Obama/Edwards vs. Hillary/anybody

[yurbud]

This is totally unfair, but imagine Gore doesn't enter the race, and we are left with pretty much the field we have now.

If Obama & Edwards were on the same ticket (with either at the top) would that be enough to unseat Hillary and get a more progressive ticket?

[saltpoint]

1. A lot of county people haven't swung into gear yet. A lot of universities

and colleges are just now beginning their fall terms. There's a lot of local initiative, and cash, and mobilization that's still to kick in.

We can predict the general concerns of voters, but we aren't sure yet which order they'll place those concerns when they begin looking at the candidates.

We don't know the skills and gifts of the advertising teams for the candidates either, and for better or worse, they have a lot to do with public perception of candidates.

We can be fairly certain that John McCain is not going to even NEED a campaign director; he's going to need a FUNERAL director. Bring your hymnals.

Pundits are eager now as they were in 04 to marginalize Kucinich, but they do not clinically know if they'll succeed. They might. They might not.

Tancredo drew what -- 14% -- in the Iowa straw poll? Here are the quick results:

1. Mitt Romney –32 percent
2. Mike Huckabee – 18 percent
3. Sam Brownback – 15 percent
4. Tom Tancredo – 14 percent
5. Ron Paul – 9 percent
6. Tommy Thompson — 7 percent
7. Fred Thompson – 1 percent
8. Rudolph W. Giuliani – 1 percent
9. Duncan Hunter – 1 percent
10. John McCain (less than 1 percent)
11. John Cox (less than 1 percent)

The vote totals for the top three: Mr. Romney — 4,516 votes; Mr. Huckabee — 2,587; Mr. Brownback – 2,192.

McCain phoned in his part and got the results to show for it. Giuliani only a notch better and Fred Thompson no better than Giuliani. It's hard to get much farther right wing than those top 4 candidates, IMO. A frightening bunch.

Dodd is well-funded and resourceful. I'm waiting to see how he spends his money and where, thinking he just can't be counted out with that kind of mind and that fat a wallet.

Biden's stand against John Bolton matters to me a great deal, inasmuch as I felt that John Bolton was the worst of the very worst appointees Bush made -- and that's saying something. Bolton was a subhuman monster, a world-class bigot, an unclassifiable biped with a cartoon mustache and the devil's own maggots gnawing at his perseverant brain. We are rid of him in large part thanks to Joe Biden. I think Biden climbs into this race this fall and contends for the nomination big time by January.

I think Giuliani has peaked and now the hectoring begins from his fellow Republicans, and the numbers begin to wobble, then drop, and finally tank. Senator Clinton is whipping his worthless hindend in New York State already, and she's going to continue to do so, as will all our likely nominees. Rudy's a fool to think he can pimp 9/11 all the way to the Oval Office.

Edwards is in stride these days. Labor Day Weekend is the right backdrop for a campaign like his. David Bonior is not of my acquaintance but I'd love to have a cup of coffee with him and listen to his tales of working people as the fabric of neighborhoods. There's good and persuasive evidence of that in the fine job he's doing on Edwards' campaign. Britt Hume does not want John Edwards in the White House. And that's a very telling starting point.

Senator Clinton is the odds-on favorite to be the next President of the United States. We'll see how things play out in Iowa and New Hampshire. If she wins one or both these early races she'll be nigh impossible to dislodge. If she loses one or both, she'll have to extend the claws.

I personally think anyone who discounts Barack Obama's chances to be president is short-changing the trend. Obama would draw people into the voter registration rolls. After 6-8 years of Dubya, Barack Obama would speak to our better angels. Watch this space.

Gary Hart, Wes Clark, Al Gore. Three damned good people. We don't know the role they'll play yet, but my guess is that it will be influential at the least and monumental at the most. I think at least two of those gents would agree to serve as Vice President or Sec. of State in the interests of re-establishing our nation as a good neighbor to other global communities. And I think one might be interested in the EPA job and would do that position real, real proud.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. stands on the banks of the Hudson River in Manhattan and his profile to me looks like that of someone who could alter the entire landscape of citizenship. I have no idea what his plans are. But if he says he wants to run for elective office, I don't think he's going to have much difficulty recruiting volunteers.

I see a lot of awfully convincing Democrats in this field. I see a dreadful cluster of cretinous goons for the Republicans.

That's my hinge.

Let's kick some butt.

[yurbud]

3. I'd be happy with Clark as VP or sec of state.

[saltpoint]

4. Hi, yurbud. I'd be really surprised if he weren't on our announced

candidates list for both jobs right now, this minute. Same for Gary Hart.

Whether Gore would take either position remains to be seen, but who knows, he might.

[yurbud]

7. I can't see Gore taking either. He'll either be top of the ticket or elder statesman

[saltpoint]

9. I bet you're right. He won in 2000 and likely would prefer the top spot again.

[yurbud]

17. the primary season has gotten so long, Fred Thompson looks smart for waiting to get in

although not for anything else.

I did love him as Gopher on Love Boat though.

http://fredpresident08.blogspot.com/

[saltpoint]

24. LOL! True -- if Fred doesn't get the nomination, I'm smellin' LOVE BOAT REMAKE!

[Swamp Rat]

22. "Bolton was a subhuman monster"

"... a world-class bigot, an unclassifiable biped with a cartoon mustache and the devil's own maggots gnawing at his perseverant brain." :rofl: Sir, you are correct!! :D



I agree. We owe Biden a LOT for that. :thumbsup:

Regarding the 2008 presidential election, I think Al Gore and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. together would win a landslide victory never before seen in our lifetime. ;)

[saltpoint]

23. Gore-Kennedy. My god that would rock the rafters, no question about it.

We'd see each other in the voting line for a ticket like that.

Agree -- it would generate a Democratic victory in landslide proportions.

John Bolton never looked more like himself than he does up there in your image. Pretty much how I remember him, too, and always will remember him. What a miserable guy he was and what an insult to the world for Dubya to nominate him for that post.

[yurbud]

34. Bolton was Ann Coulter's uglier, meaner sister.

[Swamp Rat]

36. That's a scary thought!

[yurbud]

37. that's what she'd look like if she stopped shaving and got a shorter haircut

[deacon]

32. Edwards/Obama wins the whole thing. n/t

[LWolf]

2. Probably, if you buy the fairy tale that Obama is "progressive."

I don't find him all that progressive, myself. As a matter of fact, I don't see much difference between Obama and HRC.

I'd like to see some unified plans to make sure that neither of them end up on the ticket.

[saltpoint]

5. Now don't get me going on fairy tales, LWolf. That stirs up a wild

concoction of archetypal deep-rooted pathos-charged images and ideas that we just can't squeeze in here on Labor Day night.

[LWolf]

6. Regretfully, I agree.

I'm supposed to be outside doing evening chores as I type, and I can hear chickens and horses getting restless.

A discussion of which archetype each candidate represents would certainly be fascinating, though. :D

[saltpoint]

8. Well I'm not going to steal your idea, and it is rightfully yours fair and

square.

If you do a post on it, I may contribute, but I sure like the notion.

You know which candidate in the 2008 gives me the worst case of the creeps? Romney. That guy is unstable. He's from the dark cobweb cellars of a long-ago time when physicians bled people to prompt health.

[sniffa]

10. i wouLd vote if there were more than 3 dems running

as such, i can't vote. if kucinich was in the race i'd vote fot him. if even some other peopLe Like biLL richardson or christopher dodd were running, i may just vote for them in this vote. :sigh:

[Toasterlad]

14. Amen, Sniffa.

The OP opines (hee) that Obama/Edwards is perhaps a more progressive ticket than Hillary/?. Neither Obama, nor Edwards, nor Hillary are progressive. The foundation of your poll is flawed.

Stop drinking the kool-aid, DU. Vote for the candidate YOU want, not for the one that has been chosen for you. Stop being a sheep.

[sniffa]

25. frankLy

i've been spouting this position i first joined. i've aLways been registered indy, and i've aLways been a rabid voter. and since the age of 17 (when i first voLunteered for a campaign) i've been over the top with Lambasting anyone and everyone i knew who didn't vote reguLarLy in every eLection. in addition, i've aLways Layered on more abuse if they were going to vote without actuaLLy Looking at the candidates.

everyone abLe to vote shouLd vote; and everyone shouLd vote their conscience.

[yurbud]

19. on ideas, I'd vote for Kucinich, but he would either be ridiculed out of the race or taken out if he

was the nominee.

Richardson, Dodd, and Biden are too establish, and if you rolled all three of them together, they don't have the poll numbers of dump Hillary took this morning.

[sniffa]

21. in generaL, i suppose you are right

however, Look at the repubLican candidates who go out of their way to court the far right voters. they make no bones about it either.

there are onLy 2 presidentiaL candidates who court the Left in an honest manner.

that being said, i wiLL vote for the candidate who best represents me. everyone shouLd vote the same way, and anyone doesn't is a shamefuL disgrace.

[yurbud]

30. I agree, and my poll question here doesn't reflect how I will vote in primaries or who I will give

money to (Kucinich).

The longer Dennis stays in the race and keeps the heat on the leaders, the better.

[Lex]

11. John Edwards/Wes Clark.

nt

[mod mom]

12. 1st choice GORE, but would actively support/work for any DEM except HRC.

Yes, I realize I would have to leave DU should she be the candidate, but my days of voting straight D knowing and believing what I do of the DLC, have changed that. It's issues over party.

[yurbud]

20. some Dems seem like they want their party to beat the GOP to the ash heap of history

and staying in that race seems about the only thing they are good at besides corruption.

[BlueIris]

13. It's not a question we'll have to ask. Neither Gore, Hillary, Edwards, or Obama are going to get

nominated.

No, I swear to God.

I am more sure of it than ever now.

[saltpoint]

15. BlueIris, that's a bold prediction. I'm dying to know who you think wil

get the nomination.

[BlueIris]

28. I'm surprised to read that you think it's "bold."

Just wait.

[saltpoint]

29. I'll have no choice but to wait, I guess. Are you going to tell me

the prediction, or should I order a pizza and subscribe to the paper?

[yurbud]

18. who will? Kucinich? I love the guy but you know what will happen to him if he got within spitting

distance of winning the general election.

He would join MLK, RFK, and Wellstone in the long line of progressives who became too much of a nuisance to the suits that really run things.

[Hieronymus]

16. Edwards won't be anyone's vice presidential candidate .. he will be

nominated as the Democratic candidate for president. :applause:

[illinoisprogressive]

26. Hillary is very beatable. the press is trying to convince people she is inevitable

However, I remember this senate primary race here with this guy being touted as inevitable and unbeatable. he was leading by a wide margin over #2 three weeks before the primary.
then, some ugly story came out about him beating up his ex wife.
So, Obama won the primary in historic fashion carrying the suburbs and southern Il. He racked up the biggest primary percent in history here.
Moral of the story: NO ONE IS INEVITABLE.

[yurbud]

38. one reason why Hillary seems unbeatable is valid: she survived the right wing gauntlet before

she is not my first, second, or third choice, but that is something she has in her column.

[Zomby Woof]

27. Edwards will NOT be VP twice

He will either get the top of the ticket, or not at all. Anyone who picks him for the VP slot again knows next to nothing about modern presidential politics.

[brentspeak]

33. Exactly.

He didn't go through all of this just to be someone's Number 2 for the second election cycle in a row.

[yurbud]

35. what is it we don't know? some kind of presidential superstition? If I was him I wouldn't run with

Kerry again, or anyone else who looked like they'd be a weak-kneed sister, but teaming up with Gore would be another matter.

Also, even if he hooked up with Obama or Hillary (shudder), he would be well-positioned to be be pres when either of them were through.

[Clintonista2]

31. Progressive/Pragmatic Hillary Vs. Idealistic/Naive Obama