I may have lived sheltered life, and really do not care for the "audio"

[question everything]

detailing the arrest of the Senator, but Olbermann was playing it so... what difference did it make, or what were the implication of whether it was Craig's right hand under the door, or his left?

[msongs]

1. T & A media obsession nt

[Gregorian]

2. His left hand would hardly be found under the stall partition.

His right could have been considered a usual happening. But his left, not so. That's how I see it.

[Skittles]

3. it is unnecessary

absolutely

I also dislike the media's obsession with playing calls to 911

[KoKo]

4. If you have the bandwith watch Keith Olbermann's Dramatization of the Event...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/29/olbermann-re-e...

You won't have questions after that. The transcript of the police report is online everywhere...but Olbermann does a direct dramatization of the Police Report graphically...

[napi21]

5. If it was his right hand, it easily could be explained away with his

story of "I was picking up a piece of paper". If it was his left hand, and the cop was on his right side, then it would have required extra effort on Craig's part, and an apparent deliberate intent to display his ring.

[question everything]

7. OK, I get that. It means a deliberate attempt to do... what?

send a signal that cannot be misinterpreted as casual? And what does the ring have to do with this? I am married so don't count on anything more than a "one stall stand?"

[napi21]

9. Look, I never heard of any of this stuff before the Craig thing.

I'm only relating what I've read on DU and several MSM web sites. I don't know what the significance of the ring is, but apparently it's some kind of advantage. The toe tapping and moving the feet together apparently signify agreement, but many have said this is a very old tactic and seldon used anymore.

To be honest, I've learned more about this than I ever wanted to know!

[mondo joe]

12. From Rex Wockner's blog:

http://wockner.blogspot.com/2007/08/10-million-americans-know-better.html

The police report says Larry Craig peered through the crack (the one that allows the bathroom-stall door to swing) into the undercover police officer's stall for two minutes. This is what cruisers do in T-rooms. They look through cracks.

Larry Craig sat down on a toilet and subtly tapped his foot several times and waited to see if the guy on the other side of the partition subtly tapped his foot in return. This is precisely how T-room cruisers communicate to each other that they're there to hook up rather than to take a dump.

Larry Craig then took his hand, palm upward, and ran it along the bottom of the stall divider so that the individual on the other side of the partition could see Larry's fingers making an inviting "come hither" gesture.

This gesture has a precise meaning and is universally understood in the men's-room cruising scene. It translates, "Get down on your knees and place your penis underneath the partition so I can touch or fellate it."

[question everything]

21. Thanks for the education

I think that I now know more than enough about this "cruising." Yes, I know, I asked for it

:grr:

Just as with Foley I learned alot about text messaging while masturbating..

And the RWers complained that they had to explain to their kids what oral sex meant during the Lewinsky affair.

Let's see them explaining "cruising" to their kids.

Or politicians preaching about "values" while doing exactly the opposite.

[DaveJ]

6. Media clips aren't my thing either but....

The audio clip was worth listening. The significance of the left-hand under the door was clear. It got interesting about 80% of the way thru. The cop said he's not a powerful senator but he knew what happened. The Senator asserted that it was his right hand not his left. The cop said he saw the wedding ring, and he's not stupid. Who do we believe?

[Major Hogwash]

10. Good point about Larry lieing about which hand he was waving at the cop with.

Craig was wearing his wedding band - on his left hand.
Yet, he told the cop that he wasn't waving under the stall with his left hand, he claimed he was using his right hand.

But, then the cop nailed him on that lie and said I could see your wedding ring, on your left hand!

The more Craig lied about it, the deeper he dug his own hole.

[DaveJ]

13. The Senator was clearly lying unless...

...it happened to be some kind of elaborate setup. I could imagine a conspiracy among Repukes who want to make a strong statement against homosexuality and sacrifice a weak senator in the process. In such a case the cop would have been in on it. Very unlikely, but I wouldn't put anything past them. Regardless, this should instead weaken them in that they will come off as homophobic and un-united no matter what they do.

[mondo joe]

14. That is beyond tin-foil hat. That is just tin-foil nuts. NT

[DaveJ]

15. Okay, thanks for making me feel warm and secure

We are living in a world where there are no bad people who conspire. What a relief. That makes me feel so much better. :sarcasm:

[mondo joe]

16. There are bad people who conspire -- but not usually in such an utterly asinine

self defeating way.

[DaveJ]

18. LOL - I said it was unlikely!

I just want to cover all possible bases so to speak. These F'in Repukes are like cockroaches. You let one thru and a thousand more pop up.

Even if this is not a conspiracy, they will try to make it seem like they made it up in order to make themselves look smart and in-control.

They really ought to just give up. Retire their party altogether, so we can start all over in politics.
Until that happens we are in a dire state.

[mondo joe]

19. Sure. And maybe the Knights Templar are behind it. Maybe Craig is the descendant

of Jesus, and it's all in the DaVinci code.

[question everything]

20. As one commentator said

if this was a setup, if this was a crooked cop - this should have been brought up in a trial. But he chose to plead guilty and not to go to trial...

This may be the route that he has in mind, though, again, expert said that once he pleaded guilty, and he is not an uneducated person who may not understand the meaning of pleading guilty - retracting this may be impossible.

[silverojo]

8. So why not just change the channel?

As for the right versus left hand thing, the cop was trying to catch this guy in a lie.

[mondo joe]

11. If it was his right hand he could claim he was picking something up, or just

dropped his hand for some reason. But if it's his left hand he is clearly going out of his way to "enter" the other stall. In addition, seeing the ring means his hand was wrapped around the bottom of the partition.

[Stephanie]

17. I think he was using his left hand to, um, stroke the bottom of the wall.

You couldn't really do that on the right side of the stall with your right hand. Imitate that sort of, um, motion.