New Time Poll give Edwards 5 Point Lead over HRC in Iowa ! 7 over Obama !

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1657478,00.html

John Edwards is betting that a strong showing in the Iowa caucuses will catapult him into national contention, and so far his strategy in the state is on track. A new TIME poll of likely Iowa caucus goers, taken a week after Edwards' seven-day, 31-stop bus tour of the state, gives Edwards 29% of the vote, five points ahead of Hillary Clinton and seven ahead of Barack Obama. This latest TIME Poll of 519 likely Iowa Democratic caucus goers finds that, among the so-called "second-tier" candidates, Bill Richardson has 11%, with Joe Biden at 5%, Dennis Kucinich with 2%, and Chris Dodd at 1%. (The Poll was conducted August 22 ? 25, 2007. The margin of error is approximately +/- 5 percentage points.)

With the field limited to the top four candidates, Edwards's lead over Clinton widens, to 32% to 24%. Obama was at 22%, with Bill Richardson at 13%. Iowa polls can be unreliable, since only 5% to 10% of voters go to the caucuses; some other recent surveys have Edwards in a dead heat with Clinton and Obama. The race remains wide open, but Edwards's position remains strong.

[Flabbergasted]

1. Democrats want to end the war. Edwards is our guy. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. Democrats want to lift Katrina Victims up. Edwards is our guy n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. Democrats want health care for all. Edwards is our guy n/t

[Flabbergasted]

5. Most importantly Edwards has a very good chance. Edwards is our guy.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. Exactly ! He can be Rudy in Iowa, Wisc, Kentucky, Va, MO

surveyusa.com

[elfin]

4. I am an Edwards' fan -- but hope to see his

margin widen. Maybe it is the corporate ethanol interests (and bucks) driving the Hillary attention plus the Obama attraction of "someone new" to the scene.

Edwards is their best choice to address the middle class issues - hope they see it - for them and for the nation.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. I think the Obama "newness" has fizzled. And Hillary is still Hillary. nt

[earthlover]

26. Hillary is still hillary....yawn....

Her supporters seem to be silent on this poll...

Interesting....maybe if the polls continue to put Edwards ahead, and maybe further ahead....they will simply go away!

Seems is all they want to talk about is polls....so if the polls are negative, what do they have left to talk about?

They certainly have been silent on positive reasons to support her besides inevitability and polls.....

[Colobo]

34. Obama is a wonderful candidate.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. I think so too - let him be John's VP ! nt

[emilyg]

46. Yes he is.

Clinton-Obama. Please God.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

6. Go John!

[DURHAM D]

8. This is like the 23rd time this has been posted today.

The Times article includes another snarky shot at Hillary Clinton by Elizabeth.

If the Edwards don't stop their "co-candidacy" presidential run it will come back to bite them. Or in the alternative, just make Elizabeth the candidate and tell John to take a loving spouse secondary role.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. Hope some else makes it 24. I think her one liners that make

the media are great. They are always spot on. Why not? she wants her husband to win and for people to notice that he's the best.

[DURHAM D]

11. They will not get a pass on this much longer.

I like ELizabeth but I think her mouth runs ahead of what the message managers are trying to do. She is dwarfing John. It really isn't good.

[Lex]

13. "A pass" from whom? The corporate media?

Voters seem not to be worried about it.

[DURHAM D]

17. The media. The staff. The other candidates.

But mostly Joe and Helen eating dinner in front of the tv and not yet fully engaged in the process.

Joe says - Why does she always make more sense, take the hard shots, and do most of the talking?

Helen says - Because she is a woman and is better at explaining things.

Joe responds - Well why does she have to do all of his work for him - isn't he the one who is running for President? Is he hiding behind her ...

Helen says - Well, she is interested in the issues and ...

Joe responds - Is this run for the presidency his idea or her idea? I am beginning think it is her dream. Will she actually be making the decisions and things? Doesn't it look like she wears the pants in the family?

Why do I know this - I have already heard it.

[Lex]

18. People seem to love Elizabeth Edwards

and if she out front and center its because it's helping not hurting.

Tons of people identify with her.

I'm sure the campaign has done some internal polling on this.

Not to worry.

[DURHAM D]

20. Even if they have done that poll (which I doubt)

who is going to tell the candidate, much less the candidate's wife if the results are not as you assume.

I think the campaign's biggest problem is their message management. Some of it belongs at the feet of Joe Trippi but the candidates are also a problem.

Just for the record - this Times poll is a few days old. Newer ones out today have very different results.

However, I won't worry.

[saracat]

21. Like Hillary isn't afraid of Bill dwarfing her? Get real Both are using their spouses.

MaybeHillary should make sure Bill isn't quoted or get too much attention! And if not for Bill ,Hillary wouldn't even be Senator! Talk about friends in high places.

[DURHAM D]

22. Haven't seen much of Bill during her campaign.

She really isn't using him yet.

But when he does surface he won't be taking cheap shots at the other families or candidates.

As for that Senator thing - if she hadn't married Bill she probably would have stayed in N.Y. after law school - taken the senate seat in '80 that D'Amato got (maybe '86) and run for President long before now.

As for her marriage to Bill - I always thought she married him for his good looks and he married her for her political connections.

[saracat]

28. She was never a New Yorker.Hillary is from Chicago! So if anything it would

be Obamas seat if she weren't still a Republican.She and her family were all Illinois Repugs And she didn't go to law school in NY.She went to Yale in New Haven Conn.Maybe she would be Lieberman? I think she married Bill because she fell in love enough to give up her ambitions.Bill married her because he could talk to her.I think they like one another.JMHO
And Bill HAS been out already.Made one commercial and has been around the country making appearances and raising money just like Elizabeth Edwards. I have met him at several events. And he will get "snarky about other candidates" as time goes on.He has already made some veiled comments!

[DURHAM D]

29. And where did she take her first bar? eom

[saracat]

32. I don't remember.Likely it would have been Conn. Usually it is in the state you

went to law school.My parents took ther's in NY as that was where they went to school and lived. Dunno.But Hillary was not a New Yorker even if she took the bar there.She also must have taken the bar in Arkansa as she practiced there. I also thought she first went to DC after law school then Arkansas.

[DURHAM D]

36. Sorry - she took the New York bar first.

She was working in NY.

In addition, she was a Dem long before she met Bill. You might want to review her resume. Most are shocked at her early political/campaign work for Dems. It just doesn't fit the made up story line so many have embraced.

[saracat]

38. That may be so.But that doesn't make her a New Yorker and she did in fact

come from a Republican family and was in fact a Goldwater girl.I will have to look through her book ( which I was never able to finish, too boring) to find when she became a Dem.It might have been in college or when she did some community service work.I just do not remember.I would not be surprised if her metamorphosis took place before Bill.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. haha - couldn;t finish it either - too self absorbed.

[DURHAM D]

44. I was also a Goldwater girl and I am from a staunchly

Republican family. So what.

My first campaign was for Eisenhower - traveled all over with my grandfather to campaign for Ike. Being a liberal midwesterner meant being a Repub because the Dems, without question, represented the ugly face of segregation in the 50s and early 60s. Many young people that leaned left made the same choice. Remember your liberal Republican Senator Jacob Javits? How about Senator Brooke from Massachusetts - only black Senator and a Republican.

If you haven't walked in our shoes be careful where you step.

[saracat]

47. I don't have to be careful where I step. My parents were Republican

because it was necessary in upstate (Westchester) to be Republican.Fortunately, I had a famous Democratic grandfather and by their platform, my parents would be Dem today! My Dad voted both times for Clinton!And for Carter.When I was little I was phoographed with Nixon but my parents were friends with Kennedy.I have walked in those shoes, but not by choice.

[DURHAM D]

48. Your post proves my point.

Political parties change positions.

[saracat]

50. They are different in different areas too.We had the Rockefeller Republicans

who would be Democrats today.But watching Hillary on Letterman, she appears to embrace her Republican values far more than her Democratic values.In fact she didn't mention Democratic values at all but claimed the Republican ones were the foundation of her life and she said that had not changed.She will not get my vote.I was not impressed.Sorry.

[earthlover]

30. Ok....if Elizabeth is silenced, so should the Big Dog....fair enough?

So many double standards.....Hillary supporters want to say what Elizabeth can and cannot say, but they don't say anything about using Bill for what he is worth....

[saracat]

35. Good enough!

I wouldn't want to see either "silenced though.But Big Dog is an unfair advantage but politics isn't "fair' and Edwards can handle it!

[Spiffarino]

53. No way. Big Dog's not a girl and he doesn't have to shut up!

:sarcasm:

[Spiffarino]

52. Only 23? I should start a new one.

:bounce:

[Gabi Hayes]

12. If only he hadn't built that expensive house!

quick. how much did Mitt's VACATION home cost? have you ever heard word one about that?

http://mediamatters.org/columns/200708280004?f=h_column

[Lex]

14. How many "Edwards is sunk!!!1" OPs have there been in the last

six months here?

Pretty funny.

[Flabbergasted]

15. I wonder if a consensus is building of dems who actually vote in the primary

and in the end we will see Hillary's defeat. It's looking like it.

[Gabi Hayes]

16. yep. I don't think the M$M has gone after any dem as long and hard as they have

against Edwards.

remember what happened to Dean when he jumped out ahead....then, as soon as they did him in, and Kerry assumed the mantle, they turned their sights on him.

you know that's exactly what's going to happen this time

[elfin]

19. Hey - you need a big second home

if you are Pres. He is just thinking ahead, as well as reaping the good rewards of great work on behalf of those injured by the "corporate system" clients.

He is a good guy - and you are absolutely right about not hearing about the other candidates homes.

[Gabi Hayes]

37. I heard Eric Boehlert talking about this today. he said it would most likely HELP Romney,

because it would show folks in his vacation state that he was tied to them somehow, how it never hurts repuplicans to talk about how much money they have, or how much money they raise, but the media (mostly the 'liberal media') never lose a chance to bash dems for raising lots of money, if that's somehow a symbol of them losing touch with their base

!!!!

sad, but true.

when dems finally wise up and treat the media as the sworn enemy they are, somewhat in the manner the repubs have so cynically pretended that the 'lib media' is against them, and hoodwinked the news consuming sheeple of this huge lie, perhaps they'll have a chance, rather than allowing the terms of the debate to ALWAYS be set by the pugs and their media courtesans

I'm so tired of them taking all the lying liars and their lies lying down. but what can you do when you're achordate?

[HughMoran]

23. Nice - you go Edwards!

I'd love to have him as a winner here in NH too!

That would be a nice upset IMHO.

[David Zephyr]

24. I wrote about this on Monday. Folk, Edwards is rising and he's worked hard for it.

"Don't be surprised if John Edwards doesn't start seeing a rise in his poll numbers. In fact, I am predicting it." ---- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3482017

[B Calm]

25. This is great news for our country

[usregimechange]

27. Kick!!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

31. ....

:woohoo: :bounce:

[MoonRiver]

33. SWEET!

:woohoo:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. Don't forget. John Beats Rudy in Iowa, KY, VA, MO, and W!

HRC LOSES to Rudy in all those states. She does beat him in NY though. That would hurt to lose NY to a repuke. The whole thing is facinating - how a rudy race changes things. Rudy takes a lot of the conservative dem vote - middle of the roaders - changes the whole dynamic of red blue

see surveyusa.com

[MoonRiver]

41. I don't know how that all balances out in terms of winning the WH.

I just vastly prefer Edwards to Clinton.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. what's bigger than vastly?. that's how I feel :)

I don't know how either - they only had polls for some states - not all. But they know - so why are they trashing hillary and not him>

[The River]

45. We Already Voted For Him and He Won

did he not?
The year was 2004.
We elected him Vice President but the Dick stole it.

He was good enough then
he's better now.

[GreenTea]

49. Edwards is an excellent candidate, with a great progressive platform...People are just

beginning to see and understand the dude is the no bullshit real deal!!

[Spiffarino]

51. The Reich is scared shitless of him

I've been listening through the wall to two very committed Repubs in my office. They're all abuzz about haircuts and SUVs. This tells me that Faux and Limbaugh have opened up both barrels and aimed them at Edwards. Now I know why.

Oh happy day! :evilgrin: