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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:39 AM
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Iran Attack After Labor Day,"Congress has already given its overwhelming approval"
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 08:41 AM by leftchick
so don't get your hopes up for them to put up much of a fuss. :(


Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock: Countdown to Midnight in Persia

http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1270/135/

<snip>

The assault will most likely be made with conventional weapons, the authors say, as the political and environmental effects of a nuclear strike on Iran would not be worth the limited military value of such an attack. After all, the Bushists want to control Iran and milk it dry after they destroy the regime and slaughter a vast number of innocent people. Halliburton and Exxon wouldn't be able to move right in and start gobbling up loot in a radiated land.


This is what is coming. This is what the Bushists will be selling to us soon. (Glenn Greenwald has a useful roundup of the growing madness here.) One sees comments here and there to the effect that "the American people will never accept this," that "Bush can't get away with this kind of thing after Iraq," or that "this isn't 2002, with everyone still raw and dazed after 9/11," etc., etc. But such declarations are pipe-dreams, foolish hopes. As we have pointed out here many times, Bush and Cheney are not interested in obtaining the "consent of the governed" for their militarist agenda -- nor do they need it.

Congress has already given its overwhelming approval to the specious reasons for war that Bush and his minions have advanced. The corporate media is doing its part again too; for example, the media's flagship, the New York Times, has been "stovepiping" warmongering spin straight from the White House and Pentagon onto its front pages -- exactly as it did in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, and even using the same reporter, Michael Gordon, who with his co-writer Judith Miller was reponsible for the dissemination of so many useful lies. The same system that fed the engines of aggressive war in 2002-03 -- reporter gets spin from Bushists, paper prints spin, Bushists then cite the report as "confirmation" of the lies they themselves concocted -- is in operation now.

Unless the Bushists institute a draft, it is inconceivable that any kind of mass protest movement strong enough to derail the coming war will arise from among the somnolent American people. The majority of Americans will grudgingly accept the war -- if they do not openly support it -- as long as it does not directly and immediately affect them. Only a ground invasion, with conscript troops, would spread the direct pain throughout American society. That's why the aggression will be based on air and naval power (along with the secret armies and death squads and mercenaries of America's covert forces.) The destruction of countless thousands of innocent people -- and the vital infrastructure to support the lives of millions more -- will simply be a dazzling light show on the nation's TV screens, complete with glitzy graphics and dramatic music.



http://www.chris-floyd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1225&Itemid=135%20

Down in the Flood: The Senate's Blank Check for War on Iran


As you may know -- unless you rely on the corporate media for your news, of course -- yesterday the U.S. Senate unanimously declared that Iran was committing acts of war against the United States: a 97-0 vote to give George W. Bush a clear and unmistakable casus belli for attacking Iran whenever Dick Cheney tells him to.

The bipartisan Senate resolution – the brainchild (or rather the bilechild) of Fightin' Joe Lieberman – affirmed as official fact all of the specious, unproven, ever-changing allegations of direct Iranian involvement in attacks on the American forces now occupying Iraq. The Senators appear to have relied heavily on the recent New York Times story by Michael Gordon that stovepiped unchallenged Pentagon spin directly onto the paper's front page. As Firedoglake points out, John McCain cited the heavily criticized story on the Senate floor as he cast his vote.

<snip>

This vote is the clearest signal yet that there will be no real opposition to a Bush Administration attack on Iran. This is yet another blank check from these slavish, ignorant goons; Bush can cash it anytime. This is, in fact, the post-surge "Plan B" that's been mooted lately in the Beltway. As you recall, there was much throwing about of brains on the subject of reviving the "Iraq Study Group" plan when the "surge" (or to call it by its right name, the "punitive escalation") inevitably fails. Bush put the kibosh on that this week ("Him not gonna do nothin' that Daddy's friends tell him to do! Him a big boy, him the decider!"), but that doesn't mean there isn't a fall-back position – or rather, a spring-forward position: an attack on Iran, to rally the nation behind the "war leader" and reshuffle the deck in Iraq.


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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:40 AM
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1. Better fucking not do it.
That's all.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:40 AM
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2. The act also specifically states that it is not permission to take military
action against Iran.

Not an insignificant point, I would think.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:41 AM
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3. The country is drifting to another war
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 08:46 AM by seemslikeadream
http://64.27.15.184/parchive/mp3/kpfk_070826_110100bbriefing.mp3

Bush's Inconceivable Interest in Iran Sat Apr-01-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=819437

Senior U.S. Officials “Want to Hit Iran” Tue Apr-04-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=844418

Larisa Alexandrovna: CHENEY TAPS IRANIAN ARMS DEALER FOR IRAN TALKS Thu Apr-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=977234

Seymour Hersh said something startling about Rumsfeld on Democracy Now Fri Aug-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1936421

So former DLC, PNAC member Abram Shulsky feeding Cheney info on Iran? Sat Aug-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1944614

Fuck. Iran has started "war games." Escalation may only be expected. Sun Aug-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1949812

Attack on Iran is Coming Sun Aug-27-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1993284

"Grave threat". Yes, it's deja vu all over again. Thu Aug-31-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2022620

UN attacks US nuclear report on Iran erroneous misleading unsubstantiated Sun Sep-17-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2159951

We Are Conducting Military Operations Inside Iran Right Now Tue Sep-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2168218

Navy told: Prepare to blockade Iran by Oct 1 Mon Sep-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2161779

Pentagon Iran Office Mimics Former Iraq Office Wed Sep-20-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2179484

“This is the largest massing of military power in the region, and it is gathering for a reason.” Sat Nov-18-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2753952

Seymour Hersh: Cheney Says 'Whether Or Not Dems Win-NO STOPPING Military Option With Iran' Sun Nov-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2757350

Does anyone still believe the US will launch a full scale invasion of Iran? Mon Dec-04-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2856177

Saudi clerics rally support for Sunnis and Saudi ambassador Abruptly Resigns Tue Dec-12-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2902643

Act III in a Tragedy of Many Parts - The US Occupation of Iraq Sun Dec-17-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2935498

Century Foundation Iran White Paper Series Fundamentalists, Pragmatists and the Rights of the Nation Tue Dec-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2948146

Oh shit Tue Dec-19-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2944423


Prelude to an Attack on Iran "There will be an attack on Iran." ROBERT BAER
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1625957

The Long String of “Coincidences” on Our Road to War and its Cover-up
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1634369

Reply #33: Beating Louder on Iran Bush's War Drums
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=165702&mesg_id=170402

Bolton: I ‘Absolutely’ Hope The U.S. Will Attack Iran In The Next ‘Six Months’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1640855

Former CIA Officer: US to Attack Iran Within 6 Months
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1633512

Iranian helicopter downed in Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1621191

Kurds flee homes as Iran shells villages in Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1621227

Read Chris Floyd: "Project Management: Bushists Through the Looking-Glass on Iran Charges"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1616482

This will be my last post in the foreseeable future about the coming attack on Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1601993

Michael Ledeen's Dangerous Iran Obsession
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1612651

Worth a mention. JoeforClark? was worried about the Kurds,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1604939

Cheney urging strikes on Iran: McClatchy Newspapers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1573102

Of Chertoff, Cheney, Radioactive Trucks and Tinfoil...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1556240

S. commander says Iraqi cleric Sadr in Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1560971

A New Tactical Twist in the Coming War on Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1562014

Bush Cheney launch coordinated campaign to pin Iraq's troubles on IRAN
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1554535

After Propagating False Iraq Intel, NYT’s Michael Gordon Now Echoing Bush Claims On Iran
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1544525

Iran Promotes US War with Turkey
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1463997

B-2s being fitted for Bunker Buster Bomb - FOR IRAN???
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1414759

Kurdish officials in northern Iraq say they fear a full-scale invasion
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1411790

U.S. Funding Armed Groups to Overthrow Iranian Government:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1603806


A Hegemonic Hubris More War on the Horizon By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1656303

Iran Freedom Support Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1659784

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFowNFvmUxw

I've been waiting for something to happen
For a week or a month or a year
With the blood in the ink of the headlines
And the sound of the crowd in my ear
You might ask what it takes to remember
When you know that youve seen it before
Where a government lies to a people
And a country is drifting to war

And theres a shadow on the faces
Of the men who send the guns
To the wars that are fought in places
Where their business interest runs

On the radio talk shows and the t.v.
You hear one thing again and again
How the u.s.a. stands for freedom
And we come to the aid of a friend
But who are the ones that we call our friends--
These governments killing their own?
Or the people who finally can't take any more
And they pick up a gun or a brick or a stone
There are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire

Theres a shadow on the faces
Of the men who fan the flames
Of the wars that are fought in places
Where we cant even say the names

They sell us the president the same way
They sell us our clothes and our cars
They sell us every thing from youth to religion
The same time they sell us our wars
I want to know who the men in the shadows are
I want to hear somebody asking them why
They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are
But they're never the ones to fight or to die
And there are lives in the balance
There are people under fire
There are children at the cannons
And there is blood on the wire
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:00 PM
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37. *Bookmarked. * This is a formidable compilation of information.
Every congressman and media outlet ought to be emailed a link to this list.

And here's another excellent effort to document-- a timeline well underway at the Center for Cooperative research:

US Confrontation with Iran
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_plans_to_use_military_force_against_iran&key_events=keyEvents

Your collection would be hugely valuable to them!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:42 AM
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4. we have got to stop this madness, the world will NOT sit idly by
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 08:52 AM by alyce douglas
and watch another country being invaded.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:43 AM
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6. Chris Floyd makes a pretty good argument
that there is nothing we can do. Read the whole thing and weep. It makes me wish more than ever I lived somewhere else.

:(
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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:50 AM
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9. Sorry, but living somewhere else (unless it's a different planet) isn't
going to buy you anything. Once this thing begins it will be the beginning of a non stoppable world war with total devastation to follow.

ww
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:43 AM
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5. Didn't China make a huge oil deal with Iran?
Wouldn't China support Iran against attack?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:45 AM
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7. that is something that bothers me
a lot. No one is making any predictions as to how Russia and China would react. God knows the neocons haven't. Yes China does have an Oil deal as does Russia I believe.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:47 AM
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8. Turkey is on Iran side against the PKK Kurds
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Donkeykick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:51 AM
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10. It Does Make One Wonder, Huh.
Also, one wonders as to how Russia will reply.:wow:
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BlackHawk706867 Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:52 AM
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11. Both China and Russia will support Iran.... Duck and cover is the only answer... ww
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:56 AM
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12. the overwhelming silence of congressional DEMOCRATS..... nt
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:07 AM
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13. Here's another report from yesterday. I don't know if anyone has
posted this or not.

"My friend had spoken to someone in one of the leading neo-conservative institutions. He summarized what he was told this way:
They have "instructions" (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don't think they'll ever get majority support for this--they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is "plenty.""

http://icga.blogspot.com/2007/08/post-labor-day-product-rollout-war-with.html


This is just so fucking scary and frustrating. Is there no way to stop this? Are there no longer any mechanisms or any elected or ministerial persons who will stand up and fight this madness? We simply cannot endure this behavior much longer, the end point is approaching - it must be...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:18 AM
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15. Chris excerpted that in the article I posted
and he concludes...

<snip>

But let us bear witness to the truth while we can still speak the truth: this is murder. And all those who do not speak out against it -- and against all those in high places who do nothing to stop it -- are fully complicit in this abomination. No excuses, no mitigation, not this time. Speak out -- or be damned with the criminals who thrive on your silence. ***
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focusfan Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:15 AM
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14. if congress allows this son of bitch
to start another war with a country that hasn't done nothing
to us then we all are doomed and the world is gone to Hell
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:38 AM
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18. Hell it is, then.
:-( Too bad impeachment is off the table. :banghead:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
57. I think your post sums it up nicely.
Yes, the world has gone to hell.
Hang on.
The train is about to jump the tracks
and hurl into the abyss-
and you know what?
There's apparently not a damned thing we can do about it.
BHN
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:26 AM
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16. Fuck the majority in Congress
who would give their approval for the buSHITS TO BOMB ANOTHER COUNTRY.. Just FUCK 'EM.

Time to get those murderous assholes out of our congress and send people who THE FUCK KNOW WHAT IS GOIN' ON.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:33 AM
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17. more insight on this from Arthur Silber here ->
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:48 AM
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19. bomb bomb bomb bomb iran! sang bush
as he cut off the hand of the general to use his index finger to push the button to launch the icbm's to start ww3!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:51 AM
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20. Torches and Pitchforks if this happens. n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:59 AM
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21. The Whack Iran Lobby- NAMES and Groups. Should all feel VERY FAMILIAR.
I journaled this entry for DU about a year ago. It seems useful and appropriate to point it out again. Bush still has lots of friends and ready allies on this front.

"Meet the 'Whack Iran' Lobby ". Names & Groups (Mother Jones)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2871945


I also journaled September 2006 about the passage of IFSA the very night it passed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2854687
"Here it is: HR 6198- Iran Sanctions & Regime Change Bill passed last nite- Voice Vote"

I found it very ominous, was also rather perplexed by Harry Reid's interesting manueverings and silence, and while I could find very little to no awareness of it at the time on the "big blogs", I was sure we at DU would seize on a huge dialogue of our own about its possible meanings. I was so wrong. I had to beg and beg for any interest or visibility on the topic. (thank you again to those who did take time to add and help) (K/R's)

What I'm lamenting, somewhat bitterly, I guess, is that while we have plenty of posters (far more articulate and better versed at commanding attention to important subjects than I've ever been), it's been so hard to get broad hard DU attention to what our Congress is up to, what they were in fact up to more than a year ago with respect to Iran, until we are almost right up to the very eve of a very possible and frightening prospect, unthinkable as it still seems to remain to so seeming many.

If a significant portion of us right here on the left still, even now, want to remain somewhat blind and impervious to the years of writing on the wall, with our permanent bases and Congress's continued funding, with Bush's own words of just the other day in many ways the epitomy of that writing, how in god's name can we hope to jar the conscious attention of the rest of sleep-walking America? Kudos to leftchick-- and kudos to all those DU'ers-- who persist in their attempts to drive awareness of the facts and reality around this topic home while the clock still continues to tick... all too fast and relentlessly now.


Kick and recommend!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:03 PM
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26. just like vampires the necons have risen again
Damn! Great article thank you. How fucking sad that congress lets the neocons/AIPAC destroy our country.

<snip>

Meet the "Whack Iran" Lobby
Exiles peddling shaky intelligence, advocacy groups pressing for regime change, neocons bent on remaking the Middle East. Sound familiar?

Daniel Schulman
October 06 , 2006

Exiles peddling back-channel intelligence, upstart advocacy groups pressing for regime change, administration hawks intent on remaking the Middle East—the scene in Washington is looking eerily familiar as the Iran standoff grows more tense. Instead of Ahmad Chalabi, we have the likes of Iran-Contra arms-dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar. A new Iran directorate inside the Pentagon features some of the same people who brought you the Iraq intel-cherrypicking operation at the Office of Special Plans. Whether calling for outright regime change or pushing “democracy promotion” initiatives to undermine the Iranian government, an expanding cast of characters has emerged to promote confrontation between the U.S. and Iran. What follows is an abridged list of the individuals and organizations agitating to bring down the mullahs.

Abram Shulsky

An acolyte of political philosopher Leo Strauss, one of the intellectual forbears of the neoconservative movement and an advocate of the “noble lie,”—the notion that deception is morally acceptable when used by a wise, but misunderstood elite--Shulsky headed the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans, which trafficked in faulty intelligence on Iraq (including information from Ahmad Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress) and circumvented the CIA to “stovepipe” WMD intelligence directly to the White House. As Laura Rozen reported in the Los Angeles Times in May, Shulsky, along with two former OSP staffers, John Trigilio and Ladan Archin, is now involved with the Pentagon’s Iran directorate. Already there are fears that the office has become a conduit for Iranian expatriate and one-time arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iran-Contra figure whom the CIA deemed a fabricator as far back as 1984. In a 1999 paper called “Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence,” co-authored with the American Enterprise Institute’s Gary Schmitt, Shulsky writes that “Strauss's view certainly alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception.”

Elizabeth Cheney

The vice president’s eldest daughter’s official title is Vice Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs; in that capacity, Cheney, until her maternity leave earlier this year, oversaw the State Department’s Iran-Syria Operations Group, whose mission is to aggressively push democracy promotion campaigns. Sometimes referred to as the agency’s “democracy czar,” Cheney had no Middle East assignments before being appointed to her current post, which involves launching a $85 million democracy promotion/propaganda campaign targeting Iran. At Foggy Bottom, she “has not shied away from throwing her weight around,” according to the American Prospect, and has been said to operate a “shadow Middle East policy.” She rarely speaks publicly or grants interviews; in an appearance at the Foreign Policy Association in 2005, she called Iran “the world’s leading sponsor of terror. No word on when and in what capacity Cheney will return from her leave.

David Wurmser

Long before being recruited to the Pentagon from the American Enterprise Institute following September 11, Wurmser was one of the loudest voices calling for Saddam Hussein's ouster. During the 1990s he co-authored a strategy paper—intended as advice to then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—with a string of neoconservatives including Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, and his wife, Meyrav, a Middle East policy wonk at the Hudson Institute. It suggested “removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq... as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions” and advancing Israel's. As Mother Jones reported, Wurmser was also the “founding participant of the unnamed, secret intelligence unit at the Pentagon, set up in Feith's office, which would be the nucleus of the Defense Department's Iraq disinformation campaign that was established within weeks of the attacks in New York and Washington.” He served as an assistant to John Bolton at the State Department before becoming one of the Vice President's Middle East advisors. Less than two weeks after September 11, Wurmser described discontent within Iran as “a strategic opportunity” for the U.S.

Elliott Abrams

Since his return to public service after pleading guilty to two misdemeanor counts for withholding information from Congress as it probed the Iran-Contra scandal (he was later pardoned by President George H. W. Bush), Abrams has been a key player in shaping the Bush administration’s Middle East agenda. In 2005, he was tapped as deputy national security adviser and is now responsible for pushing the administration’s reform agenda in the Middle East. A founding member of the neocon think tank Project for the New American Century, Abrams joined Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeldin signing a 1998 letter to Bill Clinton urging regime change in Iraq. Abrams has written that “our military strength and willingness to use it will remain a key factor in our ability to promote peace.”
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:35 PM
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22. The BLUNT TRUTH IS - CONGRESS IS NOW OUR ENEMY.
They dumped us just as Cheney, our military brass, our corporations dumped us. The reverends all helped.

Support OUR Troups? We always did. They are our kids.

BUT WHO SUPPORTED US - PEOPLE AGAINST KILLING MASSACRES, TORMENT & TORTURE, PROFITEERING FROM WAR - USING OUR MONEY IN THE MOST UNCHRISTIAN WAY IMAGINABLE. JUST WHO IS SUPPORTING US?

CONGRESS + TRAITORS = TRAITORS ALL.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:36 PM
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33. I wish I could recommend your post.
No clearer truth has ever been spoken. They can still snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, but right now they look like treasonous bastards.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:19 PM
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23. kick. n/t
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:37 PM
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24. It's scary
It's scary to think our last hope is that the military will refuse to do it. WTF have we come to that BOTH parties are willing to concede anything to a madman.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:49 PM
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25. Fuck Congress If They Allow This.
:mad:
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 07:39 PM
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27. 1 Possible Deterrant=Chinese made computer chips in ALL US planes, ships etc
US Military's concern that since all computer chips for US military systems have been outsourced/manufactured by China (how stupid or fortunate is this ) that China has created ways to kill all chips through EMF pulses (frequency specific depending on type of system - as they so effectively did last year w/ our satellite over North Korea--we were the last to know that NK had fired a nuclear capable missle when China aimed a frequency specific pulse to the chips they manufactured in our spy satellite.

The other possibility is spaceship mass evacuations discussed for quite awhile on http://www.operationterra.com/News/index.html

Op Terra was quiet the first few months of this year, are now issuing urgent Bulletins, preparing people for global war and friendtly ET assistance when the time arrives (soon it seems)....We will be lifted off (if wish) and effectively go from 3D consciousness to 4D and back to the full consciousness that we were in B/4 this hair- raising adventure called life on Earth!!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:11 PM
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28. Interesting!
Since The U.S. has been basically pissing off China lately I could see something like that happening. I'm sure that they have prepared themselves in this way. It certainly makes sense. I think an Iran attack would be a bad move on their part in more ways then one.

And interesting site you posted, I will check it out. :)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:16 PM
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:18 PM
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30. we did at least once
in 2000. :(
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:22 PM
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31. we are living in a nightmare.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:06 PM
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58. Indeed, we are living a nightmare.
formally called the "American Dream."
BHN
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:26 PM
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32. IMPEACH CONGRESS FIRST!
if they authorize and support yet another catastrophic misadventure, the whole lot of them need to be sent packing.

it's one thing not to impeach some lame ducks in the white house. it's another to entangle us in still one more morass of a foreign policy debacle that will serve only to funnel money into the corporate war machine and further drive up oil prices.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:41 PM
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34. Just got home -- here's a quick k & r! (nt)
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:48 PM
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35. For about 2 years we've seen posts predicting an imminent invasion of Iran.
Why should we believe this one when it isn't really any different than all of the past ones which were wrong?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:21 PM
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41. Because this IS their plan. It's been their plan for years. THEY will decide when the time is right,
and when the time is right, they WILL execute it.

The Lebanon war last summer ended up being a setback -- the surprise strength of the Hizbullah's resistance was a factor they hadn't counted on. That's why they kept doing everything they could to forestall a ceasefire -- their original hope was that the Lebanon operation would open the way for them to move forward with the long-planned attack on Iran.

It didn't quite work out that way, of course. But all that meant is they went back to the drawing board to find another angle. And we've been witnessing the new angle for many months now: the constant drumbeat of statements that Iran is supplying weapons to insurgents in Iraq.

If you haven't noticed the uptick in the propaganda campaign against Iran in the past year, then you REALLY haven't been paying attention. And if you haven't been paying attention, then maybe you ought to start.

SOME of us have been paying very careful attention for a long time and have been connecting the dots and posting our observations -- despite all those who would prefer to take refuge in denial.

The intention to "do" Iran has been very clear -- it's just a matter of their choosing the time. And with so many people dismissing the idea that they would actually put their plans into motion, it just smooths the way for them to do it whenever they decide to. No one will stop them.

sw
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:59 PM
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36. Bush: "I have authorized our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran's murderous activities."
(From his speech on 8/28 to the 89th Annual Convention of the American Legion)

The chimperor is laying it right out in front of us -- and this is exactly what the neocons/Cheneyites have done all along: they ALWAYS tell us what they intend to do. But -- because the stuff they're saying is always so fucking insane and outrageous -- they can count on just about everybody to ignore and/or poo-poo their statements.

And then they blithely go ahead and do exactly what they've said they're going to do. And NO ONE stops them!

Even on DU, there are still legions of folks who continue to insist that all the warnings we've been posting are just paranoid 'chicken little' utterances of no consequence: "Yeah, yeah, you've been warning us about an attack on Iran for YEARS now and it hasn't happened. Why should we believe you?"

I don't want an "I told you so" moment once the bombs start falling. But it becomes more and more clear by the day that that's all we'll get. The bombs will fall, thousands of people will be murdered -- because no one will have done anything to forestall it.

sw

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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:58 PM
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54. "And NO ONE stops them!"
Mostly because nobody sane actually believes they would go as far as they plan to go. I'm giving serious consideration to the idea that, in some fashion, Bush will NOT leave office as intended when it is time. ESPECIALLY if we're in a war with Iran. He won't let himself be replaced, unless it's by an ideological clone- and nobody else is as insane as he is.

Which, again, is why many are reading my post and thinking, "Is this guy nuts? Of course Bush will leave at the end of his term- it's right there in the Constitution!" What they refuse to accept is the possibility that he could even try, because, why, nobody would. Just like nobody sane would invade Baghdad. Just like nobody sane would ignore a hurricane. Just like nobody sane would consider invading Iran.

I have zero faith that Bush won't keep fucking us over. I have 100% faith that he will be allowed to continue to do so, because "it can't happen here".

:puke:
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:04 PM
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38. I will bet a thousand dollars
that we will not engage in hostilities against Iran before the end of 2007. in fact, I will give you 3:1 odds, your thousand gets you three thousand. by hostilities I mean using bombers, cruise missiles or other offensive weapons to attack military, economic or political targets inside the Islamic Republic of Iran.

anyone want in? seriously. When I win your $1,000, I will even give you the chance to double down, also at 3:1, for 2008. I am that confident this is not going to happen. this offer stands for all replies posted between now and September 15, 2007 (or the commencing of hostilities, should it happen before that date)

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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:28 PM
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43. Bush and Cheney couldn't give a rat's ass about '08 Republican Elections
if that's what you're suggesting. We aren't dealing with rational thinkers and foreign policy statesmen here. Both of them left the paved highway a LONG time ago.

How many years did Dick Cheney still go fucking on and on and ON about al-queda in Iraq al-queda in Iraq al-queda in Iraq al-queda in Iraq al-queda in Iraq al-queda in Iraq al-queda in Iraq al-queda in Iraq--

long after just about every last homo sapien in the United States had figured out what a bunch a shit these men had shoveled out to the world and the US media prior to (and long since!) the invasion?


They are war criminals with one last chance to try to delude a world court of opinion that the responsibility for their spectacular debacle rests elsewhere. To say nothing of all the new endless war fortunes they can go on making for their many pals. It's an irresistable opportunity. Infinitely more appetizing than any prospect of eventually having to live the rest of their lives in Paraguay, a thought that has surely crossed even their own arrogant minds at least once or twice.

I wouldn't be so foolish to put a date certain on it, but I wouldn't dismiss the eventual possibility for one hot second.

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:33 PM
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44. so you are taking the bet?
should we trade paypal information, and transfer the respective balances to an offshore gambling site for verification? you are this certain? where else are you going to triple your money in four months?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:54 PM
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46. Bleechhh.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:57 PM
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48. i will take that as a 'no'?
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 10:59 PM by northzax
boy, you sure are confident in your beliefs, aren't you? I am so confident, I am willing to guarantee my predictions, at 3:1. Are you that confident? or are you just posting panic?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:44 PM
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45. Do you honestly think that those of us sounding these alarms are interested in winning a BET?!?!
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 10:46 PM by scarletwoman
A FUCKING BET on whether massive numbers of innocent civilians are going to be bombed into bloody goo by the insane and monstrous assholes who run our country?!?! Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!

We're not trying to fucking "win" some bullshit contest of who's got the best crystal ball, we're trying to call attention to the REAL WORDS and REAL ACTIONS that are happening, and we're doing it AS THESE THINGS HAPPEN.

Don't pay attention if it annoys you. Go read a Larry Craig thread. It's not as though those of us posting warnings about Iran are taking up all the space in GD...

sw
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:57 PM
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47. it's my way of putting my money where my mouth is
we are not going to bomb Iran. It's not going to happen. you're so convinced it's going to happen, and mock those of us who think it's absurd, this is my way of mocking back.

do you remember the difference between the Boy Who Cried Worf and Cassandra? one was wrong and believed, which led to panic and ruin, the other was right, and disbelieved, which lead to panic and ruin. Which are you?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:25 PM
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50. You are perfectly free, of course, to put your money into the orifice of your choice.
How it is that you feel yourself to have been "mocked" by the OP? (The post you were replying to when you first came on this thread.)

If you were honest, you would notice that it was YOU who mocked first.

And if you had any decency, you would not propose to lay odds over the question of whether or not many thousands of your fellow human beings might be in immanent danger of being murdered.

It seems to me that someone who is open-minded and intellectually curious would, at the very least, want to keep apprised of the latest news and analysis -- if only to have good sources at hand with which to refute the alarm-raisers.

The only thing I want to "win" is the struggle to keep people aware of what's going on.

sw
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:40 PM
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51. ok, you keep sounding the alarm then
let us know when there is something we really should listen to, though. I got it, tap your foot so we know if's a real alarm?

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:42 PM
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52. Off you go then! (nt)
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:56 PM
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53. OMG! WE ARE GOING TO BOMB IRAN TOMORROW!
no wait, I mean the next day. or was it sunday?

but some blogger said so!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:12 AM
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55. Thanks for kicking the thread!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:05 PM
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39. I think Russia, China, Germany, France and a few others will
have something to say about it such as, if you do, we will take out every carrier you have in the Persian Gulf. Then more if you don't stop.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:58 PM
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49. You must not have noticed the French foreign minister making threatening noises to Iran
this past week, apparently.

I certainly haven't heard any demurrals from Germany, perhaps they've cleared their throat recently and I missed it.

And Russia? Russia will do whatever best serves its own interests. It will wait and make the decision of how to react after the fact. It's not going to stick its neck out for a bunch of Iranian civilians and Mullahs.

They are all just as aware as we are of the ongoing anti-Iran propaganda campaign, and in some cases have actively abetted it. They are all already passively abetting it -- have you heard ANY of these coutries just coming straight out and saying, "No Way!" in no uncertain terms?

I'd love to live in a world where saner heads could be counted on to prevail, but I see no evidence whatsoever that we live in such a world.

sw
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Ahpook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:17 PM
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40. I don't know, DU..
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 09:24 PM by Ahpook
All of this seems extremely strange to me. Why would plans to invade be made open? Shouldn't all these plans be secret? Has the internet opened all this up that much? I don't know anymore... it all sounds fucking crazy to me. What the fuck is going on?

And i really doubt they give a damn about protests. That's not to say stop. I think it does change the air around us and anyone that cares for this country. I just feel they laugh at this anymore. Am i wrong in this feeling?

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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:07 PM
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42. Will YOU protest in the streets after we nuke Iran?
Will YOU protest in the streets to demand Congress stop it from happening?
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:35 PM
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56. Because I am stubborn and contrarian, I am kicking this thread. (nt)
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