Thompson / Clinton / 3rd Party & sit it out

[mdmc]

(I don't see anyone that can beat Hilldog. Not in the primary. Not in the general.)

[TwilightGardener]

1. Who's the third party? That makes all the difference.

[mdmc]

3. any non GOP or Dem third party candidate my friend

Thompson
Clinton
Other + sit out
:hi:

[TwilightGardener]

4. Well, if it's Bloomberg, I'd have to seriously consider him. If it's Nader or

anyone wacky-fringey, I'd have to go with Hillary.

[qdemn7]

16. Bloomberg???

Fuck Bloomberg, he can go piss up a rope. :grr: :nuke:

[TwilightGardener]

18. I don't know enough about him, except that he's fairly progressive

on social issues, fiscally conservative (which I like), and considered competent as mayor--not sure if I'd vote for the guy, but I'd give him a look-over if Obama or Edwards don't make it as nominee.

[NaturalHigh]

2. It depends on whether there is even a third party on the ballot in Oklahoma.

It's notoriously hard for third parties to get on ballots here because of the insane number of signatures they have to get. Regardless, I won't be voting for Mrs. Clinton.

[mdmc]

6. We will have about 10 parties here in NYS

Many of them will cross endorse either the Dem or the GOP candidate. This makes it easy for them to keep their ballot status.

The WFP (working family party) and Independence party will support Hilldog.

The Conservative party and Right to Life Party will support the GOP (perhaps not if Ghouliani gets the nod).

Then we have the greens, socialist, pot party, and a couple others. They run their own folks.

[tom_paine]

5. 40% is way too high. Are we DUers that fucking stupid?

:wtf:

[NaturalHigh]

7. No, just won't vote for Mrs. Clinton.

:hi:

[tom_paine]

10. I am not happy with the Dems nor Hillary either, but we will get Emperor ThomBush

And THAT, very likely, means the cementing of the Bushifcation of the Executive Branch and the cementing of a Phony Bushified "Supreme" "Court", which will rule with the same integrity as Saddam's "Supreme" "Court", two things which have no fewer implications (even if they aren't as directly and brutally violent) for us as the Nazification of the German Executive and Judicial branches did for the Germans.

If the choice is between Hillary and ThomBush, then there is no choice at all.

I will ask again: Are DUers that fucking stupid?

[NaturalHigh]

11. You're entitled to your opinion.

I respectfully disagree.

[tom_paine]

13. And you are entitled to the future we all deserve. Enjoy BushPutinism.

I respectfully disagree.

And yes, we ALL carry responsibility for what our nation has and will become, now almost certainly.

Wow. Just like 2000. We're going to make it easy for them again. That's depressing...unutterably and bottomlessly depressing.

Just like we did in 1930s Germany. Read up. Their past is our present. The Left was too busy fighting each other to focus on Hitler. Then one day, Nazi 9/11 happened...

[NaturalHigh]

14. If you're arguing that I am somehow obligated to vote for Mrs. Clinton...

I have to wonder when my vote somehow became public property, subject to others' approval. In the grand scheme of things, my vote might not mean much, but it's still mine. I will vote my conscience, not the party line.

[tom_paine]

20. No. I am arguing that anyone who fails to vote for WHOMEVER

is running against Four More Years of Fred ThomBush (with a chance to WIN), is the rough moral equivalent of the German Left in the 1930s, and equally as blind.

In fact, your "vote" and mine mean absolutely NOTHING (but I wil cast mine anyway, as I suspect you will, also). Yours will mean less than nothing, as it will also be the equivalent of a Bushie disenfranchising a minority.

Vote your conscience, that is your right. It is also my right to point out that you are doing what the German Left of the 30s did in response to Hitler. With likely the same effect, which is to help push our once-free nation into the full-blown shitter of tyranny.

It's the simple truth. Pick up a history book and find how who and how you were in the 1930s. Get in touch with your former self.

Sorry if the truth hurts. Don't blame the messenger. Now you may go back to fighting with the other German Leftists instead of teaming up against Hitler when it counts.

I apologize again for tell you an inconvenient truth. Those things do tend to disturb.

[mdmc]

21. but naturalhigh's electoral vote will go to the GOP, mine to the Dem in NYS

:shrug:
What does it matter who we vote for?

[TornadoTN]

27. It matters a great deal, imho

Sure, the system we have is screwed up, but I still believe in voting every time the polls are open. Hell, I even work for campaigns in "lost cause" elections here in traditionally red Tennessee.

To me, its rewarding to know that I cast my vote based on intellect, research, and principles, not T.V. soundbytes and propaganda.

[mdmc]

32. couldn't we vote for a third party based on intellect, research, and principles

I mean, I really opposed this Iraq war, war with Iran, and the drug war (also NCLB, free trade, lack of universal health coverage, "welfare reform" and "bankruptcy reform". Since my electoral vote will most likely go to a candidate that supports all these things that I oppose, why not vote for a third party that supports the same thing that I do?

I will always vote for the best person. In NYS I know that the Dem will get the electoral vote. Why shouldn't I vote my conscience? What is the harm?

[NaturalHigh]

30. I'm pretty well versed in history.

My bachelor's degree is in history and government, so it's not like you're giving me any new information. My refusing to vote for Mrs. Clinton is not the equivalent of enabling Hitler. I've got nothing against a little hyperbole in politics, but that's kind of over the top.

[CTyankee]

19. I voted 3rd party back in the 70s and we got Reagan.

Voting for John Anderson was stupid. Not that my vote would have really counted. A few years later I happened to meet Anderson. He was one cold character.

I'm supporting John Edwards right now but I will vote for Hillary if she is the Dem candidate. But people have the right not to vote if they can't stand the choices offered. Unfortunately, that pretty much leaves you out in the cold.

[mdmc]

8. Perhaps not - I live in NYS, so my electoral vote will go to Hilldog

It doesn't matter who I vote for. Perhaps that non-Hilldog voters in this poll are thinking along similar lines.

[NaturalHigh]

9. Same here.

The Republican candidate will carry Oklahoma no matter how I vote. Any other vote in my state will simply be a protest vote.

I will add, however, that even if we switched to the popular vote tomorrow, I would never vote for Hillary Clinton.

[TornadoTN]

23. I live in Tennessee, support Obama, but will vote for Clinton

If she's the nominee, then I will fight tooth and nails for her candidacy. Tennessee is up for grabs unless the G.O.P. nomination goes to Thompson, and even then it will only cause me to fight harder.

There's a lot more at stake here then our own personal prejuidices against Mrs. Clinton. I should know, I have long been a detractor but in the grand scheme of things, we need her more than Thompson/Guiliani/McCain/et.al.

[Clark2008]

28. Up for grabs?

I live here, too. I thought that about us until the last Senate election, but not now - and not with the Dems we have running.

[TornadoTN]

29. I think overall its a lot closer than some imagine

After having worked for the Ford, Jr. campaign last election cycle, I saw and observed a lot of trends that are in our favor. Plus, support for the war is eroding very quick in the state, even in Eastern TN, which is typically a Republican stronghold. Sure, the right-wingers and christo-facsists will still vote the way they always vote, but things aren't as clear cut as it seems across the rest of the populace.

If Thompson enters, the state will most likely stay Red, but even with him there is a lot of doubt. Most people here only remember him as an actor and say "what the hell did he do in the Senate?". A very good question because the answer is: Not much.

[bluestateguy]

17. In 2003/early '04 a lot of DUers swore on their mothers' grave that they would not vote for Kerry

And I bookmarked some of the threads, and remember many of their screen names. Months later they were back on this board politicking for Kerry. I see no need to say who they are, so as to spare them embarrassment.

[bluestateguy]

12. I have taken the pledge

I will vote for the nominee, whether it's Hillary, Kucinich, Richardson, Gravel (God help us), Biden, Edwards (my choice), Dodd or Obama.

[Bitwit1234]

15. Well Obama can't that's for sure.

[book_worm]

22. 40% of Duers who took this poll would vote third party

and gurantee that the policies of the last 8 years be continued.

[NaturalHigh]

31. We can't have anyone voting their conscience, I suppose.

That would just be so inconvenient and messy.

[LSK]

24. its like 2000 and the past 6 years didnt exist for some

Of course Clinton. I will even campaign for her in the end. Sheesh.

This is a no brainer!

[TwilightGardener]

25. LOL! Some asshole voted for Hollywood Fred! 'Fess up, troll!

[Clark2008]

26. I think Thompson will kick her butt

Just saying...

I personally don't like either one of them but that's just me.

[mdmc]

33. he looks good on tv but not in real life

:kick: