Craig's three kids, from wife's previous marriage

[gasperc]

I'm not trying to imply anything from this fact other than the impression I have been getting from the media is that the three kids were his. This is simply not true. It plays into the hypocrisy of the whole situation. On this I fault the media because again they are actively working to distort the story for their own nefarious interests.

The link below is to a great post by Mike Rogers, it contains the info about his kids.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-rogers/enough-is-enough_b_63315.html

[Cooley Hurd]

1. ...and one of them didn't even show up for his "swan song" press conf on Saturday...

...because "he had to work." Yup, right...

[shain from kane]

12. He was late. No one picked him up at the airport. n/t

[Cooley Hurd]

34. Perhaps he kept himself busy in the airport restroom?

:yoiks:

[shain from kane]

39. Looking for his Dad. "Dad, are you in here? Knock, knock. Dad? Sorry, excuse me. Damn. Holy Toledo,

did anybody ever tell you that you were carrying a big package?"

[soothsayer]

2. where are the bloody sheets to prove they consummated their marriage????

[Left Is Write]

3. Considering Mrs. Craig was married before...

I think the ship already sailed on that particular method of proof. ;)

[Clark2008]

9. That and the fact that some women don't bleed the first time anyway.

In fact, most don't and, even if they do, I'd hardly call a drop or two "bloody."

Where did people get the idea that one's sheets would be a bloody mess? Just wondering.

[Left Is Write]

11. I don't know.

The very idea of this "custom" is repugnant, though. I think it's barbaric.

[Clark2008]

44. Of course it is - and phony.

I've read that many women would put goat or another animal's blood on the sheets because, even thought they were a virgin, they didn't bleed the first time and didn't want their new husband and his family to think she wasn't, lest she be killed.

Awful.

[soothsayer]

49. didn't babs spill wine on the sheets in yentl? lol

[soothsayer]

48. actually, my GF and I both bled when taking each other's virginity at ages 15 and 16

and yipes it was painful for a day or two. So yeah, so of us gals DO definitely bleed. But of course i was being silly unless mrs craig has an amazingly sturdy hymen,given that she'd had kids.

[AndyA]

4. A ready made family, without all the work. How nice.

And chances are, with three kids to care for, the wife wasn't too worried about tending to her "wifely duties." She was probably secretly thanking God that her husband had such a low sex drive.

Meanwhile, over at the men's rest room...

[Cooley Hurd]

6. ...not to mention he married her immediately AFTER his creepy denial during the 1982 page scandal...

...that he made BEFORE he was even mentioned. What's up with that?:shrug:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

25. And not to mention that she worked for him..... eom

[Gormy Cuss]

5. They are his kids, just as all adopted children are the kids of their adoptive parents.

There is no need for the media to highlight it unless they are trying to imply that it proves his sexual orientation, which of course it doesn't any more than if he had fathered children biologically.

[Beausoir]

10. God, thank you! A voice of reason.

My kids were adopted....they are MY kids. I don't see where this thread is going. :shrug:

[StarryNite]

14. I think the idea behind

this thread is that even though he has kids he didn't have sex with a woman in order to get them. So he can't point at them as proof that he isn't gay. Which is silly anyway because lots of gay men have biological children of their own. But yeah, your adopted kids are YOUR kids!

[gasperc]

13. true

[goodhue]

20. In 1982 Craig stated publicly he was not gay and had never been gay

In 1983 he married Suzanne and subsequently adopted her kids

[Gormy Cuss]

36. Therefore, they are his kids.

If he married his wife because he wanted a beard that's a different issue and certainly not relevant to question of whether her kids, legally adopted by Craig, are his kids.

[goodhue]

40. Indeed they are his kids--they were about 14, 12 and 7 when he married their mom

[stanwyck]

7. Rush Limbaugh has been able

to fool his rightwing audience about his "100% hetereosexuality" credentials despite his Jeff Christie arrest for soliciting male prostitutes during the '70's. He also has married women with children and then talked as though he was the biological father. Nevermind he never actually lived with the last wife. Their separate residences worked just fine for both. She got the money, he got the beard.
Of course, those stepchildren are just a fond memory these days. He's a bachelor once again, taking a private jet down to the Dominican Republic for fun and games.
Hell, that's a lot more discreet than a public bathroom in a Minneapolis airport.
It's sad. If only these men could lead honest lives.
They must always live in fear.

[LeftyMom]

8. This thread is beyond sleazy.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting such dreck.

[goodhue]

18. disagree

His 1983 marriage is one of the more interesting results of the 1982 page scandal.

[LeftyMom]

21. There's no reason to connect the two except salaciousness. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. Is It Inherently Wrong To Entertain The Notion His Wife Is A "Beard"?

I'm just asking...

[LeftyMom]

28. It's nobody's business but theirs. His violation of the law is a public matter, his marriage is not.

Crotch-sniffing is for Republicans and GD shouldn't read like the fucking Starr Report.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. People Speculate If Thomas Jefferson Had Sex With Sally Hemmings

I think DNA tests on her linear descendants suggests that's the case...

Lots of research into the sex life of public figures exist... We know about Ike and Kay Summersby, John Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe and Fiddle and Faddle, FDR and Lucy Mercer...

I'm trying to learn what is appropriate discovery and what isn't...

[LeftyMom]

42. Hint: All the figures you mentioned can't be hurt by it, on account of being dead. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Ike's Children And Kennedy's Remaining Child Is Still Alive

eom

[LeftyMom]

45. If you don't see the difference between a purient interest and a historical one

(though that tends to be blurred a bit in Kennedy's case) I really don't know how to explain it to you, except to say this- who the president is banging- especially when it's a person of some significance- is a matter of real historical interest. Hardly the most important thing ever, but good for a chapter in the presidential biography.

Who some obscure senator nobody outside of Idaho gave a flying fuck about married twenty five years ago is trivial. His motivation for doing so is a private matter.

Show some fucking decency and leave the man's family out of it. I expect this sort of nonsense from Republicans, but the rest of you should have some sense of decency and respect for privacy.

[goodhue]

46. But the Craig children were all over the media--proclaiming their Dad was not gay . . .

They appeared on Good Morning America for goodness sakes. They said they now knew exactly what happened in bathroom after questioning their father about sexual actions. So protestations of privacy make little sense.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=116&sid=1238205

Craig Children Asked Him About Incident
September 4, 2007 - 6:21pm

WASHINGTON (AP) - Two of Sen. Larry Craig's children said Tuesday they questioned him explicitly about "what exactly happened in that bathroom" where he was arrested in a sex sting and believe his assertions that he isn't gay.

Michael Craig said they asked their father about the June 11 incident at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport, which led to the Idaho Republican's resignation last week after it became public, because "we were shocked" at media accounts of the incident, he said.

* * *

In an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America," Michael Craig said his father was simply "a victim of circumstance" and "in the wrong place at the wrong time."

"We've known him our whole life. He has been so trustworthy to us, so honest to us, that we believe him," said Michael Craig, 38.

Larry Craig adopted Michael and his two siblings after marrying their mother, the former Suzanne Scott, in 1983. Craig has worked in the Senate to promote adoption.

Among the questions he and his sister Shae Howell, 36, said they asked their father was "what exactly happened in that bathroom," and they tried to "break down definitions of what words mean," including semantic definitions of sex, Michael Craig said.

"Maybe it wasn't sexual intercourse, but were these sexual actions? Were there sexual feelings? All these terrible things that were said in the media, we asked all those tough questions," Michael Craig said. "I don't want to have an answer based on a legality or technicality or semantics of the words. We wanted to know exactly what happened and after speaking to our dad, we know exactly what happened."

* * *

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=116&sid=1238205#

[goodhue]

26. Well the Idaho Statesman connected the two when reporting of rumors that Craig was gay

http://www.idahostatesman.com/larrycraig/story/143801.html

* * *

The Page Scandal

Until the Mike Rogers report in October and the Roll Call story on Monday, rumors about Craig were grounded in the 1982 congressional page scandal. Craig denied involvement in 1982, but the timing of his statement fueled rumors that lasted decades. Among them were that Craig married shortly after the scandal to cover up his alleged homosexuality.

* * *

[Ex Lion Tamer]

19. ?

I think the inital post is entirely appropriate. Craig is not the biological father; he is the adoptive father. That's a fact; it's not a judgment.

The implications of that fact raised by other posters--that it may be a "cover" for his homosexuality--are perhaps unsavory. But, on the other hand, Craig's history certainly is interesting; and such a "cover" is hardly unheard of--particularly in gays of that generation. Heck, I've even got a very dear friend and spiritual advisor who came out after 30 years of marriage.

[goodhue]

22. the implication that marriage was a cover was specifically mentioned in 8/28 Idaho statesman story

the story is a must read from beginning to end

http://www.idahostatesman.com/larrycraig/story/143801.html

[LeftyMom]

27. The genetic origin of his children is not a political issue.

Trying to make it one is disgusting. Especially since we don't have any idea if he's attracted to women or not- it's quiet possible he's bi and actually did or does love his wife.

In any case, it's none of our business, the kids are private citizens who don't need to be dragged into this mess, and this thread is at best horribly meanspirited and petty.

[goodhue]

29. but timing of marriage has in fact been a factor in the longstanding rumors that he was gay

As reported 10 days ago by the Idaho Statesman

[Midlodemocrat]

15. Bullshit. Those kids are his.

And to insinuate otherwise is despicable. You have just joined the 'this is my adoptive son and this is my real son' brigade. :thumbsdown:

[goodhue]

17. it has been well reported that he is not their biological father

he married suzanne and adopted her kids from prior marriage after the 1982 page scandal during which he said he was not gay and had never been gay and that the media were persecuting him

[goodhue]

16. He adopted his step kids.

His marriage in 1983 followed his 1982 denial of being gay.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/larrycraig/story/143801.html

* * *

The Page Scandal

Until the Mike Rogers report in October and the Roll Call story on Monday, rumors about Craig were grounded in the 1982 congressional page scandal. Craig denied involvement in 1982, but the timing of his statement fueled rumors that lasted decades. Among them were that Craig married shortly after the scandal to cover up his alleged homosexuality.

Craig and the then-Suzanne Scott had their first date on Valentine's Day 1980, when Craig was making his first run for Congress. Craig proposed six months after the scandal, on Suzanne's birthday, Dec. 28, 1982. They married in July 1983.

About a year before the marriage, on June 30, 1982, 13.3 million viewers of CBS News heard page Leroy Williams allege he had sex with three House members when he was 17.

The following day, Craig issued a statement saying he'd received calls from reporters saying they were going to publish his name in connection with the scandal. His statement called the allegations "part of a concerted effort at character assassination."

* * *

He told a national audience: "Persons who are unmarried as I am, by choice or by circumstance, have always been the subject of innuendos, gossip and false accusations. I think this is despicable."

Before he hit the airwaves, Craig hosted a breakfast for his campaign staff at the Owyhee Hotel to tell them what was about to happen. Brad Hoaglun remembers the moment: "He was very matter-of-fact and forthright. He said, ‘I want to tell you nothing in the story is accurate.'"

* * *

[MonkeyFunk]

24. he adopted them

they're his kids.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. My Cousins Were Adopted

The implication or inference here is that Craig's children and wife are "beards"...

I'm not rejecting or embracing these implications or inferences but there is certainly enough information in the public record that a reasonable person could embrace them...

[LeftCoast]

31. If he adopted them, they are 'his' kids

My dad adopted me when he married my mom. Very similar situation to this - minus the whole gay senator thing. :)

[goodhue]

33. Micheal Craig, 38; Shae Howell, 36; Jay Craig, 33

The kids have names and are now adults. They say they asked their father about the restroom incident and that they believe his assertions that he isn't gay . . .
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=116&sid=1238205

[goodhue]

35. Mo Rocca on The First Beards Club

The First Beards Club: Starring Dina McGreevey, Suzanne Craig and ???



http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2007/09/05/the-first-beards-club-starring-dina-matos-suzanne-craig-and/

[Catherine Vincent]

37. They're his, just not his biological kids.

And he is not GAY. :)

[goodhue]

38. Bizarrely, there happens to be an arrest warrant out for daughter Shea Howell . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2980177&mesg_id=2980177



http://www.boiseguardian.com/2007/09/05/craig_bungling_continues.html

[Quantess]

41. I have to wonder about women who marry gay men.

I wonder if some of them marry a gay man because they don't like sex? Especially among Republicans, because right-wing women are more repressed.

What do you all think of this? Am I onto something?

[goodhue]

47. maybe they just don't like sex with men

eom

[Quantess]

50. Aahh. Gotcha.

;) Gay man marries gay woman.

But, I thought gays aren't allowed to marry each other!:rofl: