Tell me I'm wrong.....AFL-CIO supports false ID and illegal immigration

[Robson]

PLEASE......Tell me I'm wrong and that the AFL-CIO didn't just say the hell with their members and support more illegal immigration by opposing government rules that would have notified employers when the social security number of their employee appeared to be invalid and was a duplicate of another US citizen.

The ACLU filed the suit on their behalf? It seems to me that the AFL-CIO and the ACLU don't understand that their job is to promote and defend the rights of American labor and the US Constitution, not the rights of illegal immigrants that are stealing jobs from their constituents.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8RB1KS00.htm

[democrat2thecore]

1. I'm a BIG supporter of labor, BUT....

This is nothing more than a move to preserve millions in union dues in closed-shops who have hired illegal immigrants.

[bread_and_roses]

8. what planet do you live on? What a crock. (n/t)

[democrat2thecore]

10. Great, thoughtful, kind post

Why can't you state why you disagree and just be civil? There's no need to be that way. It's not like we are enemies. If you have a different opinion - great! I stated what I think to be the big reason behind the push to keep illegals in their jobs - and paying dues. I have a degree in Labor Studies, know my labor history and know that sometimes organized labor today puts $$$ for the leadership ahead of the best interests of the rank-and-file. I support American jobs staying in America - but not when they are taken away by illegals from any country. If you have a different opinion - I respect that. But I am not your enemy.

[dogman]

2. Read the last paragraph.

Snip>An estimated 12.7 million of the 17.8 million discrepancies in SSA's database -- more than 70 percent -- involved native-born U.S. citizens, according to a December 2006 report from the Social Security Administration's Office of the Inspector General.<snip

It would seem they are doing their job, protecting American workers.

[Robson]

3. But it should be a red flag

Obviously if I'm a citizen and my SS# comes up on a hit list, I should be able to defend my position which I can with other documents. BTW I still have my original SS card with my signature from many years ago. If I'm questioned on my number I'd love for them to claim I'm an illegal immigrant. If I was an illegal immigrant with false ID and without other supporting documents it might be more difficult.

BTW illegal immigrant proponents whether it be the GOP, or Dems in Congress, or the churches, or unions, or ACLU are all greedy bastards looking for more for their little interest fiefdoms, instead of looking out for the interests of those that they are supposed to represent.

[dogman]

5. I fully support employer sanctions.

This however lets the employer dump responsibility on the employee. If some other person has your SS# and you rely on the same agency that has a greater than 70% error rate, you could find yourself unemployed. This administration has another goal, the failure of government. I would not want my job dependent on their ability to do their job. We need a government that will act honorably first. Once a reliable system for verification is in place, I think employers should face confiscation of all money and property.

[Robson]

11. I do agree

Regarding the government screwing up the records, you have a very valid point. It will always happen. No database is ever going to be 100% accurate and fail proof. SS records obviously need corrected and updated. This program is about putting some integrity and common sense back into that system. There needs to be a very reasonable and efficient appeal process that is not disruptive to employees or others that are wrongfully accused of using false documents if there is found to be incorrect information.

When the government has multiple names and addresses and employers for the same SSN, obviously something needs corrected. Either the feds database has an incorrect entry, the employER is reporting an incorrect number, the employEE is reporting an incorrect number, or the recipient of a SS or SSI check is using an incorrect number. There is no rational reason why this should be allowed to continue. It should have been done years ago.

There are more than illegal immigrants scamming the system using false social security documents. There are convicted felons and others abusing the system, either to get jobs or SS checks that they don't deserve.

It happens to be a felony to commit id theft. Those illegal immigrants that are knowingly using false documents need identified and deported. The employers, if they are aiding and abetting, need prosecuted as felons also. It is highly likely that there are corrupt employers that are guilty of the even more serious felony of trafficking in stolen ID documents, as they have furnished the social security numbers. Logically one would think that once this system is put into place, it is likely that the use of false ID by employers and employees will come to an end because they know it will no longer be overlooked and winked at by the government.

A reliable verification system is needed to take any excuse away from those employers who hire illegal workers. Those employers that do should face severe penalties and/or criminal punishment.

[struggle4progress]

4. If the govt frigs up yr paperwork, you can't hold a job more than 90 days. And you support this?

Thanks anyway but no thanks.

[billyoc]

6. You're wrong. n/t

[rucky]

7. It's the job of unions to protect worker's rights

period.

if they don't step up, who will?

Honestly, I don't see a problem with this law on its surface, so I don't know why they're protesting it, but I DO believe it is the ACLU's and Union's jobs to protect ALL workers.

If we can get the outfits who hire illegals unionized, then their rights will be protected.

If the exploitation of illegal labor goes unchecked we'll have a (larger) slave labor market in the US. The more serious crimes are not by the undocumented workers, but by the employers who exploit them. Eyes on the prize, here.

Let me tell you a story about what's happening at a gas station in the next town up from me. The owners are hiring Tibetian students here on I-20 student visas to work illegally and pay them under the table. They set them up with an apartment, open a bank account for them - help them buy a car. About 6 months into their stay, the employer accuses them of stealing, cleans out the bank account (that they opened for them) and kicks them to the curb after beating the shit out of them. The Tibetians won't go to the cops because they were working illegally. I know this is happening, because two of them are staying in my father-in-law's basement while they finish their schooling. The same thing happened to both of them, from the same employer, on separate occasions. They absolutely won't talk to the cops and they're scared as hell.

This is a small town with practically zero immigrant population. Imagine what's going on in larger communities.


Good on the Civil Liberties groups for standing up for everyone.

[treestar]

9. Undocumented aliens could make up a lot of union membership

In fact, the fact they are undocumented now would be the only reason they don't join the unions and try to enforce their rights.

The premise that every nonAmerican is somehow a threat to the American worker is also open to question, too.