Tucker changes his tune.

[mondo joe]

http://www.queerty.com/

Apparently Tucker released the following

Let me be clear about an incident I referred to on MSNBC last night: In the mid-1980s, while I was a high school student, a man physically grabbed me in a men’s room in Washington, DC. I yelled, pulled away from him and ran out of the room. Twenty-five minutes later, a friend of mine and I returned to the men’s room. The man was still there, presumably waiting to do to someone else what he had done to me. My friend and I seized the man and held him until a security guard arrived.

Several bloggers have characterized this is a sort of gay bashing. That’s absurd, and an insult to anybody who has fought back against an unsolicited sexual attack. I wasn’t angry with the man because he was gay. I was angry because he assaulted me.

But that’s not the story Carlson told last night. At THAT time he said he “Hit him against the stall with his head.” Now he’s saying he and his friend “held him”.

[Virginia Dare]

1. Stupid phuck admitted a hate crime on national teevee..

now he tries to backpedal...:eyes:

[frogcycle]

20. tell me ...

if a woman reacted like that to a male assailant would you call it a hate crime?

[Virginia Dare]

29. I'm doubting the fact that the guy was an "assailant"..

I'm guessing (no factual evidence of course, pure speculation) that Tucker and his buddy set upon the guy because he was gay. Purely anecdotal on my part, but rich preppy pukes who have gone to Georgetown and had way too much to drink have been known to do this.

[Hieronymus]

27. Tucker and Bush are cut from the same cloth. Let them eat cake.

[Kingshakabobo]

2. Liar, liar,,,,,bow-tie on fire. n/t

[David Zephyr]

3. How in the fuck does Tucker have a TV show? What's wrong with MSNBC?

Jeez!

[polichick]

12. Really...

Who is HE sleeping with? ;)

[Hieronymus]

26. I keep emailing MSNBC to ask the same thing.

[Missy Vixen]

4. That's right, Tucker

Of course it happened. Of course all you did was "hold" the guy till the cops got there. This brings to mind the blogger/video clerk incident from a couple of years back, doesn't it?

As another poster has already noted, Tucker Carlson admitted to a hate crime on national teevee last night. When will Tucker finally say something that the suits of MSNBC or whomever the hell it is he works for now will consider egregious enough for him to lose his job?

Julie

[Supersedeas]

31. bet, that' s not the story he told his HS buddies

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. So there'd be a police report, right Tucker?

Let's look that up and see if it corroborates.

[peaches2003]

6. I wouldn't call what Tucker did a 'hate crime'

Why is it a crime at all, much less a hate crime? The man attacked him. I don't like Tucker, but wouldn't you do the same thing if you had assault and battery committed against you?

[mondo joe]

7. First of all, it's Tucker's FANTASY, so it's not anything.

Secondly, self defense is one thing. Getting a friend to come back and beat someone up is a not self defense.

[Kingshakabobo]

9. ...."25 minutes later" no less. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. The first time he said it...

he claimed he beat up a guy for flirting with him.

[LiberalFighter]

10. Well doesn't he look cute with that bow tie? He could pass for a puppet.

[Bluebear]

13. Oh you wouldn't. PS "the man ATTACKED him:"---you're taking Carlson's word on that?

Or did the guy "look funny"?

And no, I would not beat someone's head against a stall if someone who did that to me, which was Carlson's story.

[ourbluenation]

17. I agree...unsolicited sexual advances are not ok. We teach women self defense to do just what he did

[Warren Stupidity]

21. You teach them to initiate attacks?

Have you consulted a criminal lawyer?

[mondo joe]

22. You teach them to leave the scene, come back and beat someone up?

This isn't exactly self defense.

[Bluebear]

23. You teach women to leave the scene, come back later & bash their heads?

[Akoto]

35. Just assuming that the second story is true ...

If he had been grabbed, pushed away from the assailant and then left? That's sensible. Anyone would do that in response to an assault.

The scenario changes drastically when he later returns with a friend. A person without the intent for revenge would have taken a more reasonable course. Calling the police, maybe. Reporting the guy to the management of the establishment he was in. Not returning to the scene of the crime with a friend.

[orleans]

24. on tv the other night tucker was not "attacked" he was "bothered"

"Having sex in a public men's room is outrageous. It's also really common. I've been bothered in men's rooms." Carlson continued, "I've been bothered in Georgetown Park," in Washington, D.C., "when I was in high school."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200708290003

the second time he tells his story through the msnbc spokeswoman the guy in the bathroom has grown more ominous, and tucker's response to it grows less illegal.

from

"I went back with someone I knew and grabbed the guy by the -- you know, and grabbed him, and ... hit him against the stall with his head, actually."

to

"My friend and I seized the man and held him until a security guard arrived."

[rocktivity]

11. Let ME be clear be about the incident you referred to on MSNBC last night

If you had decided to return to the scene of the crime with "extra muscle," it should have been of the LEGAL variety. Getting a friend to help you retaliate just makes you a punk-ass wimp--AND a criminal!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Disturbed]

14. Tucker is a typical RW Asshole.

He tells one BS story & when called to task on it he changes the story to make himself appear better than the first BS story. Actually, the 2nd story makes him as much of an Asshole as the 1st one.

[MasonJar]

15. How can a network that has the class to present KO have Tucker?

It makes little sense.

[eleny]

16. This whole deal sounds like a right wing geek's wet dream

He's a twerp now and he had to be a pencil necked twerp when he was in high school.

I don't believe that any of it happened.

[demobabe]

18. The guy is all over the map

He doesn't think before he shoots off his mouth. He said it was okay when Robert Novak attacked a guy and sent him flying into the crowd on an icy sidewalk because Novak was "an old man" and that "he's 70 years old, dude!" Never mind Novak could have seriously hurt the guy, and the only reason he didn't was because Paul Begala grabbed him while he had his arm cocked back to throw a punch and the CNN folks whisked him into the CNN bus.

But really, if a guy sexually assaulted Tucker, why would the guy hang around the bathroom for 25 minutes more? I mean it's possible, but there is something not right with the whole story. Tucker gay bashing? Possibly. Tucker full of $#!+? Most probably.

[rurallib]

19. Let me add - a black friend of mine from long ago told me that

white men never fight fair. They only fight when the odds are stacked well in their favor. Hence, Tucker having to get some help.
The whole story reeks of total horseshit. So Tucker, produce the documents.

[0rganism]

25. Let us rate the elements of the stories (both versions) in terms of plausibility

My ratings will be on a scale of one * to five *****, with five ***** being most likely to have happened. A refers to the first description, B to the second.

1A&B. Someone hit on Tucker "machismo" Carlson in a Georgetown bathroom ca 1985
**** - I don't see why not, but I have to deduct a * for the possibility that this is simply the premise of a TC homoerotophobic fantasy designed to titillate his own latent desires. I'm guessing it happened at least once, but there's the question of how it was handled on other occasions...

2B. Tucker yelled, pulled away from him, and ran out of the room
*** - maybe, but there just seems to me like something major remains untold here. Were the man's intentions initially well received? Perhaps things started out nice enough, just a little kissy-kiss, but got a bit too rough too fast for Tucker? Did Tucker instead leave by way of promising to return with a friend who would join them for hot restroom sex, only to come back prepared to beat him up? In any case, the A version also implies that Tucker left the bathroom at some point and returned, so I'll grant him that, but much remains unanswered.

3A&B. Tucker returns with an ally
***** - most believable part of the story, presuming the preceding is accurate. He wouldn't dare take someone on by himself, without a clear physical advantage, like his opponent is hog-tied or comatose or some such. However, this could be further reinforced by an account from Tucker's "friend" himself, since Tucker does not strike me as the sort to have many combat-ready friends.

4A&B. Tucker's Man is still there
**** - sure, although it does cast further doubt on the specifics of point 2B, since if Tucker left the room yelling and distressed I strongly suspect anyone with an ounce of sense would have put even money on the cops to show up within half an hour.

5A. "grabbed the guy by the -- you know, and grabbed him"
5B. "My friend and I seized the man and held him"
** - Significant details from the A version are omitted in B. Even if true, one must wonder what sort of ploy was used to trick Tucker's Man into allowing his "you know" to be grabbed by Tucker & "friend."

6A. Tucker & friend strike Tucker's Man "against the stall with his head, actually!"
* - If true, this is admission of torte for aggravated battery. However, the tone of this comment seems more along the lines of wishful thinking than recollection. It would be worth re-watching to observe Tucker's eye motions during this portion of the show. I find it much more likely that there was a scuffle of some sort, and things did not go as well for boy Tucker as he would have liked.

7A. And then the cops came and arrested him
7B. held him until a security guard arrived
** - Not necessarily internal contradiction, as there might have been both a security guard and arresting cops. However, I find this to be an unsatisfactory conclusion, in the absence of any follow-up fact finding to reveal the Man's arrest record and identity. And what would the grounds for said arrest be? That the perpetrator was beaten up by Tucker and "a friend" in a bathroom? Why wouldn't Tucker's Man have grounds to ask the cops to arrest Tucker and friend instead? Again, this is something that can be positively corroborated with witnesses and public records, but I find the whole scenario lacking. Nowhere does Tucker mention notifying either cops or security, which would seem to be a major gap in the plot. If the cops arrived due to the commotion, then one has to wonder what lead them to arrest Tucker's Man rather than two preppy hoodlums engaged in his unlawful detention.

[Skittles]

28. Tucker's insistence on letting the world know he is straight

it's just suspicious to me

[IndianaJones]

30. is that the bow tie guy? he claims to have kicked someones ass in high school? lol. nt.

[CatWoman]

32. He also went off on a video store clerk and threatened to have him fired

:rofl:

a real "man's" man

:rofl:

[IndianaJones]

34. That guys a joke. I can't believe he's still on tv...I used to watch him on Crossfire. nt

[Sequoia]

33. I never watch that show but last night I was clicking through

and happend to land on his show as he was saying that. I thought he sounded a bit violent.