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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:27 PM
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B-52 mistakenly flies with nukes aboard
Edited on Wed Sep-05-07 01:30 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/09/marine_nuclear_B52_070904w/

B-52 mistakenly flies with nukes aboard

By Michael Hoffman - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Sep 5, 2007 12:03:35 EDT

A B-52 bomber mistakenly loaded with five nuclear warheads flew from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, resulting in an Air Force-wide investigation, according to three officers who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to discuss the incident.

The B-52 was loaded with Advanced Cruise Missiles, part of a Defense Department effort to decommission 400 of the ACMs. But the nuclear warheads should have been removed at Minot before being transported to Barksdale, the officers said. The missiles were mounted onto the pylons of the bomber’s wings.


Advanced Cruise Missiles carry a W80-1 warhead with a yield of 5 to 150 kilotons and are specifically designed for delivery by B-52 strategic bombers.

Air Force spokesman Lt. Col. Ed Thomas said the transfer was safely conducted and the weapons were in Air Force custody and control at all times.

However, the mistake was not discovered until the B-52 landed at Barskdale, which left the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3 1/2 hour flight between the two bases, the officers said.

An investigation headed by Maj. Gen. Douglas Raaberg, director of Air and Space Operations at Air Combat Command Headquarters, was launched immediately to find the cause of the mistake and figure out how it could have been prevented, Thomas said.

Air Force officials wouldn’t officially specify whether nuclear weapons were involved, in accordance with long-standing Defense Department policy regarding nuclear munitions, Thomas said. However, the three officers close to the situation did confirm the warheads were nuclear.

Officials at Minot immediately conducted an inventory of its nuclear weapons after the oversight was discovered, and Thomas said he could confirm that all remaining nuclear weapons at Minot are accounted for.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/05/loose.nukes/index.html


Air Force probes mistaken transport of nuclear warheadsStory Highlights
NEW: All stateside Air Force fighter, bomber flights to be halted September 14

Plane was moving missiles whose warheads were supposed to be removed

Nuclear warheads were accidentally left on the missiles, military officials say

Public was never in danger; nukes could not have detonated, spokesman says


From Barbara Starr
CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Six nuclear warheads on cruise missiles were mistakenly carried on a flight from North Dakota to Louisiana last week, prompting a major investigation, military officials have confirmed.


A B-52 is seen on the ground at Barksdale Air Force Base, Louisiana, in this file photo.

The plane took the cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base to Barksdale Air Force Base for decommissioning Thursday, the Air Force said.

"This is a major gaffe, and it's going to cause some heads to roll down the line," said Don Shepperd, a retired Air Force major general and military analyst for CNN.

The warheads should have been removed from the missiles before they were attached to the B-52 bomber, according to military officials.

The crew was unaware that the plane was carrying nuclear weapons, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the extraordinary sensitivity and security surrounding the case.

The mistake was discovered after the plane's flight to Louisiana.

Minot Air Force Base is in north central North Dakota and Barksdale Air Force Base is in northwest Louisiana near the Texas border.

Lt. Col. Ed Thomas said that while the military does not publicly discuss nuclear weapons procedures, in this case the Air Force decided to acknowledge the incident in order to reassure the public.

"The public was never in any danger," Thomas said.

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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:30 PM
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1. honey, i nuked the kids!
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:32 PM
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2. Nice............
......flapping around the country's air space with Nukes - feeling really safe now....sheeeeesh........
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:33 PM
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3. "left the warheads unaccounted for during the approximately 3 1/2 hour flight between the two bases"
nutfuckery! nitfuckingwits!
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:40 PM
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4. Drop a dirty bomb on USA city, blame it on suitcase bomb, attack Iran. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 03:04 PM
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26. I guess all bombs that explode are dirty, but in today's definition
of the term, I don't think that ones that fall from the sky are dirty are they?
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:43 PM
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5. We are in deep kimchee if this kind of thing can happen!
To quote Col. Kong:

"Well, I've been to one world fair, a picnic, and a rodeo, and that's the stupidest thing I ever heard come over a set of earphones. You sure you got today's codes?"

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:43 PM
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6. Yes but which one of the B-52s was it?


Fred Schneider is my guess...He's got a Chrysler as big as a whale. You'd need a vehicle like that to transport a nuke.
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:49 PM
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7. Hidden in a beehive hairdo. Along with the cockroaches. (Urban legend, plus only
cockroaches would survive a nuclear war.)
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:51 PM
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8. I thought it was spiders.
And when they laid their eggs it ate into the woman's brains.

But what a brilliant place to hide a nuke...
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:07 PM
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11. Found both referenced on the internets. But spiders can't survive nuclear war. In any event, beware
the earwig.



There was this girl who has a beehive hairstyle. Every day she rats it and sprays it with hairspray to keep it up. Its been three weeks since she has washed it, she loves her hairstyle. One day in her classroom at school her teacher happens to notice blood running down her neck, so the teacher asks whats wrong. The girl says nothing is wrong, so I guess she didn't feel anything. The girl then faints and has to be rushed to the hospital. She ends up dying. Because the girls wasn't washing her hair it go so dirty that cockroaches got in her hair and starting eating at her head and ate a hole through to her brain.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:18 PM
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16. Are they holding him up?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:01 PM
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9. Any SAC people out there?
Things may have drastically changed, but my friend tells me that when he was in, there was absolutely no way that anything could ever be done "accidentally" with nuclear ordinance.



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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:07 PM
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10. Back in the days of SAC, sure.
SAC, sadly, is no more - and I suspect that along with the Command went the control.

~ daughter of a retired SAC officer who was flying a fully loaded B-52 out of Thule, around the Dew Line, the day I was born . . .
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 03:04 PM
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27. SAC is no more--it's STRATCOM now.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:08 PM
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12. I served under a SAC command at a base storing 6 nukes.
In my day, THIS COULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED! 2 man rule, both men ARMED. God know these assholes probably have CONTRACTORS handling the weapons. This story should scare the living SHIT out of every citizen in the nation!!!

We actually ran a wargame that involved a stolen nuke and the 'hypothetical' President being held hostage about a helicopter. The base commander (this was a simulation, no presidents were hurt) had security fire 2 LAW rockets into the chopper, then recover the nuke (a B-61 freefall bomb) from the wreckage. This was in 1977-78...
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:11 PM
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13. highly unlikely to be a "mistake"
Come on. No way this was a mistake.

It would seem that someone was trying to sneak them out of the country through a port in Louisiana and got caught.

Also, I'm no "expert" who gets paid the big buck to screw things up, but in addition to having special safeguards such as unlock codes, wouldn't it also make common sense to put GPS on each one so each of their locations are always known, with alarm systems and such? I mean they can do that sort of thing with Paris Hilton via the ankle bracelet.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:19 PM
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17. All weapons have a PAL (permissive action link)
So the things were considered 'inert' for all practial purposes. This weapon is amazingly small, only 12 inches around and maybe 28-30 inches long.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:31 PM
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21. This is call for even more safeguards than PAL
I think whatever technology is out there ought to be used in combination. Since we have GPS we should use it, IMO.

Even if PAL prevents detonations, don't you think that the plutonium inside the bomb could be extracted for making a dirty bomb?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:01 PM
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29. Similar comment from a freeper:
I watched a Nuclear Load up from the Front of a Tab V.
Those guys worked for an hour or so coding and testing.

You cannot make a mistake like that.

26 posted on 09/05/2007 9:15:03 AM PDT by agincourt1415
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:16 PM
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14. I was in SAC
as well as USAFE and there is no well in hell that this could happen back than. I haven't been in the Personnel Reliability Program for a while, but I can't see how this is not more than an innocent mistake.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:52 PM
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23. That was my understanding too. What has replaced SAC and why has
the security surrounding NUCLEAR WEAPONS (!!!) been allowed to become so lax?

Perhaps more importantly, why in hell aren't people freaked out by this?!?



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:02 PM
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30. I kinda am!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:17 PM
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15. "Just who in hell were they thinkin' of carpet bombin' this time?" worried US residents asked today.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:21 PM
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18. was a mistake, or was it?
Oops! Were those nuclear warheads on my B-52 bomber?

http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/articles/show/id/12251
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:21 PM
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19. K&R #3 for: Don't worry. They informed Shrub, so we're safe. True. n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:23 PM
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20. Loose Nukes: Warheads in the Sky
Edited on Wed Sep-05-07 02:23 PM by seemslikeadream
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:38 PM
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22. Well, boys, I reckon this is it
Nuk'lar combat toe-to-toe with the Freepers.

Now, let's get this thing on the hump! We got some flyin' to do!





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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:13 PM
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34. Ah'm a-gettin' them doors open if it harelips ever'body on Bear Creek!
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Netbeavis Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:54 PM
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24. No, No...I said put the nudes on the noseart...not nukes
<doh>
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 03:02 PM
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25. Stateside Air Force fighter, bomber flights to be halted September 14....WTF????
....shades of 9/11??? Why announce to the entire world there won't be any air cover for the US on this date??? :yoiks:
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 03:18 PM
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28. This doesn't smell right
The military is leaking this themselves for some purpose. They could easily keep this quiet. Anonymous doesn't cut it for me.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:05 PM
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31. k&r and something isn't right about this.
I don't see how a plane could be mistakenly loaded. I don't understand why they are releasing this to the public (reassure us my ass).
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:08 PM
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32. Smells fishy to me. K&R
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:17 PM
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35. you, me and Larry Johnson
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:09 PM
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33. OK NOW I AM REALLY SCARED
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:40 PM
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36. Where the fuck is Cheney?
Where is that weaselly little no account rat bastard? This stinks to high heaven. Who were we planning to nuke and who were we planning on blaming for the nuking?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:42 PM
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37. Oh, but - but - but - WE'RE keeping you SAFER!!!!
My God. If Democrats were in the White House and the Pentagon and this happened on their watch, the republi-CONS would be out building guillotines all over the Washington Mall.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:04 PM
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38. Thoughts on this anyone?
I read these comments elsewhere:


Also, you don't ship inert weapons for decommissioning on the wing or in the bomb bay. The 'live' nukes are loaded in tractor trailers. A federal marshal rides in the cab with full auto M-16. Other marshals escort the shipment in armored suburbans. They are not escorted on public roads by military units.

Don't forget the special "changes" Bush and Cheney have made to our nuclear arsenal. It is no longer in the control of the UC Board of Regents, it is now in the hands of the Carlyle Group and Bechtel. Also the only covert operation that was tracking nuclear and dual-use materials globally was shut down by them. They actually could sneak nukes out of our arsenal and into some cities without anyone outside of their personal co-conspirator base knowing.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 08:02 PM
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42. OMFG
I pop in for 30s and have the s@@@ scared out of me.

This is insane.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:25 PM
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39.  They call this a mistake , missing the toilet bowl is a mistake
They will say anything and do what they want and then tag on the word mistake .

I don't know how the public was not at risk , what if the plane lost power or some idiot pulled the wrong lever ?

Perhaps they wanted to see if this would come out into the publics view before the actual homeland blast takes place .

I can't imagine the air force would release this mistake info with nukes on the wing .
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:27 PM
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40. Fuckarama. No words. N/T
BHN
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:28 PM
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41. this is unacceptable.....please end the nightmare
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Anita Garcia Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 09:25 PM
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43. They really love Louisiana!
Can't you tell how much they love us?
I just feel the love oozing out of every pore.
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