FUCK holding my nose. I WILL VOTE FOR WHOMEVER WINS THE DEM NOMINATION

[cherokeeprogressive]

By all accounts, this election will put us in power in BOTH houses, and the Executive.

That said, when it happens I will DEMAND an immediate end to this illegal war, and that every American Citizen be provided with health care, EMPLOYED OR NOT, and job security. I will also DEMAND that every "forward" based serviceman/woman be brought home POST HASTE. Fuck basing Americans in So. Korea, Japan, Germany, or ANY other place outside of our boders. The Germans have nothing to fear, nor do the Japanese or Koreans. Let them defend THEIR OWN borders.

I'll DEMAND an end to the war on drugs. DEMAND therapy rather than incarceration for drug abusers. Poppy farmers in Pakistan and Afghanistan wouldn't be growing those evil little flowers if WE didn't DEMAND the drug they produce.

When we control GUBMINT in '09 I'll expect, no, DEMAND that those things happen IMMEDIATELY. There will be NO EXCUSE once we control the House, Senate, and Executive.

If those things don't happen IMMEDIATELY, I'll actively work towards replacing those DEMS who stand in the way with DEMS who CAN make it happen.

END THE WARS. Then start working towards ENDING the destruction of our planet.

Once again, by all accounts, there should be NO EXCUSE for those things NOT to start happening after 1/20/09.

[More Than A Feeling]

1. Are you prepared to hear how we don't really control things

because we don't have a filibuster-proof majority in the senate? That's a likely outcome, unless we either take out Mitch McConnell, or get 11 seats (to eliminate the Lieberman factor). More excuses and delays, and incremental changes at best. It will be nice to stop digging, but we will still be in a hole half way to China.

[Nite Owl]

2. I can hear it already

...but, but...

[cherokeeprogressive]

6. The filibuster-proof majority in the Senate can be overcome.

I'm sick and tired of hearing EXCUSES.

Are we in a mind to make a change, or not?

[More Than A Feeling]

7. As it stands now, that's not our decision to make.

The elites in the corporate media and an obstructionist Republican minority will tell us whether we are going to make changes or not. They always have our best interests at heart.:sarcasm:

[iamthebandfanman]

28. well

atleast it looks like we will gain 2 seats in the senate!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Hear, hear!

That's saying it like it is!

K&R

No excuses at all!

:patriot:

[BeHereNow]

4. Because we just KNOW they will save us?

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
Fuck holding my nose-
I'm not holding my breath given the
track record so far...

BHN:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
There can be NO solution until Americans fully acknowledge
WHAT the problem is. We have been sold down the river
by BOTH sides of the aisle- NOW WHAT?

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. You can laugh at my banging my head against the rock.

Call me "water". Water bangs against rock for millenia, and during that time, ROCK CHANGES.

I've heard it said that "if water doesn't like you, you're FUCKED."

If we've been sold down the river by BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE (which I agree with btw), then it's time to change those sitting on OUR SIDE OF THE AISLE.

I KNOW our side of the aisle has our best interests at heart.

Laugh if you want.

[Usrename]

31. I don't understand you at all.

This current agenda that you are so upset about... it's the agenda of the Democratic party leadership.

How is electing more of the same supposed to change anything?

I am just wondering what you are thinking?

[Poiuyt]

5. Absolutely! We need to get the Supreme Court back!

[Ioo]

9. I may be forced to go to the polls, and not vote for pres...

Sorry dude, I am not going to just give my vote to a Republican-Lite...

[cherokeeprogressive]

10. So you're saying that you'd rather see a THUG elected, than vote for the DEM nominee?

??

[Ioo]

11. Ummm, That is up to the Dems, There are THUGS in the Dems too

It is not as black and white as you want... therea re many gray republicans and democrats... sometime it is the same shade of gray

Look guys, the dems should have won the last two elections, but we watered down out choose, and we picked wrong AGAIN... if we do it again, I will not vote

[cherokeeprogressive]

12. So let me get this straight: You MIGHT not vote for the DEM nominee? eom

[Ioo]

14. Oh I will vote in the primary, might pass in the Gen Election.

If the Dems just pick a Republican-Lite, I will pass on the Gen Election

THe OP speaks not about the primary, they speak of the General Election.

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. Isn't an abstention as good as a vote for the other side? eom

[Ioo]

18. No, it is not. I am not going to vote for a Repulican, or a Republican lite

Why is your vote so easy to get? So Jeb Bush could run as a Dem and you would vote for him?

No people, I am not a blind cow, I am not going to just vote for the D, that is retarded... Blind faith is what has given us the current administration, it gives us uber-right-wing abortion clinic bombers, and it is what gave us 9/11. BLIND FAITH is BAD FAITH!

If I do not agree with the Dem that gets the call, I will go and vote for my local stuff and NOT VOTE for the president.

Now if the Dems as a group select someone who I think is real, who I think is worth my vote, I will cast it, but my vote is not so easily sold.

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. I don't care how you cut it, a NON VOTE is a vote AGAINST. EOM

[Ioo]

24. No it is not, unless you think we have already lost... Did we?

There is nothing mathematical that says not voting at all is a vote AGAINST. If it is, then 50% of America who did not show up in 2004 voted against who?

You just do not get it, my vote is not just go to the person with a D behind their names, no questioned asked, that is the most un-American thing you could ever do if you ask me.

For your hypothesis to be even near true then you will have to assume that the DEMS CAN NOT WIN EVER, and I do not think that is true. If the Dems win 55 to 45 how is my NON vote a vote against? Would you rather me vote Nader? That is a vote against...

No my friend, I am not going to just blindly punch a hole in a card for no other reason than they are Democrats.

[Oldenuff]

22. I have to agree,

Somehow,I don't expect the best candidate will ever get nominated.I am a registered Democrat,but I will vote my conscience...no more holding my nose.If that means going outside the party,then I will.I owe it to myself and my country to not get "lesser eviled" again.

Check your favorite candidates position on the Patriot Act,and then tell me if they really believe in furthering the cause of liberty.

Or not.

[emilyg]

17. Shame.

[Nimrod2005]

13. Ditto

[GeorgeGist]

15. I think you've already ...

let the excuse out of the bag ... again.

God help me wonder if enough people will ever get it.

[UTUSN]

19. You don't have to hold your nose that much. Everybody in the 2nd row was better than the "winners" n

[Hosnon]

21. I agree. Regardless of whomever the nominee is, I will vote for him or her without reservation. NT.

[AlCzervik]

23. me too because quite frankly the thought of a republican appointing any more supreme court justices

makes me queasy.

[Hosnon]

26. It is a devil's bargain though. If I vote for the nominee because I don't want

a Republican, I encourage potential nominees to be only slightly better than the Republicans (or worse, as long as a "D" is beside their names). If I attempt to discourage this type of behavior, I have to vote for a Democrat other than the nominee or a third party candidate which increases the likelihood that a Republican will win.

Sigh...

[creeksneakers2]

30. You have a chance to encourage a potential nominee

in the primaries.

[NNN0LHI]

25. Getting the Nuclear Football away from insane Rapture Ready Republicans will be worth everything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Football

The Nuclear Football, otherwise known as the President's Emergency Satchel, and sometimes also referred to as The Button, is a specially-outfitted, black-colored briefcase used by the President of the United States of America to authorize the use of nuclear weapons. Adopted to permit the President to make a nuclear attack order while away from fixed command centers, such as the White House Situation Room, it functions as a mobile node in the strategic defense system of the United States. While exact details about the Football are highly classified, several sources have provided information regarding the bag, its contents, and operation.

Contents
It is presumed to hold a secure SATCOM radio and handset for communication, and any other materials that the president would rely on should a decision to use nuclear weapons need to be made. These include summaries of various predetermined attack options as well as plans to handle the national emergency that would follow a nuclear attack and retaliation. These materials are generated by, respectively, the National Security Agency, the United States Strategic Command (attack options), and the United States National Security Council (security/continuity-of-government plans). Contrary to popular belief, the Football does not contain the daily revisions of the nuclear launch codes (known as the "Gold Codes") which are typically kept on the president's person, but rather is a means by which the president can decide upon nuclear attack options and transmit that decision. The attack options provided in the football are part of the Single Integrated Operational Plan (SIOP), which contains different scenarios that involve the use of nuclear weaponry.

Some accounts specifically assert that the case contains equipment and protocols for activating the Emergency Alert System (EAS). This is a logical assumption since, by the Federal Communication Commission's own official description, the EAS is designed to allow the president to address the nation within ten minutes of a national emergency, no matter where he/she happens to be at the time.

The case itself is a metallic, possibly bullet-resistant, modified Zero Halliburton briefcase which is carried inside a black leather "jacket." The entire package weighs approximately 40 pounds (18 kg). A small antenna, presumably for the SATCOM radio, protrudes from the bag near the handle. Another common misconception is that the Football is handcuffed to its carrier. Rather, a black cable is employed that loops around the handle of the bag and the wrist of the aide.


Operation
The Nuclear Football functions as the primary "trigger" for the United States nuclear arsenal. According to experts, in the event the president, as commander-in-chief, decides to order the use of nuclear weapons, he/she would be taken aside and the aide would open the briefcase. At that point, the aide and the president would review the attack options and decide upon a particular plan, whether that be a single cruise missile, or a large-scale ICBM launch. Next, using the SATCOM radio, the aide would make contact with the National Military Command Center or, in a post first-strike situation, an airborne command post plane (likely a Boeing E-4B). Before the order is processed by the military, the president must positively identify himself/herself using a special code issued to him/her on a plastic card, nicknamed the "biscuit." Once all the codes have been verified, the military would issue attack orders to the proper units.

The Football is carried by one of the rotating presidential military aides (one from each of the five service branches), who occasionally is physically attached to the briefcase. This person is a commissioned officer in the U.S. military, pay-grade O-4 or above, who has undergone the nation's most rigorous background check (Yankee White). These officers, who are armed, are required to keep the Football within ready access of the president at all times. Consequently, an aide, Football in hand, is always either standing or walking near the president or riding in Air Force One, Marine One, or the presidential motorcade with him.


History
The Football dates back to Dwight D. Eisenhower, but its current usage came about in the aftermath of the Cuban missile crisis, when John F. Kennedy worried about the commander-in-chief's ability to authorize a nuclear attack. First, he was worried that a nuclear attack order would be given without his permission. Second, in an era without cellular telephones, Kennedy felt that he would be unable to make and communicate a nuclear attack decision unless he was at a location hardwired to the Pentagon. The result of these concerns was an overhaul of America’s nuclear weapons command and control system, including the invention of a remote node for the decision-making system. This node was the Nuclear Football.

[NNN0LHI]

27. kick

[sendero]

29. If the democratic party...

... does not take concrete steps to end this war in the wake of the GAO report and the pack of lies coming from Patreaus, you won't have to worry about voting because the Dems won't be winning jack shit.

The American people, not just "progressives" and DUers but the American people are sick and tired of this and the 18% approval rating shows it.

If they don't get off their asses and DO SOMETHING, Dems will have as big a GOTV problem in 2008 ad Republicans already have.

[jzodda]

32. I will vote for whoever the nominee is even though I want Gore

Because whats the alternative? Help the Repukes keep the white house and continue leading us on a path to destruction? Lets face it if this country imploded the Repukes (at least their leaders) will all be able to move to the swiss alps or some other resort area. The rest of us are stuck here. Its up to the Dems to repair the nation and take it back from the rich greedy bastards who are running things now in league with the US wing of the Taliban.

[PaganPreacher]

33. Demand all you want. It won't change anything.

Continue to stamp your feet in impotent rage. All it will do is leave you with sore feet.

None of the top-tier Dem contenders for President want the things you want. Some of the things you want are outside the control of any President anyway.

"I demand an immediate end to this illegal war". Not gonna happen, even with a Dem in the White House and a Dem majority in both houses of Congress. Why? Because all those Dems are beholden to Big Money donors and corporate supporters. Do you think a newly elected Dem Senator from Indiana is going to go against the wishes of AM General, who builds the HumVee in Mishawaka? Do you think he will vote to cut thousands of union jobs in his state, and cut his own political throat? Money talks and bullshit walks, and you aren't showing him the money.

"I demand that all forward based service men/woman be brought home". Our treaty obligations, which no President can undo, obligate us to base our military on foreign soil. The John Birch Society tried to influence Congress to cancel treaties and withhold foreign aid in the 1950s and '60s, and it didn't work for them either. Are you a neo-John Bircher? Maybe you should be voting for neo-Bircher Ron Paul!

"(I) demand therapy rather than incarceration for drug abusers". Most incarcerated drug offenders are in state prisons, for violations of state laws. No President, no Congress, and no Federal court can undo those state laws, or demand the states provide treatment instead of incarceration. That pesky Constitution is getting in the way of your dreams, ain'it?

Face it. You won't find satisfaction among the crop of corporatist Dem candidates, and the pureblood change-the-world types don't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of getting elected.

By all means, vote for a Democrat, but don't be surprised when you get screwed without getting kissed first. The only difference between the Pubs and the Dems is that the Dem will call you the next day and ask you out again- and he still won't kiss you first.


The Pagan Preacher
Slapping you in the face with the fish of reality