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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 07:49 PM
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I missed the "global warming is a hoax" reports of late
From Daily Kos:

Conservatives vs NASA on Global Warming (Update II)
by chapter1
Sat Aug 11, 2007 at 04:29:59 AM PDT
"The only thing Antwan ever touched of mine was my hand, when he shook it at my wedding... But when you little scamps get together, you're worse than a sewing circle." Mia Wallace in Pulp Fiction

This diary follows a rumor's spread through the conservative blogosphere. It begins with a story about how a persistent conservative blogger found a minor (but genuine) error in a NASA dataset, and how that error was promptly acknowledged and corrected. This story was told by the original blogger a few days ago, and then retold by other bloggers (with improvements) and again by other bloggers (with more improvements).

By yesterday, we could read on A-List conservative blogs that "global warming hype" is largely derived from a Y2K bug, that the the new information is being suppressed by the media, and that someone had possibly launched an attack on the original blogger's web site to prevent the truth from getting out.

We'll start at the beginning by looking at the underlying science; what the error was, and why it matters. And we'll see how that science got lost in successive retellings, even as sensational (but false) details were added.


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Daily Kos

Daily Kos provides a nice summation of the right-wing hype that followed this "revelation," but now the Freepers are all atwitter about this report:

Survey: Less Than Half of all Published Scientists Endorse Global Warming Theory

Comprehensive survey of published climate research reveals changing viewpoints

In 2004, history professor Naomi Oreskes performed a survey of research papers on climate change. Examining peer-reviewed papers published on the ISI Web of Science database from 1993 to 2003, she found a majority supported the "consensus view," defined as humans were having at least some effect on global climate change. Oreskes' work has been repeatedly cited, but as some of its data is now nearly 15 years old, its conclusions are becoming somewhat dated.

Medical researcher Dr. Klaus-Martin Schulte recently updated this research. Using the same database and search terms as Oreskes, he examined all papers published from 2004 to February 2007. The results have been submitted to the journal Energy and Environment, of which DailyTech has obtained a pre-publication copy. The figures are surprising.

Of 528 total papers on climate change, only 38 (7%) gave an explicit endorsement of the consensus. If one considers "implicit" endorsement (accepting the consensus without explicit statement), the figure rises to 45%. However, while only 32 papers (6%) reject the consensus outright, the largest category (48%) are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject the hypothesis. This is no "consensus."

The figures are even more shocking when one remembers the watered-down definition of consensus here. Not only does it not require supporting that man is the "primary" cause of warming, but it doesn't require any belief or support for "catastrophic" global warming. In fact of all papers published in this period (2004 to February 2007), only a single one makes any reference to climate change leading to catastrophic results.


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http://www.dailytech.com/Survey+Less+Than+Half+of+all+Published+Scientists+Endorse+Global+Warming+Theory/article8641.htm">Daily Tech

The author attempts to argue there is no consensus based on:

528 total papers on climate change

45% = "implicit" endorsement ("implied though not directly expressed")
48% = are neutral papers, refusing to either accept or reject the hypothesis.
06% = reject the consensus outright
99%

I don't know, the figure of 93% that either "implicitly" endorses the theory or are "neutral" seems to me to be a formidable figure. I think the freepers are walking on celebratory thin-ice with a 6% rejection of the theory.

I've searched the author's name, Michael Asher, on google and found he is cited by what appears to be right-leaning sites attempting to discredit global warming or Al Gore. I wonder if he's the "Jeff Gannon" of global warming...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 07:51 PM
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1. You didn't miss anything.
Same shit, different day.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 07:54 PM
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2. har de HAR! I linked the following thread from nowheresville yesterday,
with this pic....



"nobody expects the climate inquisition!"

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:nMcHsiq_nHEJ:www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1883378/posts+nobody+expects+the+climate+inquisition&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

it's been pulled, that's why the google cache

can't imagine why they pulled it, can you?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 08:01 PM
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3. "...can't imagine why they pulled it, can you?"
No, it seems a rather clever parody.

And it brought back memories of old Monty Python routines! Thanks! :hi:
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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 08:13 PM
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4. The number of "Neutral" papers is irrelevant
Edited on Wed Aug-29-07 08:14 PM by ThoughtCriminal
A source might site something in Oreskes or another claimate related study while having nothing to do with the climate change hypothesis. It might be a paper on moose migration siting a statistic on tundra acreage and somehow this is spun to "Refusing to accept or reject the hypothesis"?

Endorse vs Reject is 7:1, and right wing blogs embrase it as debunking? I'm glad I never had one of these idiots as a debate partner.


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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 08:15 PM
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5. A Y2K bug? They've got to be kidding
Decades of work and thousands of years of data showing Global warming is destroyed by a single Y2K bug?

Boy, those scientists must feel sheepish....
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