50 fucking billion more. Dems you better not!

[lonestarnot]

You better not!

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. What? You don't support the troops?

:sarcasm:

[lonestarnot]

3. LOL.... Don't support throwing my tax dollars into a dark fucking theft hole of the military machine

[wellst0nev0ter]

33. And How

LINK

And all the war is doing is funding the insurgents.

[lonestarnot]

37. Damn I'm on a rollercoaster tonight. The more I read tonight, the faster and more ups and downs.

[bananarepublican]

50. The CIA's take from the Afghani opium trade would fund an additional war with Iran! n/t

[Atman]

2. But you know they will.

Here's a photo of the Democratic leadership discussing it with the party faithful.

.

[lonestarnot]

5. Son of a bitch they better not!

[TwilightGardener]

4. They'll ante up. They won't defund.

[lonestarnot]

10. What do they think they are funding? What the fuck good are they doing?

What in the hell? They have to know they are going to pay for being spineless. Pay with our money they are allowing to be stolen by that son of a bitch. This complacency shit has got to stop! 12 fucking billion a month! Are they out of their fucking minds? (Sorry for venting)

[TwilightGardener]

21. Vent away. I can't believe the gall of ChimpCo, myself, to ask for more money--

but he senses weakness in Congress, so he'll keep playing his hand.

[lonestarnot]

26. No not playing his hand! Call it what it is STEALING AN MURDERING!

[Cha]

65. They want their Iraqi oil and

they're not leaving until it's in their contracts..soldiers' lives be damned and don't even mention the annilation of Iraq.

[The Straight Story]

6. What ya gonna do if they do, not vote for em? They have a pass

And will use it.

[lonestarnot]

11. They do not have a pass! They do not!

[spoony]

36. How disheartening, though, that they know that and take full advantage of it.

[spag68]

7. IF THEY LET THIS ONE THROUGH,

I will consider my voting days over, one man one vote MY ASS.

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. That will solve the problem!

[Solon]

64. Is the problem supposed to solve itself? We vote in these assholes...

and what do they do? They ignore us, and we are supposed to keep on voting for them? What the fuck for?

[G_j]

8. here is a link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1687383&mesg_id=1687383

[lonestarnot]

13. Thank you. I'll scoot over in a minute.

[ladjf]

9. I've got an idea for the Democratic response.

How about "NO", just a simple but firm "NO". What could Bush do about that? It's veto proof and vote proof.

[TahitiNut]

14. It would only take 41 Senators to block it ... even if passed in the House.

Forty-one. One less than the meaning of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

[lonestarnot]

16. Pugs are going to see some fucking OUTRAGE! OUTRAGE I TELL YOU! OUTRAGE!

[Just-plain-Kathy]

45. You got me thinking...

I bet this time around, republicans will vote against funding the war. -The media will then praise republicans for wanting to stop the war, then Bush will bring us to war in Iran, -then he’ll get all the money he wants to filter down to his defense interests.

[bleever]

12. Only if Katrina reconstruction gets the same amount.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1693746&mesg_id=1693746

Seriously.

You want to macho up against us by accusing us of not supporting the troops? I dare you to say that the people in the gulf states don't deserve this kind of support.

[lonestarnot]

18. FUCKING RIGHT ON! SPOT ON!

[OneBlueSky]

48. not even then . . . give the ENTIRE amount to rebuilding NO and the coast . . .

actually, discussing these 50 million here and 50 million there allocations is really rather funny, since WE DON'T HAVE THE FUCKING MONEY!!! . . . all we're doing is increasing the debt that our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren will be saddled with . . .

[tabasco]

15. It's like the security guard givng the bank robbers more money on their way out the door.

Sadly, I expect them to cave because they might be called bad names.

[lonestarnot]

19. It's not the names I'd be worried about if I were them.

[GreenTea]

17. LOCKHEED-MARTIN, ALLIANT TECHSYSTEMS, HALLIBURTON, KELLOGG BROWN & ROOT BLACKWATER, BWX TECHNOLOGIES

These same republican corporations who support Bush and the war/occupation - they also own & control the media....They are stealing billions of dollars; LOCKHEED-MARTIN, ALLIANT TECHSYSTEMS, HALLIBURTON, KELLOGG BROWN & ROOT, BLACKWATER, BWX TECHNOLOGIES, GENERAL ELECTRIC, BECHTEL, NORTHROP GRUMMAN, RAYTHEON, THE BOEING COMPANY, GENERAL DYNAMICS, BAE SYSTEMS INC.

Of course they want to stay in Iraq while Bush keeps the war/occupation for profit going and going...How many billions of our tax dollars have they already stolen? How many more billions more will they get their hands on?

And how about the oil industry/corporations like EXXON & the rest, stealing unmetered Iraq oil & claiming the rights to future exploitation...hundreds of billion to trillions of dollars more for them, as they shamelessly gouge us every day at the pump for even more profits...

This occupation for profit is long from over, and won't be over as long as Bush is in office and he'll be there until at least January 20th 2009.

And our kids and Iraqi's will continue to die....but profits will be up for the corporations isn't that just great?

[lonestarnot]

20. Do you think merika will put up with 15 more months of this disregard to our will?

[Greyhound]

Do you think they care?

The message here, for those willing to hear it, is fuck you we are your rulers, you will do what we tell you to do, when we tell you to do it, and we will do what we want to.

Don't like it? fuck you.

What are you going to do, vote Republik?

and the flock walks into the shoot with nary a bleat...

[lonestarnot]

66. That's the message from the murdering thief!

[Greyhound]

76. ...and his cohorts.

[GreenTea]

24. I'd bet on it.

They aren't going to impeach when thy get back next month and then it'll be Thanksgiving Xmas holiday and they won't be back until January next year...the primaries will be in full swing and the election will be six or seven month's away.....No, I know they won't impeach....they plan to just ride Bush out and believe there will be a Dem in the WH and majorities in the House & Senate....(with no thought to voting machines controlled by the republicans who stole the last two prez elections).

[lonestarnot]

25. Man oh man. I gotta get a passport. renewal. I am for the first time feeling either

a spiritual defeat or a fighting fucking madness. I can't believe merika is that gone. :cry:

[Supersedeas]

72. what is interesting is that the DoD Spokesman said that the proposed amount did not

come from the Dept. of Defense, that they need no where near that amount...not even half...but that the proposal came from the White House. The White House has it's own funding objectives, separate and apart from the Def. Dept. apparently.

[Harper_is_Bush]

22. Or what? n/t

[lonestarnot]

23. Here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1695215

[0rganism]

27. The only way this should go through is as part of a larger supplemental package

Let's face it right now -- the Dems are not going to withhold any of GWB's fun money. If W wants 50 billion, congress is only going to ask "large bills or small?" False hopes only lead to further disappointment, we know how it works by now.

So what congress should be doing is putting a whole lot of riders on that sucker. This would be an ideal opportunity to fully fund Katrina recovery, shore up Medicare, and maybe even do something in the way of rolling back the infringements on civil liberties. Every giveaway to the Military-Industrial-RNC complex should be matched in full by some equivalent allocation to the people of America.

Put the onus on shrub every time to veto the funds for the troops. Every time.

[lonestarnot]

28. That just had a calming affect.

Thank you.

[0rganism]

39. Not too calm, I hope

We still have to put pressure on our congresscritters to make sure there's some baby in this bathwater. ;)

[lonestarnot]

40. Nope never calm for too long me.

:rofl:

[RiverStone]

38. Sadly - I must agree.

I don't think we will see a sudden guts infusion by those DEMS on the Hill - the same ones who promised to end Shrub's damn war in November of 06. Minus the likes of Kucinich and Feingold - chances are we will see another cave in like we saw last May - inexplicably funding another 3-4 months, then another....

So yea, if they will never draw a line in the sand; they might as well do some good with the bad.

I would not have fathomed I'd agree with you a year ago - though the party I voted for has failed their constituents big time (at least on repeatedly giving Shrub war $$$) and I see nothing to change that trend on the horizon.

Though I'd love to be surprised!

[lonestarnot]

41. My damn hair is on fire again!

[0rganism]

43. heck, I was surprised they even managed to take congress in '06

I was blown away, frankly. Never thought they'd do it. I remember there was this handful of senate seats left undecided Tuesday night, and I had done the math where it looked like the Dems would basically have to sweep nearly all of them, like five out of six, to take the senate. All the news anchors were openly skeptical to the point of derision. And then the results finally came in one by one, and the sweep happened, and I was just amazed.

Still, with the republicans firmly in control of the executive and judiciary, and filibustering like mad in the senate, the best we can really hope for along these lines is compromise. So instead of fretting about the impossible, let's remind our reps to turn that oozing blemish on the face of the budget into a mere line item in an omnibus spending bill.

Frankly, the thing that worries me most about the 50B is that it will turn out to be leverage for an imminent push into Iran...

[harun]

70. Only needs one rider... HR676

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HR_676

[AtomicKitten]

29. Send it to NOLA.

[lonestarnot]

31. Fucking levies were funded with federal tax dollars, federal tax dollars

should make them better!

[lligrd]

44. My Thoughts Exactly

or to bring the troops home. We still have to pay for that.

[PFunk]

30. I see alot of the dems base just sitting down and not voting at all if they do vote for this.

As many of them now see the dems as not much better than the repugs. Now is the time to show some backbone if the dems want to avoid this.

[lonestarnot]

34. depressing.

[harun]

71. Agreed (n/t)

[orleans]

32. i heard that earlier on a cnn newsbreak and i was stunned.

started screaming at the tv
and that's what i said: they'd better not!

[lonestarnot]

35. To you orleans

:toast:

[Jack Sprat]

42. You bust in here at 2 in the morning demanding 50

fucking billion more. Here is what we have for you and it isn't money. Here......take this, it's a 50 megaton 3 stage hydrogen nuclear bomb to set off any where you like. As long as you keep it a safe distance away, it might just give us a cooler winter than we have had, and kill all the bugs. A nuclear winter for all. White, yellow, and orange snow gently falling in the night.

And the explosion: WoW! A cascading mushroom of enormous size and the color is breath-taking. Simply the most beautiful natural event that anyone has ever seen.

[lonestarnot]

63. Pock and raw.

[autorank]

46. You've got my vote!

They better not. This is a real test. One more time and it's approval in the teens.

Hold that line!

[Truth2Tell]

47. Who's that guy? What's his name....

Oh yes, Phil A. Buster.

Maybe he'll show up? Feingold, Sanders, Boxer? Bueller...

Fuck.

[Disturbed]

49. After the Dems give another $50 Billion all Progressives

should join the Green Party.

[iLikeJello]

51. I'm so sick of all this bullshit

I'm tired of our fucking dickwad "President" and his cronies selling this nation into war, poverty, debt, and making all his corporate friends rich while New Orleans still lays in ruins. B*sh doesn't give a FUCK about anyone else - only about him and his friends. Jefferson and Hamilton must be rolling over in the graves so much that they look like skeletal whirling dervishes.

So what's going to happen if we don't impeach Bu$h and Company? They're all going to go back to their ranches in Texas, riding horses and laughing about the fun they had in Iraq. And then Bush will get a presidential library.

No retirement in Texas for Bush. Impeach him and boot him from office. Then bring his ass to the ICC. Indict, convict, and imprison. He and all his corporate friends should be locked inside the Hague so deep that none of them ever see the light of day again. We take control of his assets and give it to the poor. Justice needs to be done.

I'm so tired of this. Brothers, sisters, let's get this criminal out of the White House and into the prison where he belongs!

[DFW]

52. I'm all for it under one condition:

That's it's used to fund the withdrawal.

[B Calm]

53. THREE BILLION DOLLARS a WEEK for the endless war... How conservative

is that?

[leftchick]

55. perhaps we need to send them all the latest copy of Rolling Stone

before they vote more for the profiteers.

[Deja Q]

56. What do the Congressional Dems know that we don't?

And if we knew, would we be as likely to agree?

Sorry to ask.

[2rth2pwr]

57. What do you mean? nt.

[robinlynne]

75. I think they don't know shit. I think we need to educate them.

[ronnie624]

79. They don't have any special knowledge.

They are just keenly aware, that for the most part, the lobbying and campaign monies that they absorb come from the same sources as those which fund the Republicans. For those dependent on corporate donations to fund their campaigns, denying the corporate sugar-daddies an opportunity to make huge profits would seem unwise if they want to be re-elected.

We desperately need public funding of all political campaigns, and major reform to the laws that regulate media. These are requisite to electing representatives who posses a genuine interest in improving our society.

[cooolandrew]

58. They will. Hey it's only monoploy money. Well you'd think anyway.

[spanone]

59. I repeat: 50 billion more and the democrats OWN iraq.

[mod mom]

60. Our infrastructure is failing, our healthcare system is broken and our economy

is near ruined thanks to the reckless cronyism of the * administration. Stand up to these thugs and say NO to FAILED AND IMMORAL policy!

[Javaman]

61. Expect it.

color me surprised if the don't.

This is the one vote that will make me stop voting dem in the national elections.

[spanone]

62. i'm with you javaman

[Kablooie]

67. Why even bother argueing with them? They are going to give Bush anything he wants anyway.

They are just terrified little people who secretly believe everything Bush tells them.

The fact that everything is a lie and they know it doesn't matter at all.

Bush wants more money to kill people, Democrats give it.

The only difference between today's democrats and republicans is a sex scandal or two.

Other than that, they all simply follow where they are told.


When the hell are we going to get a real government here?

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. You KNOW they will, lonestarnot!! They will NEVER stand up to these Fascist, psychotic warmongers.

You know they'll give him the money.

[Individualist]

69. They've given the chimperor everything he wants and will continue doing so

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

[SOS]

73. Sure they will

The majority are bought and paid for by Wall Street.

Let's just give the entire Congress to the top Fortune 535 CEOs.

It would be more honest and save us the bother of voting.

[Maestro]

74. Amen

They better no! Show some integrity and force a withdrawal!

[MadHound]

77. Oh you know that they will

Then the Dems and their ardent supporters will demand complete loyalty from those opposing the war, using the rationale that the war will continue if they don't for the Dems. Even though we voted the Dems to power in '06 and they still have yet to do anything but keep the war going and kiss corporate ass.

[Jacobin]

78. They're stupid. It gets them in deeper and deeper and makes

them more and more invested in the gawdawful outcome that will eventually come home to roost.

They are STUPID