I wish only the best for Tony Snow...

[Redstone]

As much as I might detest him for being the hack flack that he's been for bushyboy, I've seen over the last month or so how bad he's been looking; it's obvious how much of a toll his health issues have taken on him.

Notwithstanding my distaste for his political views or career choices, I say from one human being with serious health issues to another with similar problems: Go, rest, and get better if you can.

Redstone

[H2O Man]

1. Very good.

Well said.

[NanceGreggs]

2. Beautifully said, Redstone.

Let me join you in wishing this man well ...

[terrya]

3. I'm not going to wish him pain and all of that.

I watched my father die of cancer. It was horrible for what he was going through and it was horrible to watch him waste away. And the chemo made things even worse for him.

I don't like his ideology and I don't like his working for this administration.

But still....that's a terrible situation he's dealing with. And I can hope that he can deal with it.

[Maddy McCall]

4. As do I.

Reminds me of what my father and my family went through. I'd wish that on no one.

You and I posted on the same theme within three minutes of each other.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1708242

And I'll k/r your thread.

[Redstone]

10. As I said in reply to your post...you said it perfectly. We must cling to our sense of

humanity, no matter our politics, yes?

Yes, indeed.

Redstone

[jgraz]

37. Are you really saying that people who feel a sense of justice at this aren't human?

To me, it seems the most human emotion to feel. The man worked to enable the slaughter of millions. A little pain as he lies his way out of this life is a very small price to pay.

[REP]

87. Just A Way Of Praying Aloud On Street Corners So They May Be Seen Of Men

I don't wish Snow well; I don't wish him ill. I am sick of seeing people do the "look how good I am" mau-mau over this, as though they were acquainted with him personally or are getting scored on it.

[edhopper]

5. At least he has

the insurance that Bush wants to deny millions of children.

[Mutineer]

6. A prior thread here at DU

would indicate that you (and I) are in the minority on that sentiment. I've lost people in my family to cancer, I recognzie the signs. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Many here, it seems do not share the same sentiments.

[Redstone]

9. God damn. I thought DUers were above that. Even though this is a political

website, I thought that we, as a group, understood that humanity trumps politics.

I'll bet that the majority of us do understand that.

Redstone

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. Absolutely.

[Skittles]

8. I absolutely detest Mr. Snow

but I share your sentiment - I would not wish cancer on my worst enemy and I refuse to let repukes make me lose my humanity; I do wish the best for Mr. Snow and his family in his battle against that hideous disease.

[slowry]

11. Nope, can't see how you get there from here.

He has helped kill 100s of thousands of innocent people; millions more have lost their homes and livelihood thanks to those he works for. That being said, I don't wish any specific harm on him.

It really isn't humane to light a candle for him; quite the opposite. That doesn't mean pointing and laughing, either, but if I had to choose... well, thankfully there's a middle ground.

[Redstone]

13. Who said anything about lighting candles? I have a disease that I'll die from,

if something else doesn't get me first. And I've known that since 1978.

That makes me sympathetic to people who are in a similar situation. Just on a personal level, if that's OK with you.

Redstone

[slowry]

15. It's OK with me; I just find it odd. n/t

[Maddy McCall]

20. Compassion is odd?

In my heart, I believe that liberals are truest to what we believe in when we extend compassion to all humans, even those who are completely philosophically different from us.

Watching a man die slowly is something that no liberal should enjoy. Wishing him well does not somehow betray our liberal political identity; indeed, it reinforces it.

[slowry]

28. I think it's odd to wish someone well, who has gleefully helped support mass murder, yes.

It's one thing to have compassion, in the sense that you don't wish him to suffer, but "get well"? Sorry, that's an insult to people smeared on their heels.

:shrug: my last post on this subject anyway; we'll just have to disagree on the whole thing!

[Maddy McCall]

30. Am I to understand that you wish death upon Tony Snow?

You cannot lie your head on your pillow at night with an ounce of peace, with that kind of bitterness in your heart.

Best wishes for dealing with the soul pollution that must torment you. I truly mean this.

[jgraz]

38. Let me guess: you'll pray for him

It's that kind of sanctimonious hogwash that drove me (and many others) to atheism. Do I even need to point out the hypocrisy of using your pseudo-christian morality to judge someone who's simply expressing a real human emotion?

Best wishes for dealing with the mind pollution that must cloud your every day. I truly mean this.

[michaz]

51. And it is this kind of "sanctimonious hogwash" that drives me ...

and many others to believe in my christian beliefs. Isn't is funny how people with totally opposite opinions can actually feel the same way in reverse!! From my point of view, I would look at it as you having the clouded mind. Guess that only goes to show that we all have a right to our own feelings and opinions, gee even our own beliefs. Hmmm....

[jgraz]

53. It's just funny how often those christian beliefs are used to judge others

Now wasn't there something in the bible about that?

[michaz]

54. And isn't it funny just how often those atheist views are used to do the same?

[jgraz]

55. Yes, responding to judgmental hypocrisy is the same as doing it yourself

:eyes:

Next you're going to tell me how atheism is a faith, and that I'm a fundamentalist. :rofl:

[Maddy McCall]

58. I would say the you are absent the logic that most good atheists at DU demonstrate.

Because I never mentioned praying for Snow; nor did I mention anywhere whether or not I subscribe to any institutionalized religion.

Your leap of logic is, well, irrational. Not what I've come to expect from most of the good atheists I know at DU.

[jgraz]

61. Luckily, I not only understand logic, I know how to make inferences

Someone who mentions "soul pollution" and "bitterness in your heart" is either a well-indoctrinated chrisitian or has succumbed to the worst of new-age soft-headedness.

And I didn't feel like typing "new-age soft-headedness".

[Maddy McCall]

62. Your inferences are incorrect.

[jgraz]

65. So where do you get the concept of a "polluted soul"

And what, exactly, is it polluted with?

[Maddy McCall]

67. When one is corrupted by intense, unrelenting anger to the point...

that it becomes obsessive, I would consider that a polluted soul.

It's part of my southern lexicon. Bless your heart.

I won't participate anymore in your bilious disruption of Redstone's thread. You've got your answer...if you want to continue to ridicule those of us with compassion for other suffering human beings, then there's another thread in GD you should check into.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1709061&mesg_id=1709061

[jgraz]

68. "polluted" "bitter" "corrupted" "bilious"

Yeah, I'm the one doing the ridiculing. :eyes:

[jgraz]

64. Wrong place -- Bush is an ass-carrot n/t

[michaz]

59. No, I am going to tell you that I am not going to ......

have a real pissing match with you! You are free to believe as you choose, just as I do. What I am going to tell you is this. I don't see where lashing out so strongly against a person with a different opinion from yours is necessary. Think what you want, that is fine. But getting so damn angry and nasty was uncalled for. If you don't want to pray, then by all means don't. But why rip someone to pieces because they want to?

[jgraz]

63. The poster was clear that he was making his last post on the subject

I thought a follow-on telling him he had bitterness in his heart and that his soul was polluted was dead out of line.

[Maddy McCall]

57. Where did you ascertain that I'm a Christian?

I hope that you can find a way to deal with the anger that plagues you.

[jgraz]

66. I said pseudo-christian

And my anger is at you for taking a pot-shot at a poster who made it clear he was leaving the thread. Very bad form. :thumbsdown:

[Redstone]

21. It's ODD to identify with another human being as another human being?

OK, then.

Redstone

[jgraz]

40. Many of us think Tony gave up his status as human being when he agreed to lie for a monster

[spoony]

70. Thinking of your foes as less than human is never a good start.

[jgraz]

79. He's not a "foe", he's a scumbag

And I have no problem with the assessment that Snow is a degenerate subhuman who isn't worthy of one ounce of compassion.

Once again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1710526&mesg_id=1710526

"It's a number"

[GeorgeGist]

12. The best for Tony Snow ...

would be to confess to his fans. So I wish him the best too.

[Crabby Appleton]

14. I agree - nt

[coyote]

16. Sorry, but fuck him!

I wish the people here gave half the sympathy here to the Iraqi people as they do poor little Tony Snow. He's part of the problem.not the solution.

Call me bitter, because I am.

[Redstone]

22. What, we can't have sympathy for BOTH? Is there a limit on sympathy? Sorry, but

sympathy is something I've found that you can't run out of. There's enough for everyone. For me, at least.

Redstone

[TomInTib]

29. I have trouble working up any sympathy for the Enemy.

And he is one of the Enemy.

You certainly have a bigger heart than do I, Redstone.

[Redstone]

45. Tom, you know better than that, I believe. November Victor and and his cousin

Charles were once The Enemy, weren't they?

Are they yet The Enemy, seen through the lens of time and distance? Did they fight for essentially what we do now, to save our beloved country from those who would take it from us?

You and I, we're old and wise enough, are we not, to understand that those we call The Enemy are, at the last, just human, as we are?

Redstone

[TomInTib]

52. I hate these people, I never hated the Vietnamese.

I actually felt sorry for the Viets, but they were trying to kill us so we had to do what we had to do.

You and I walk a lot of the same paths, Redstone.

But not this one.

[atreides1]

17. This makes you a better human being then I am

But he's the enemy and just another brick that has fallen from this house of lies and death that he chose to represent of his own free will.

It's a good thing that there are people like you in the world.

[bluedog]

18. he was hired to do a job,...lie yes,........but no one

......... should have to suffer from the immense pain cancer brings.......my dad died of this ..and I could see and hear the pain in his voice........I truly hope Tony makes the best of the time he has left with his family..giving his children his time and they being there for him........sorry....but he and his family do have my best wishes for what ever may come of this.

[sam sarrha]

19. he isnt looking so good these days, i hope he finds jesus and is forgiven before he burns in HELL..

[proud patriot]

23. I wish him well

Heal up Tony , and we'll battle again .

[upi402]

24. Where does 'sympathy' lie in the dictionary?

I mean, between what - and what?

[Forkboy]

33. Dad..is that you?

:D

[Jack Rabbit]

25. .

[yasmina27]

26. I don't wish what he's been through on anyone

not even * or darth. The only thing I wish on any member of this misadministration is a small jail cell and a striped uniform.

[PA Democrat]

27. I wish him well also.

Cancer is a horrible disease, and I can take no joy, no satisfaction in seeing him suffering. I would rather see him recover his health and battle him ideologically with the facts. If his voice is silenced due to cancer, how do we "win"?

[otohara]

31. He'll Get -"The Best" As Where Other American's Who

have cancer and need to make more money will not get hired, their Cobra will run out, some will loose their home and will be denied SSDI by the government if the illness never goes away.

Fox Noise will no doubt hire Snow back for his White House and war propaganda expertise. Good thing he had a radio show. Fox TV wouldn't want a sick looking guy on the air. They will use him and look good in the eyes of their fans in the process.

I was treated like shit in broadcasting when my physical disability became problematic. Asking for shorter hours on Friday's under the American Disability Act became a horrible ordeal for me. It was then when they started to plot my demise.

But then my name isn't Tony Snow.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

32. He showed no compassion for those who lost more than he. We're different from him though, huh. nt

[Redstone]

47. Uh, yes, we are. Or at least we're supposed to be. Moral high ground, and

all that. Maybe a quaint notion to you, but not to me.

Your mileage may differ.

Redstone

[Esra Star]

34. Beautiful, civilising gesture Mr Redstone. I concur. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

35. Too bad he didn't see fit to stop his lying and deceit and before he heads home.

One would think a person in his condition would want to "clear the air", so to speak.

[Berry Cool]

36. I am with you, Redstone.

As much as I might dislike what the man does, I cannot wish what he is going through on anyone.

Also, those who would like to believe he is reaping what he sowed in some kind of cosmic karma...well, you go and try to figure out how the same kind of karma applies to, say, Molly Ivins.

[hfojvt]

39. He has already had much of the best

He's made tons of money shilling for the privileged.

Luke 16: 27 "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.'"

Those are Jesus' words, but I am not wishing him any agony or an 'early' death even though he is a willing member of what I might call the coalition of greed. I'd rather see him do a David Brock, but as near as I can tell, the universe does not pay a bit of attention to my wishes anyway. If it did though, there's lots of people whose suffering I would ease before I worried about Tony Snow. There are homeless people, there are working people on roofs, in mines, in factories, in construction - working their a$$es off for less than 1/10 of what Tony Snow says is not enough money, and getting injured, killed, or just worn out. There are women getting raped, about 1600 just today alone, if this is an average day. There are uninsured children, victims of domestic abuse, victims of drive-by shootings, people getting blown up and shot at in Iraq and elsewhere, billions of people far too poor to enjoy anything even close to a decent life, and so on, and so on, and so on. I wish THEM the best.

Of course, it is possible to care about the suffering of others, including the people we will never hear about other than maybe a couple of times a year, and to care about Tony Snow. Sure, we can do both at the same time, but can we post a thread about both? I would like to see threads wishing well or attempting to help poorer and more innocent people who are suffering and/or facing death. Let Tony Snow's and George Bush's fans wish Tony well. There are enough of them that I/we don't need to add to the chorus. I wish Tony would re-evaluate, or maybe just evaluate, his life's work.

[AspenRose]

41. I saw him for the first time in a while on TV this evening.....

:wow: I couldn't believe it.

One of my friends from college is fighting cancer, too. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, friend or foe. I hope he gets better, and that his family finds some peace in the midst of the battle.

The best "revenge" I can think of, is to NOT be like those who would wish ME ill if the situation were reversed.

[rug]

42. "The secret of learning to be sick is this: Illness doesn't make you less of what you were.

You are still you."

-Tony Snow

[Gabi Hayes]

44. It also doesn't make you any more of what you are, Tony.

everybody dies, don't they?

you choose to do it very publicly, apparently

so what?

sorry, but, while I wish him no ill, nor any suffering, I hold him in HIGH dudgeon for what he has helped wreak upon the world

what on earth does that have to do with his illness?

two entirely different circumstances. if he'd gotten run over by a truck, what would the conversation regarding his demise have been like

so long, Tony, may you have better luck finding enlightenment next time around

sorry if that sounds harsh, but I've seen worse, sadder things in my day, and his tale of sorrow just doesn't do much for me



"So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy; a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald — striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one — big hitter, the Lama — long, into a 10,000 foot crevice, right at the base of this glacier.

And do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... Gunga, gunga galunga. So we finish the 18th and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know?" And he says, 'Oh, there won't be any money. But when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.' So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

[tabasco]

43. He has knowingly aided and abetted a destructive, murderous, criminal cabal.

May he rot in hell.

[midnight]

46. Good for you Redstone. I have not seen this man because

I don't watch much T.V. What are his health issues?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

48. He's dying of colon cancer, I believe...nt

[Redstone]

50. I only watch the clips people post on Crooksandliars or DU. It's obvious from those

clips that his cancer has gotten the better of him.

I speak only as someone who has a disease that I'll die from if something else doesn't get me first, as he is. And as such, I believe that humanity trumps politics.

Others may have varying opinions, and that's fine with me. I just thought to express mine.

Redstone

[Gabi Hayes]

60. I understand your feelings toward Snow, and empathize with your personal situation.

I wish I could let my other feelings go. I'm trying, but it's VERY difficult to ignore what he's part of.

I'm trying to achieve the mindset of the Vietnamese

something to be said for Buddhism

then, again, look what the Chinese are doing in Tibet.....



Tao Jones

[tammywammy]

49. I agree completely

I'm not without compassion, even for people I strongly disagree with.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

56. Well said Redstone, please be well, both you and Tony Snow

:hug: :pals:

[slick8790]

69. Good post.

Anyone who's been close to anyone who's died or gotten very sick with cancer knows it's horrible. It's the worst kind of death, and it destroys your life leading up to it. Person to person, I hope he comes out ok. No one should have to live (or die) like that. But polically, I'm glad he's gone, even though this is not a very heartwarming way for it to happen.

[cboy4]

71. I was at a family funeral for someone who died from this cruel disease.

I can't wish that on an human being. I just can't.

[jgraz]

72. How can anyone have any compassion for this man?

"It's a number"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1710526

:grr:

[Lindsey]

75. I also think of Tony Snow as a human being first before anything else...

I think that we're all different and compassion is a place some of us go to more easily than others. I'm pretty impathic so I get there too easily sometimes for my own good.

[jgraz]

76. Too bad Tony didn't seem to think of himself that way

The man was a shill for monsters, and he helped to support the most murderous regime in this country's history. It's hard to think of a level of suffering that would make up for that.

[spoony]

80. I think we get it.

You hate him, you don't think he's human, compassion isn't a "real" human response, blah blah blah. Go pollute another thread.

[orleans]

73. but...but...but...

he's not quitting so he can go rest

he says he is better

he's quitting because $160,000 ISN'T ENOUGH TO SUPPORT HIS FAMILY!

he had to TAKE OUT A LOAN just to be fuckhead's mouthpiece for however long he's been jerking the public around

he's going to go make the big bucks doing speaking engagements now

all this was what he said and what was reported today (friday)

i agree--he looks like shit. absolute shit. but he is shit. with everything he said and defended and lied to us about--he is empty inside. he is zero.

you wish him well.
i wish him in hell.

[Evoman]

74. Your a better person than I.

And I mean that. I can't make myself care, and certainly don't wish the best for him. People then assume that I'm full of hate. I'm not...but there is no place in my heart, no compassion left, for the people who are enemies to everything I stand for.

When Pinochet died, I was fucking happy. I may have danced. Is it wrong? Is it wrong that a man who has killed many of my families friends, and made one of my own family members disappear, died and I rejoiced. When Ronald Reagan and his ilk...people whose policies caused havoc in South America and made me a refugeee died...was it wrong that I rejoiced.

These people do evil, redstone. They kill people, they lie for each other, they are corrupt as hell, and they don't give a shit that your dying. I care about you man, and I hope everything turns out for you. Your a good man...but I have don't give a shit about Snow, and no matter how many people call me a faux-liberal for not having compassion for a monster, I'm not gonna feel guilty for that.

[Redstone]

81. That is a well-thought-out and a well-written post. You disagree with me, but you do so

very well. I repect your viewpoint, no matter that it doesn't match mine.

And that's what a discussion board should be for, yes? I made you think. You, in turn, made me think.

And for that, I thank you.

Redstone

[Rosemary2205]

83. Great reply to a great OP.

I wish that more discussion on DU could be at this level.

Thanks you two.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

77. Tony Snow is a disgusting man.

Anyone that helps to perpetrate misery and suffering deserves no sympathy. While I wish no ill health, I do not wish him "my best".

[JCMach1]

78. Reporter from FOX, "We Never Took the Name off of Your Office"

While I hope he recovers, I hope he has somehow moved beyond that...

[Snarkturian Clone]

82. Agree. nt

[Colorado Progressive]

84. being a complete asswipe, and having watched my dad die of cancer 18 mos ago

and thinking "why doesnt it happen to someone who deserves it more", well I am feeling no sorrow for Tony Snow. I believe in karma...I hope he learns from it when he comes back as an Iraqi orphan whose mother was killed by American troops.

edit:sp

[Pachamama]

85. When Tony says he's leaving because he's a broke man, is he referring to his finances or his soul?

:eyes:

I don't wish this man ill, but I really do believe he made a choice and sold his soul to the devil...He looks horrible and instead of being with his family, caring for his health, he continued to shill for this criminal administration...I don't know if its too late for him or not...my guess is that it is...for him to make the statement that he's leaving to return to the private sector because it pays better and he's broke, is a pretty sad statement indeed about his priorities. I guess I'd have more of a sense of his priorities if he was saying that he was leaving to focus on his family and caring for his health. The fact that its about money is really sad. Really, really sad. But then again everything with members of this administration seems to be centered around money. Money and power.

[Colorado Progressive]

86. you are exactly correct nt