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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:03 PM
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They gave us a distraction and we fell for it
It was the day we had all been waiting for, a day when the man who may well have been the worst Attorney General in United States history finally decided to resign. It was an event that many people across the blogosphere worked tirelessly to make happen, and after months of hard work they were finally seeing a major victory.

Of course their work was far from over, while Gonzalez was about to leave office he still had not been charged for any of the crimes he committed while in office. There was still a great deal of evidence yet to be uncovered in the scandals that ultimately brought him down, and Bush was about to appoint a new Attorney General that would no doubt do everything in their power to make sure that evidence was not uncovered.

It looked like the blogosphere was going to have a very important focus over the next few weeks, but then something happened. Just a few short hours after Gonzalez announced his resignation it was revealed that Larry Craig was a hypocrite. Actually I take that back, Larry Craig was revealed as a hypocrite long before he ever entered that bathroom but now people were finally talking about him being a hypocrite. But now we had a sex scandal on our hands. Maybe it was a sex scandal that did not even involve any actual sex but it was a sex scandal nonetheless, and so all the important news about Gonzalez’s long awaited resignation got buried underneath talks about what it really meant when a person tapped their foot in a bathroom.

Now it should be noted that Craig got arrested and then pled guilty in court weeks before we actually heard about it, but we are supposed to believe the news about him just happened to get released on the same day as Gonzalez’s resignation by mere coincidence. Was it a coincidence though, or was Craig merely the Republican’s sacrificial lamb?

Let us look at who this case ultimately divided the most.

The Republicans certainly were not divided, they pounced on Craig. Several Republicans called for his resignation, and I don’t think I heard a single one stand up to defend him. They knew that Idaho is a deep red state with a Republican governor who would gladly replace him with another far-right Republican hypocrite. They were able to get rid of Craig and make it appear as if they were taking the moral high ground and getting rid of those members who commit wrongdoing. We have all heard the Republican talking point in which they claim that “unlike Democrats our representatives resign when they commit wrong doing.” Of course this talking point is false, because if it were true Bush would have resigned long ago along with a whole bunch of other Republicans. But despite the fact that the talking point is false this incident gives them another example to make the talking point appear to be true, and ultimately that could benefit the Republicans. They will be able to take a lemon and make lemonade with it, and by the time the elections roll around they will be more likely to gain votes as a result of the way they handled the Craig incident than they will be to lose votes over someone who was shooed out of the party.

On our side however it was a different story. Of course we all believed Craig was a hypocrite, but there was a great deal of disagreement over how his case was handled. There are a number of us who are aware of the unfair treatment gays have received over the years, and the idea that we had undercover cops patrolling our bathrooms looking for gay men made us very nervous. I was among this group, and for this reason I stood up along with several others to defend Craig from some of the attacks he was taking. We were defending him for the same reason the ACLU has defended Nazis in the past. We may disagree with the man on pretty much everything, but once you allow the violation of one person’s rights you open the door to the violation of the rights of others.

Now naturally there were a good number of people on the left who had a different take on the situation. Craig was a hypocrite no doubt, and it can be very difficult to have sympathy for a person like him. And of course no one likes the idea of walking into a bathroom and catching people having sex in the stall, so there were some legitimate concerns.

We had a split among those on the left as to how well this case was handled, and the murky details of the police report did not do much to help resolve that split. While Craig’s story did not seem believable, it also did not seem believable that the police officer was merely a neutral observer in this incident, yet we have very little information on what that officer was doing in his stall. There was no real evidence that Craig made the first move, and many of us who are aware of the ways police have set people up in the past were hesitant to give an undercover police officer who was trying to arrest people for this very thing the benefit of the doubt. Others of course had a hard time giving a Republican hypocrite like Craig the benefit of the doubt.

And so what did we do? We tore each other apart of course. Those of us who defended Craig were accused of supporting bathroom sex and other perverted behavior, we were called trolls and worse and it seemed that people were unwilling to acknowledge legitimate concerns about how police actions like this could be used inappropriately.

On the other hand I heard a good number of Craig’s critics being accused of homophobia. Now maybe a few of those critics were homophobic, but no doubt when accusations of homophobia get thrown around so quickly many innocent people get the label tagged on them unfairly.

The bottom line is that while the Republicans were united against Craig, we were having nasty arguments. Some of those arguments may have been necessary as gay rights is a very important issue, but those arguments could have been conducted in a much more civil manner. Of course when the subject in question is a vile person like Larry Craig it can understandably be very difficult to remain civil sometimes.

Because of that lack of civility however we came out of this incident far more damaged than the Republicans were, even though it was their Senator that was in trouble.

There are lessons to be learned here. First we need to do a better job of respecting one another’s opinions. Just because some of us are not willing to call Craig a criminal for this particular incident does not mean we are perverts who support bathroom sex, and it does not mean we support his hypocrisy. We are simply people who are concerned because we know that the gay community has been treated unfairly on far too many occasions and we don’t want to defend an unfair justice system no matter who is the victim of that justice system. On the other hand not everyone who cracks a joke about Craig is homophobic, while there are serious problems with homophobia we need to recognize that whenever there is a sex scandal there will be jokes about that scandal whether it involves gays or heterosexuals. We have to be careful about throwing around the homophobia label too much because sometimes people who mean no harm get hit with that label and it can be very hurtful to them.

The second thing we need to remember is just as important. We need to remember that our media often plants stories as a distraction, and just because that story may target a Republican it does not necessarily mean that the story is not meant to distract us from the real issues. As a community we really dropped the Gonzalez story way too quickly to focus on this one, despite the fact that no matter what way you look at it Gonzalez’s crimes were far more severe than Craig’s.

Now I will be the first to admit that I love to jump on the Republicans for their sexual morality crap. I write satire quite often, and when the Republicans make sexual morality a key campaign issue and then proceed to engage in bizarre sex acts themselves it can be a great gift for those of us who write satire. I am still joking about Jerry Falwell’s comments on the Teletubbies, and those comments were made how many years ago?

But while these types of incidents are fun to use to show Republican hypocrisy, we need to draw a line between what we joke about and what we take seriously. While the topic of gay rights is a very important issue, the story of Craig’s bathroom incident as an individual matter does not even register on the list of important topics that we need to be engaged in serious discussion about. An issue we can joke about to expose hypocrisy sure, but an issue that seriously effects our lives it is not. No, Larry Craig is not going to start hitting on you the next time you walk into a bathroom, and he is not going to expose himself to your children either. He was a serious threat in the Senate, but he is not a serious threat to our bathrooms. If you want to focus on his crimes, focus on his real crimes and those crimes were committed under the dome of the Capital building not in the Minneapolis airport.

In the future we must be careful to never lose sight of the real scandals, and those scandals usually do not involve sex.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:09 PM
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1. I said it that same day
Karl Rove is the luckiest man in the world. Scandals always seem to pop into the news just on the day when the news of the day would otherwise be bad for the WH.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:13 PM
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2. Sex Scandal(s) are the proverbial "shiny object" for us raccoons
us as in humans

"Hey look over there!"
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:14 PM
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5. Yep, nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:14 PM
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3. Gonzales isn't over
Leahy already said there would be no AG confirmation until they got all questions answered on Gonzales. There are a lot of things going on today, including Iraq hearings. The media isn't covering anything important, what else is new.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:38 PM
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15. That's what we must not forget. Gonzo is a criminal and must
be brought to justice. The pressure to remove corruption from this slimy greedy government must be applied. We must not take lightly the harm that has been done.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:14 PM
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4. Katrina anniversary, too. nm
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:15 PM
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6. It only cost them a lot of humiliation and one U.S. Senator.
That's one hell of a "distraction."

:rofl:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:17 PM
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7. Exactly. WTF?
Makes total sense.

Not.

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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:23 PM
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And which Republican will be effected by this in the next election?
None. The one guy they chased out will just be replaced with another Bush toady. The rest of them will be able to wipe their hands and move on.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:19 PM
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8. But GOPers have a one-size-fits-all policy
and have replacement senators in stock and all set to go.

:-(
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:20 PM
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9. No, it cost one Senator a hell of a lot of humiliation.
A Senator who no doubt will be replaced by another right-wing nutcase. The rest of the party was able to wipe their hands of it, after all they were not in the bathroom so they won't be blamed. This won't harm Republicans one bit in the next election, in fact it may actually help them because there are sure to be a few people who will like the fact that they chased him out of the Senate so quickly.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:43 PM
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17. He alone won't harm the pubs much, but....
more and more and more like him will. I'm ready for a fall a month until next november. 17 more corrupt, hypocritical, criminal repukes will be a joy to watch. they add up, and keep adding up.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:26 PM
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11. no. It didn't cost them a senator. Craig will be replaced with a republican
who will be an incumbent in the next election. It probably cost us a senator. Craig would have easily lost in 2008. Vitter, on the other hand, in a state where they WOULD lose a senator, is still there, in spite of admitting to criminal activities (prostitution).
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:23 PM
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10. And there's even more. It seems that Craig voted against the patriot
act, and was already labeled as a traitor by Bush anyway.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:32 PM
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12. Timing
Perhaps they were convinced the story was going to come out in the actual election year that would actually lose that seat besides crushing the rest of the party as in 2006. Pre-emption at a time when it could actually perform some benefit? The main thing is that is how it worked out. if they learned from 2006 it was to start dumping the old timber before the election season, get your new fresh-faced horrors in and start coping with the family families hypocrisy at least as getting the public inured to things that have no consequences for the GOP. One must suspect that ANY such initiative comes from a WH who considers the GOP Congress as expendable tools. They might even want to clean house with Stevens to get a new guy in more able to get the pipeline through. His exposure may be the price of embarrassing failure regarding WH goals.

However, this does not extend to bums in states with Dem govs. Then it is automatically protection, though the distraction spin is a consolation prize in the Rove world.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:37 PM
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14. Good point on pre-emption
It is hard to believe there were not some others who knew about this that would have been more than willing to release the details three days before the election. If it were to come out anyway what better timing for Republicans than to release the news the same day as the Gonzalez resignation.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:35 PM
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13. diversion
I wonder what the Republicans hve lined up to divert us on the day they bomb Iran; footage of Pickles running over her prom date?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:41 PM
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16. Bleh
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 05:47 PM by HughMoran
Whatever - have a catchy headline if you wish...

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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:50 PM
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21. What do you think of the timing of the release of this story?
Craig was arrested weeks earlier and we just happened to find out on the day of the Gonzalez resignation?

And we were not the only ones being distracted, it is not as if the media ignored this story. They gave the story far more play than they gave the Gonzalez resignation.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:58 PM
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25. I think implying it was deliberate simply based on the fact that it temporarily distracted
a few folks here is fantasy. You are simply making an assumption based on NO facts. NONE. In fact, who gives a crap about the time after Gonzalez resigned? It was the time before that was critical. What the heck were we supposed to do - slap high fives for the past week? Are we Congress? They were on vacation anyway - I just don't get the point of your suspicion - nothing was lost IMHO other that the respect of those who defended the creep.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:03 PM
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28. "A few folks here"?
So are you saying that hardly anyone was talking about Craig outside of DU? I do have facts, facts that Craig was arrested weeks before the incident and was somehow able to hide it until the day the Gonzalez story broke.

And you don't think it matters what happens after Gonzalez resigns? Did it ever occur to you that this investigation is still ongoing, and Bush is about to appoint a new Attorney General in Gonzalez's place? This is one of the most crucial times to talk about Gonzalez.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:11 PM
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30. That's why I pointed out that Congress was not in session anyway
I have no idea what your objection is - except that you are pissed about Craig creating a roucous here. I think there is plenty of time to talk about Gonzales and his replacement and that is what is happening now. Who cares that Craig was able to keep this under wraps as long as he did - you heard the cop say that he would not tell anyone. It is normal for people to try to hide things they don't want people to know about.
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:20 PM
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34. We can't rely on Congress to do everything for us.
Edited on Tue Sep-04-07 06:28 PM by MN Against Bush
Much of the earlier Congressional hearings on the attorney scandal came about as a result of investigations by bloggers. Many lawmakers read the blogs and our discussions now can help guide them in the questions they ask.

And don't think it is easy to keep an arrest under wraps, especially when you are a US Senator. It is not just one cop dealing with the bust, you have a whole police department and a court system. And of course when you are arrested and go to court it becomes public record, you can't tell me there weren't a good number of people who knew about this.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:46 PM
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18. Well said.
I want to grind the republicans into the pages of history using any tools necessary. I am often caught by surprise by the high-roaders who object on the basis that it's too tawdry.

Gays who want to marry won't get their wish if we remain shy.

His bathroom behavior is embarassing and strongly suggestive that he intended to commit a crime. That's enough for me.

Is it possible to use this to good political effect without offending anyone? Probably not.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:46 PM
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19. yep
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japple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:47 PM
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20. Well said, bro. K & R.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:54 PM
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22.  I think most news dumps are a distraction
If it is not Hilton then it is always something else and all the while much more important issues are going on full speed ahead .

It stikes me as no coincidence that suddenly this issue of Craig jumped right in there after gonzo resigned / fired , whatever . Right after Rove and while in the meantime this drum up to attacking Iran is all over the place and building steam .

I hear it was a blogger who exposed Craigs bathroom antics , I cannot support this but I did hear this .

I am at the point where I don't trust much at all , not with all the possible spins and money floating around where you really don;t know who is on what side or who is playing both sides .

These smaller stories seem to hang in there for weeks where everything important is gone in a day .

Craigs story got all twisted out of shape and missed the reality .
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:58 PM
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24. A blogger outed Craig a year ago, it was not a blogger that revealed this particular incident though
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:08 PM
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29. I can't help but feel quite certain that the bushco machine put the Craig story out. (nt)
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 07:35 PM
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39. I don't see how something like that could be arranged? nt
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:06 PM
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40.  Why not ?
It's a year ago this happened , doesn't it seem a bit odd that suddenly right after gonzo and rove are gone ( so to speak ) that this story just comes out of no where .

How is it the he pleaded guilty and the cops knew it but now it just peeps out of the dark .

There has to be more to this than meets the eye IMHO .

One could guess and speculate until hell freezes over and we will never know until all the facts are there . It has already been spun so much that does anyone really know what happened or why .
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:17 PM
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41. Surely you're kidding! You don't see how it could be arranged?!? Haven't you been paying attention?
My gawd! The control of the mass media message in this country is the very ENVY of all the old Pravda folks! If Geobbels were alive today he'd just turn around and die of exstacy over the ease with which the powers which control the state have come to control the media as well.

*Someone* got wind of Craig's arrest and passed the knowledge on. Among those to whom it was passed on *someone* realized it might come in handy. Someone with media contacts, someone who jumped on the opportunity to distract the conversation once Gonzo announced his (inevitable) resignation.

It's not rocket science. It's precisely how our mass media and those in power collude to keep the American public distracted and confused.

sw
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:56 PM
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23. This Post is really distracting. nt
:evilgrin:
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:14 PM
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32. true, true, lol. n/t
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:00 PM
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26. LibE's Law:
"Everything can be used as a distraction from everything else"
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:01 PM
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27. It's the "Shiny Object of the Day" syndrome -- which is endemic on DU.
The noise to signal ratio on DU has been consistently pretty awful for a number of years now (speaking as someone who has been here for 6 years), and is a constant source of disappointment and frustration for me -- and why I rarely post. (I didn't used to be so unknown around here, but that was way back when the membership hadn't even reached 10,000 -- I was member #6679)

And even as DU member #6679, I see that I haven't even reached 10,000 posts yet. It sort of makes me sad that posting here has felt so largely futile for so long. I've been trying to step it up a bit, inspired by the example of folks like H2O Man, and by the oldtimers like Jackpine Radical (we both reached our 1000th post count right around the same time), Ulysses, Armstead, Jack Rabbit -- and all the others whose names I can't think of just now -- who have never stopped showing up, year after year.

I'm rambling terribly, of course. As an old woman, I claim the right to do so. I do, in fact, have a point...

My point is, there is so little to be gained in getting bogged down in these massive battles of opinion that descend into stifling and ennervating battles over minutiae -- and so much to lose when a huge event like the resignation of Gonzales gets crowded out of the collective conversation.

My view is that EVERYTHING is WAY FUCKED UP. EVERYTHING. We are are so deep into fucked up that we can barely perceive it. All these shiny object discussions are just flailing away at the outer tentacles of the monstrosity that is devouring our society and our nation.

To kill the monster you have to aim for the most central vital parts, merely hacking at the extremities just escalates the hysteria all around, imho.

I don't want to piss anybody off. I'm just one more opinionated DUer.

sw
(cranky old lady)

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:28 PM
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35. Well said...thanks. n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:12 PM
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31. Liberals will always be less unified than conservatives.
it's the price we pay for critical thinking.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:50 PM
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37. Maybe so, but we can be a lot more unified than we are.
And we can start by refusing to get distracted by the shiny objects, or at least not get distracted for too long.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:51 PM
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38. We can multitask. n/t
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:18 PM
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33. It's not just Gonzogate...
but the sordid criminal scandal of the war and the attempt to open a new front and to bilk the nation out of many more lives and much more money from the nonexistent treasury now.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:31 PM
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36. I think the "real" crimes and the closet sex are inextricably linked. Women's rights are at stake.
I believe that the movement against women's reproductive rights is led by closeted gay
Republican men and Republican powerhouse types who know how to manipulate them.

Bush got into power by leading a charge against the rights of women, as well as the rights of gay people, and these guys are his obedient soldiers. They are selling out other people's rights by protecting their own lives.





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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:54 PM
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42. In response to the recent news...
Some of you may have seen that it now turns out that Craig may decide to keep his seat. Personally I hope he does, I even wrote him a letter a few days back asking him not to resign. You can read it in my journal.

I just hope that we can handle this issue without tearing each other apart, and I hope we don't let Craig completely overshadow everything else that is happening. There are many more important issues going on in the world, and quite simply there is no need for bitter arguments between us on this issue.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 08:57 PM
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43. I immediately thought of this post when I heard the news
We were just going back and forth on this - then this comes along. I am just laughing out loud - how ironic! :)
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 09:21 PM
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44. I admit, I laughed when I saw the headline too
I guess this is going to be a distraction for a while longer, I just hope people can try to keep their focus. But I already got one laugh out of the story tonight, and I am sure there will be more laughs as this unfolds. I guess that is alright though as long as we can laugh and not tear each other apart.
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