Pastor had sex with daughters to teach them how to be good wives

[Bluebear]

Truly sickening.

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A fundamentalist church pastor had sex with two of his teenage daughters to educate them on how to be good wives, a South Australian court has heard. The 54-year-old man, who cannot be named, was sentenced in the SA District Court to eight and a half years jail after pleading guilty to seven counts each of incest and unlawful sexual intercourse.

The court heard that the man had sex with his daughters for nearly a decade from 1991 when they were aged 13 and 15 at the family property.

The sex took place at various locations including in a shearer's shed, a paddock, on the back of a ute and, on one occasion, at the girls' grandparents house.

The man told the court the sex was not about fulfilling his desires but about teaching his daughters how to behave for their husbands when they eventually married, as dictated in scripture.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Pastor-had-sex-with-daughters-court/2007/08/30/1188067267416.html

[ceile]

1. "Not about fulfilling his desires...."

Yeah, riiiight.....:puke:

[Donnachaidh]

2. he should be a candidate for chemical castration

Eight and a half years for almost a decade of what is essentially rape? I hope someone in the prison teaches him how to be a *good wife*. :grr:

[hvn_nbr_2]

35. He should be a candidate for Congress (R - South Nutballs) nt

[no_hypocrisy]

3. My father taught me how to bait a hook, catch a fish, and remove it from the hook.

I'm so glad he stopped with that valuable skill as a life lesson.

[Critters2]

26. My father taught me how to make a "7 and 7"

and my grandmother was horrified by that.

See, Grandma, it could've been worse. WAAAAY worse!!

[Withywindle]

38. My dad taught me how to shoot a bottle cap across the room

with ballistic force by snapping your fingers.

He also taught me how to cuss, when Nixon was still in office and I was still in training pants.


Those are FINE father-daughter lessons, IMO.


This....no. just no.

[VLC]

4. he can't be named?

why the hell not?

should he be sheltered more than people who commit nonviolent crimes?

poor girls.

[cali]

9. Perhaps it's to protect the privacy of the daughters. n/t

[youthere]

41. Maybe it's Voldemort?

Seriously..I think its probably to protect the kids. Sick bastard.

[spanone]

5. for nearly a fucking decade???? hey pastor, jesus wants a word with you.....

[hlthe2b]

6. I'd say it is time for this Pastor to receive his own biblical lesson..

Several pretty grisly ones come to mind... I guess we'll pass that up to a higher power....

[karlrschneider]

7. "What's a ute?"

:evilgrin:

[soothsayer]

12. my cousin vinny. heh.

[Mountainman]

28. I really liked that movie, the female lead was great!

Marisa Tomei

[IndianaJones]

15. youths your honor...youths. nt.

[Sal Minella]

"Utility vehicle?" as in sports utility vehicle?

[Esra Star]

17. A "Ute" is like a "pick up". A vehicle with a tray back, mainly for

carting things. Sometimes it comes in handy though.:eyes:

[Reciprocity]

19. Here you go.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

62. Here we call those "flatbed pickups."

Or at least I'm pretty sure that's the correct American phrase.

[Maine-ah]

66. flat beds don't have sides to them. eom.

[conscious evolution]

67. Some have removable sides

The one in the photo above looks like it has removable sides also.Ours are usually higher and look like a fence in a way.
I would call it a flatbed.

[hootinholler]

27. I was thinking Ute indians, lol.

I had to google it.

-Hoot

[intaglio]

33. ute= Utility Vehicle n/t

[appleannie1]

55. I think it is an animal

[TroglodyteScholar]

58. Noun:

From m-w.com:

1 : a member of an American Indian people originally ranging through Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico
2 : the Uto-Aztecan language of the Ute people

Kinky..:freak:

[lvx35]

8. I wonder how inspired he was by the story of Lot.

Its the daughter fucking part of the Old Testament.

Lot and his two virgin daughters followed the commands of God. They kept going. However, Lot's wife did not follow the commands of God. She looked back, and she turned into a pillar of salt.

Lot and his two daughters kept going higher into the hills. After some days and nights, they finally stopped. They stayed there for a while. They looked around. They rested. They found a cave in the mountains and lived there.

Finally, after some days, one daughter said to the other. "Now, we are all alone. All the people of our village of Sodom are dead. We have nothing left. We also have no men to become our husbands. We have only our father left. What shall we do?"

Finally, the two virgin daughters hit upon a plan. They found some grapes. They made them into wine. They prepared the wine for their father. Their father, not knowing what their plan was, drank the wine. Finally, their father became completely drunk. They carried Lot into his cave and laid him down.

One daughter left the other alone with Lot in the cave. The daughter in the cave with Lot had sex with her father. Lot was completely drunk and did not know what he was doing. The next day, Lot had no memory of this.

The next night, the two daughters brought some more wine. Lot drank the wine and got drunk again. Again, they took them into his cave. This time, the other daughter had sex with her father. The next morning, Lot had no memory of any of this.

[MissB]

14. The Brick Testament covers Lot's seduction much better.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/the_seduction_of_lot/gn19_30.html

[ComerPerro]

16. I have always loved that site

[lvx35]

21. Hehe! That's a gem. Thanks for that. nt

[eridani]

56. Larry Gonick's Cartoon History of the Universe has a humorous take on this

One daughter coming out of the cave--
The other daughter "How was it?"
First daughter "I suppose it beats waiting for Social Security to be invented."

[Bryn]

10. and with his "supportive" wife

Sick! x(

[Maddy McCall]

11. "in a shearer's shed, a paddock, on the back of a ute and"

That's just so strange.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Breaking: Unnamed 54 y.o. Australian man nominated for Republican Senate Seat.

"It's not about incest," says GOP leadership, "but about teaching america how to share family values."

[Nomad559]

18. Pastor Had Sex With daughters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x146010

[redqueen]

20. Wow... eight and a half whole years.

*sigh*

[SeattleGirl]

22. 8-1/2 years for nearly a decade of incest????

Jeebus, it should be at least DOUBLE that!

What a sick, sick man!

[azurnoir]

23. Those family values at work -again

but it was not about sex and the Bible told him so.

Had to wonder though if somewhere in the ME or Asia if this story will be printed and taken as the way Americans or Christians treat their daughters as a matter of course, the way stories of honor killing are here?

[Catherine Vincent]

24. Sickening.

:puke:

[Initech]

25. That is quite possibly the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of.

These people seriously need a hobby.

[saracat]

29. This is where I can believe in the death penalty!

[Forkboy]

31. I still can't....but this is the most tempted one can make me.

However, a "Beaten to within an inch of your life" penalty would be ok.

[saracat]

32. That would work for me too.

[stillcool]

30. shocking? ...

not. Isolated incident? Not.

The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.
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Family violence and abuse are among the most prevalent forms of interpersonal violence against women and young children -- both boys and girls. The sexual abuse of a child should never be "just a family matter," but many children are afraid to report an incident to the police because the abusers are too often a family friend or relative.

Approximately one-third of all juvenile victims of sexual abuse cases are children younger than 6 years of age. (Violence and the Family, Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family, 1996.)

According to the Justice Department, one in two rape victims are under age 18; one in six are under age 12. (Child Rape Victims, 1992. U.S. Department of Justice.)

FACE OF AMERICA :

About 81% of rape victims are white; 18% are black; 1% are of other races. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)
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Data from the National Women's Study, a longitudinal telephone survey of a national household probability sample of women at least 18 years of age, show 683,000 women forcibly raped each year and that 84% of rape victims did not report the offense to the police.3
http://www.paralumun.com/womensissues.htm

[Karenina]

34. Patriarchy in action.

:puke:

[WinkyDink]

36. WAAAAY too lenient a sentence.

[MazeRat7]

37. Brilliant !!!

The creative use of "religion" at any cost....

:sarcasm:

MZr7

[jazzjunkysue]

39. Old polygamist ploy. Works for NAMBLA, too. "Just trying to help."

"Out of concern for you, etc."

[Bluebear]

46. "Works for NAMBLA, too." - well, I certainly hope not!

What do you mean it works for them?

[jazzjunkysue]

64. Lots of sarcasm here on DU.

Translation: Sex predators often mollify their own remote guilt by telling themselves that they're only "helping" the victim in some way, by "loving"them or "giving" them attention.

It works for the perpetrators, but never the victims.

If you're gonna read DU assume that statements like mine are droll, reverse sarcasm.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. And where was their mother for that decade? I can't believe she did know.eom

[raccoon]

63. My guess is she knew, but pretended she didn't.

I bet she wasn't sleeping with him, either. Which of course doesn't excuse it.

[MasonJar]

42. He should be in jail for the next 30 years. What a feeble excuse

for abuse of minors. A decade of abuse from a really sick fundamentalist preacher no less! Those poor, precious young women! I hope that they someday can overcome this travesty.

[Fierce]

43. He didn't have sex with them.

He raped them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. 8 1/2 Years????

It should be a minimum of 20 for that fucking perverted and mentally twisted fucker.

[Liberal_in_LA]

45. title of this thread makes me gag. eck!

[Liberal_in_LA]

47. 'his wife remained supportive" WTF!

Judge Lovell gave full credit for the man's guilty pleas, saying he was genuinely remorseful and had a good chance of rehabilitation as his wife and the church remained supportive.

[Bluebear]

48. 'and the church remained supportive' ! Double WTF!

[Solly Mack]

49. ...

...

I'll not type what I'm thinking

[Hoof Hearted]

50. No, he raped them because he's a sick pervert.

He can come up with whatever excuse he wants but

A. It's not sex, it's rape and
B. It really doesn't matter what "reasoning" he uses to try to explain the behavior.

[Laurier]

51. Exactly.

It is obvious, even just by the locations in which the rapes took place that he bloody well knew it was wrong, not to mention that his story stinks to hell and back (where he will reside one day, hopefully in the not too distant future). The man is among the lowest of the scum on the planet.

What I don't quite get, though, is how the judge told the guy that he didn't believe his excuses but still he got only 8 years in jail for rapes taking place multiple times over the course of 10 years. That seems pretty lenient.

[Tansy_Gold]

52. Yes, it's rape; no, he's not a sick pervert

If he were a sick pervert, he would be unable to control his actions.

No, folks, this guy is just, as another poster pointed out, patriarchy in action. Until he was caught and dragged into court and faced with spending a whole eight and a half years of his life in jail he considered this behavior perfectly normal. His "religion" -- patriarchy -- told him it was all right. Many, many institutions, including a popular culture that he and his church may even have denounced, promote an attitude toward women not a whole lot different from what this guy believed: that women, all women, are fair game for any man who can get 'em; that women, all women, are less than fully human; that women, all women, are responsible for their actions and for tempting men beyond their control; that women, all women, are essentially evil and can never, no matter what they do, overcome their evil nature except through a relationship with a man; that women, all women, are instruments of men's pleasure; that men, all men, are more worthy, more important, more holy than any woman.

I think, though, that it's wrong to say rape isn't sex. Rape most assuredly is sex; it may not be love or desire, but it is sexual. Because our western culture promotes romantic love as an almost essential component of marriage, sex, and procreation, we have tried to separate rape from sex because rape isn't love or romance (Bertrice Small and Rosemary Rogers notwithstanding). But rape is definitely sex, especially when used as a military or political weapon.

Most of the men who rape -- who force a partner to have sex with them against that partner's will or without her/his full consent -- are "normal" men. They are not mentally ill. What is "sick" is the culture that perpetuates the patriarchal notions of male sexual proprietorship and woman as sexual chattel.


Tansy Gold

[WinkyDink]

53. I think he knows now and knew then that what he was doing was ghastly and immoral.

[Laurier]

57. An observation.

I don't agree that "he considered his behavior perfectly normal" at all. He knew that it was wrong, he knew they it was not normal, he knew that it was not moral, and he knew that it was illegal. This is exhibited by the fact that he raped the children in locations where he thought he wouldn't get caught, and by the fact that he hid his behavior from everyone.

The man is a predator and a pervert.

I agree with you, however, on the use of the word "sick". I should have been more careful in my prior post in which I agreed with another poster that he is a "sick pervert". I was agreeing with the word "sick" only in the colloquial sense rather than in a medical/psychiatric sense.

I agree with you that he has no mental illness that should (or did) preclude him from knowing that what he did was wrong, immoral, illegal, and utterly contemptible.

[Katherine Brengle]

60. Hell-f*ing-yeah

"Most of the men who rape -- who force a partner to have sex with them against that partner's will or without her/his full consent -- are "normal" men. They are not mentally ill. What is "sick" is the culture that perpetuates the patriarchal notions of male sexual proprietorship and woman as sexual chattel."

I would clarify that while rape involves sex, it is not sex. It is "sex used as a weapon" rather than just "sex" itself.

[Shine]

54. Ewww....just ewww.

those poor girls. :(

[Katherine Brengle]

59. That fucking rapist will be eligible for parole in 4 years.

I'm not a violent person, but I swear to fucking dog if anyone ever hurt my child like that, I'd rip his dick off and choke him the fuck to death with it.

4-8.5 years for a decade of abuse of 2 helpless children. I'll say it again - society condones rape. A jail sentence like this is not acceptable.

[raccoon]

61. These fundies are the worst horndogs. nt

[B Calm]

65. Religiously INSANE