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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:30 AM
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This is where some of the 35% Bush supporters live (yes, Maryland!!!!!)
Man, just read this! This is what we are up against! Alice in Wonderland (and even in Maryland!)


By David Nitkin | Sun reporter
September 4, 2007

SALISBURY - If there is a corner of the Mid-Atlantic that can still be called Bush Country, this is it. On Maryland's Eastern Shore, solid Republican territory where Old Glory hangs from front porches and melon farms are handed down through generations, voters express grudging support for a president who they say has done the best he could under difficult circumstances.
Residents say they expect a long fight in the Middle East and have yet to think seriously about the next president.

The Iraq war may not be going as expected, but "I don't think it's anybody's fault," said Prana Saveikis, a 70-year-old data processing retiree who voted for Bush twice.

"The Muslim mindset is quite different. We hadn't anticipated that," he said. "I don't think we can blame the president or our politicians. The rest of the world did not see that."

In less than two weeks, the White House will deliver its latest progress report on Iraq, and is steeling for a renewed fight with congressional Democrats who have called for an end to the war. Each side is seeking evidence that will provide an advantage, positioning itself for the coming election.

But the debate is just a faint echo across the flat farmland and encroaching subdivisions here, where a sense of resignation over the war and the administration's handling of it has settled in.

"I think we need to stay in Iraq. We didn't do Japan and Germany this quickly," said Steven Bacon, 56, a former Maryland state trooper who calls himself a "George Bush fan," but gives the president a failing grade for his handling of the war. "People's patience is thin. We are in a microwave society. Everything needs to be done in a minute."

The president took a clear majority of the vote in 2004 in the congressional district that includes Wicomico County and the rest of the Eastern Shore. It is generally friendly country for members of the Bush administration, some of whom own Chesapeake Bay waterfront homes nearby - notably Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

But even in this GOP stronghold, expectations are low for the final months of Bush's term. Residents see little progress in Iraq or the other issues, yet they don't foresee a successor doing any better.

"It's a bad situation. He's done what he's had to do so far," said David Boog, 64, waiting for customers at the one-chair Hebron Barber Shop, where fishing gear is sold alongside combs. "I can't see anybody coming up with alternate plans that make sense. To pull out now is not an option."

Bush "probably thinks he's doing the best he can do," said Linda Wessells, 52, a registered nurse who recently wrapped a yellow ribbon around a tree in her front yard to commemorate this year's Salisbury University commencement speaker, whose National Guard unit is heading for Iraq.

"We certainly don't want Iraq to come over here," Wessells said. "You have to finish what you started."

That opinion isn't widely shared across the country right now. About six in 10 voters say they don't approve of the way Bush is handling his job, the most recent national polls show. An even greater proportion doesn't like the way things are heading in Iraq.

But on the Eastern Shore, Mike Harcum says he believes withdrawing from Iraq would be a serious mistake.

"If we don't see it through, it will be the waste of a tremendous amount of lives," said Harcum, a Hebron farmer, as he climbed into his mud-splattered pickup truck after eating with friends at the Hebron Family Restaurant.

Harcum, 44, is a Bush supporter who says he doesn't expect much progress between now and the end of the president's term. "The last year, he's not going to get anything done," he said. "Democrats are controlling too much."

He said he hasn't thought much about who might get his vote next year. "I'm looking more toward the actor," he said, a reference to Fred Thompson, the former Republican senator from Tennessee who is expected to announce his candidacy Thursday.

A short drive up Nanticoke Road, Harcum's father, Ralph Harcum, was selling melons, tomatoes and peaches at a fruit stand that is a fixture on U.S. 50, the highway that connects Easton, Cambridge, Salisbury and Ocean City along the spine of the Lower Shore.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.bushmd04sep04,0,3467747.story?coll=bal_tab01_layout:wtf: :wtf:
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:36 AM
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1. bambino....LOL!.....That was funny....Did you get that from the "Onion" ??
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 10:36 AM by BlueJazz
I tell Ya...Those folks at the Onion have a very strange sense of Humor. LOL!

Although in this story..I think they pushed the envelope..I mean, Come On..Nobody or a large
group of Folks are THAT stupid!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:37 AM
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2. I guess it's from the Baltimore Sun
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 10:38 AM by bambino
and yea they are that stupid.

I guess Cheney feels safe there!
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:39 AM
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3. Aside from the area around DC and the inner city of Baltimore
the state has a lot of dumshits living there. Fortunately most of the voters live in the blue area.

My brother lives there and he still subscribes to the "what's good for general motors is good for the country" theory. He doesn't particularly like bush but he thinks he is competent.

As the article points out he's far from alone.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:51 PM
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19. Don't forget Annapolis for heaven's sake -
We are neither the area around DC or Baltimore. And most people that I talk to around here are blue. But,as one poster pointed out - guess that's why Cheney has (or is looking for - I can't remember which) a weekend retreat on the eastern shore.
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:40 AM
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4. Eastern Shore
I lived for 4 yrs in a 'wide spot on the road' on Maryland's Eastern Shore, then moved for almost 3 yrs to a house in the Salisbury area which is the 'big city' there. Living in the small town was like 1935 and we moved forward a whopping 20 yrs by moving to Salisbury. I have never heard such open disrespect toward persons of color in my life, this is a common conversational topic with otherwise ordinary people. I didn't make a lot of friends there, to say the least. I was almost the only Democrat in my first district and was made most uncomfortable every time I went into vote just because people would act so confused ("You're a what?") when I told them to look on the 'other list'. The nice elderly people who ran the polling place would stare and whisper as I went to the booth. The Eastern Shore remains one of the few districts in this state to vote Red; fortunately, the rest of the state goes Blue.

There are some sweet people there who can't do enough for you -- just don't talk about politics. Or religion. Or Gun Control. Or education (the schools are why we moved). Or Immigration.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:43 AM
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6. what's the history behind this strange voting pattern
is it cut off by the bridge?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:44 AM
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7. Wealth plays a big part. Maybe in-breeding too ;-) (NT)
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:50 AM
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9. I remember going to Ocean City some years ago
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 10:51 AM by bambino
remember seeing small farms and not particularly wealthy. I guess St Michaels is wealthy?
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:57 AM
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10. Lack of Wealth
It isn't a rich or connected area (though they have the internet). When we moved out (10 yrs ago), they were just getting a Borders and a second movie theatre. Most of it is 'drive-thru' country...people on the way to the Ocean. Mostly, though, I think it's a lack of educational opportunities. Yes, Salisbury State is there but it's not particularly well-integrated with the community. But the schools were appallingly bad, both in scores and in facilities. They still had asbestos and lead in them because they were so old. There was only one non-denominational school in the whole area. If we'd wanted my D to go to a Christian school, we would have had a wide choice. The families I knew tended to be very close-knit, so much so that the kids hardly ever moved out. Like I said, lovely people but the 20th century hadn't really shown up yet.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:07 AM
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11. I guess there isn't a local Democratic club there?
I should imagine if if there are any local Dems there they should perhaps do some recruiting?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:43 AM
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5. Stupidity is the disease and Bush is the symptom
Stupidity is the disease and Bush is the symptom:

> "The Muslim mindset is quite different. We hadn't anticipated
> that," he said. "I don't think we can blame the president or
> our politicians. The rest of the world did not see that."

Well, actually, they did. Which is why most of the
rest of the world declined to participate in our
misadventure in Iraq.


> "I think we need to stay in Iraq. We didn't do Japan and
> Germany this quickly,"...

That's right, we "did" Japan and Germany quite a bit
*QUICKER*.


> "We certainly don't want Iraq to come over here,"
> Wessells said. "You have to finish what you started."

Even if what you started turns out to be munching a
shit sandwich? You still have to finish it?


> He said he hasn't thought much about who might get his
> vote next year. "I'm looking more toward the actor," he said,

The paper assumes he means Thompson, but given the
track record of these folks so far, he may very well
mean Reagan.

Tesha
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 10:46 AM
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8. they might vote for the 'actor'
it would seem that they are so cut off they may think that Reagan is still alive?

Obviously the 'they will follow us home from Iraq' spin is being fully absorbed on the Eastern Shore of Maryland?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:14 AM
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12. "We certainly don't want Iraq to come over here"
Don't worry, dear. Iraq is going to remain between Syria and Iran.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:38 AM
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15. "If we leave, they will follow us home."
I hear this all the time from brainwashed repuke friends quoting Fox News talking points. They're like robots.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:18 AM
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13. Good for the Sun for turning over some rocks on the Eastern Shore.
These people are willfully ignorant. They lack the character to admit mistakes or change their world view. They blame the quagmire in Iraq on the Democrats. They are the gullible portion of every population that Benjamin Franklin warned us about. They are a true danger to democracy and progress. They only hear what they want to hear to support their comfort zone in lala land. They are cowards. Unfortunately, Western Maryland is just as bad, if not worse.

I think the Sun is a great newspaper.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:28 AM
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14. red state minds
this is a small sample of the red state philosophy
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:43 AM
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16. Ah. . the "some of people ALL of the time" crowd. .
You knew they had to live somewhere, right?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:46 AM
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17. didn't some CIA or FBI muckety muck disappear from the dock of his eastern shore
home (quite) a few years back? what are they doin' out there i wonder.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:18 PM
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18. was that the Iran Contra funding?
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