For Those of You Buying Into the Entrapment Trap

[Mr. Ected]

Simply remember that a United States Senator with access to the best and brightest attorneys in the land...PLED GUILTY AS CHARGED.

The entrapment argument has not been raised in order to answer the complaint, but rather, in order to retain a seat in the Senate. Period. End of story.

[liberal N proud]

1. PLED GUILTY AS CHARGED - enough said

[BOSSHOG]

2. If it were entrapment

would not everyone who used the facilities been arrested?

[Bluebear]

3. Nuff said. And if he had nothing to hide, he had nothing to fear. Right, GOP?

[BeFree]

4. Well....DUH!

If ever I was not guilty, I'd never plead guilty.

I wonder if those who are pleading for Craig might be guilty?

[StarryNite]

6. Yeah, I have to wonder that same thing.

Perhaps they feel they have something in common with him and they fear they might also be arrested for pulling the same shit. No puns intended.

[BeFree]

7. It is only reasonable

Cuz I can't think of any other reason why they'd be pleading for Craig.

[karlrschneider]

12. I don't really think it's so much defending Craig as expressing some reservations about laws

that don't seem to have full oversight over some, or many, so-called 'sting' operations. The line between entrapment (not legal) and enticement (legal) is narrow and sometimes fuzzy.

[BeFree]

16. Like I said

The only people who have a problem with this, it seems, are those who might be guilty of breaking such laws. And in my book the law is a good one. Public restrooms are for everyone and therefore should be closely controlled.

Heck, everyone knows soliciting sex in a public restroom is illegal, especially Craig. Even if he was entrapped, he still pled guilty.

[tulsakatz]

13. and you certainly wouldn't plead guilty.........

...without checking with an attorney first!!

[havocmom]

22. I'm wondering if some mignt be paid

Sure a lot of desperate RW pundit talking points bantered about around campus.

[BeFree]

24. It is being used

One: as a wedge issue

and Two: to obscure the resignations - in disgrace - of two of bushco's best.

It is a matter of desperation for bushco that they would stoop so low. Just look at how they kept Craig out of the news for as long as they did.

[havocmom]

26. And, just been thinking about GOP gov in Idaho getting to appoint a new senator

who can then run with the perks of an incumbent but none of the baggage.

Call me a tin-foiler, but this works out too well for the RNC. What has Rove been keeping himself busy with this week? How far would Melhman go to get back into the good graces of the RNC/GOP?

And we are getting pretty damned close to the ides of Sept. Lots of chatter about Iran. The junta here is in BIG trouble and it is just about crunch time. Where's Dick while we enjoy this Craig diversion?

[Mr. Ected]

27. America Loves A Good Sex Scandal

And now that Paris, Britney and Lindsay seem to be behaving themselves for awhile, using this as a diversionary device almost makes sense.

And here I am, perpetuating the damn thing with another message. I suck.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. I don't think there's a point to arguing this.

Nobody actually believes it's entrapment. People are just trying to disrupt.

[StarryNite]

8. Disrupt and perhaps

defend their own actions. Just like the smoking threads, the smokers defend smoking and those who can't stand the smell defend the anti-smoking laws. It's only natural to defend our own beliefs and actions. Just note who is defending Craig and stay out of public restrooms when any of these people are in them.

[tulsakatz]

9. yes, the guilty plea is a big problem........

whether or not it was entrapment does not matter. A US Senator certainly has a grasp of what it means to be guilty, whether or not he did anything wrong!!

And it seems to me that since he did plead guilty, if he really didn't do anything wrong as he claims and he pled guilty, wouldn't that constitute perjury?

Also, in his plea agreement, the one where he pled guilty to the lesser charge, I believe it also says that he agrees not to say that he was innocent later on. So his public statement the other day, where he did say he had not done anything wrong, wouldn't that reverse the original plea deal?

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. This guy was not too bright, considering he's a senator and all.

What was Idaho thinking when they elected him?

[MindPilot]

11. I did a little entrapment experiment in the restroom at work today

First I made sure I was completely alone. HR would not look kindly upon someone caught in the bathroom impersonating a Senator.

Then while seated, I attempted to adjust my "stance" to the point where I could possibly make foot-to-foot contact with an imaginary person in the next stall. I discovered that it is fundamentally impossible without contorting one's self to the point of sliding off the seat.

The only way to slip a foot under the partition is to either a) withdraw at least one leg from the pants, or b) keep the pants on while seated.

It could not happen accidentally nor could there any accidental response possible to any enticement. That's my conclusion.

[Ino]

14. Ohhh, a demonstration!

It would be great fun if Craig would stage a re-enactment. Perhaps his defenders could suggest that to him in the interest of exonerating him.

[underpants]

15. Now try it with your pants down at your knees

Thanks for adding some scientific experimentation to this.

None of this BS added up, never did.

[MindPilot]

17. That will be phase II

I couldn't spend too much time working on that project; someone might mistake me for an undercover cop.

[EST]

19. Puctures please.

[havocmom]

23. Maybe you could call Colbert

What a funny, and entirely practical, relevant experiment! :rofl:

I'm a tailor, and have been puzzling over the Senator's claim that his 'wide stance' keeps his pants off the floor. Can't see how it is POSSIBLE with pants anywhere but on fully OR on the floor. If he had a 56" waist, maybe but he doesn't. A slender man's trousers down in a position to allow a gent to use the facilities would not allow enough room for the contortions involved in playing footsies with the chap in the next stall.

havocmom, who has been in a lot of mens pants ;)

[truedelphi]

18. Several MSM stations had commentators who stated this just as you are.

Although it is one thing if someone with minimal intelligence and the corresponding position tries
to use the "I plead guilty because I didn't understand" argument - that argument does not hold up well if the pleader is
1 A Senator
2) ABle to have a lawyer (as Craig was)

[samplegirl]

20. The cop should of taken it a

little further...then Craig would'nt have a leg to stand on.

[Jed Dilligan]

21. I think it's borderline entrapment, which doesn't make Craig less guilty.

I believe both arguments: that Craig was in the men's room cruising for sex and that the case against him is weak. (Just like I think OJ did it and I think the cops flubbed the case.) The fact that he chose to plead out probably reflects his desire to minimize publicity more than an inner sense of guilt.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. Anyone Buying Into The Entrapment Trap Simply Doesn't Know What Entrapment Is.

This wasn't even close to being entrapment.