oh boy, MN. police are releasing the audio tapes of Craig's interrogation.

[AlCzervik]

on MSNBC now.

[LittleClarkie]

1. Feed the cube rats

if you would.

[wicket]

5. YES

:popcorn:

[AlCzervik]

9. See #8.

[malaise]

53. Here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20467347/

[opihimoimoi]

83. The Officer needs a huge PROMOTION and a hefty BONUS...$$$$

He did good.....

Sen Craig is pure BS

[cali]

2. c'mon

clue us in!

[cali]

3. self-delete

[Canuckistanian]

4. The knives are out for Craig, aren't they?

They want him out. Fast.

And by "they", I mean the MSM.

[Robbien]

11. The GOP has given the okay to the press not to suppress the story

otherwise we would be hearing nada. Nada, as in the same way the Vitter story was dropped by the press.

[Elidor]

19. You know, I hadn't thought of that

I wondered why that died down so quick. I wonder why he still has a 55% approval rating at home.

[FredScuttle]

75. I think it's 55% want him to resign

his approval ratings have plummeted.

[0rganism]

109. The other 45% are Democrats

:rofl:

[Robbien]

6. Ha. Craig expected no push back when he made his wild press statements

Ha!

Again Ha!

[TomInTib]

10. Exactly. Mr. Senator thought he was insulated.

Really makes one wonder just what all they get away with.

[CottonBear]

7. Details PLEASE! thank you! n/t

[jtrockville]

69. Here's a LINK to the audio

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=63b5e068-2cb0-427f-a0dd-14b27890336d&f=00&fg=copy

[AlCzervik]

8. playing the miranda rights, he understands his rights.

I sit down to go the bathroom, you said our feet bumped, i scooted over and the next thing i saw was a card saying police. did we bump, i guess we did, i'm not gay, i don't do these kinds of theing, you have to enforce the law but you shouldn't entrap people like this.

Officer-you aren't ebing truthful Senator, i'm disappointed in you.

[AlCzervik]

12. Officer-You aren't a bad person. Craig=I was in the bathroom, our feet bumped

Officer-I could see you your eyes
Craig-I was waiting, they were all busy

[BattyDem]

20. So if all the stalls are full ...

he peeks through the crack of one of the stalls while he waits? :eyes:

We ladies have to wait all the time when using a public restroom. I have NEVER peeked into another stall while waiting, nor has anyone ever peeked into mine. Who does this guy think he's kidding? :shrug:

[Stephanie]

25. that's right

you lean down and look for feet - if you don't see feet, then you can try the door. otherwise, wait! peekign through the cracks is bizarre.

[BattyDem]

32. Well, if we checked Craig's stall ...

his feet would have been in the stall next to his, so we may not have realized that his was occupied. :P

[CottonBear]

27. That's right! No women peek. We stand in line and wait our turn.

Women don't peek or do weird things in restrooms. I'm 44, and I've never had anything weird happen to me in a ladies room.

Oy! I had no freaking idea what went on in men's bath rooms. I just assumed they were filthy, stinking shit holes based on the few I've seen.

EWWWW!!!!!! Sex in a public toilet is just downright gross.

[BattyDem]

41. It is gross!

I don't want to touch ANYTHING in there, LOL! I'm always relieved when I walk into a public restroom and discover that everything is automated. Just wave your hand in front of the sensor and the water comes on or the paper towels come out. The automatic flush is the best! :D

[durrrty libby]

44. "Sex in a public toilet is just downright gross."

Agree. What the fuck is wrong with people?

Have they no self respect? It is bad enough that they don't flush, and don't wash their hands,

but this is just beyond all decency. Imagine letting your 12 year old run into the bathroom,

and they come across this nastiness? God...I hate people. They are total pigs.

[LanternWaste]

52. And you would be correct in your assumption.

"I just assumed they were filthy, stinking shit holes based on the few I've seen."

And you would be correct in your assumption. Walking into one at a ball game is an all-out attack on all five senses and a few senses that haven't been discovered yet. :hurts: I can't imagine anyone wanting to get their freak on in one. Maybe it's as John Cleese once said, "Once a philosopher, twice a pervert..."


I'm guessing it's because I'm just downright naive, but I've never seen anything like the Craig scenario go down in a men's room (other than the bathrooms in high school where one could score a loose joint for two bucks, but that was quite some time ago). It seems so... odd to me.

[RandiFan1290]

61. "Women don't...do weird things in restrooms."

http://www.local6.com/news/13567201/detail.html

Women Arrested, Accused Of Bathroom Sex In Front Of Children

Third Woman Photographed Alleged Sex Acts, Police Say

Two women in Seminole County, Fla., are accused of performing sex acts in front of children at a community pool bathroom while a third woman photographed them, according to a police report.

Seminole County sheriff's deputies arrested Emily Hernandez and Johannie Jimenez over the weekend at the Casselberry public bathroom.

A woman told police that she was walking into the bathroom with her children, and noticed Hernandez and Jimenez naked and apparently performing oral sex. She said another woman was photographing the acts.

The pregnant mother said she tried to leave the area with her children but the women would not let her leave. She said she was threatened not to call the police.

[CottonBear]

63. Oy! Let me say that most women don't do weird things in bathrooms. n/t

[loudsue]

92. I've been in public restrooms in 35 states and 3 continents....

NEVER have I seen anything sexually weird going on in a women's room. NEVER. 58 years....nothing.

:kick:

[Danascot]

120. Yeah, but that story is out of Florida

'nuff said

(from an ex-Miamian)

[Danieljay]

77. a whole bunch of 'straight' men seem to prefer it on the way home to their families...

Read a study done years ago about men having sex with other men in public toilets. It was in my 'deviant behavior' class in college. Majority of these men who were interviewed identified as straight men. Now, before I get flamed for associating men having sex with men with deviant behavior, allow me to disclaim any personal belief that men having sex with men is somehow deviant.

That being said, anonymous sex in public bathrooms regardless of who is doing it isn't what I would call healthy. As a matter of fact, I would call it sexual compulsivity and addiction.

[soothsayer]

86. gawd, I'm the only DUer who's ever had sex in a restroom? lord amighty!

with girlfriends, not with strangers, and not when there was another soul around. hell, my GF and I always sneak a kiss in the bathroom at the Food Lion near her place---it's tradition! But you know, in my younger days, I've definitely fooled around in ladies rooms.

[Withywindle]

104. No you're not.

That's what some of my favorite NYC dive bar bathrooms were FOR. Well, that and coke. And heterosexuality was no barrier.

Admittedly, not with someone you picked up IN the bathroom. That's what the rest of the bar was for.

[durrrty libby]

121. "not when there was another soul around" You can't control

if a kid walks into the bathroom while you are occupied.

People have no self respect and no common decency.

It is indeed a world full of shitheads.

[Roon]

103. Ummm, I used to be a janitor in a major mall and office building

and I cleaned a lot of bathrooms. Women are far more messier than men. Tissue everywhere, used tampons/pads, etc.

[0rganism]

113. I hear that -- one summer I worked as a janitor in a public library and damn...

Before that, I'd had the idea (not sure where I got it) that women were somehow neater, cleaner than men, and their bathrooms would reflect this fact. How wrong I was!

I learned to dread cleaning the women's bathrooms. They were a true nightmare.

[Danascot]

119. Let me assure you

that mens room etiquette, while I'm certain is very different from womens rooms, is as proscribed as a kabuki dance (and just as silent).

[LittleClarkie]

42. Oh, I might check for feet. Or catch a glimpse through the crack

But I don't stand there and stare.

Checking underneath for feet is the preferred method.

The only reason I can think of to look through the crack and linger is if he was trying to decide if the guy was his type.

[BattyDem]

54. Oh yeah, we all check for feet

Some people have really nice shoes. :P

[Hepburn]

106. So true....

...most of the time we females stand back at the sinks and wait until a stall frees up. Larry Craig is full of shit if he thinks that anyone believes his BS.

[WolverineDG]

112. I've never had anyone peek into my stall

every lady knows the rules are you bend down & check for feet. If the door's too large for that, you knock. If someone pushes the door, you say "Hey!" or something similar to alert the other person to your presence. :eyes:

dg

[RavensChick]

70. LOL!

"They were all busy"--suuuurrre they were!

If he's gay even though he's denying it, he's the ugliest one I've seen yet!

[AlCzervik]

13. "I'm a wide guy" oh i couldn't make this up i swear.

[tulsakatz]

28. I never did buy that 'wide stance' excuse........

I'm not a small person either but I know when you're in the bathroom, there is a LOT of space between my foot and the person in the other stall!!

That's just ridiculous!!

[RavensChick]

76. I don't buy it either

but most public bathrooms I've been in have more than enough space to do much more than the usual. It's not only ridiculous but it's sick and disgusting!

[tulsakatz]

122. true.......

I also don't buy the fact that he didn't remember what he did with his hands. And that was just a few minutes later when they did the taped interview.....

He knew, he didn't want to remember........

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. The Fact He Didn't Demand A Lawyer Is Telling

eom

[KansDem]

95. Silly! Only Democrats need lawyers, 'cuz if you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to hide!

Republicans don't believe in lawyers (except of the corporate variety). That's why they got rid of habeas corpus, due process, civil rights, and all that quaint Constitution stuff! Republicans believe if you've nothing to hide, then you've nothing to fear!

Just ask Sen. Larry "I should've spoken to a lawyer first" Craig!

[AlCzervik]

15. Officer_when you pick something up your palm would be down, not up.

[CottonBear]

33. What does the palms up hand signal mean? He wasn't asking for TP, that's for sure. n/t

[malaise]

16. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

This is too funny. :rofl:

[goodhue]

17. !

[Philosoraptor]

18. How embarrassing!!!!!!!!!!!111

[AlCzervik]

21. Officer-Have you been successful in these bathrooms before? Craig-I don't seek

these things in bathrooms.

Officer getting pissed now, says Craig is lying to him.

[DURHAM D]

22. Darn - I wish they would wait about 10 days.

I want this thing to dragggggggg out.

[AlCzervik]

23. Arguing over which hand was "reaching". Officer getting mad.

[AlCzervik]

24. ok folks sorry about the lousy transcription, tapes all done but i'm sure, no i know

they'll be all over the internets soon.

[TwilightGardener]

26. Thanks!

[Robbien]

31. Thanks chimps

with your help I believe we got the gist of it.

[AlCzervik]

35. the most twilight zone moment of my entire internets adventure.

good lord whats next--wait don't answer i'm already afraid.

[CottonBear]

38. Who knew what happens...in the men's room..in the Twilight zone....? Bwahahahaha!

:rofl:

[RavensChick]

99. You're not alone!

:scared:

[CottonBear]

34. Thank you for this informative and entertaining thread! n/t

[BattyDem]

36. Thank you!

:hi:

[rodeodance]

40. no doubt

[RavensChick]

90. That's okay.

You're doing a great job painting the picture. At least it'll give folks plenty to talk about over the weekend.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

29. there must be video of this interview.

[Elidor]

30. Artist's rendering of Craig's career:

[rodeodance]

37. ok but also a painting of Craig in a toilet bowl would be illustrative. te he

[RavensChick]

91. n/t

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hepburn]

107. .....

:rofl:

[0rganism]

110. all that needs now is a toilet bowl around the forked toast

[AlCzervik]

39. Tape being replayed on MSNBC right now.

[rodeodance]

43. I wonder if he will be a show next week on the Senate floor?

[AlCzervik]

45. my guess is he quits tomorrow night after the usual newsdump so i misses

the friday news cycle.

[RavensChick]

93. It could happen

That would be an interesting end to the week and the month with this sicko resigning.

[ecstatic]

46. I hope nobody is persuaded to believe Craig after this

He's spent his entire life lying to people. He is awesome with the craft of lying.

[ecstatic]

50. I'm so proud of that officer for standing up to Craig and his lies nt

[harun]

73. It is pretty impressive that he didn't just let him go (n/t)

[Bluebear]

47. 'I spread my legs when I pull down my pants so they don't slide'?

Is that what he said? :silly:

[Philosoraptor]

49. And I was picking up a piece of T paper off the floor? eeewww.

[Libby2]

114. Yep.......what bullshit.

[CottonBear]

59. Was he sitting or standing? I just don't understand since I'm a girl. n/t

[Philosoraptor]

74. He says he was sitting, yet the cop said he put his left hand under the divider.

[Buns_of_Fire]

85. Men are like dogs. Some are setters, some are pointers.

And now you know more than I'm sure you ever needed to know about the subject. :-)

[CottonBear]

89. Gotcha! Now I'm officially in too much information overload! n/t

[Nomad559]

48. I am recording the replay

I will post the video In about 30 minutes.

:)

[AlCzervik]

51. after listening what i noticed the most was that Craig wasn't proclaiming

his innocence, it was like he just didn't agree on the details.

[H2O Man]

55. He even

accused the cop of entrapment.

[Joanne98]

64. Thanx

[Withywindle]

56. Now that was a well-stocked buffet of TMI!!

:rofl:

schadenfreude a la mode for dessert.

[Philosoraptor]

57. "Farewell Senator Craig"....on Bartcop....

[napi21]

58. Also going to play it on the Situation Room! Bet ys $100 Craig is gone before

the weekend is over!

[AlCzervik]

60. Would you go vote in my poll?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3488076

[napi21]

67. Did it. Would have before, but I missed it somehow. Sorry. n/t

[RavensChick]

94. Just did.

It's a no-brainer. He's history before the roads get jammed at rush hour.

[Elidor]

62. Audio is up on the msnbc homepage n/t

[Joanne98]

65. link?

[Elidor]

71. msnbc.com

It's a javascript popup, rather than a direct link.

I can't get it to play, though. Must be getting hammered.

[goodhue]

66. Transcript here

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/Craigtranscript.pdf

[AlCzervik]

72. thank you.

[Disturbed]

78. The Rethugs want to get rid of this guy right now.

If the Gov. of Idaho was a Dem, the Rethugs would be defending Craig with every BS excuse under the sun. Since another Rethug will be appointed this guy is expendable & his stink has to be fumigated ASAP. In a month that stink will be gone so that the Rethugs can once again crow about their faux "Family Values".

[Philosoraptor]

68. They're playing it for the third time in half an hour!!!!!!111

[cboy4]

79. I can't believe some Duers are calling this entrapment.

The people who are doing so are clearly, with all due respect, ignorant about the legal definition of entrapment and subsequent case law.

[soothsayer]

87. well, they mean it's almost a thought crime because he never took it out

as Elaine might say on Seinfeld

[RavensChick]

96. I don't think it's entrapment

just some sick ass repug caught with his drawers at his ankles trying to cop a feel with an undercover in a men's room. I agree totally that the cops were just doing their job trying to get sickos like him off the streets, whether or not the suspects are in office or an average joe. If you do the crime, you gotta do the time, even the court of public opinion convicts before the jury does.

[cboy4]

117. I know. I've spent the day listening to conservatives I work

with try to downplay everything by bringing up a couple of Democratic names from decades and decades ago.

And then you should have heard them go ape shit when I said the Republican elephant should be replaced with a public bathroom toilet stall.

I have to admit I enjoyed seeing their blood pressure go up, much like Craig's you know what.

[goodhue]

80. Craig starts out on a bad foot when protesting "You solicited me."

It kind of makes his subsequent bickering about glancing in stall and reaching down with hand all the more pathetic.

[AlCzervik]

81. he didn't even sound pissed, if that was me and i knew it was not true i wouls

have been at least angry and demanding a lawyer.

[goodhue]

82. I have not heard it yet, just read transcript

[RavensChick]

98. Then that explains that he put his foot in his mouth

by saying that. Does'nt he watch Law & Order?

[TahitiNut]

116. He says that at the very beginning. WHY?

I'm 64 years old and, until this broke, I would have NO IDEA whatsoever that anything about this meant "solicitation." Naive? I guess. If someone tapped the foot (like Craig did, not the cop), I probably wouldn't think anything of it and, if I did, I'd think they were listening to an iPod with earphones.

Just WHAT the f*ck made that thought, in the form of an accusation, enter Craig's head?? :wtf:

Also, at the very beginning, he proclaims he's "not gay." Just what the hell made THAT claim make any sense? If, for some bizarre reason, I were to have some cop in an adjacent stall put me under arrest, the absolute LAST thing I'd say is "I'm not gay."

Let me correct that. I doubt I'd say it at all. For any reason.

I once took a vacation in Tahiti with a good (male) friend. We shared a room and did a LOT of scuba diving. Apparently, as I was told by one of the scuba instructors I knew from a prior trip (a fellow Viet Nam veteran) that some folks thought we were gay. I replied that it was of no concern to me. He laughed. At that point, I guess I became a "closet heterosexual" since I neither felt it was insulting nor did I waste any of my time correcting perceptions. It's a "so what?" kinda thing.

It just makes no sense ... other than if Craig is a really, truly twisted fuck. Hell ... his sexual orientation is just plain irrelevant.

What a jerk!

[opihimoimoi]

84. The Sen is DOOMED...the audio is a KILLER

He is using a Gonzo "I don't recall...."

[CottonBear]

97. The "I don't recall...." jumped right out at me. Standard Republic answser n/t.

[soothsayer]

88. the cop shouldn't yell at him, should he? but he does regain his composure

[in_cog_ni_to]

100. Craig's TOAST!

:bounce:

[Philosoraptor]

101. Burnt to a crispy crunchiness.

[H2O Man]

102. He was not

in a good position to cast stones at the police department this week. Very poor judgement on his part.

[Hepburn]

105. Listening to this right now on MSNBC. n/t

[Phrogman]

108. He uses the Rumsfeld technique of lying, ask a question and answer it yourself

The Senator's copying the best lier he's ever met!

[SeattleGirl]

111. Listening to it on Rachel Maddow right now.

Interesting stuff.

[MiniMe]

115. I think Craig pissed off the Mineapolis police department

This is no holds barred now.

[iverglas]

118. frankly, the cop's behaviour was unacceptable

Cops don't get to demand respect, cops don't get to demand that people agree with them, cops don't get to lecture people under arrest about how badly they've behaved or what cops expect from them. Cops don't even get to get all uppity if they think somebody isn't telling them the truth. Cops need to realize it ain't about them, and not pretend it is or try to make it about them.

Cops detect criminal behaviour, arrest people they believe have committed it, and charge them. Sometimes they don't charge them, and it's reasonable to expect a cop to hold some discussion with the person who could be charged to determine whether it is necessary or wise to charge them. Once the charge is laid, if cops need evidence, it is reasonable for them to use interrogation techniques that will elicit it.

Neither one was the case here. The cop had decided to charge, and the cop didn't need evidence. He might have liked a confession, but the things he said didn't really seemed designed to elicit a confession. He was simply berating the person under arrest, while demanding respect from him. If cops want to berate people, they should get a job in a pulpit somewhere; if they want respect, ditto. Cops are not moral authorities, they are public servants, and ought to behave as such. If a person under arrest lies to them, that's part of the job; ditto if a person under arrest calls them names, or does anything else the cops might be offended by. Tough. Suck it up and do the job.