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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:34 AM
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The "We're about to bomb Iran" rumor. -- And the reaction if it happens.
I've read countless articles, blog posts and heard talk-radio predictions about how Bush/Cheney are going to bomb the hell out of Iran this month. And after everything I've read and heard, I have no idea whether or not this will actually happen. Bush/Cheney are of course capable of such insanity. But I just don't know who or what to believe on this issue.

However, there is one thing of which I'm sure. If the bombing occurs, the Democrats in Washington will do nothing beyond bitch and moan on the Sunday morning news shows. Impeachment will still be off the table. Blue-dog Democrats will go on kissing the asses of their know-nothing constituents. And our presidential candidates will be "Shocked, I tell you. Shocked." But only Kucinich and Mike Gravel will call for immediate impeachment and proclaim that any Democrat or Republican who doesn't join their call is a coward and traitor.

So I have three questions: (1) Do you think that the maniacs will actually bomb Iran?: (2) What do you think the Democrats in Washington will do if it happens?: and (3) How the hell did we ever get into this position?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:36 AM
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1. Yes, nothing, election fraud.
:(
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:38 AM
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2. (1) Yes; (2) Not a thing; and (3) Fascist take over of U.S.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 01:41 PM
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22. They've already taken over whistle.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:41 AM
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3. People have been saying it's going to happen any day now for years.
The invasion was supposed to happen last April. Now it's supposed to happen in September?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:44 AM
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5. But the wackjobs are now fanning out to the media outlets.
:shrug:

Shouldn't we be calling Pelosi and Reid and asking them when they plan to answer this?
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:41 AM
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4. The Time For The Dems To Do Something About This Is Now - Not ...
after it happens. They are in a position to stop it. If *Co actually does attack Iran - it will be too late. The Dems can 'bitch and moan' all they want afterwards - but by then all we can call them is 'accomplices'.

The signs have been there for a long time now that *Co wants to attack Iran. Hell - Tweety and Pat Buchanan - dance around this possibility every time they are on the air together.

So everybody knows *Co's intention here. If the Dems do nothing to prevent this - they are as much to blame.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:11 PM
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25. The dems have done something-- they voted Iran a terrorist threat in Iraq
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 02:12 PM by tekisui
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:27 PM
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26. Well now technically I think all they said was that Iran had committed acts of war against us
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 02:31 PM by kenny blankenship
and then Bush designated Iran's Revolutionary Guards elite military units an international terrorist organization. So the Congress said in effect a state of war with Iran existed, on the one hand, and on the other, Bush has rezoned Iran as part of our Global War Against Everything, subject to attack at any moment of his choosing, under the provisions of the existing Authorization(s) of the Use of Military Force.

Of course, worrywarts will choose to see the glass half empty, as they always do, and insist that there is some negative import to these dry, terminological, legal developments...
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:57 PM
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30. So we're already at war with Iran?
That glass seems half-empty to me.

The negative import is---I'm not looking to congress to do something preventative about an Iran attack, when they already unanimously voted them as war enemy.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:13 PM
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31. Well some people will see some "dark implications" and so forth in statements like those
coming from Congress and the White House - but some people worry over every little thing!
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:44 AM
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6. Your powers of precognition seem quite remarkable
But, o great Prognisticator Cyrano, if you can see the future and are sure of how the Democrats will react to bombing Iran without provocation and without congressional approval, why are you asking us what we think? Surely your powers of prophecy are more certain than the collective wisdom of DU.

Of course the Collective wisdom of DU would probably largely agree with you.

When it comes to hating and despising congressional Dems, nobody can hold a candle to DU.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:48 AM
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8. But, didn't Congress already give Bush those powers when
they gave him permission to wage a global war on terra? I'm not trying to hate and despise anyone here, lol. I honestly don't see how Congressional Dems could stop these mofos.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:17 PM
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14. They could...
...talk daily of the need to avoid war with Iran. Include references to WH aggression and incompetence in Iraq...hold weekly pressers with all dem reps in attendance to get real information out on this specific issue

...not vote for Lieberman's bill that acknowledged Iran was murdering Americans. Inflammatory and it'll come back to bite us.

...introduce legislation weekly requiring that the WH come to congress before military action. If it fails, re-introduce next week

...condemn provocative acts that might goad Iran into reaction (as we tried to do with Iraq)

...go back and review all of the WH signing statements and analyze for relevance to Iran and executive power. Introduce clarification resolutions that make clear what the intent of the law was and that it applies to the WH.

...when the press or WH spout propaganda...counter it with facts. Include how young and western-leaning Iran really is

...introduce legislation cancelling original IWR (Hillary's idea a while ago)

...make it clear that the WH may not spend unauthorized money on Iran planning or action (a la 700 million of Afgan money used illegally for Iraq)

...be honest about Iraq and how we got there and why it's messed up. Read Waxman's WMD report into the record.

...take out full page ads in national papers about the importance of diplomacy, avoidance of war

...use clout as controlling majority to bend WH and GOP toward their POV. Shut it down if necesary

...shed light on the most secretive government ever in the US

...begin impeachment proceedings. You may get resignations. You may distract them. You may get military advising against action more strongly. You will get more public awareness. GOP would be forced to defend the indefensible. Cover all issues to build an overall case why this administration cannot be allowed to govern one more day. While the actual vote may not be successful, building a strong case is EASY and would be overwhelmingly clear

...associate with past and present generals who are condemning WH decisions and actions militarily. There are a lot of them and dc dems can help get the word out. Hold hearings with military and diplomatic corp members who have resigned over WH policies and make sure they're televised and covered in the press. This is important.

...take ANY intelligence with a grain of salt unless verified independently.

...read every word of every bill

...focus every minute on vigorous oversight. Forget about violence in video games and about steroids in sports

...ask former cabinet member Paul O'Neill about how it felt in the run up to Iraq and how it feels now with Iran.



There are dozens of things leaders could do to help, if they wanted. I'm sure there are a lot more than the above, too.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:48 PM
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18. Those are great ideas, all of them. But Bush has the means
and the Noise Machine at his disposal, as well as (arguably) Congressional approval. I don't see how he can legally be stopped. He has nothing to lose in terms of public approval and our majority is only nominal.

Maybe I've had too much of that pessimistic coffee this morning but that's how it seems to me. :(
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 01:37 PM
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19. Agree. That doesn't mean you don't try. I have believed for years that
these guys are pretty much invulnerable...and that's exactly why you go at them with both barrels.

Impeachment is legal.

One more approach I've thought about in the past but not sure it's legal is to take the bastards to court. If signing statements are unconstitutional, why can't you immendiately go to court to get a reading or at least get an injunction against doing more? Can congress not get enforcement of its constitutional powers through the courts?

Also...ask for more special prosecutors.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 01:43 PM
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23. Get Paul Simon to re-cut, "There Must Be 50 WAYS TO STOP THE BOMBING"
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 01:40 PM
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21. No. I don't know how many times it's been explained that
bush doesn't need Congressional approval to bomb Iran- unless he keeps it up for more than 60 days. His authority stems from the War Powers Act of 1973.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:06 PM
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11. Dear bryant69, great dispenser of sarcasm:
My statements are opinions based on the lack of spine the Dems have shown to date. My sincerest wish is that our "leadership" would get off their asses and DO SOMETHING.

As far as what that "Something" is, if I knew the answer, I'd be sitting in congress (or be sitting high up in the Himalayas dispensing "spakeths"), rather than sitting here bitching.

Beyond that, I have no "mission" to join into any "collective wisdom."

Having said that, go back and check out some of my journals. You won't find me falling in line with anyone's "collective wisdom" on any topic. Nor will you find the total number of my posts come anywhere near the number held by those who have an opinion on anything and everything in the world.

I've never thrown any sarcasm or disrespect your way and I'd appreciate it if you didn't throw any at me.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:46 AM
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7. How many?
How many Republicans does it take to change a light bulb?
Who knows... they keep it a secret.

How many Democrats does it take to change a light bulb?
They don't change bulbs... they just whine about the bulbs being broken.


(1)Yes.
(2)Act outraged then do nothing.
(3) 2000 and 2004 stolen elections AND ill-informed, un-motivated citizenry.

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:52 AM
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9. 1) yes, 2) nothing, 3) congressional complicity
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 11:52 AM
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10. I haven't seen any blog posts stating the attack will happen this month
To do so would be foolishly believing anyone can second guess the agenda of the cabal. I do think an attack is coming, and sooner than later. With 'only' 15 months remaining of this regime, they aren't going to wait until the last instant to act. They are going to continue marketing their "product" via Fox Noise and other outlets, as well as attempting to push Iran into a military reaction to justify aerial bombing.

Iraq didn't happen overnight, and neither will Iran.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:07 PM
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12. 1)Don't know 2)Probably salute and piss themselves 3)Bush v. Gore coup d'etat
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 12:40 PM by kenny blankenship
There's no question that attacking Iran could have extremely serious consequences which could materialize overnight - like $100/bbl oil or worse - even if we try "limited strikes". The potential for a monkey wrench like that, and simultaneous large scale attacks in Iraq from Iran-aligned groups (Badr Brigade) almost ensures that any conflict with Iran would "go large" immediately. There would be a big missile fight in the Persian Gulf to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. The nuclear sites would have to be hit as well, since any country offended like Iran would be would certainly put all national resources into developing their nuclear program for weapons as fast as possible. You couldn't have a war in which we blew up their coastal defenses and some Quds bases near Iraq without there being a high likelihood of atomic payback down the road. Any country, any people would be burning for revenge. The possible consequences are so dire it's very hard to believe that the Bushlerites are really considering attacking Iran. They'd have to be dumb and crazy. But then again, look at the thought processes that went into their invasion of Iraq and the occupation... They were that dumb, they were that crazy before.

As for the Democrats, if they can't manage solidarity in the face of this idiotic & predictable Splurge tactic, you don't have to guess about what would happen in the event of aggressive war against Iran. The United States would be embroiled in war from the Outer Himalayas to the Mediterranean Sea. Bush would have put US soldiers' lives in jeopardy as never before, committed the most serious warcrimes, would have destroyed the good name of the United States, probably forever--so naturally the Dems would be falling all over themselves to kiss his feet.

How did we get here? Everyone knows how we got here. One party seized power in the winter of the year 2000 and it's been war, terrorism, and police state escalation for us ever since.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:13 PM
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13. 1. No. 2. Won't happen. 3. Idiocy and inertia.
By the latter, meaning that the Bushies have absolutely no regard for the traditions of proper government function, built over decades, and thought they could just rewrite any part they felt like. The only way they've gotten away with it is because they've exploited the hell out of 9/11, which was caused by their unwillingness to listen to the warnings, and used to to justify further idiocracy.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:18 PM
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15. answers:
1. Yes

2. They'll reinforce the meme that Iran is a 'burgeoning threat' (see just about any speech that HRC and BO have given lately).

3. Nobody thinks for themselves anymore - we're too incurious as a nation to actually seek out facts and question the vaulting propaganda.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:18 PM
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16. Hear is more interesting reading on the topic
Will President Bush bomb Iran?
By Tim Shipman in Washington , Sunday Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/02/wiran102.xml&page=3

snip>>>>>

The United States, no longer prepared to tolerate the risk that Iranian nuclear weapons will be used against Israel, or passed to terrorists, has already launched a bombing campaign to destroy known Iranian nuclear sites, air bases and air defence sites. Iran has retaliated by cutting off oil to America and its allies, blockading the Straits of Hormuz, the Persian Gulf bottleneck, and sanctioned an uprising by Shia militias in southern Iraq that has shut down 60 per cent of Iraq's oil exports.

The job of the officials from the Pentagon, the State Department, and the Departments of Homeland Security and Energy, who have gathered in an office just off Massachusetts Avenue, behind the rail terminus, Union Station, is to prevent a spike in oil prices that will pitch the world's economy into a catastrophic spin.

The good news is that this was a war game; for those who fear war with Iran, the less happy news is that the officials were real. The simulation, which took four months, was run by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank with close links to the White House. Its conclusions, drawn up last month and seen by The Sunday Telegraph, have been passed on to military and civilian planners charged with drawing up plans for confronting Iran.

snip>>>>>

On Tuesday, President Bush dramatically stepped up his war of words with the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whom the US government accuses of overseeing a covert programme to develop nuclear weapons. In a speech to war veterans, Mr Bush said: "Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust."

He went on to condemn Iranian meddling in Iraq, where America increasingly blames the deaths of its soldiers on Iranian bombs and missiles. Mr Bush made clear that he had authorised military commanders to confront "Iran's murderous activities".

This was widely taken to mean that he is set on a confrontation with Iran that will culminate in a bombing campaign to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities, just as Israel bombed Saddam Hussein's Osirak reactor in 1981.

The president's intervention came just weeks after leaks from a White House meeting suggested that Vice-President Dick Cheney, who is understood to favour the use of force, has regained the upper hand over the Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defence Secretary Robert Gates, who both advocate diplomacy and sanctions to isolate Iran. Mr Cheney reacted with fury when the State Department suggested that negotiations might continue past January 2009, when Mr Bush leaves the White House.

snip>>>>>>

But European observers, and some in the American government, believe that Mr Bush has resolved to "do something" about Iran before he leaves office. A State Department source said: "If we get closer to the end of this administration and we are not seeing suitably tough diplomatic action at the UN, and other members of the P5 are still resistant to anything amounting to more than a slap on the wrist to the Iranians, then people will start asking the question: how do we stop our legacy being a nuclear-armed Iran?"

Mr Bush's escalation of the rhetoric was deliberate. A former White House aide said that the reference to a "nuclear holocaust" was a precise attempt to bracket Mr Ahmadinejad's quest for nuclear weapons and stated desire to wipe Israel off the map with Hitler's destruction of the Jews.

"By using that word 'holocaust', Mr Bush has provided a moral reason to allow the Jewish state to do what it needs to do," said the former aide. "He is reinvoking the notion of 'never again'. If you believe that there could be another Holocaust, it becomes morally indefensible to stand back. It is a powerful and loaded term. Those people in Europe who believed that the neo-cons have gone away and shrunk under a rock had better wise up fast."

snip>>>>>>>>

The Pentagon has made contact with a Kurdish group called the Party for Free Life in Kurdistan, which has been conducting cross-border operations in Iran, and with Azeri and Baluchi tribesmen in northern and south-eastern Iran, who oppose the theocratic regime. By using military special forces, rather than the CIA, the administrationdoes not have to sign a Presidential Finding, required for covert intelligence activity, or report to oversight committees in Congress.

Information on US targets has leaked from the Pentagon. B2 bombers and cruise missiles would strike up to 400 sites, only a few dozen of which are linked to the nuclear programme. B61-11 bunker-busting tactical nuclear weapons would be the ultimate weapon against the heavily fortified installations; first in the crosshairs would be the main centrifuge plant at Natanz, 200 miles south of Teheran.

snip>>>>>>

But there are grave doubts that bombing would work. Davoud Salhuddin, a US dissident and Muslim convert living in Iran, said: "The US will not have the ability to change the regime here. Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has been preparing himself for a US attack for the past 30 years. If they attack Iran, the problem of terrorism that they are trying to solve will get 100 times bigger than it is now… Americans will not feel safe in their own homes."

snip>>>>>>>>

Just as crucially, US government officials say that the CIA has failed to come up with a "smoking gun" that would persuade the international community to back military action. Last autumn, the CIA told the White House that while it believes Iran is running a clandestine nuclear weapons programme, it does not have conclusive proof. Radioactivity detection devices placed near suspect facilities did not find the expected results. Stung by criticism of their performance over Saddam Hussein's weapons programmes, CIA bosses warned Mr Bush and Mr Cheney that this did not prove that Iran had successfully concealed the programme from inspectors.


The diplomatic case against Iran suffered another blow when the International Atomic Energy Agency last week gave an upbeat assessment of Iranian co-operation with weapons inspectors. It found that Iran continued to enrich uranium - necessary for a bomb, but also for civil nuclear power - in violation of UN Security Council demands, but at a slower rate than was expected.

A State Department source said a new push would be made to advance the case for sanctions this autumn, but the hopes of progress were mixed. "The Russians and Chinese are still stonewalling, and the Europeans don't want to get involved," he said.

snip>>>>

But critics fear that if Mr Bush cannot advocate confrontation with Iran, he might yet seek to provoke it. Joseph Cirincione, of the Centre for American Progress, accuses Mr Bush of "taunting Iran". He said: "Like the similar campaign for war with Iraq, this effort seems to be designed to find a casus belli, perhaps by provoking Iran into some action that could justify a military assault."

In the meantime, administration officials are studying the lessons of the recent war game, which was set up to devise a way of weathering an economic storm created by war with Iran. Computer modelling found that if Iran closed the Straits of Hormuz, it would nearly double the world price of oil, knock $161 billion off American GDP in a single quarter, cost one million jobs and slash disposable income by $260 billion a quarter.

The war gamers advocated deploying American oil reserves - good for 60 days - using military force to break the blockade (two US aircraft carrier groups and half of America's 277 warships are already stationed close to Iran), opening up oil development in Alaska, and ending import tariffs on ethanol fuel. If the government also subsidised fuel for poorer Americans, the war-gamers concluded, it would mitigate the financial consequences of a conflict.

The Heritage report concludes: "The results were impressive. The policy recommendations eliminated virtually all of the negative outcomes from the blockade."

end snip>>>>

"The results were impressive. The policy recommendations eliminated virtually all of the negative outcomes from the blockade."---WOW! These people have some nerve.

Iraq is not a big enough fuck up for them!

Makes me sick!




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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 12:21 PM
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17. 1)yes 2)nothing 3) duh 4) The Russians wil bomb us
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 01:40 PM
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20. War talk is about to heat up. I assume most missed this in the New Yorker
It seems that the real push for war with Iran is now about to start in earnest:

August 31, 2007
Test Marketing
If there were a threat level on the possibility of war with Iran, it might have just gone up to orange. Barnett Rubin, the highly respected Afghanistan expert at New York University, has written an account of a conversation with a friend who has connections to someone at a neoconservative institution in Washington. Rubin can’t confirm his friend’s story; neither can I. But it’s worth a heads-up:

They have "instructions" (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don’t think they’ll ever get majority support for this—they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is "plenty."
True? I don’t know. Plausible? Absolutely. It follows the pattern of the P.R. campaign that started around this time in 2002 and led to the Iraq war. The President’s rhetoric on Iran has been nothing short of bellicose lately, warning of "the shadow of a nuclear holocaust." And the Iranian government’s behavior—detaining British servicemen and arresting American passport holders, pushing ahead with uranium enrichment, and, by many reliable accounts, increasing its funding and training for anti-American militias in Iraq—seems intentionally provocative. Perhaps President Ahmedinejad and the mullahs feel that they win either way: they humiliate the superpower if it doesn’t take the bait, and they shore up their deeply unpopular regime at home if it does. Preëmptive war requires calculations (and, often, miscalculations) on two sides, not just one, as Saddam learned in 2003. When tensions are this high between two countries and powerful factions in both act as if hostilities are in their interest, war is likely to follow...

Postscript: Barnett Rubin just called me. His source spoke with a neocon think-tanker who corroborated the story of the propaganda campaign and had this to say about it: "I am a Republican. I am a conservative. But I’m not a raging lunatic. This is lunatic."

I urge folks to read the whole piece:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2007/08/if-there-were-a.html
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 01:48 PM
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24. 1, yes
2. they will do nothing because they have proclaimed Iran "terrorists" and actually want it for AIPAC/Israel's security.
3. selection 2000.

:(
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:43 PM
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27. 1 - yes 2 - not a peep 3 - see no. 2
bush is gonna attack iran at some point. the only real question is when. around the 911 anniversary? in response to a domestic terror attack/scare? after weeks of bluster and sabre-rattling following the coming iraq report which is SURE to blame iran for all their troubles? closer to the election? or will it be triggered by the inevitable public knowledge of just how far-reaching bush's domestic spying program has been? lots of questions, but only one real answer. an iran war to deflect attention from his failed presidency.
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:47 PM
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28. 1.) Maybe (leaning toward no) 2.) Shit themselves like the rest of us 3.) Uh...karma?
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 02:48 PM by Phoonzang
3.) Uh...collective karma? Or for a serious answer, the dumbing down of the American public by today's media.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 02:56 PM
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29. Perhaps, Panic or Plan "B", We allowed it to happen
Perhaps we WILL do nasty things to Iran.
Why? Bush needs an excuse to keep troops in Iraq in order for his puppeteers to seize AND hold the Iraqi oil. If we get kicked out of Iraq, (like what happened in Viet-Nam), Iraqi oil will likely come under the influence of Iran, Russia and China.

The bfee puppeteers have invested FAR too heavily in Iraq to just walk away and "allow" Iraqi oil to fall under the control of anyone else. By adding a battle with Iran, we will simply "have to stay in Iraq" in order to "protect" the fledgling Iraqi "Democracy" from those "El-Kaida lovin", "democracy hatin" Iranians! See how that works? (Besides some here actually believe that Iran might develope a nuke before we get all that oil out of Iraq and we can't have THAT now can we!)

Panic may happen in DC if we start bombing Iran. Why? Russia and China have a substantial investment in Iranian oil. For some reason, the world thinks that America let bush invade Iraq in order to steal Iraqi oil! Does ANYONE think Russia and China are going to stand aside while "their" oil resources are stolen away from them in Iran? Russia and China will get no condemnation if they team up militarily to protect their oil interests in Iran from the bush puppeteers.

Let me add to the reasons for Panic in DC:

Russia has been flying it's ARMED bombers around again, doing 'tests' over the Arctic circle. One reason I heard for this for this is a Cold War style saber rattling because bush has threatened to place "Star Wars" defense systems in Eastern Europe. Another reason I heard has to do with a race to secure Arctic resources which global warming is likely to reveal up in the Arctic. Canada, Russia, America and others are trying to lay claims to areas with potential for those resources, also they want to secure the future shipping lanes which will open along their ice-locked coasts.

I am going to add my uneducated guess that Russia is flying its armed bombers around lately because of ALL of these reasons. Putin is no fool, I do not think he will allow ANYONE to do a resources grab in the Arctic or a theft of Iranian oil without a fight...it could get nasty. If China joins him that might be a good thing. With two great nuclear nations teaming up against one rogue nuclear government.... PANIC!

OR
Plan "B"
Maybe the very reason for all this inexplicable activity by our Dem Leadership is because they too are aware of the potential for Armageddon. Sorta like we are all in the same car being driven by a drunk and we dare not upset him lest he mash his foot down on the accelerator and smash us all! Plan A has been: "Let's keep the drunk relatively happy till we get to the destination...it is just a little bit ahead then we can all safely disembark" If it comes to it we WILL do plan "B": "Wrest the wheel away from him using whatever means we can!"

I suspect if bush hits Iran, Plan "B", whatever it may be, will be implemented by our not so spineless leaders. It is no secret that the Dem Leadership has conspired to keep impeachment from happening. I keep asking myself: "WHY???" They are ACUTELY aware of the political cost this action has gained them! They are ACUTELY aware that this flies in the face of the will of We The People! They FULLY understand that the '06 election was all about stopping bush!

I ask you, are they ALL that messed up in the heads? I think not. I think if they COULD have safely removed the bfee from power they would have done so LONG ago. I suspect that there is some sort of secret plan, a plan "B" to stop the bfee which INCLUDES both parties should bush do anything which could potentially plunge the world down the path to Armageddon.

Call me an optimist but I think if bush tries to actually attack Iran, or Syria or Turkey or North Korea or Ecuador or anyone else, plan "B" will get implemented by Congress. bush will get led off to a padded cell and the whole world will breath a sigh of relief. (Maybe gas prices will come down then...hoorah!)

What thrilling times we live in my chums! Then again, maybe that psychopathic cowboy bush won't bomb Iran bringing the world to the brink of WW III. (I hope you all have been buying gold lately)

How did we get here? We The People allowed this to happen is how history will see it. Democracy IS the sensible system and I suspect history will show America was unsuccessful with it. We gave away our democracy slowly over it's run, we continue to do so now. Should we somehow make it to the next election, should we somehow survive the bush regime, our freedom will not be what it once was.

Democracy REQUIRES an enlightened electorate. Our "enlightened" electorate has been woefully unenlightened and the very electorate itself has by and large refused to participate! What % of the electorate actually bothers to get out and vote each election? Who has the time to figure out who and what to vote for?

We allow ourselves to be influenced by outside sources rather than take the time to do a critical study of a candidate or of an issue. We rely on the media to keep us informed yet we did nothing when that important source of enlightenment was taken over by those who would send out their own messages and/or propaganda. Yes, history will record that Americans gave away their Democracy to those who had no intentions of governing through democracy. (Maybe i'll don a toga and learn to play a fiddle)

Future societies will learn from the mistakes made by America. The human race will move on with an upgraded formula of Democracy. Perhaps someday there will even be a Federation of Planets like in Star Trek...albiet one which does not allow collective greed or individual mad cowboy disease to influence it.

Might I suggest this future, one which will seem a nightmare to many: "Every member of the human race has a computer link implant. We each will have, for all practical purposes, a telepathic link with each other and unlimited access to any data which is on the world wide web. We will also use these devices for instant voting."

Imagine individuals with instant access to a hive mentality! Would it still be Democracy???? Perhaps it will be the best form of Democracy...
although some would argue that being a "Borg" is far from democracy and absolutely not a future humanity should look forward to.

Oh before anyone flames me...please, I am living up to my name...if I am not allowed to have a little fun with it then the hell with ya. Chicken Little made no claims to being overly educated, he called it as he saw it...as did I here. Everything I know, I learned from the radio and the Democratic Underground. I am going out to play some Frisbee Golf now.... thanks
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