence the MYP proposed as an amendment to the Senate's 2007 Defense Authorization bill by Georgia's Saxby Chambliss would lock the government into a bulk purchase of three years' worth of F-22s, instead of the traditional yearly individual purchases.

[seemslikeadream]

68. IRAQ FOR SALE

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6621486727392146155&q=Iraq+for+Sale&total=352&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[sanskritwarrior]

69. I don't know what you are trying to prove

People with a rational mind and common sense understand that Defense Contractors fill a needed niche in this world. They make weapons and other tools of war that allows the United States military to kill its enemies more quickly, they make equipment and armor that saves military lives, and they make products that filter down into the civilian world in many fields like medicine, communication and others. People that shriek into the wind just to hear themselves rant attribute sheer evil to Defense Contractors. One can be a good Democrat and still understand that without Defense Contractors the ability of the US to wage war and kill its enemies would be severely diminished. Serious people understand the need for the BAE's of the world and celebrate the things they do for America.......

I will now wait for your personal attack on me or your claim that a dearmed America would be a good thing.

[seemslikeadream]

115. Thanks for keeping this thread kicked while I got some sleep

[sanskritwarrior]

157. I have to keep

showing people what you really are, so thank you for giving me all the ammunition I have ever needed.

[seemslikeadream]

160. You are so very delusional

but serve a useful purpose

[Pastiche423]

158. Why waste your time

responding to a keyboard warrior?

Thank you for your important thread, SLAD.

[seemslikeadream]

161. Thanks Pastiche423

While I look for more links I just come by and give him some grief, that only takes a second and keeps me amused. :hi:

[Pastiche423]

164. lol

As long as it keeps you amused, it is all good.

[stop the bleeding]

31. this thread has gotten completely out of hand

I knew it would be "explosive" for some sort of conversation/debate, but I was not expecting this.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. No one could have known this would happen.

Good thing we had all the popcorn.

[seemslikeadream]

33. WHY that is the question

Why a discussion of a war profiteering company who just in the last couple of months has gotten billions of dollars for war a topic of ridicule around here

WHY

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[stop the bleeding]

37. I can not say SLaD

I was expecting something a little different in the "heated debate" column.

This whole war was designed to keep the defense sector in business, war is great business for companies and the stock market. Don't get me wrong we have had some good inventions/medical techniques that have come out of war(s). But this one was all about the $$$$. Both of my parents are retired Army(mom officer Dad enlisted) and these families that have lost their blood over symbols for the NASDAQ, NYSE and AMEX are heavy on my mind daily along with the families in Iraq. These thought always provide perspective for my days when "things" are not going my way.

[AntiFascist]

40. I wonder what became of this...

"Kerry then demanded formal answers to six questions, about current and past U.S. government probes of BAE. Among the questions that must have sent Gonzales and Karl Rove both scrambling for cover: "Was the Attorney General's office, or any other office or official in the Department of Justice, ever contacted by any other officials, agencies or departments of the U.S. government, including the White House, concerning this matter? If so please list any and all such contacts."

The Kerry letter ended, "I look forward to a reply no later than June 30, 2007." "

[bobthedrummer]

47. Go ask "Alice" (see post 46)

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST

[seemslikeadream]

41. Trail of the Dove $100 millon secret fund

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 1

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 2

Al Jazeera: Trail of the Dove - Part 3

An exclusive interview with one of Britain's leading investigative journalists and a former insider, the Trail of the Dove reveals the extent of surcharges, commissions and the $100 millon secret fund used by the UK's leading arms firm, BAE Systems, to grease the wheels of the biggest arms deals in British history.

Al-Yamamah 'The Dove' is the name of a series of massive arms sales by the United Kingdom to Saudi Arabia. It is Britain's largest ever export agreement, and the prime contractor has been BAE Systems and its predecessor British Aerospace, which earned £43 billion in 20 years.

Both the UK's National Audit Office (report never released) and The Serious Fraud Office (halted) conducted investigations into corruption allegations. Trail of the Dove has also had access to ministry of defence secret documents and ambassadorial official correspondence that shows the level of corruption in the British arms trade.

[bobthedrummer]

42. "BAE faces criminal inquiry in US over #1bn payments to Saudi's Prince Bandar"

archived babylonsister thread (started 6-14-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1110367

Gee, what has the DoJ done about that with so many other things going on???

on edit: my keyboard doesn't have the English pound symbol only $, used "#" to represent it in subject-line one billion English pounds-that's almost $2bn today, chump change

[seemslikeadream]

43. UK bribery disgrace in trade with Saudi Arabia:

Translation really unnecessary


UK bribery disgrace in trade with Saudi Arabia:



Former Saudi Ambassador to the US, Prince Bandar bin Sultan received hundreds of millions of pounds in secret payments from Britain's top defence manufacturer with the knowledge of Prime Minister Tony Blair's government, according to the BBC.
The payments made by BAE Systems were actually a conduit to Bandar for his role in the multi-billion al-Yamamah arms agreement, Britain's biggest ever export deal signed in 1985, the state-funded broadcaster said it had learned Thursday.
The alleged bribes were said to have been discovered during a year-long inquiry conducted by Britain's Serious Fraud Office (SFO), but which was abruptly halted last December after Blair said the investigation was a threat to national security.
The dropping of the investigation also came amid concerns that it might jeopardize a new multi-billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia to supply Eurofighters.
The BBC said that the payments, believed to total more than Pnds one billion (Dlrs 1.9 bn), were sent to two Saudi embassy accounts in Washington, were written into the government-to-government arms deal contract in secret annexes.
Allegations previously made in the British press have also suggested that Mark Thatcher, son of the British prime minister at the time, was also involved in the deal.
The al-Yamamah deal included the supply of more than 100 Tornado aircraft and is estimated to have been worth over Pnds 40 billion (Dlrs 78 bn) over more than a decade.
The new claims, to be made in the BBC's current affairs Panorama programme next Monday prompted the head of parliament's committee which investigates strategic exports, Labour MP Roger Berry, to call for a proper investigation into the allegations.
Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman Vince Cable said that if ministers in either the present or previous governments were involved there should be a "major parliamentary inquiry".
"It is one thing for a company to have engaged in alleged corruption overseas. It is another thing if British government ministers have approved it," Cable said. (more) (less)

[bobthedrummer]

46. And if any such criminal investigation of BAE, Prince Bandar etc. is underway

it's the "decision" of Alice S. Fisher

"Alice S. Fisher is a criminal heading the Gonzales DoJ Criminal Division" (posted 6-20-2007)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1110367#1145941

[seemslikeadream]

44. New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail

New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 1

New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 2

New Labour - Old sleaze - Saudis and BAE blackmail Part 3

NOW WE KNOW WHY:- Tony Blair has defended the government's decision to halt the Serious Fraud Office's (SFO) investigation into alleged bribery surrounding BAE Systems' contracts with Saudi Arabia.

The prime minister told the House of Commons continuing the investigation would have damaged the UK's relationship with Saudi Arabia.

However, he refuted allegations the attorney general Lord Goldsmith had attempted to block a subsequent Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) investigation as "completely and totally unfair and wrong".

It had been alleged Lord Goldsmith had warned officials not to disclose information to the OECD investigation.

Quizzed in prime minister's questions, Mr Blair defended the decision not to pursue an inquiry.

He said: "First of all these allegations are strenuously denied by the Saudi royal family, secondly if we were then going to conduct an investigation then that might last two, three years into these allegations that frankly I think would lead absolutely nowhere.

"What it would lead to is the complete wreckage of a relationship that is of fundamental importance of the security of this country, to the state of the Middle East, and to our relationship with countries in the Middle East."

Mr Blair continued: "I was asked for my advice as to what damage this investigation would do if it continued. I gave that advice because of the huge importance of working with Saudi Arabia on the Middle East peace process, on counter-terrorism, on the situation in the Middle East.

"I stick by that, and the idea frankly that such an investigation could be conducted without doing damage to our relationship is cloud cuckoo land, which after all is the natural habitat of the Liberal Democrats."

The Liberal Democrats have called on Mr Blair to confirm what he knew about the alleged bribery and when -- noting that bribery of a foreign official became illegal in 2002.

Since 1985, BAE Systems has signed £43 billion worth of arms contract with Saudi Arabia. But it was alleged these were agreed in return for payments totalling £1 billion to Prince Bander.

The government halted a SFO investigation in December 2006 and the case has since been investigated by the OECD

[cui bono]

45. k & r

Too bad some people aren't taking this seriously. Sad.

[Desertrose]

50. K&R

Good one, Slad

:)DR

[dbt]

51. Another Kick & Recommendation, just to

keep this up-top where all the rational minds can get to it for serious discussion!

;)

[sanskritwarrior]

64. Yes

keep it kicked so the rational minds at DU can see the sad hatred some people have for fine companies that employ millions of hard working Americans as well as making weapons and equipment that keep Americans alive in Iraq.........

[Name removed]

53. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[seemslikeadream]

56. More BAE profits

BAE Systems Receives $12.5 Million Contract to Provide Emergency Escape Windows To U.S. Army

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070829005442&newsLang=en

MINNEAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--BAE Systems announced today it received a $12.5 million contract to provide 1000 Vehicle Emergency Escape (VEE) Window kits plus 2,000 spare VEE Window panels to the U.S. Army Tank-Automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM) for use on the up-armored M1114 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV).

“It’s important that our soldiers have the best equipment available to keep them safe on the battlefield,” said Dennis Morris, president, BAE Systems, Armament Systems. “The VEE Window is a cost-effective, life-saving tool for enhancing the safety of crews riding in up-armored vehicles in dangerous combat zones where rollovers and accidents are a significant threat.”

The VEE Window is a simple technology developed by BAE Systems that allows crews of the HMMWVs to remove the ballistic windshields in less than five seconds and quickly exit the vehicle during an emergency, such as a rollover or accident. The VEE Window meets current M1114 ballistic properties and will be installed by unit maintenance personnel in theater.

The VEE Window was approved for the M1114 HMMWV following a series of performance and safety tests conducted this summer by the Army at its Aberdeen Test Center. The tests evaluated the effectiveness of the device, as well as the window’s overall structural integrity and operational effectiveness in a rollover or accident-like scenario. The VEE Window kits will be delivered to Army personnel in November.

BAE Systems is exploring VEE Window applications for other tactical and armored vehicles, including M1151/1152 HMMWVs, the Army’s Family of Medium Tactical Vehicles, and the U.S. Marine Corps’ Medium Tactical Vehicle Replacement and Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle programs.


BAE brings in a pair of Army contracts
http://www.bizjournals.com/masshightech/stories/2007/08/27/daily5.html

A New Hampshire-based defense contractor reports it has won an $8 million federal research grant to develop a power amplifier for the U.S. Army.

A Merrimack, N.H., BAE Systems Inc. site is scheduled to develop a 160-watt gallium nitride amplifier to power communications and radar systems. The grant was awarded to BAE by the Defense Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for the U.S. Army Communications-Electronics Research, Development and Engineering Center, based in Fort Monmouth, N.J. BAE is expected to share the grant with Virginia-based materials science company Rohm and Haas Co. and the University of Colorado.


In a separate development, a Massachusetts-based unit of BAE reports it plans to develop night vision goggles for the U.S. Army for an undisclosed contract amount. The Program Executive Office Solider, based at Fort Belvoir, Va., commissioned the work, according to company officials.

BAE Systems Inc. is the U.S. subsidiary of United Kingdom-based BAE Systems PLC. BAE Systems Inc. is headquartered in Rockville, Md. BAE Systems Information & Electronic Systems Integration Inc., a business unit of BAE Systems, is based in Nashua, N.H. BAE Systems PLC employs 88,000 workers worldwide and reported 2006 annual sales of $25 billion. The largest North American BAE operating group is the Electronics & Integrated Solutions group.


BAE already has an order from India for 66 BAE Hawk trainers, 42 of which are being built there.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601091&sid=aIVNGXZDbsww&refer=india

BAE Systems to Develop Enhanced Night-Vision Goggle For U.S. Army

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070827005480&newsLang=en


LEXINGTON, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--BAE Systems will design and develop a digitally enhanced night-vision goggle as part of the U.S. Army’s Enhanced Night Vision Goggle program. This next-generation goggle will use digital imagery to improve soldier mobility and situational awareness under all lighting conditions and in the presence of battlefield obscurants.

The helmet-mounted goggle will digitally combine video imagery from a low-light-level visible sensor and an uncooled long-wave infrared sensor on a single color display located in front of the soldier's eye. This digital technology will provide improved image quality and will enable imagery to be shared among soldiers, improving platoon effectiveness.

“This program will demonstrate the maturity and effectiveness of digital fusion technology and its benefit to the warfighter,” said Margaret Kohin, Advanced Systems program director for BAE Systems in Lexington, Massachusetts. “Applying innovative technology to help our soldiers complete their missions is an objective BAE Systems stands behind every day.”

The contract is managed by the Program Executive Office Soldier at Fort Belvoir, Virginia.

BAE Systems will incorporate its uncooled MicroIR® microbolometer sensor technology in the enhanced goggle. This technology also is used in the thermal weapon sights the company supplies to the Army. BAE Systems has two microbolometer foundries and has delivered more than 50,000 microbolometer-based imagers to date.

About BAE Systems

BAE Systems is the premier global defense and aerospace company, delivering a full range of products and services for air, land, and naval forces, as well as advanced electronics, information technology solutions and customer support services. BAE Systems, with 96,000 employees worldwide, had 2006 sales that exceeded $27 billion on a pro forma basis, assuming BAE Systems had owned Armor Holdings Inc. for the whole of 2006.


$519 million deal to supply the U.S. military with 1,170 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles

http://www.thestreet.com/s/merger-bolsters-bae/newsanalysis/general/10375090.html?puc=googlefi

OKLAHOMA CITY -- With its huge buyout of Armor Holdings, U.K. defense contractor BAE Systems (BAESY - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr) may have very well gotten more than its money's worth.

Notably, just weeks before that transaction closed, Armor landed a surprise $519 million deal to supply the U.S. military with 1,170 mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles. With similar MRAP business of its own, BAE has suddenly burst forward as a new leader in the multibillion-dollar MRAP game.

This story is the fourth installment in TheStreet.com's five-part series examining the top players in the multibillion-dollar MRAP bidding.

"In 2007 to date, BAE plus AH have captured ... No. 1 market share -- ahead of Force Protection (FRPT - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr) and International Military and Government," a unit of Navistar (NAVZ - Cramer's Take - Stockpickr), noted JPMorgan analyst Harry Breach, whose firm has investment banking ties to BAE. Moreover, "we believe that further MRAP awards are likely later this year."



BAE demos DSL-esque military radio protocol
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/20/bae_dsl_via_link_16 /

According to BAE, "the demonstration included Internet Protocol (IP) connectivity, Voice over IP, mobile ad-hoc networking, streaming video, and imagery."

The share price of BAE Systems, Europe’s largest defence company, has risen 225 per cent.
Posted by seemslikeadream on Wed Aug-29-07 06:16 PM

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article2337229.ece

Symon Hill, a spokesman for the Campaign Against Arms Trade, said: “We think that most of the British public will object to the idea that these companies are profiting from war. While Iraqi civilians and British soldiers are dying, there are companies profiting from it.”

Accusations of making money from war are seen as unfair by the businessmen who run Britain’s defence industry. While the industry in the United States is loaded with former generals and admirals, British executives tend to be engineers or entrepreneurs. They are not career soldiers and get frustrated when they are presented as warmongers.


Revealed: official passes that give BAE access to the top at the MoD

http://www.guardian.co.uk/baefiles/story/0,,2149644,00.html

Incestuous' relationship must end, says MP
Lobbyist among 38 given free access to ministry

Rob Evans and David Leigh
Thursday August 16, 2007
The Guardian


The Ministry of Defence has given security passes to 38 employees of the arms giant BAE, allowing them to go in and out of the ministry's headquarters as they please, it has been revealed.
The disclosure has triggered accusations that the relationship between the MoD and BAE is too close and allows the arms company to exert too much political influence over the government. The MoD is refusing to disclose the names of the BAE employees with the official passes, or why they were given them, saying the information would breach their privacy and security. However, it is known that one has been held by BAE's chief lobbyist, Julian Scopes. The pass gave him access to the top levels of the ministry, enabling him to lobby ministers and senior officials and promote BAE's commercial interests.


BAE - $368 million to build and refurbish naval weapon systems,
http://www.epicos.com/epicos/portal/media-type/html/use... ;jsessionid=1DC948DE7A201E05F88DA8A5F1D73E43.tomcat2?articleid=81859&showfull=false


BAE Systems Receives Navy Basic Ordering Agreement for Weapons and Support Services
(2007-08-24)
By: Copyright Business Wire 2007 , Business Wire

BAE Systems has received a Basic Ordering Agreement (BOA) from the U.S. Navy for up to $368 million to build and refurbish naval weapon systems, and provide support services over the next five years. Potential orders received under this BOA are expected later this year and will be carried out by BAE Systems' facilities in Minneapolis and Louisville.

"This agreement will give us the opportunity to continue to serve the U.S. Navy and provide our sailors with critical naval weapon systems and support services," said Dennis Morris, BAE Systems' president of Armament Systems.

The BOA covers a wide range of BAE Systems' programs including the transition of production of the Mk 110 57mm naval gun system; the overhaul, manufacture and upgrade of the Mk 45 5-inch naval gun for the Cruiser Modernization program, the Mk 75 76mm gun mount, the Mk 42 extended range guided missile handling mechanism, the Mk 32 surface vessel torpedo tubes (SVTT), and the Mk 36/53 decoy launcher systems (DLS); the manufacture of gun barrels; the overhaul of turbine pump ejection systems (TPES); and work associated with minor caliber guns.

"This BOA demonstrates to us that our employees have been successful in meeting the customer's needs -- and that's our priority - delivering solutions on time and on budget," said Morris.



BAE wins $8m US defense contract to develop GaN amplifier ELECTRONIC WARFARE

http://www.semiconductor-today.com/news_items/NEWS_2007/AUG_07/BAE_230807.htm

BAE wins $8m US defense contract to develop GaN amplifier
UK-based aerospace and defense contractor BAE Systems says that its Electronics & Integrated Solutions (E&IS) business in Merrimack, NH, USA has been awarded an $8m contract from the US Army Communications-Electronics Command to develop a 160 Watt gallium nitride power amplifier for communications, electronic warfare, and radar applications. Partnering BAE Systems on the program are materials supplier Rohm and Haas of Blacksburg, VI, USA and the University of Colorado.

The solid-state technology will replace the older traveling-wave vacuum tubes that are currently used to produce high-power radio frequency signals, and are intended to aid warfighters by more effectively disrupting enemy communications and radar signals, while protecting friendly communications.

“DARPA has identified BAE Systems’ GaN technology as an important material for future military applications in electronic warfare, radar, and air-to-ground, air-to-satellite, and ground-to-ground communications systems,” says Dr John Evans, the manager for DARPA’s Disruptive Manufacturing Technology program (through which it solicits proposals to reduce cost and time for production of military components). BAE Systems was chosen from among 40 bidders.

“Using this technology, we can develop systems that are significantly less expensive, more reliable, and lower in weight,” says Tony Immorlica, program manager of microwave device programs at BAE Systems. The first prototypes could be deployed by the end of the decade

Cannon for the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems (FCS) program

http://digital50.com/news/items/BW/2001/07/14/20070822005666/bae-systems-congressional-community-and-army-leaders-celebrate-inauguration-of-elgi.html

BAE Systems, Congressional, Community and Army Leaders Celebrate Inauguration of Elgin Site
ELGIN, Okla.-(Business Wire)-August 22, 2007 - BAE Systems held a special inaugural ceremony in Elgin, Oklahoma to initiate work on BAE Systems - Elgin Operations, a 150,000 square-foot facility. The BAE Systems - Elgin Operations facility will be built by the city of Elgin in the Ft. Sill Industrial Park, and is scheduled to open in early 2009. Work at the new facility will initially focus on production integration and assembly of the Non-Line-of-Sight (NLOS) Cannon for the U.S. Army's Future Combat Systems (FCS) program.

[sanskritwarrior]

65. Cool

BAE making money, and the military getting new equipment that makes it easier to kill our enemies and survive.......A win win situation.

[seemslikeadream]

70. Dirty Water: KBR Negligence Threatens Troops

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-rieckhoff/dirty-water-kbr-negligen_b_17429.html

Dirty Water: KBR Negligence Threatens Troops
Posted March 16, 2006 | 03:51 PM (EST)


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"KBR had exposed the entire camp to water twice as contaminated as raw water from the Euphrates River. KBR was apparently taking the waste water... which should have been dumped back in the river, and using that as the non-potable water supply. Such problems had been happening for more than a year... No trained water treatment specialist could claim that the water was fit for human use."

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That's from Senate testimony of a former Halliburton employee, Ben Carter, a water purification specialist. He's talking about water purification at Camp Ar Ramadi, home to thousands of US Troops in Iraq. Ben Carter tried to sound the alarm back in March of 2005, telling his higher-ups at KBR that they were leaving the water supply "vulnerable to contamination from dust, insects, rodents, or even enemy attack," but KBR wasn't interested in admitting the severity of the problem to the Troops who had been affected.

Today, an AP story shows that the problem wasn't just at Camp Ar Ramadi. KBR allowed dangerously polluted water to reach US Troops throughout Iraq. Wil Granger, one of the KBR whistleblowers, says, "This event should be considered a 'near miss' as the consequences of these actions could have been very severe resulting in mass sickness or death."

And people did get sick. Ben Carter was diagnosed with an "unidentified organism" in his digestive tract, and some Troops have complained of stomach problems, as well. From Marissa Sousa, Iraq veteran:

"The whole time I was in Iraq I had extreme gastrointestinal problems, that the medics had no idea what it was and the medications they gave never worked. I wasn't until I left Iraq that the bigger 'problems' diminished and I was left with occasional cramping and indigestion. I feel that if I had known earlier, this could have been prevented and I could have taken measures that I didn't have to use because I was being taken care of, such as hand sanitizer instead of soap and luke warm water at the DFAC. All of this would make the average person upset at this news, but to me and possibly others that served in Iraq, this is nothing new. If it isn't one thing it is another. Crappy armor, crappy water. Halliburton has become the slumlord of Iraq."

[sanskritwarrior]

73. LOL

Ms. Sousa was not very bright.......with thousands of pallets of bottled water at every FOB large and small why the hell would you use that water?

Two tours, never once drank the water. Know why? Because I don't trust anyone with my water and there is plenty of bottled for everyone. Hayat from Turkey was my favorite bottled water as well as the Nestle bottled water we got from Greece........Mmmmmmm Hayat water.......

Again is this supposed to be shocking?

[seemslikeadream]

72. HALLIBURTON WATCH

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

[sanskritwarrior]

74. LOL

www.seemslikeadreamwatch.org


I'm just kidding folks.......

[seemslikeadream]

75. Cheney's Halliburton stock options rose 3,281% last year, senator finds

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_stock_options_rose_3281_last_1011.html

An analysis released by a Democratic senator found that Vice President Dick Cheney's Halliburton stock options have risen 3,281 percent in the last year, RAW STORY can reveal.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) asserts that Cheney's options -- worth $241,498 a year ago -- are now valued at more than $8 million. The former CEO of the oil and gas services juggernaut, Cheney has pledged to give proceeds to charity.

[sanskritwarrior]

77. This is the first thing is this thread

that should outrage someone.........

[Lars39]

118. Contaminated water should have done it for you.

[sanskritwarrior]

123. Why?

Only fools drink recycled water when there are thousands of water bottles 5 feet away.........

[seemslikeadream]

127. He doesn't mind that his fellow soldiers drink water from this

let alone the Iraqis and there children

[sanskritwarrior]

154. Americans never have to drink this water

there is bottled water everywhere.........as for the iraqis, it's sad but I won't lose much sleep over it.

And again you fail to deny that you would see millions of Americans ot of jobs to please your ideological fantasies.......Very telling whose side you are on, it ain't the American soldier or the American family who's main breadwinner is a defense contractor.

[sanskritwarrior]

76. Yes we had better unemployee

88,000 people just so seemslikeadream can feel better.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE

[seemslikeadream]

War & Disaster Profiteering

http://www.corpwatch.org/section.php?id=176

[sanskritwarrior]

78. And the 140,000 of Lockheed Martin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin

[sanskritwarrior]

79. not to mention the

44,000 of L-3 Communications

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-3_communications

or the 124,000 of Northrop Grumman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman

or the 73,000 of Raytheon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raytheon

or the 44,000 of SAIC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_Applications_International_Corporation


Hell seems like a dream at this rate we could unemployee millions of hard working Americans just to satisfy your hatred of people that make the weapons that keep this country safe...................Yes let's unemployee all these people under a Progressive banner and watch them and their families never vote Democratic again in our lifetimes......... :eyes:

[seemslikeadream]

80. Buying the War, Again?

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2007/08/buying_the_war_again.html

[sanskritwarrior]

81. LOL

I'm talking about people and families and jobs in America and you are carping about some damn ideological purity.........WOW thanks for the laughs...

[seemslikeadream]

82. Private Warriors

http://media.pbs.org/asxgen/general/windows/media4/frontline/2315/windows/ch2_hi.wmv.asx

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/view /
CHAPTER TWO
Citizens In a Combat Zone
The brutal killings of four Blackwater contractor brings home the daily dangers contractors face. It also raises the issue of regulating a private security force of tens of thousands that is not part of the military command structure.


In "Private Warriors," FRONTLINE correspondent Martin Smith travels throughout Kuwait and Iraq to give viewers an unprecedented behind-the-scenes look at companies like Kellogg, Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, and its civilian army. KBR has 50,000 employees in Iraq and Kuwait that run U.S. military supply lines and operate U.S. military bases. KBR is also the largest contractor in Iraq, providing the Army with $11.84 billion dollars in services since 2002.

Historically, there is nothing new about the military's use of private contractors, but the Iraq war has seen outsourcing on an unprecedented scale. The policy change came after the Cold War when the Pentagon was downsizing under then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney. Cheney first hired Halliburton as a consultant and later became the company's president. Halliburton subsidiary KBR is now one of the largest recipients of government contracts.

FRONTLINE visits the biggest Halliburton/KBR run base, Camp Anaconda, in the Sunni triangle. Behind concrete walls 28,000 soldiers and 8,000 civilians live in bases that offer Taekwondo and Salsa lessons, movie theatres, fast food courts, and four meals a day. The amenities are impressive, but some argue that there is a price to pay. Says a former base commander Marine Colonel Thomas X. Hammes, "it's misguided luxury … somebody's risking their lives to deliver that luxury."

And while KBR was glad to provide Smith with a tour of the facilities, they weren't able or willing to answer some basic questions about how much certain services -- like feeding the troops -- cost. Smith eventually finds some answers from the Army base commander, but numerous audits are underway to determine just how the contracts are being fulfilled. In response to allegations of overcharging in the tens of millions of dollars, KBR's Vice President of Worldwide Military Affairs, Paul Cerjan says, "the only thing we can do is stand up and give a true and honest evaluation of what we've done. … And let whoever is making the assessment make the assessment. We are not afraid of that process."



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3101962&mesg_id=3109106


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3101962&mesg_id=3110384

[northzax]

90. Blackwater and BAE are different companies

and you once again paint them with the same brush. BAE does not provide mercenaries (sorry, 'security contractors'). different business.

why are you picking on BAE, in particular? there are six military contractors bigger than they are (Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Halliburton). heck, LM's contracts were worth FOUR TIMES that of BAEs, where's the Lockheed-Martin war profiteering thread? Boeing?

BAE makes weapons systems, it's what they do. obviously, they make more weapons systems in wartime than in peacetime. so why BAE in particular? the whole Prince Bandar thing? so they paid a comission to a foriegn negotiator on a sale, big deal. it may be slightly corrupt, but it's nothing remarkable. it wasn't even that much money, compared to the deal. The people who should be pissed off at the Saudis, they are the ones who's Prince took a bribe, maybe, to pick a particular weapons system.

[seemslikeadream]

92. Today is BAE

yesterday it was Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater

I guess you MISSED some of my other posts over the LAST 5 years

[sanskritwarrior]

94. So yes let's unemployee 1million people

to satisy your ideological vendettas.........Jesus you wonder why we all snicker when you post.......

[seemslikeadream]

95. we all that's rich what you and one other buddy

can you count?

[sanskritwarrior]

100. I'm not going to get into an insult war with you,

You enjoy hanging yourself on the cross and I'm not in the mood.

Bottom Line and we both know it: You would gladly unemployee these people to slake your ideolgocial bloodlust for anyone that thinks differently on this issue. I would gladly give my life to live in a country where people are free to do what they want, even if they want to make weapons for a living.

We are done, you lose good night.

[seemslikeadream]

102. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out sandy

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

98. 107,575 people here sandy

you go find one more for your side and that will make 3


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[northzax]

104. but the only evidence of abuses you have posted

have been about Halliburton and Blackwater, NOT BAE. you have not posted one single thing that BAE has engaged in that could be considered war profiteering. not one. (KBR, of course, has been a subsidiary of Halliburton, so I group the two) your only evidence of wrong-doing by BAE is that Halliburton and Blackwater are engaged in dubious practices. the only thing you came close to was that BAE may have ripped off Saudi Arabia, and frankly, I don't really care if someone rips off the Al-Sauds.

I did a search for your name and Boeing, and nothing showed up. I did a search for your name and Lockheed, and nothing showed up. nor for General Dynamics. can you direct me to those threads, as they are the three largest US defense contractors? or do you simply have a problem with BAE?

so I will ask again. do you have anything showing that BAE, in particular, has engaged in war profiteering?

[sanskritwarrior]

108. She has a problem with anyone that doesn't buy what she is shovelling

Her disdain for the "peasants" that dare to disagree with her is legendary.........I taunt her with facts, because I know they burn her.

[seemslikeadream]

110. Mister NO FACTS

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Nihil]

109. Thanks northzax for trying to keep the debate balanced.

> but the only evidence of abuses you have posted
> have been about Halliburton and Blackwater, NOT BAE.
> you have not posted one single thing that BAE has engaged
> in that could be considered war profiteering. not one.

Damn those facts!

BAe have their corrupt ways, their slush funds and their bribes
in exactly the same way as all of their competitors but they
have NOT been involved in war profiteering.

> I did a search for your name and Boeing, and nothing showed up.
> I did a search for your name and Lockheed, and nothing showed up.
> nor for General Dynamics. can you direct me to those threads,
> as they are the three largest US defense contractors?
> or do you simply have a problem with BAE?

I think it's the last one ... maybe SLaD was turned down for an
interview with BAe at some time in the past? Made redundant by them?
It certainly isn't an honest complaint against either war profiteering
or the arms industry.
:shrug:

I am against BAe in as much as they are a major part of the arms
trade that treats innocents in the same way that it treats combatants
but, to give the Devil his due, they don't go for the KBR/Halliburton
way of life that is truly war profiteering.


(F*ck me ... I'm on the same side of an argument as sanskritwarrior?!?! :crazy: )

[seemslikeadream]

113. not one link to your "facts"

[Nihil]

117. Maybe if your "evidence" existed, I wouldn't have posted at all?

>> but the only evidence of abuses you have posted
>> have been about Halliburton and Blackwater, NOT BAE.
>> you have not posted one single thing that BAE has engaged
>> in that could be considered war profiteering. not one.
>
> Damn those facts!

The facts that I'm referring to are the points from the
preceding post, namely:

i) All of your posts (that I've seen in this thread) that involve
war profiteering have been about Halliburton/KBR/Blackwater.

ii) You have not posted one thing (that I've seen in this thread)
to support your claim that BAe (NOT any of the other companies)
has been involved with war profiteering.

In other words, the fact that there is no evidence to support
your claims speaks volumes - either about your bias or about your
confusion of which company does what.

I like a lot of your posts SLaD but you are off track on this thread.
:shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

119. Plenty of evidence Speaking of off track

http://www.modernindustrialservices.com/

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There is power in a factory, power in the land
Power in the hand of the worker
But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand
There is power in a Union

Now the lessons of the past were all learned with workers blood
The mistakes of the bosses we must pay for
From the cities and the farmlands to trenches full of mud
War has always been the bosses way, sir

The Union forever,defending our rights
Down with the blackleg,all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters from many far-off lands
There is power in a Union

Now I long for the morning that they realise
Brutality and unjust laws cannot defeat us
But who'll defend the workers who cannot organise
When the bosses send their lackeys out to cheat us?

Money speaks for money,the Devil for his own
Who comes to speak for the skin and the bone?
What a comfort for the widow,a light to the child
There is power in a Union

The Union forever,defending our rights
Down with the blackleg,all workers unite
With our brothers and our sisters together we will stand
There is power in a Union

-- "Power in a Union", Billy Bragg

[northzax]

129. wow, such bitterness.

I didn't know BAE was providing scabs...oh wait, you say BAE is a unionized company? that their manufacuting is closed shop? or did you not bother to ask?

thanks for proving the point that you had no point by changing the subject. good on ya.

[seemslikeadream]

130. You changed the subject sweetie

[northzax]

134. every post I have made on this thread

has concerned BAE and allegations of war profiteering. every one.

[seemslikeadream]

137. So you are saying BAE does not engage in WAR PROFITEERING?

[northzax]

146. I am saying you have posted no evidence of that, yes

since war profiteering is a specific term, usually referring to companies or individuals that make excess profits off of war by engaging in unethical behaviour. Since I haven't seen any evidence that BAE is engaged in that activity, I have to take a pass.

the other definition, of course, is anyone who makes any money off the war or defense industries, but since that's pretty much everyone who sells any good or service to the military (including myself, since I have run workshops on BRAC, helping to mitigate the loss of economic opportunity in communities losing bases; not to mention anyone in the army, navy, air force or marines, all of whom make money during wartime, after all, soldiers get increased pay in war zones, is that profiteering? by the definition you seem to be using, apparently so)

[seemslikeadream]

151. I have posted it over and over if you chose to ignore it that's your problem

[seemslikeadream]

131. BITTERNESS BITTERNESS! This is my bitternes

2506 "I'm waiting to hear the words 'I was wrong' Dick Morris, 4/9/03
Tue Jun 20th 2006, 03:59 PM
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/seemslikeadream/109


"Tommy Franks and the coalition forces have demonstrated the old axiom
that boldness on the battlefield produces swift and relatively
bloodless victory. The three-week swing through Iraq has utterly
shattered skeptics' complaints." (Fox News Channel's Tony Snow,
4/27/03)



"The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside
liberals, and a few people here in Washington." (Charles Krauthammer,
Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)



"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego
that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to
take that wager?" (Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)



"What's he going to talk about a year from now, the fact that the war
went too well and it's over? I mean, don't these things sort of lose
their--Isn't there a fresh date on some of these debate points?"
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, speaking about Howard Dean--4/9/03)



"It is amazing how thorough the victory in Iraq really was in the
broadest context..... And the silence, I think, is that it's clear that
nobody can do anything about it. There isn't anybody who can stop him.
The Democrats can't oppose--cannot oppose him politically."
(Washington Post reporter Jeff Birnbaum-- Fox News Channel, 5/2/03)



"Now that the war in Iraq is all but over, should the people in
Hollywood who opposed the president admit they were wrong?"
(Fox News Channel's Alan Colmes, 4/25/03)



"I'm waiting to hear the words 'I was wrong' from some of the world's
most elite journalists, politicians and Hollywood types.... I just
wonder, who's going to be the first elitist to show the character to
say: 'Hey, America, guess what? I was wrong'? Maybe the White House
will get an apology, first, from the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. Now,
Ms. Dowd mocked the morality of this war....

"Do you all remember Scott Ritter, you know, the former chief U.N.
weapons inspector who played chief stooge for Saddam Hussein? Well, Mr.
Ritter actually told a French radio network that -- quote, "The United
States is going to leave Baghdad with its tail between its legs,
defeated." Sorry, Scott. I think you've been chasing the wrong tail,
again.

"Over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this
guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and
so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is
going to have to hang its head for three or four more years."
(Fox News Channel's Dick Morris, 4/9/03)



"This has been a tough war for commentators on the American left. To
hope for defeat meant cheering for Saddam Hussein. To hope for victory
meant cheering for President Bush. The toppling of Mr. Hussein, or at
least a statue of him, has made their arguments even harder to defend.
Liberal writers for ideologically driven magazines like The Nation and
for less overtly political ones like The New Yorker did not predict a
defeat, but the terrible consequences many warned of have not happened.
Now liberal commentators must address the victory at hand and confront
an ascendant conservative juggernaut that asserts United States might
can set the world right."
(New York Times reporter David Carr, 4/16/03)



"Well, the hot story of the week is victory.... The Tommy Franks-Don
Rumsfeld battle plan, war plan, worked brilliantly, a three-week war
with mercifully few American deaths or Iraqi civilian deaths.... There
is a lot of work yet to do, but all the naysayers have been humiliated
so far.... The final word on this is, hooray."
(Fox News Channel's Morton Kondracke, 4/12/03)



"Shouldn't the prime minister and all of us who thought the
war was hasty and dangerous and wrongheaded admit that we were wrong? I
mean, with the pictures of those Iraqis dancing in the streets, hauling
down statues of Saddam Hussein and gushing their thanks to the
Americans, isn't it clear that President Bush and Britain's Tony Blair
were right all along? If we believe it's a good thing that Hussein's
regime has been dismantled, aren't we hypocritical not to acknowledge
Bush's superior judgment?... Why can't those of us who thought the war
was a bad idea (or, at any rate, a premature one) let it go now and
just join in celebrating the victory wrought by our magnificent
military forces?"
(Washington Post's William Raspberry, 4/14/03)



"This will be no war -- there will be a fairly brief and ruthless
military intervention.... The president will give an order. attack] will be rapid, accurate and dazzling.... It will be greeted by
the majority of the Iraqi people as an emancipation. And I say, bring
it on."
(Christopher Hitchens, in a 1/28/03 debate-- cited in the Observer,
3/30/03)



"Speaking to the U.N. Security Council last week, Secretary of State
Colin Powell made so strong a case that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein
is in material breach of U.N. resolutions that only the duped, the dumb
and the desperate could ignore it."
(Cal Thomas, syndicated column, 2/12/03)




Until the philosophy,
Which holds one race superior
And another inferior,
Is finally and permanently
Discredited and abandoned,
Everywhere is war.

WAR

Until there is no longer first class
Or second class citizens of any nation.
Until the color of a man's skin,
Is of no more significance than
The color of his eyes,
I've got to say "war".

WAR

That until the basic human rights,
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race,
I'll say "war"

Until that day the dream of lasting peace,
World-citizenship and the rule of
International morality will remain
Just a fleeting illusion to be pursued,
But never obtained.
And everywhere is war.

Until the ignoble and unhappy regime
Which holds all of us through,
Child-abuse, yeah, child-abuse yeah,
Sub-human bondage has been toppled,
Utterly destroyed,
Everywhere is war.

War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south,
There is war,
And the rumors of war.

Until that day,
the african continent will know no peace
There is no continent,
Which will know peace.

Children, children.

Fight!

We find it necessary.
We know we will win.
We have confidence in the victory
Of good over evil
Of good over evil

Fight the real enemy!

Bob Marley

[northzax]

133. so you attack a British Aerospace company?

because the US has demented political leaders? ok.

[seemslikeadream]

135. Since you insist I'll help you out ONE MORE TIME Give me your hand I'll lead you there

since you can't find your way on your own. I'll even put it in BIG letters so you can read it. One more example:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003662.php

As for Armor Holdings -- which, by the way, is being purchased by the much-investigated BAE Systems -- one subsidiary, Simula Aerospace and Defense Group, delivered to TACOM armor kits with "missing and unusable components" and missed several shipment deadlines, resulting in "increasing risk to the lives of soldiers." According to the IG report, Simula didn't qualify under the Federal Acquisition Regulation as a "responsible prospective contractor," but it got its contracts anyway.


The armor kits went to vehicles in particular danger to insurgents in Iraq, such as Humvees, and to IED-response vehicles like the JERRV and the Buffalo. Marine Corps and counter-IED officials claimed that they awarded the contracts based on "market research" demonstrating the superiority of Force Protection to provide the armor, but couldn't supply any such research to IG investigators.

In some cases, contracts were awarded to FP months before the results of testing on the vehicles' armor requirements was even available. The Armor Holdings subsidiary Simula didn't have adequate production capabilities or quality controls in place -- something the responsible TACOM official didn't bother to check before she awarded Simula its contract. As a result, Simula missed numerous shipping deadlines, delivered armor kits that covered only the left-hand-side of Humvee doors, and didn't even deliver sufficient "nuts, bolts and other hardware" for installing the armor that did make it to Iraq.

One thing the report doesn't establish is why these two companies got such lucrative contracts when they were both so clearly sub-par and competing suppliers existed. But Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY), who ordered the IG report, said today that she still needs to know "why military officials who were aware of other competitors were overruled," and she's calling on the Oversight and Armed Services committees in the House to hold hearings on the contracts

[northzax]

140. ok, BAE is buying them

any sign of BAE involvement in this deal? since it happened a year before BAE bought them?

I still can't find anything that BAE was involved in besides bribing Prince Bandar.

[seemslikeadream]

142. besides bribing Prince Bandar.

:rofl:

[northzax]

147. so a British Company

sells overpriced, second rate aircraft to an Arab Country we are not at war with, and this is profiteering? seems like a UK or Saudi problem to me, don't you think?

[seemslikeadream]

149. not when US soldiers are being used as guinea pigs

[Nihil]

144. If there's "plenty of evidence" why don't you post some? ...

... i.e., instead of posting completely tangential garbage about
an American strike-breaking (scab) labour company and some Billy
Bragg lyrics on a thread (allegedly) about BAe being a "war profiteer"?

:wtf:

[seemslikeadream]

145. My God do you even see all the links or what?

Since you refuse to read the links I've provided I thought maybe you'd be interested in reading something else

[Nihil]

153. "I see links ... dead links ..."

OK, maybe not dead links but I certainly don't see any that
provide any evidence whatsoever that BAe are "WAR PROFITEERS".

I see plenty of links showing that Halliburton (et al) are WAR PROFITEERS
(but that's no surprise, nor is it relevent to your claim about BAe being
a war profiteer).

I see plenty of links showing that BAe indulges in bribery, etc.,
(but, again, that's no surprise, nor is it relevent to your claim about
BAe being a war profiteer).

I have read many of your links (though I don't follow the video links)
as I know a lot about BAe but am willing to learn more. I've skipped
the links on Halliburton, KBR, Boeing etc., as they are not relevent
to BAe.

As several people now have pointed out, being a "war profiteer" is an
explicit charge. It doesn't have anything to do with being an arms
seller nor even with being a weapons system or component manufacturer.
It has the simple meaning that has been pointed out to you many times
and which you have chosen to ignore every single time.

The FACT is that BAe may be despicable for a whole host of reasons
but with regard to your unfounded accusation of being a war profiteer,
they are actually innocent.

Have a good weekend anyway. :hi:

[seemslikeadream]

148. Since you don't LIVE in this country I'll explain the reference cause YOU don't get it

IT'S LABOR DAY WEEKEND HERE IN THE STATES

so it's on my mind, thank you

[Nihil]

150. Thank you.

In that case posting about some scab contractor company would indeed
have some relevance to the date (if not the thread).

Have a great weekend.

[seemslikeadream]

120. Nihil strange that I don't remember ever talking with you before

[Nihil]

143. Before? As in before you posted your .113 in reply to my .109?

Or before this thread?

If the latter then maybe not.

:shrug:

[Truth2Tell]

83. Kickity Kick

Thanks SLAD. The haters are pushing back at ya hard. Never surrender.

[seemslikeadream]

85. Never forget

[seemslikeadream]

121. A couple of folks here will not be HAPPY until we are in Iran

And private corporations continue making money hand over fist on the deaths of our children



The War Criminal in the Living Room

The media is silent, Congress is absent, and Americans are distracted as George W. Bush openly prepares aggression against Iran.

US Navy aircraft carrier strike forces are deployed off Iran.

US Air Force jets and missile systems are deployed in bases in countries bordering or near to Iran.

US B-2 stealth bombers have been refitted to carry 30,000 pound "bunker buster" bombs.

The US government is financing terrorist and separatist groups within Iran.

US Special Forces teams are conducting terrorist operations inside Iran.

US war doctrine has been altered to permit first strike nuclear attack on Iran and other non-nuclear countries.

Bush's war threats against Iran have intensified during the course of this year. The American people are being fed a repeat of the lies used to justify naked aggression against Iraq.

Bush is too self-righteous to see the dark humor in his denunciations of Iran for threatening "the security of nations everywhere" and of the Iraqi resistance for "a vision that rejects tolerance, crushes all dissent, and justifies the murder of innocent men, women, and children in the pursuit of political power." Those are precisely the words that most of the world applies to Bush and his Brownshirt administration. The Pew Foundation's world polls show that despite all the American and Israeli propaganda against Iran, the US and Israel are regarded as no less threats to world stability than demonized Iran.

Bush has discarded habeas corpus and the Geneva Conventions, justified torture and secret trials, damned critics as anti-American, and is responsible, according to Information Clearing House, for over one million deaths of Iraqi civilians, which puts Bush high on the list of mass murderers of all time. The vast majority of "kills" by the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan are civilians.

Now Bush wants to murder more. We have to kill Iranians "over there," Bush says, "before they come over here." There is no possibility that Iranians or any Muslims who have no air force, no navy, no modern military technology are going to "come over here," and no indication that they plan to do so. The Muslims are disunited and have been for centuries. That is what makes them vulnerable to colonial rule. If Muslims were united, the US would already have lost its army in Iraq. Indeed, it would not have been able to put an army in Iraq.

[seemslikeadream]

122. Private corporations making money off torture of Iraqi prisoners KEEP DEFENDING THESE GUYS

and our soldiers take the blame

HOW CAN YOU SHAME ON YOU


http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/083007R.shtml

Split Verdict at End of Abu Ghraib Trials
By Andrew Gray
Reuters

Thursday 30 August 2007

With the end of the last court-martial linked to prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib jail, the Pentagon says it is confident justice has been done but rights groups see a failure to hold leaders accountable.

Only one U.S. officer, Army Lt. Col. Steven Jordan, faced court-martial over the scandal. Jordan was acquitted on Tuesday of responsibility for abuse at the jail west of Baghdad.

Jordan, who argued that he played no part in the abuse and that the military was trying to make him a scapegoat, was convicted only of disobeying an order not to discuss the investigation into the case. He was sentenced to a reprimand.

Images of the abuse, including naked detainees stacked in a pyramid and others cowering before snarling dogs, became public in April 2004 and badly damaged the reputation of the U.S. military as it waged war in Iraq.

Eleven lower-ranking soldiers have been convicted in military courts in connection with the physical abuse and sexual humiliation of detainees at Abu Ghraib.

Two officers were disciplined by the Army but neither faced criminal charges or dismissal.

Rights activists say that record is at odds with public pledges from top U.S. officials.

"Watch how America will do the right thing," then-Secretary of State Colin Powell declared in May 2004.

Powell said President George W. Bush would be "determined to find out where responsibility and accountability lie."

Powell himself seems satisfied that justice has been done. "People were charged and brought before tribunals. The system worked," he said in a comment relayed to Reuters by his office.

But John Sifton, a senior researcher at Human Rights Watch, said: "There's been huge gaps in the accountability process."

[sanskritwarrior]

124. I guess

SLAD won't be happy until we have unemployed millions of hard working Americans. Their crime: daring to work for companies that make our military able to be the noble institution it is today.........Kinda sad really slad, you would take food off of peoples tables to satisfy your ideological dementia.......

[seemslikeadream]

126. I won't be happy until these WAR PROFITEERS stop making money off of an illegal war

[sanskritwarrior]

138. They will make the same money in peacetime

selling the same products........And again you just admitted you would punish millions of Americans to satisfy your selfish ideological beliefs.........Pathetic.

[seemslikeadream]

139. PEACETIME??

You please tell me when that is gonna happen? :rofl:



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15044.htm

[seemslikeadream]

141. sandy you have not been paying attention

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkKhPLAyDsM

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g47YAGodTs0

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0S0FsE_Sw


God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPa9Q6YN9HU

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1QKb7Sp40o

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAAmhFkZvkE

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9HnqC541l0

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdFir1MOVKg

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIjUP7Xw_3Y

God's Warriors - God’s Jewish Warriors part 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsgrG-84nBo


God's Warriors - Muslim 1-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh7WkyaeRBg

God's Warriors - Muslim 2-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snKtyovqWno

God's Warriors - Muslim 3-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCEQLxKXUl0

God's Warriors - Muslim 4-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y0d4JfPQHU

God's Warriors - Muslim 5-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mVwooXM9Iw

God's Warriors - Muslim 6-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29IdBQDmv00

God's Warriors - Muslim 7-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ5MlkInAtc

God's Warriors - Muslim 8-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lzy6pGkEqo

God's Warriors - Muslim 9-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgCwH6VqmRU

God's Warriors - Muslim 10-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBmmpM9t75w

God's Warriors - Muslim 11-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igkCXGEFoI

God's Warriors - Christian 1-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orG59apfX9I

God's Warriors - Christian 2-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZjFs7ybny4

God's Warriors - Christian 3-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuGgfEqpIE

God's Warriors - Christian 4-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc-jlPEP0Dg

God's Warriors - Christian 5-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mz3bUIlzOc

God's Warriors - Christian 6-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lguc7MVV0C0

God's Warriors - Christian 7-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_tHCclmb8

God's Warriors - Christian 8-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq3hJE2bBSg

God's Warriors - Christian 9-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNkAFOx5KUI

God's Warriors - Christian 10-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaDxUs4-52s

God's Warriors - Christian 11-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvgNOmI4Yqs

[sanskritwarrior]

156. Oh noes

a CNN special about the offshoots of three faiths and their pathetic ideological movements that will amount to nothing........

I saw it and laughed at how much she got wrong about the three religions.

The horror.......

I really do love you SLAD, you make me realize that most of DU ain't buying the shit the far left fringe such as yourself is selling......and that makes this soldier realize that most Democrats really do support us, even though a few pretend they do......

[seemslikeadream]

159. yea you and TWO other people

[HughMoran]

169. I have a friend who literally needs places like BAE to put food on the table

She used to work with me making telcom/computer/industrial electronic devices, but her job was shipped to China along with 10's of thousands of other jobs in the electronics industry here in NE Ma, So. NH. The only job she was able to get was building electronics for BAE in Merrimack. I personally have been offered jobs in Defense and refused them, but she is not educated and does not have the choices I have. She is a single mother with 2 kids and they literally need this job to put food on the table. I have to be ambivalent about this as I don't know where else she could find a decent paying lob within 1.5 hours of where she lives.

[seemslikeadream]

171. She must do what she has to do to take care of her children

she is not responsible for what BAE is

Please do not let sanskritwarrior put words in my mouth, he is very good at that

[HughMoran]

173. Yes, it's a sad state of affairs in the electronics assembly industry here in the US

I don't believe that my post affirms the above posters words as I also agree with your arguments/facts about BAE and other similar profit-driven defense contractors.

I hate to finish my post by saying something so small-minded, but there really are other contractors that would gladly gobble up BAE's contracts if they were to dissappear tomorrow.

[seemslikeadream]

174. There always was and always will war profiteers

Just like war. We just don't have to turn a blind eye to them, I call 'em like I see 'em

[seemslikeadream]

152. Halliburton's subcontractors are basically engaged in the practice of indentured slavory.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3101962&mesg_id=3110384

[seemslikeadream]

162. BAE Radar Love: Robbing the Cradle to Pay War Profiteers

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012707D.shtml

And BAE's voice echoes loudly across the ocean as well. As we noted here last month, BAE has become one of the top 10 US military firms as well, through its acquisitions during the ever-profitable "war on terror" - including transactions with the Carlyle Group, the former corporate perch of George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush and still the current home of the family fixer, James Baker.

The new SFO evidence comes from the same Swiss banks where they were tracking down almost $2 billion in hush-hush slush funds that BAE had allegedly set aside for Saudi royals to win their continuing approval for a mammoth arms deal called, with cynical irony, "al-Yamanah" (Arabic for "the dove"). This cozy arrangement for fighter planes and other military aircraft and servicing has been going on for 18 years, and has been worth almost $80 billion for BAE so far. But first the Guardian, then SFO investigators, found evidence that BAE had used the secret stash to supply Saudi princes - every bit the equal of Bush and Blair in public piety - with luxury apartments, sumptuous holidays, designer cars (including a gold-plated Rolls-Royce, the Times reports), comely female companionship and other perks to keep them sweet on the deal. When the SFO at last gained entry to the inner sanctums of Swiss bankery, where the high and mighty (not to mention the down and dirty) have hid so many dark secrets for so many years, they also began looking into evidence that top BAE executives might have been dipping into the slush fund for various amenities as well.

Unfortunately, the probe was running parallel with high-wire negotiations for a $12 billion augmentation of al-Yamanah, with a new round of BAE-built fighter jets on the line. The Saudis, tired of the embarrassing revelations, played hardball, threatening to end all cooperation in the terror war or even cut diplomatic ties with Britain if the investigation was not quashed. Dick Cheney also weighed in, reportedly telling Tony that he needed to can all this "enforcement of the law" malarkey from the SFO and keep the Saudis happy. The dutiful PM then had his dutiful attorney general - his lifelong pal Peter Goldsmith, whom Blair had elevated to the House of Lords - make an unprecedented ruling to kill the investigation stone-dead. (Goldsmith, of course, is most famous for telling Blair that an invasion of Iraq would probably be illegal, in several different ways - then suddenly changing his mind after a "consultation" with the boys in the White House not long before the "shock and awe" began. Guess they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.)

Although the stench of the child-robbing Tanzanian deal has long lingered over a Blair government that came into office promising an "ethical foreign policy," it is only now that evidence of actual criminality is emerging. The SFO found that BAE had paid secret "commissions" of $12 million to a pair of Tanzanian middlemen who brokered the deal. The brokers received a more public $400,000 fee for the transaction, which is considered a "legitimate" rake-off in the arms-peddling world. But they deposited the $12 million in a Swiss bank account of one of BAE's many off-shore, tax-dodge front companies, Red Diamond.

One of the Tanzanian agents, Sailesh Vithlani, acknowledged the existence of the fund, but denied that he had used any of it to pay Tanzanian officials. When asked if he'd passed any of the cash to "third parties outside Tanzania" - such as, say, BAE executives or UK government officials - Vithlani chose a prudent silence. "When the UK police traveled to Tanzania ... we answered all their questions," he told the Guardian. BAE's chairman at the time of the deal, Sir Dick Evans, has been questioned by the SFO in the probe, the paper added.

[seemslikeadream]

166. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ sanskritwarrior^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In the above passage, Blair quotes almost verbatim from the charter document of the Bush administration: the September 2000 manifesto of the "Project for the New American Century," an empire-and-oil special-interest group whose members included Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Scooter Libby and Jeb Bush, among many others. In a report that called for implanting a US military presence in Iraq (regardless of whether Saddam Hussein was in power there or not), and which acknowledged that its "revolutionary" plans for vastly expanding the military-industrial establishment would be difficult to achieve unless the American people were "catalyzed" by a "new Pearl Harbor," PNAC asserted that America's frontiers now encompassed the entire world. Thus, American troops too would have to be sent into dozens of nations far from home, to serve as "the cavalry" on this new frontier.

A final echo of Bushist militarism came when Blair - calling for a foreign policy that "keeps our American alliance strong and is prepared to project hard as well as soft power" - finally got down to brass tacks: "The covenant between armed forces, government and people has to be renewed." This does not mean, as you might think, that the people should have a say as to when and where their children are to be sent to "the lands of other nations far from home, with no immediate threat to our territory." No, the new covenant means "increased expenditure on equipment, personnel and the conditions of our armed forces." It means, in other words, bigger bucks for BAE and the many American war firms, such as Halliburton, the Carlyle Group and others, who have been hard-wired into Britain's military-industrial complex.

This is the mind-set - and the depraved morality - of the leaders of the Anglo-American democracies in the 21st century: More war, more money for war, more money for the merchants of war, no matter who must suffer for it, no matter how badly it skews and perverts national policies.

Contrast this with the words of a former leader in the Anglo-American alliance: a Republican, a general, a conservative, a man who, unlike the prissy tough guys in the White House and 10 Downing Street, had actually known the horrors of war, and the corrosive, corrupting effects of even the most justified "good war." Recall the words of President Dwight D. Eisenhower as he left office in 1960 - and weep over the degeneration and brutalization that has afflicted these democracies in the ensuing decades:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

[sanskritwarrior]

176. SLAD

no matter what you say, no matter what you post, it changes nothing. You would have people on the streets without jobs if it pleased your ideological delusions.

Defense Contractors do good things for the military, without them there would be no body armor, no weapons, no bombs, no domestic wiretapping devices. You can pain them as badly as you want, but the reality they serve a purpose for this great country of ours. They build the equipment that allows us to decimate our enemies on the battlefield while protecting the individual soldier better than in any other war in our countries history. If you get your jollies bashing defense contractors that's fine, I get my jollies exposing your radical agenda that is in many ways filled with falsehoods and deceptions. Hate on defense contractors and by extension the military all you want, it makes my job much easier. So thank you, no one can strap themselves to the cross like you do my dear. Thank you and good night.

[seemslikeadream]

177. You have exposed nothing but that you know how to type

[seemslikeadream]

178. You have not debunked one thing I have posted but this is true

Defense Contractors do good things for the military, without them there would be no body armor, no weapons, no bombs, no domestic wiretapping devices


NO WAR MACHINES

[sanskritwarrior]

179. Hey I'll put my war machine down

when other countries put their down first.......That's just human pragmatism.

And I'm not trying to debunk you sweetie, your frantic postings do more for my argument than anything I could post.

[seemslikeadream]

180. Then what is your purpose here?

[seemslikeadream]

182. Oh heavens the rumors are TRUE!!!!

Praise the Lord

Good bye old friend it wasn't too good to know you :hi:

[seemslikeadream]

163. BAE Systems is the 4th biggest arms company in the world.

http://www.wri-irg.org/pubs/warprof-0606.htm

AGM protest...
BAE Systems
As Campaign Against Arms Trade reports....

BAE Systems is the 4th biggest arms company in the world. Each year it sells around £11 billion of arms around the globe.

These weapons are sold indiscriminately to a wide customer base - to regimes with appalling human rights records, regions involved in devastating conflicts, and impoverished countries with huge development needs.

CAAT holds a number of 'token shares' in BAE Systems which enables them to attend the company's Annual General Meeting and challenge it about its deadly trade. In May 2006, around 40 CAAT supporters attended the AGM and dominated questions to the company's board members on a number of issues.

Supporters challenged the company on its continued contribution to conflict and human rights abuses around the world - particularly by supplying arms and services to Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. One shareholder highlighted the fact that around 80% of victims in conflict are civilians; another asked the chair directly whether he empathised with victims who have been maimed or killed by BAE products.

The Chairman, Dick Olver, replied by saying that he believe that 'BAE supplies products to make the world a safer place' and that 'the people in the company are proud of their contribution to stability in the world'.>

[seemslikeadream]

167. ^^^^^^^^^^northzax ^^^^^^^^^^^^

to regimes with appalling human rights records, regions involved in devastating conflicts, and impoverished countries with huge development needs.

[seemslikeadream]

165. BAE System's Dirty Dealings

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=9008


It sounds like the stuff of pulp fiction: The UK's largest armaments producer running a £20 million ($33.4 million) slush fund to finance prostitutes, gambling trips, yachts, sports cars, and more for its most important clients the Saudi royal family and their intermediaries, greasing the wheels of the largest business deal in UK history. These are the accusations made last month by a former employee of weapons giant BAE Systems. And evidence has surfaced that members of the British government were aware of the bribe arrangement, but looked the other way.

BAE Systems, formerly known as British Aerospace, is one of the world's top arms producers. It manufactures warplanes, avionics, submarines, surface ships, radar, electronics, and guided weapons systems, generating annual sales of £12 billion ($20 billion) in 130 countries. The arms giant was formed as a nationalized British defense corporation in 1977, which was subsequently privatized in the early 1980s, and changed its name to BAE when British Aerospace merged with Marconi Electronic Systems in 1999.

BAE Systems' North American branch has an unusual special relationship with the Pentagon where it is treated as a domestic arms company. According to Ian Prichard of the British Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT), "BAES North America appears to be virtually a separate company - even top UK executives are not privy to the more sensitive work carried out by 'their' company in the US."

For years the company has been accused of selling arms to impoverished and dictatorial regimes, polluting the environment, and has been dogged for years by allegations of corrupt dealings.

Now those allegations have exploded into the open. Revelations point to BAE's provision of enticements to the Saudis over a fifteen year period, starting in the late 1980s, using a front company Robert Lee International (RLI), to divert funds to the arms clients and their middlemen. Among other allegations, RLI procured prostitutes for visiting Saudi officials and bought houses for mistresses, while an internal BAE statement reportedly refers to "sex and bondage with Saudi princes". According to documents published by The Guardian, the British government's Serious Fraud Office (SFO) alerted the Ministry of Defense of the possible involvement of BAE's chairman Sir Richard Evans in the bribe scheme, but the Ministry of Defense did nothing.

BAE Systems' chief executive Mike Turner didn't deny the slush fund charges. At a press conference following the revelations, he stated, "They are old allegations and they are old hat. They are history." Turner added, "Everything we do is legal and that is all I am prepared to say. Whatever the law is, we are legal."

[seemslikeadream]

168. ^^^^^^^^^^Nihil^^^^^^^^^^^^

Earlier this year, Friends of the Earth UK launched a campaign against BAE's production of depleted uranium shells which have been used by British soldiers in Iraq. Hannah Griffiths, corporate campaigner at Friends of the Earth UK, said: "We want the directors of companies like BAE to take their duties to communities and the environment as seriously as they do their duties to the company's bottom line".

The Campaign Against Arms Trade has also been targeting BAE with protests at 40 sites all across England, Wales and Scotland that belong to BAE or its subsidiaries, accusing BAE of fanning the flames of war.

Meanwhile BAE has also targeted CAAT. The Sunday Times (London) revealed in September that BAE paid a private intelligence firm £120,000 a year to infiltrate and spy on CAAT over a four year period in the 1990s. The head of the firm told BAE that she had a database containing more than 148,000 names and addresses of arms trade and peace activists, environmentalists and union members. CAAT issued a statement denouncing BAE's actions. "The alleged theft of the supporter database, by copying it, is illegal and entirely unacceptable. CAAT is considering how to pursue the allegation," it said.

[Nihil]

181. xxxxxxx seemslikeadream xxxxxxx

Still nothing about war profiteering then?

As stated several times upthread, I do not dispute that BAe are
arms traders nor that they have the same attitude to bribery
(and protestors) as all of their competitors.
The only thing that I keep calling you on is your repeated
(false) claim that they are "war profiteers".

Ah well, maybe one day ...

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

170. BAE Systems' Subsidiaries and Dirty Partners

http://www.reachingcriticalwill.org/corporate/dd/bae.html

BAE Systems' Subsidiaries and Dirty Partners
There are hundreds of joint ventures and projects between BAE Systems and other companies.

Airbus Integrated Company (AIC): BAE Systems currently holds a 20 per cent interest in AIC. AIC develops and manufactures the company’s fleet of short, medium, long and very long-range airliners for sale to airlines around the world.

Alenia Marconi Systems: BAE Systems holds a 50% share in the company with the other 50% share belonging to Finmeccanica of Italy. The company is a major force in European defence and electronics.
It has a turnover of over 1.9 bn. Alenia Marconi Systems has an established international customer base in over 100 countries.

Astrium: Astrium is the largest space company in Europe. BAE Systems has 25% of the shares while the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company owns 75% of the shares. Astrium specialises in science programs, civil and military Earth observation and communications satellites and ground systems, navigation constellations, launchers and space infrastructure.

BAE Systems Canada: Most of BAE Systems Canada is owned by BAE Systems. The company produces both commercial and military avionics products, including flight management systems based on the Global Positioning System (GPS) for manufacturers like Boeing, for installation and retrofitting on airlines. The U.S. Marines and Army are also customers for products such as line-of-sight and high frequency tactical radios.

BAE Systems Cincinnati Electronic Corporation is a US subsidiary of BAE Systems Canada, which produces infrared missile warning systems and surveillance cameras. (Mason, Ohio).

Northstar designs, manufactures and produces marine navigation systems including marine, avionics, and other land-based positioning equipment. (Acton, Massachusetts)

NovAtel Inc. is a subsidiary of BAE Systems Canada based in Calgary, Alberta. Its products are used principally for applications in high-end markets such as surveying, GIS, aviation, marine, mining, machine control, agriculture and precise timing. In 1998, BAE Systems Canada Inc. purchased 58.3% of NovAtel's shares, becoming a majority shareholder.

European Industry Lobby, EUROSPACE: Eurospace was created in 1961, at the dawn of the European space era, as the organization of the European Space Industry. It is an international non-profit association whose members are the main European industrial space companies.

RO Defence: "Global Footprint Operations" - RO Defence is an international business supplying weapons and technology to more than 50 countries, and is a major supplier to both the U.K. and U.S. armies. RO Defence focuses on weapons systems, munitions, rocket motors and small arms ammunition. The unit even provides training, testing and logistic services for all of its products.

STN Atlas: BAE Systems has a 49 % stake in the company. It is one of the leading German companies in the field of defence electronics and systems engineering. It specialises in naval systems, simulation systems, land systems and airborne systems divisions

SAAB AB: BAE Systems announced a 35% share in SAAB AB in April 1998. SAAB ABs' main operations focus on defence, aviation and space. SAAB AB is the maker's of the Gripen aircraft, which BAE Systems is marketing, especially to South Africa and Eastern Europe.

Thomson Marconi Sonar: BAE Systems owns 49.9% of this company. It is a major sonar exporter to over 40 customers worldwide. Thomson Marconi Sonar has over 40 years experience in the support of surface ship, submarine and airborne sonar systems.

For more information please see Campaign Against the Arms Trade for information on Western European Aerospace & Defence Industries, and The Ownership Jigsaw, which contains detailed listings of subsidiaries, including their base of operation and main activities.

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Outside of MBDA, BAE’s space weapon and missile defence technology includes tactical surveillance, infrared, and space electronics. Its missile defense contracts increased from $78 million in 2001 to $93 million in 2004. In July 2002, BAE and Boeing signed a missile defense memorandum of understanding, agreeing to collaborate on missile defense contracts. This move gave MBDA more access to the US market. Similar agreements with Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin followed during the summer of 2003. While Lockheed Martin and BAE were already working together on the US Missile Defense System, their agreement allowed them both to expand internationally.

In April 2002, the first tests of BAE’s Common Missile Warning System were conducted. This system was developed to warn fighter planes about infrared missile threats and to cue countermeasures to take out the enemy missile.

In 2004, the Department of Homeland Security gave Northrop Grumman and BAE $45 million each to adapt military defense systems to civilian airliners. As part of Homeland Security’s Counter-Man Portable Air Defense Systems (Counter-MANPADS), the Northrop Grumman and BAE systems are designed to detect a missile launch from a MANPAD and then direct a laser to the head of the missile and disrupt (jam) its guidance signals. MANPADS are shoulder-launched missiles that are considered to be a particular threat to airplanes and helicopters. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell once warned that "no threat is more serious to aviation" than MANPADS, which are easy to use and readily available on the black market. A 2005 Rand study estimated it would cost $11 billion to protect every US airliner from MANPADS. In addition, Aviation Week reports, “The Bush Administration has spent more that $121 million researching counter-MANPADS measures since 2003, but DHS has never committed to acquiring any specific technology.”

BAE claims to recognize “its responsibilities to the people it employs, its customers and suppliers, its shareholders, the wider community and to the environment.” American taxpayers, who are footing the $45 million bill for BAE’s Counter-MANPADS technology that will probably never be used, might beg to differ.

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175. How long can BAE, Britain's biggest arms company, run a secret service and trump the armed forces?

http://mparent7777.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-can-bae-britains-biggest-arms.html

CAAT has good reason to be suspicious. In 2003, the Sunday Times revealed that BAE had carried out a "widespread spying operation" on its critics. "Bank accounts were accessed, computer files downloaded and private correspondence with members of parliament and ministers secretly copied and passed on." The paper said the arms company made use of a network run by a former consultant for the Ministry of Defence called Evelyn Le Chene. "Le Chene recruited at least half a dozen agents to infiltrate CAAT's headquarters at Finsbury Park, north London, and a number of regional offices." They provided BAE with advanced intelligence on CAAT's campaign against the sale of its Hawk aircraft to the Suharto dictatorship in Indonesia. The arms company also obtained CAAT's membership list, its bank account details, the identity of its donors, its letters to ministers, even the contents of private diaries belonging to its staff.

After the story was published, CAAT asked a team of investigators to examine the messages sent from its offices. They found that one of the group's most senior members of staff, the national campaigns and events coordinator, had sent 181 emails to an unfamiliar address. Many of them contained extremely sensitive information.