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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:21 PM
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NO! I'll be damned if I waste my compassion on the likes of Snow or Craig or anyone like them!!!
I am not a damned saint and know for a fact there are thousands, millions, tens of millions of human beings FAR MORE DESERVING OF MY COMPASSION than these ambitious and reckless assholes.

NO!!! I won't wish any of the assholes "ill will" but I'll be damned if I waste my compassion on them.

NO WAY!!!

Those who want to give the energy required in true compassion towards these advantaged individuals who have shown no interest in doing the same, so be it. However, I do NOT think it aweful to do otherwise.

That's all.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:23 PM
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1. Agreed
and seconded!
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:23 PM
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There but for the grace...
Just because you don't like people doesn't mean you can't show compassion.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:32 PM
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8. And there are slews of people who deserve my compassion and get it.
I guess,...I am not 'graced'. On the other hand, I guess all those who support this administration who are members of it aren't graced, either.

I'll forgive them if they ever make up to society all that they harmed. I have little faith in that ever happening.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:52 AM
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56. Just because you CAN show compassion doesn't mean that everyone who is suffering deserves it n/t
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:46 AM
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60. In this case, I agree with you, OhioBlues.
I just don't think we'd be judgmental about it if he was a Democrat. Acting the way Republicans react to things like this kind of lets them off the hook.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:23 PM
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2. It may be unpopular to say so...
...but I entirely agree with you.

There are those who don't deserve compassion. Not my compassion, anyway. Others can do what they want.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:23 PM
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3. I believe you express my sentiments,
though perhaps a bit more passionately! :)
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:23 PM
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4. Compassion is never wasted.
Read that in a fortune cookie once.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:07 PM
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24. Good sentiment
for a fortune cookie
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:26 PM
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5. I will show them the same Christ like compassion that they are entitled to
That is commanded by the Good Book. I will show them the SAME compassing they exhibit to those deserving souls on the Gulf Coast after Katrina.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:17 PM
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47. Did Christ show compassion to the money changers at the temple?
I suggest we show the same spirit to these moral descendants of those moneychangers.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:18 AM
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51. Did you read my whole post?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:28 PM
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6. F**k the Enemy.
I have no compassion for them at all.

As a matter of fact, I wish the very fucking worst for them.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:46 PM
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13. I consider them criminals and traitors.
So I'm with ya' on this.

Hundreds of thousands of people are dead or suffering because of the greed and criminality of this murderous regime.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:56 PM
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45. My mother was a life long Dem
For 40 years she voted straight Dem. She died on Aug 17/06 to brain cancer. She did not vote for ten years before her death due to the abundance of assholes like you that are no differnt than the assholes on freeper dot com. I'm tired of all the hate myself and I dont see myself voting for the rest of my life either.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:15 AM
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63. I don't vote, either.
That shit will get you jury duty in California.

And I am no asshole, I just hate those bastards for stealing our country.

I didn't mind it when the Vietnamese hated me for being part of an attempt to steal their country.

At the same time, I felt sorry for them.

But I killed them, anyway, to keep them from killing me.

But I absolutey hate these bastards and wish them the worst.

Sorry about your mother. Brain cancer is bad business. Melanoma is killing me even as I type this.
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MUSTANG_2004 Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:36 PM
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71. They're not the enemy
They're just political opponents. To me, the real enemies are the corrupt politicians of both parties who use and abuse the system for their own financial and political gain.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:31 PM
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7. against my up bringing not to feel compassion
for another human that is soon to be judged by his god
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:36 PM
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9.  I don't think one that shows no compassion deserves compassion , if
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 07:39 PM by blues90
they believe in a god then that's where they can find their compassion or from those who know them .
I don't sit here wishing anyone ill will , in fact I give them no thought at all .

If many of them feel that people can pull themselves up by their boot straps or profit off someones elses loss and do this without conscience as I assume they do then screw them .
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:38 PM
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10. My compassion is never wasted ....
My compassion is reflective of whom I am , not the object of my feelings.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:39 PM
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11. Yup. "Not wishing well" is not the same as "wishing ill" - it's perfectly possible to be wishless...
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 07:40 PM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: Nor do I have any truck with the typical DU-more-compassionate-than-thou club.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:43 PM
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12. Would I feel compassion if it were 1944 and I learned Goebbels
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 07:44 PM by Bonhomme Richard
wasn't doing too well physically?
I don't think so. I'll call it Karma. They are lying, evil sacks of shit and what goes around comes around.
They have the blood of thousands on their hands and I am sure that it didn't stop them from sleeping at night.
Compassion?........Forget about it.
My Sig.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:50 PM
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15. Their victims deserve my compassion. I am ready to give energy to those who were powerless,...
,...against this self-serving lot of heartless, thoughtless, human beings.

This cabal doesn't deserve my compassion. They deserve retribution, mine and the tens of thousands, the millions of people they have oppressed, without ANY SENSE OF COMPASSION.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:50 PM
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14. I posted this in another "weep for Tony" thread (sort of long)
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 08:06 PM by ashling
I consider myself to be compassionate ... my mother raised me that way... I have seen cancer close up ... its not pretty. I have plenty of compassion for victims of cancer. However, there are people who have become victims of their own callous asociation whith the heartless. They have become heartless by association and are the victims of another disease which has metastisized to their soul. Some of these people happen to have canser.

My mother died 34 years ago last month from cancer. She fought that for 2 1/2 years while I was in college, after they gave her two months. She was a fighter. She was a Democrat. But mostly she was a good woman who brought her kids up to care for others, especially those less fortunate than themselves. She believed in courtesy. She beleived that you leave it better than you found it, that if you have the ability to help, you have the responsibility to help, and that if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. She was gentle and kind, and gave a hand out to anyone who needed it, but she wouldn't take crap off of anyone ... especially when it came to watching out for her family ... and her country (but then, that is somewhat redundant) ... she worked for the Red Coss as a Field Director at Red Cross Recreation centers alon the Burma and Ledo Roads in Southeast Asia in 1944 and 1945.

In 1970, my dad's company moved him from Texas (where I grew up) to New Orleans . . . which was pretty much of a backwater for Gulf Oil. You see, he was medical director for the Southern U.S., but they didn't even have a doctor on staff in New Orleans. The problem was that when the call went out to give money to George H W Bush for his senate run, my dad responded by giving more money to Ralph Yarborough (and then helped him pay off his debt when Ralph lost to Lloyd Bentsen. Thank God Bush did too. But he was persona non grata with the big boys in Pittsburgh, so we got sent to New Orleans.

During the stress of moving and all the crap we had to go through, my mom let a few things slide. . . . she always did that if there was a conflict between her welfare or ours ... unfortunately, this time it was a medical checkup. She had had cancer scares before, and so generally kept on top of that kind of stuff. ///////////not this time ... and when they found it . . . well, it was too late. The cancer folks at Oschners in New Orleans gave her about 2 months. . . . but she fought ... and it was hard. I cried every night for years ...and got drunk a little too often (thanks to my fraternity brothers for helping me through that)

We finally got to move back to Houston in October 1972. I was rehearsing a play in college and she called to tell me we were going home. By then she was pretty much confined to a hospital bed for long periods of time, so they flew her home in an ambulance plane. When I got home to Houston, she was at Twelve Oaks hospital. Her spirits were great, though, and she came home before Christmas. That's when she cooked her last meal for me .. us. Eye Round Roast like only she could fix it, LeSeur peas, and mashed potatoes. She never went into the kitchen again.

That Christmas her older sister and my cousin came to see us. I was to go back to school with them for the 2d semester of my junior year, but a few days after Christmas mom went into a coma.Nobody said anything to me, but I didn't go back. I stayed home and sat with my mom and the private duty nurses. /since dad was a doctor, we were able to keep mom at home. I stayed up night after night. She was in a coma or what seemed like months, but then she came out of it andseemed to get a little better. However, by then she had had a hysterectomy, two colostomies, and her body was pretty much eaten up with cancer. Some times we weren't able to get a night nurse, and so I sat up with her ... my dad in the next room in case I needed him.
She had to have a special matress because of bed sores. Insurance did not want to pay for it. They said it was like moving to Ariona because of alergies. Fortunately one of our best friends owned a pharmacy and got it for us.

In May or June 1973 when the Nixon White House Enemies list became public, mom was mad as hell. She said if anybody deserved to be on that ist, she did!

In July she went into a coma again. at 6:30 AM on July 14 she breathed her last. I was standing at her bed.

So, I'm sorry if it seems callous, but I am not going to cry one little bit for any miscreant piece of slime that has sold his soul to lie and shill for this warcriminal murderer and his maladministration ... though it may not seem logical to some, I have all ready done enough crying on account of this Bush family. I don't have anymore tears left.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:56 PM
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18. Beautifully expressed. I don't think it's callous to save your compassion for those,...
,...who most need it and deserve it.

After all, your soul must be intact to even give real compassion. These people, well, I doubt they'd even FEEL compassion if it was actually given to them.

I think it is both rational and emotionally acceptable to CHOOSE who you give your compassion.

Anyway, :hug: thank you for sharing your incredible life story.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:53 PM
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16. "waste my compassion" - How much compassion do you have, exactly?
Is it measured in teaspons, liters, grams...?
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:05 PM
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23. It's measured one human being at a time. How much do I have?
Not enough to offer those who have no need of it.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:55 PM
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17. I'll just say I shed no tears for Snow.
He used what looks more and more like his dying breath to promote the policies of a murderous criminal and shows no compassion for the millions of lives lost to the Bush administration. Should he pass away, I won't dance on his grave, but I leave it to God to have mercy on him.
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murloc Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:56 PM
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19. Compassion isnt a limited resource to be coveted
and spent like a currency.

Don't worry he will, like the rest of us will be dead soon enough.

In the meantime, there is no need to revel in the misery of others.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:02 PM
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20. I have compassion for those who have suffered far more misery than them.
I have no time to REVEL in the misery of people like the neocons and their constituents.

There are way WAY too many people I'd rather show compassion.

Of course, compassion isn't something to be TREATED LIKE a currency or capital.

However, like all human gifts, it should be wisely exercised and expressed.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:04 PM
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21. I'm with you...
I can't reconcile their hatred of all things reasonable with compassion for them. Sorry, I'm not Christian in any sense...these guys just can't stop lying...in the immortal words of Joe Wilson, these guys lie just to keep in shape.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:04 PM
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22. i have to agree with you
what compassion have these people shown for anyone but themselves and the rogue bush admin? i do not wish ill upon anyone - well, lifelong imprisonment, of course, for the criminals responsible for the war, the genocide of katrina, 911, the woman who murdered my daughter...but these spring from the desire for justice, not from the hatred their terrible deeds have inspired inside me. because i am a peacenik, and believe that to put it as simply as i can, people should not kill people.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:16 PM
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28. I do not believe the desire for justice need conflict with the advocacy for human rights.
I want a war criminal to be confined and to live a life without anything other than the basic needs.

That is compassionate enough IMHO.

I don't know who made a rule that I must feel compassion beyond that,...and, somehow, force myself to wish a FREE criminal or conspirator a good life just because s/he happens to suffer a physical ailment tens of millions suffer OR because s/he got caught doing something illegal or whatever.

That is insane.

I suppose if Karl Rove or Dick Cheney are in an accidental shooting leading to critical condition, suddenly I'm suppose to wish them,....what,...something greater than they considered when they CAUSED the deaths of so many and CAUSED the oppression of my neighbor?

Why? Who made that rule? Why SHOULDN'T they be abandoned,...by the likes of a human being like me? Why not?

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:39 PM
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49. can't think of a reason why not
they deserve nothing more or less than to be imprisoned for the rest of their natural lives. eternity ought to take care of the rest. i can't waste my energy on actively despising these people yet often i find myself doing just that. i'm outraged but like permanently. they deserve no compassion, and they'll get as much of mine as i got of theirs. if indeed they even possess any.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:10 PM
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25. Do THEY feel sorry for what they have done to others?
If not, then no effing compassion!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:11 PM
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26. Compassion is never wasted.
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 08:14 PM by BerryBush
Those capable of feeling it for anyone can always make more.

Adding: I guess it would be easier for me to be coldhearted and unfeeling if I truly believed that we all get only exactly what we deserve in this life. You know, only bad people get cancer, if they did it's because they are evil, etc.

But then I remember how some people said New Orleans deserved Katrina because it is "godless" and sinful.

I do believe that what separates us from these people is that we DON'T think that way. Otherwise we are no better than them. We're just the Coke to their Pepsi.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:18 PM
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29. You read my fortune cookie!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:35 PM
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33. Nah - that said "Compassion is never wasted IN BED."
:rofl:
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:56 PM
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36. *raises eyebrows* Maybe, you forgot to drop the "com" from 'compassion'?
:shrug:

I'm, obviously,...clueless.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:01 PM
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37. lol! It's just a common suffix to attach to one's fortune cookie sayings....
... to make them a little more interesting.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:20 PM
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30. It is when it becomes enabling rather than genuine compassion.
I think the Katrina and Coke comparison is ugly.

There are those who DO NEED compassion. These people do NOT NEED MINE. They have received far FAR FAR more from society and the common human lot than they EVER gave.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:38 AM
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52. Great post
and your subject line should be on t-shirts. I love it!
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:14 PM
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27. In response to questions posed on an opposite thread:
I didn't want to shit on that thread, but I think answering the questions is valid for this one.

"Are you so cold-hearted that you enjoy watching another person suffer?" If they get paid to be the mouthpiece of evil, yes, I do kinda enjoy watching them suffer. Just desserts, and all. Snow's selling of crime goes far beyond his WH job; did you ever listen to his show? The guy has less than a normal portion of humanity, and in that situation I don't really think he suffers like a normal person, so I don't feel as bad for him as I would a fully formed person. He's like a fish; I doubt fish suffer as much as cows, and BFEE types very likely don't suffer pain the same way as a healthy human would.

"Do you hold your political identity closer than you hold your sense of humanity?" Absolutely not. I am not much of a big D democrat, and my hatred of the BFEE has little to do with politics, and a lot to do with justice.

"Do you let others' actions dictate whether or not you have compassion for people?" If by 'other's actions' you mean 'the vile and contemptible acts of torture, murder, and mayhem they have helped to visit on hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world, including our own women and men in uniform as well as men, women and children of Iraq and Afghanistan and soon Iran', then Yes, I do let their actions dictate whether I have compassion for them.

"If you answered yes to any of the questions above, I truly pity you." I did in fact answer yes to two of them, but unfortunately I don't need your pity, I didn't ask for it, and I don't want it; it neither helps not hurts me, and it just comes off sounding like sanctimonious crap. You want to weep for Tony Snow, live it up, but I think he's getting off easy. And yes I have suffered the loss of people close to me, not only to cancer but to a wide variety of suffering, so don't bother with that track.

We're all going to die, and probably a bunch of the BFEE will do it without facing justice. I'm not going to shed a tear, no matter the cause of death, when any of them goes down painfully after a life lived wrong.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:31 PM
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32. I am human, a compassionate one. I am not compelled to give my compassion to those,...
,...who have shown utter contempt for human value.

I don't enjoy their suffering. I've seen too much suffering THEY CAUSED to have the energy to engage in enjoyment of ANY human suffering.

However, like you,...my compassion is compassed by justice. I accept that "justice" is human-made and imperfect and something requiring the attention and commitment of all of us. These people NEVER attended to or were committed to human justice. They were committed to their own selfish wants, to hell with the needs of humanity.

All I have to say to such people is, "good-bye". I don't feel any compulsion whatsoever to say anything more other than: (1) hope justice seeks you out; (2) hope you acknowledge your impact upon fellow human beings; and (3) hope you discover true compassion.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:05 PM
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39. You are better than I
I can at least acknowledge that much.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:35 PM
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42. For better or worse and everything in between,...
,...I don't know why you would post that, "You are better than I"

But, here is a :hug: for better or worse.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:23 PM
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31. The more compassion I give, the more I receive.
You may not think so, but a lack of it is, indeed "aweful".
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:36 PM
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34. That's never been an issue for me. If what you say is true, no compassion is due to those,...
,...who have shown none to all they have manipulated or caused pain or death.

Right?

Maybe, you'd feel aweful without the gift of compassion you have given and received. Don't assume those we are talking about feel the same way. Don't assume they feel anything at all.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:46 PM
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35. fuck that entire sick cabal.
if there is a satan, he's building a new circle in hell for the neo-cons and their acolytes.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:02 PM
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38. Is compassionn a scarce resource now?
Marx once said that the exchange economy would invade everything, would overtake all human action, such that things never dreamed before in terms of economy would fall under its spell. Most people take his statement to be referring to the rampant prostitution in Victorian London where he was writing Das Kapital, but Marx was much more a historian and much less a prude than that; he knew damn well that exchange had overtaken the sexual act long before the emergence of capitalism. No. He was talking about things like compassion, trust, friendship, affects that had never before been considered in terms of political economy; among the real ravages of capitalism was its transformation of thought, such that people can consider compassion a scarce resource, to be allocated out with proper parsimony. It is a terrifying world he foresaw. We just live in it, and it seems normal.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:27 PM
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40. No. Human compassion is NOT a "gadget". Why reduce it to that?
Why reduce the exercise of WISDOM in choosing how to exercise compassion to a capitalistic term?

Oh, I suppose you MUST BE SAYING my choice to withHOLD compassion for the cabal-in-charge somehow economically benefits,...or,...what the fuck are you saying?

:rofl:

",...exchange had overtaken the sexual act long before the emergence of capitalism."

Sorry to disappoint you but "capitalism" is for the few beneficiaries and consistently FAILS to transform 'thoughts' to the point that basic human empathy is killed off.

Neither Marx's fears or yours can change what is,...in my life,...and the lives beyond yours, mine, ours. Have you traveled much? Have you been around enough to hold some sense of human existence beyond your own?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:29 PM
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41. "waste my compassion..."
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 09:32 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Your words, not mine. You are the one who reduces compassion to a scarce resource, by your very own terms. Marx was also big on immanent critique. I don't need anyone else's words. Just your own.

Compassion can't be wasted. Only a fool who is thoroughly invaded by capitalist logic would think that it could be.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:43 PM
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43. Your mind and body may be ominous. Mine requires food and sleep and,...
,...time to care for my own existence and the existence of my family.

Did Marx die from starvation and sleep deprivation tolling out compassion? Obviously, you are alive and well.

btw WHAT do you DO when exercising compassion for others?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:43 AM
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53. So you DO believe
that compassion is a scarce resource, to be tallied up with all the other economic facts of your life.

There ya go. That was my point. Congratulations on proving it.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:40 AM
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55. I see your point, but disagree.

True, the apparent structure of capitalism can be certainly be *seen* to have permeated to peculiar and unexpected parts of our consciousnesses (what a clumsy word...) causing us to address everything we deal with even in the emotional spheres of our lives in terms of "owing" this and "withholding" that, but how would you go about demonstrating that this had taking place unconsciously, or was a conditioned response under duress, rather than a *natural* process?

Compassion, in some ways, *IS* a resource, it's possible to "run out" of patience with someone, to "lose interest" in someone's point of view, to "give" your heart to someone. It's addressed in terms of property, yes, but is that CAUSED by capitalism, and does it lead to our emotions being indirectly molded by the language structures thereof, or is it because the *nearest model* we have in our culture to our *already functional emotions* that we can use to describe our feelings are the linguistic constructs of capitalism?

I don't see how you could ever demonstrate empirically either one or the other, and being human, I have to say that my heart behaves a bit like a bank. Infinite compassion doesn't really mean anything to me anymore, it seems pretentious. If I feel compassion for someone or something, I have to use that compassion to their advantage somehow, I have to make my compassion matter in the physical world as well as my heart, or it's probably just me subconsciously aggrandising myself, making myself feel glowingly superior and super-nice.
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Mutineer Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:54 PM
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44. Because life is short?
and we are better than this, better than they are. This kind of hate is what they do, not our side. Because ALL human life should be important to us if we practice what we preach, no matter how worthless we might happen to think that life is (or at least what they are doing with it)? I refuse to be consumed with hating someone of a certain party to the point that I wish them all dead. I'm better than that. We should be better than that. But go ahead, hate away. I'm too busy with doing other things to consume myself with that kind of hate.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:15 PM
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46. Yup. Life is too short to allow ourselves to waste our compassion on oppressors.
I agree.

I'm too busy doing for others gracious for the mere expression of kindness and compassion.

It's an existence without hatred, unlike those who have made a living encouraging hatred in every form: self, others, heaven, earth, God, dog,....
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:22 PM
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48. I have too much on my beautiful mind.
I have compassion for his children, like the six poor, pathetic spawn of Goebbels and his demented wife. know how they ended up?

and that number 'six' rings a bell, too....

perhaps add six 'zeros' to it

go forward from there
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:46 PM
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50. At least Jefrey Dahmer had the decency to limit the number he butchered to the number he could eat.
Snow and the other warmongers have no such moral constraints. A million murdered, and they cheer and drool for more blood.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:44 AM
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54. I'm completely indifferent.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:25 AM
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57. Wow. Passionate people with a moral core. Jesus weeps for the wingers. nt
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:26 AM
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58. it's not possible to "waste" compassion . . . can't be done . . . n/t
.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 08:43 AM
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59. My first thought as well...
:thumbsup:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:53 AM
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61. "It's a number"
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:11 AM
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62. Compassion is a reaction to how we perceive suffering
Many times that perception involves us seeing ourselves or a loved one in that situation and asking 'what if that was me?' and how awful it would be if it were us. Many of us have seen someone die and suffer from cancer and know exactly what is going on with Snow.

That being said there will be varying reactions when the person affected is someone we detest - you don't care a bit, some think he deserves it and others only see the suffering being endured.


You are not wrong to not feel compassion for him just as those that do are not wrong either. Some people have a hard time seeing ANYONE suffer - that's what makes us different than those who we question if they are worthy of our compassion - and that is NOT a bad thing. If the other side felt that way we wouldn't be in the situation we are today.
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Jeroen Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:31 PM
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64. Compassionate or not.
I guess we all have a different understanding about compassion.
But since you brought it up, here’s mine:

Compassion is not something you quantize and it has little to do with 'feeling sorry' or forgiveness.
It is not some sort of noble property you chose to give or keep. It means 'understanding without judgment'.

I don’t feel sorry for hypocrites like Craig, but I can understand why and how he created this situation for himself.
All it takes is a little imagination. And that doesn't make me a saint, not at all.

I am not a Christian, but I admire Jesus: 'let he who is without sin, cast the first stone'.
That's what compassion is all about.

Jeroen
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:21 PM
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66. Good one
:thumbsup:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:32 PM
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65. I'm in 100% agreement with you
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:24 PM
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67. I'll just be glad when they're gone from politics
whether because of scandal or death. Death is the element in political progress that few of us wish to acknowledge. If there were no death we would still have slaveowners running the country.
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:28 PM
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68. I got so pissed off this morning, because I dropped a jar of compassion and it broke everywhere
It was stuck way back in the back of my pantry, and I really had to reach to get it, and it just slipped out of my hand. What a huge waste of compassion! It's a shame, because now I'll have to go searching everywhere for another jar -- it's really hard to find, most places don't even stock it. And when I do find it, it will probably be so damn expensive that I can't even afford it. And if anybody sees me buying it in the check out line, I just know they'll mutter and talk about me behind my back, because nobody can stand a person who has too much compassion. Guess I'll have to hide it under a magazine with the tampons and Preparation H.

Oh, wait! I forgot! Compassion is free, because I make it in my heart, and it never can run out, and it's got this great side effect, in that it makes me a better and more likable person every time I manage to muster up a little bit of it. Woo-hoo! No problem after all.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:30 PM
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69. Tony Snow I feel for. Craig - NADA, zilch
Edited on Sat Sep-01-07 01:40 PM by Mandate My Ass
Tony Snow is a husband and father and is dying before his family's eyes. I cannot wish that on anyone and I feel sorry for all of them although he's doing nothing to redeem himself and will go down spewing the propaganda that will get many others killed. But my compassion is basically for me and not for him because he'd likely reject it or sneer at it.

Craig on the other hand is suffering from a totally self-inflicted and very much-deserved wound. The only "punishment" he is suffering is the inability to continue leading the double life of an utterly insincere and dangerous hypocrite.
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Fla_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:32 PM
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70. How difficult it must be
How difficult it must be to go through life with limited compassion. That it must be split and allotted based on how deserving the recipient is deemed. :cry:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 01:37 PM
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72. Oh How Silly. Since When Does It Require Energy To Have Compassion? And Waste Your Compassion?
What's that all about?

Do you have only limited supplies of compassion, that you must conserve until justttttttt the right person steps up to ask for it? Sounds pretty silly. :silly:

Those who understand compassion also understand that its quantities are limitless and the expression of such takes no energy nor effort. It's just something that 'is'.

So that's not to say that one is expected to feel compassion for every single person in any given circumstance every single time; it just means that your arguments put forth here regarding why, such as 'wasting it' or 'giving energy' are monumentally silly and laughable.

There's no energy required nor any compassion quota met by feeling compassion for them. One can feel compassion for them as well as all those others you feel deserving without having to choose between them. I would think you'd know this.

But it appears your almost irrational hate is trumping your sense of common decency here, at least to some degree. But we all may have our moments where our hate overcomes our better sense of compassion. But we should always strive to overcome the hate and find compassion whenever possible, or reasonable. I don't think it's unreasonable here.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 03:04 PM
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73. Fair enough
I don't think you're an awful person although you may be somewhat bitter (understandable these days).
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