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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:12 PM
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Let’s Get Something Straight about Family Values
This morning there was a discussion on C-SPAN about why Senator Craig’s recent run in with the law has received so much press attention. The C-SPAN host proposed an explanation, the gist of which was that because of the Republican Party’s great concern with “family values”, when a high profile Republican deviates from those “values” it’s a big deal. On the other hand, since Democrats aren’t as concerned about “family values”, when they demonstrate a lack of “family values” it’s no great big deal.

I don’t impute any bad intentions to the C-SPAN host for saying what she did. But such mindless parroting of right wing talking points is difficult for me to bear. Let’s put aside the ridiculous implication that scandals involving Republicans are more publicized than scandals involving Democrats. Brief reflection on Bill Clinton’s or Gary Condit’s ordeals should put that myth to rest – and they weren’t even arrested for anything.

What really burns me up is the implication that “family values” are more important to the Republican Party than to the Democratic Party. As a Democrat and a liberal and a person whose whole adult life has largely revolved around my family, I deeply resent that implication and I feel it’s outrageous that it would even be considered plausible, let alone established fact. The Republicans have managed to position themselves as the Party of “family values” only through the repeated and cunning use of hypocritical rhetoric, with a gigantic assist from the U.S. corporate news media.

Larry Craig says that he’s not a gay man – and indeed he’s not if one goes by the assumption that a person is what his rhetoric says he is. In the same way, the Republican Party is indeed the Party of family values if we judge them solely on their rhetoric. On the other hand, if family values mean taking actions that show you care about families, then that’s quite another story. Let’s consider a few things:


Anti-gay rhetoric and action doesn’t strengthen families

One thing that many Republicans do to cultivate their “pro-family” credentials is use anti-gay rhetoric and legislative actions. They are generally against allowing gays to have sex in the privacy of their own home or adopt children, and in election years they have even tried to pass constitutional amendments against gay marriage.

Since estimates of the incidence of homosexuality in the United States range from 2% to 10%, that means that many U.S. families contain homosexual teenagers. Anti-gay rhetoric has a toxic influence on these families because it contributes to a culture where “It is difficult to imagine just how painful is the agony that young people experience as they deal with the reality of their own sexual orientation and the overt hostility they feel coming from a parent who is unwilling to accept the teenager’s homosexuality.”

But homosexuality poses no threat to families. The American Psychological association has even issued a policy statement saying that there is no evidence that homosexuals are any less effective as parents than heterosexuals, and therefore they oppose “any discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services.”


Health care

As of 2005, 43 million Americans lacked health insurance, and the still rising rate of uninsured Americans has resulted in our children becoming sicker. Yet Republicans continue to be hostile to measures to ensure more children. After 40 consecutive years of declining infant mortality rates in the United States, rates turned upwards under the Presidency of George W. Bush because of his anti-health care policies.

Since the end of World War II, plans for comprehensive national health care programs where the federal government would play a major role in increasing health care coverage have been proposed only by Democratic Presidents, including presidents Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Clinton. President Johnson steered our Medicare legislation through Congress, which passed despite bitter Republican opposition. Comprehensive plans to improve health care in our country have been proposed by several current Democratic presidential candidates, whereas all Republican candidates are ideologically opposed to government provision of health care, calling it “socialized medicine”.


The bankruptcy bill of 2005

In 2005 our Republican Congress passed what they called the “Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005”, thereby making it much more difficult for poor and middle class families to obtain bankruptcy protection after losing all their money, while keeping protection for the ultra-wealthy in place. Two million American families declared bankruptcy in 2005, and the good majority of cases were caused by job loss or health care catastrophes. The bill was heavily lobbied for by the credit card industry. Approximately 60% of Democratic Congresspersons voted against the bill, whereas only 25% of Senate Republicans and 30% of House Republicans voted against it.


Embryonic stem cell research

Another ploy that Republicans have used to create a “pro-family” image is to speak and vote against federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. The federal funding of this research has the potential to result in the discovery of medical treatment for many currently untreatable diseases. Yet Republicans claim that their stance on this issue is motivated by their “pro-family” or “pro-life” values.

The truth of the matter is that the stem cells in question would generally be thrown away (i.e. destroyed) anyhow if they are not used for research. Thus they cannot be considered to be “potential life”. So what are Republicans “protecting” by prohibiting federal funding? All they’re doing is obstructing potentially life saving research in their attempt to create their “pro-life” image. Yet President Bush, in collaboration with most Republicans in Congress, continues to obstruct greater use of this potentially life saving research.


Treatment of U.S. detainees

One would think that people who care about families would have at least some concern for the families of non-Americans. Yet under George Bush’s “War on Terror”, thousands of men from around the world, including some U.S. citizens, are rounded up and thrown into prisons or dungeons without trial, without charges, without notification of their families, and without any legal rights whatsoever, for indefinite and unspecified periods of time. George Bush and Dick Cheney call them “terrorists”, and yet they disallow trials for the vast majority of these men. The only thing that their families know is that their loved one has “disappeared”. Yet it is a rare Republican who has voiced any objection to this barbaric kind of behavior.


Abortion

The Democratic position on abortion is that it be safe, legal and rare. This means providing family planning services which help women to avoid unwanted pregnancy and medical services for pregnant women to make their pregnancies safe. Because of this position, abortion rates in the United States declined substantially under Bill Clinton, but then leveled off or increased under George Bush, who has demonstrated great ideologically based hostility to family planning services.


Family values in perspective

Of course there are different kinds of family values, and the discussion I provided above constitutes only a sampling of the family values that could be discussed. Nevertheless, it is absurd to say that “family values” are more important to the Republicans than to Democrats. It would be much more accurate to say that the two parties favor different kinds of family values.

Democrats are more inclined to favor the kind of family values that actually help families to lead decent lives and to achieve the ideals expressed in our founding documents, in particular their inalienable right to the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. In addition to the examples mentioned above: Democrats are much more favorably predisposed to increases in the minimum wage for workers, which had remained stagnant for almost ten years under Republican Congresses prior to the Democratic takeover of Congress in 2007; Republicans are much more likely to favor laws that are repressive to unions, thereby serving to stifle wages and worker protection laws; and under Republican rule the cost of a college education has become unaffordable to more and more Americans.

By contrast, the kind of so-called “family values” favored by republicans focuses primarily on repression of gay rights and the protection of unviable embryos (at the expense of potentially life saving research) and fetuses. For the most part, their desire to criminalize abortion appears to represent political posturing rather than a sincere desire to decrease abortions, as their anti-family planning policies serve to increase abortions rather than to decrease them.

Thus, much Republican ideology is anti-family because it is anti-people. Yet, our corporate news media continues to spew out the ridiculous myth that the Republican Party is the party of “family values”. That kind of reporting is very sloppy at best and flagrantly disingenuous at worst. They should be called out on it wherever and whenever they do it.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:17 PM
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1. See, this is where evryone gets it wrong. When a repug says "Family Values"
they're not talking about the 'nuclear family unit, they're talking about the 'crime family'. They're an organised crime family. The Oil Mafia. Those are the "family" values they embrace. Kickbacks, protection, corruption, gun running, drug dealing and yes, even murder.

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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:19 PM
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2. It's too nuanced for the Republican base.
What we're for is family values. What we're against is blatant hypocrisy, and even if you want to give Craig the benefit of the doubt, there are many other Republican examples of people who railed against gays, divorce, abortion, whatever, but then were caught having done it themselves. That's what pisses me off. If someone wants to be against one of those issues, that's their right, but then don't go getting caught doing exactly what you preached against.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:32 AM
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12. Yes, liberals are for family values, which is a major part of what we're all about
I don't care whether Craig is gay or not, and it would hardly change my opinion of him one way or the other.

The main point I'm trying to make isn't about Craig's episode in the men's room, or isn't even about his blatant hypocrisy or that of his fellow Republicans, but rather it's about the so-called "family values" that they espouse.

-- I don't think that repression of gays is "pro-family".
-- I don't think that supression of life saving research is "pro-family".
-- I don't think that railing against government provision of health care is "pro-family".
-- In summary, I think that hardly anything that Republicans do is pro-family.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:24 PM
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3. There is no such thing as 'family' values - that's propoganda BS
The implication one must be in a nuclear family to be morally worthy is pure crap. It's the same crap as saying they are pro-life - it is simply a campaign slogan that catches those mentally challenged morans' attention and somehow gives them a false sense of security in their pathetic lives.

This allows them to live with their hidden lives of screwing the neighbor's wife, or all the other things they shouldn't be doing.

I agree with you.. it's all BS.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:42 AM
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11. Yes, but I would add:
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 09:43 AM by Time for change
Just because "family values" are abused and used for hypocritical purposes, that doesn't mean that they don't exist or that it is a worthless concept -- though granted it is an ambiguous concept.

Family values are particularly important because a good family environment is important in the raising of children. Thus, it is important that children be brought up in a loving environment, with access to health care, education, food, and all the essential needs of life, including parental acceptance of their sexual orientation, no matter what that might be.

This does not imply that one must be a member of a typical nuclear family, or any nuclear family, in order to be considered worthy, by any means.

I think that Democrats would do well to stress this. If instead they suggest that there is no such thing as family values I think that they will suffer politically for that.

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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:42 PM
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4. Conservatives' Family Values are
nothing more than a hollow marketing ploy.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:43 PM
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32. That plus a way to justify
getting government intimately involved in the private lives of American citizens.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:46 PM
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5. "Family Values" begins with valuing families.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:48 AM
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6. Would that fit on a bumper sticker baldguy? nt
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:24 PM
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26. Maybe an ad campaign


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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:26 PM
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30. What a beautiful family!
You can just feel the love coming from that picture. That little girl is lucky--and probably spoiled rotten. :)
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 05:22 AM
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7. K&R - get thee to the Greatest Page! n/t
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:08 AM
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8. GOPpers TALK About Family Values: Democrats USE Them!
It's called walking the walk.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:33 AM
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9. I plan to call them on it


Whenever some freeper type starts spewing the "Family Values" crap my response is going to be "Ah. A Family Values type. Well, I prefer that adults have sex in the privacy of their own homes rather than in public restrooms. YOU must be one of those who has sex in toilet stalls, and let me just say I wish you Family Values types would keep it at home."

Let them hem and haw. I'm going to walk away with that...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:56 PM
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14. I wish I could be there when you do that
I'd love to see their reaction. :rofl:
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:08 AM
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10. CHECKING OUT CRAIGS LUST
long time READER, nevertime caller here.....

i think it is wrong to lump all GOP Republicans into this "right-wing conservative religous" hypocrit category-- it is not fair at all!!!!
there are right-wing conservative sexual hypocrits
there are right-wing conservative bigot hypocrits
there are right-wing conservative outsourcing job hypocrits
there are right-wing conservative gay hypocrits
there are right-wing conservative cheap labor hypocrits

I was checking out CRAIG'S LUST... and found this quote from the movie ANDY GUMP...

Anyway, like I was sayin', Craig is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue him, boil him, broil him, bake him, sautee him. Dey's uh, Craig-ka-Bobs, craig creole, craig jumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple craig, lemon craig, coconut craig, pepper craig, craig soup, craig Stu, craig salad, craig and potatoes, craig burger, craig sandwich. That- that's about it.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:38 AM
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13. Senate Panel Approves Huge Tobacco Tax To Fund Child Healthcare
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/77369.php

In an overwhelming majority of 17 to 4, and in defiance of a threatened veto by President Bush, the US Senate Finance Committee approved a bill to expand child healthcare using a large increase in tobacco tax. Most of the Republicans on the Committee joined the Democrats to vote in favour of the bill.

That's where Bush's Family Values are.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 02:00 PM
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15. That's great to see
Republicans being forced to adopt Democratic family values in order to retain their Senate seats!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 02:03 PM
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16. I've never understood why Democrats don't claim the family values
terrain that is so rightfully theirs. It's just baffling.

Great OP, TFC!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:51 PM
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19. Thank you sfexpat -- Yes, it certainly is hard to understand
I think that a large part of the problem is that our corporate media gives a great deal of assistance to the Republicans on this issue.

But still, I agree with you that if Dems were more aggressive about claiming this ground for themselves, the corporate media would have a hard time stopping them.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:56 PM
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21. Yes, it's wrong to underestimate the influence of the Noise Machine.
Did you notice that now the Pentagon has hired a former presstitute as spokes-liar.

The daylight between our "news" outlets and BushCo is fading very quickly.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:40 PM
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23. There's so many pre$$titutes around these days it's hard to keep track
We have the official pre$$titutes that the Bush administration hires directly and specifically to spew out propaganda.

And then we have the ones that are paid by the corporate media, on behalf of the Bush administration, such as Tim Russert and Chris Matthews, who spew out propaganda to keep their corporate masters happy. Those creeps really did a number on Al Gore in 2000, and Kerry to a lesser extent in 2004, and they'll be especially rabid if Edwards gets the nomination (Kucinich too, but that's a real long shot).

I'm amazed that Keith has gotten away with what he has. Maybe it's because he's bringing in a hell of a lot of money for MSNBC, and also they would look pretty silly if they fired him. He's got a hell of a lot of guts.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 02:39 PM
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17. "Family values" is an empty phrase
implying that government can legislate individual morals. A person's family values are personal and private, unless he/she is harming another person or breaking a law. For a party that advocates "small government", they certainly want government to be involved in our personal lives, unless of course, that means feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, healing the sick, helping the helpless. Then it is about "individual responsibility".

Every person's perception of family is unique and individual, and our many different kinds of families represent the diversities of our culture, something that should be celebrated, not homogenized. I don't need politicians telling me whether my "family" is up to snuff - that's not their job. That's MY job.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:14 PM
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28. That's a good point
That's a good way of characterizing the Republican view on "family values": Government intrusion into our personal lives.

The other things you mention -- feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, etc., are the liberal views of family values.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 04:28 AM
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33. "Family Values" is just another meaningless slogan
It is yet another way to divide people, something that republicans are so good at. How about one of their favorites, "The culture of life"! What the hell does that mean? Not much to right-wingers evidently, as they tend to be for the death penalty, bombing innocent civilians, and health care only for those who can afford it.

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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 04:45 AM
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34. Exactly. What do they propose? A Department of Family??
It's a completely hollow phrase, purely aimed at people who think that _their_ values should be imposed on everyone else or rather the fear that other people's values will be imposed on them.

Typical political hot air and typical Republican framing. So how hard can it be for a Democrat to burst that bubble once and for all? I am still waiting.

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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 02:41 PM
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18. This must be the damn Greta woman...
on cspan, she has irritated me from day one I thought she was going to get better as time went on but everytime cspan comes on and I hear her voice I brace myself.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:23 PM
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31. I don't recall her name
But Greta sounds familiar.

She seems decent enough to me. In the episode I refer to in the OP she was trying to explain that the hypocrisy issue may be important in the way that people judge Larry Craig's behavior. That was appropriate.

Her reference to "family values" appeared to be a spontaneous remark based on simple internalization of right wing talking points on this issue, after probably having heard those talking points a zillion times.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:20 PM
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20. Craig pleaded guilty
If Craig was innocent, why did he plead guilty?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:46 PM
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24. As far as I know, it was a combination of reasons
First, because he was guilty. And second, he pled guilty to a lesser charge, like disorderly conduct, because he desperately wanted to keep the whole thing quiet and he thought that it would go away if he pled guilty. That's the way I understand it anyhow.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 05:26 PM
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22. Larry Craig is just a straight man who has not yet Found Jesus.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:49 PM
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25. Thank you.
I have argued these points till I'm "blue" in the face.

SOB's just don't get it.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:26 PM
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27. There's no bumper sticker slogan in there, so it'll be lost on Murka
However, your piece explains very well why the right wing consists of a herd of cretinous blowhard fuckwads who are ruining our country.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:23 PM
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29. "Family Values" is a fiction
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:30 AM
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35. "Family values"- "Support the troops"
Rethugs do not value families. They do not support the troops.

Rethugs value money & power. They support the Multi-Natls. & Oil Corps.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:33 AM
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36. THEY are here for Earth's resources.
Humans are either slaves or in the way. :hide:


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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:19 PM
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39. They live in "opposite world"
Whatever they SAY is opposite of what they really mean. "No child left behind." "Compassionate conservatism." "Ownership society."
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:34 PM
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40. Oh and I forgot this "strong economy"
and "clear skies initiative".
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:34 AM
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37. GOP "Family Values" = The best deal at the cathouse!
Or the best deal in the toilet!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:13 PM
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38. 50% divorce rate ...50% choose to be single ...50% stay together out of convenience
Just who are these "families" that the values are coming from?
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