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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:38 PM
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IS CHINA QUIETLY DUMPING US TREASURIES?
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 03:39 PM by redacted
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 12:25am BST 06/09/2007

A sharp drop in foreign holdings of US Treasury bonds over the last five weeks has raised concerns that China is quietly withdrawing its funds from the United States, leaving the dollar increasingly vulnerable.

(SIDEBAR: China threatens `nuclear option' of dollar sales)

Data released by the New York Federal Reserve shows that foreign central banks have cut their stash of US Treasuries by $48bn since late July, with falls of $32bn in the last two weeks alone.

"This comes as a big surprise and it is definitely worrying," said Hans Redeker, currency chief at BNP Paribas.

"We won't know if China is behind this until the Treasury releases its TIC data in November, but what it does show is that world central banks are in a hurry to get out of the US. They don't seem to be switching into other currencies, so it is possible they are moving into gold instead. Gold is now gaining momentum across all currencies and has broken through resistance at 500 euros," he said.

While the greenback has been resilient over recent weeks - even regaining something of a 'safe-haven' role as banks scrambled to buy the currency to cover dollar debts - most experts believe that America's $850bn current account deficit will eventually cause the dollar to resume its relentless slide.

David Powell, an economist at IDEAglobal in New York, pointed the finger at Beijing as the main suspect in the sudden bond flight this summer.

In a client note entitled "Has China started to dump US Treasuries?", he said the sales appear to coincide with early moves by Beijing to launch its new $300bn sovereign wealth fund.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=GY1NMUYVC50JXQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/money/2007/09/05/bcnchina105.xml

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:41 PM
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1. So the dollar goes down
Then our goods are cheaper for other countries to buy and their goods more expensive. Sounds good for US manufacturing.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:45 PM
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3. But terrible for U.S. consumers because all our goods are IMPORTED
We don't really manufacture any equipment of value in this country anymore. I can't even buy a toaster made in this country. All those prices on goods, which are imported for the most part, are skyrocketing as the dollar falls.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:56 PM
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16. Well, obviously it sounds like we have a need to resurrect US manufacturing jobs.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:47 PM
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5. It would be, if we made anything anymore. nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:28 PM
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13. WHAT "US manufacturing"? Giant crappy SUVs?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:09 PM
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19. They are not made in the US either
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:35 PM
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21. Riiiiiight.
I've heard that for years but have yet to see a benefit to an average American.

Just another right-wing talking point to make Americans feel good about their worthless dollars.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:42 PM
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2. Expect calls of
"Don't panic! Keep customer confidence up!!!!"

Great Depression 2.0 on the horizon- and look! It's the Federal Reserve's fault AGAIN!!!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:45 PM
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4. IMO they would be foolish not to
The USA is accumulating debt so fast it has to make anyone worry.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:49 PM
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6. If China is dumping U.S. treasuries there is no way it could be quiet. n/t
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:53 PM
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8. exactly n/t
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:03 PM
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17. Really? Support please? Link? What's your point?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:08 PM
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18. China June 07, had $405.1 billion, 27.6%, of U.S. treasuries. It's impossible for China to "quietly
dump" a significant portion of its holdings.

The U.S. government and corporate controlled media could silence such actions for a very short time but given the effect that such an action by China would have on global financial markets, it would be common knowledge in the global market very quickly.

I have no way of knowing whether China plans to dump U.S. treasuries but IMO they could not do so "quietly". That's the only point I was making.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:52 PM
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7. At least a vote of "No Confidence" in US currency...may very well be more...
Could be that they see the US coming out on the losing side of an expanded Middle East War...
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:00 PM
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9. So why shouldn't China dump the US dollar? It is their right. They are
doing it quietly so they do not lose too much. Just like Wall Street investors.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:08 PM
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10. Better Link (DU gags on semicolons in links)...
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:14 PM
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11. Buy our toxic toys and poisonous food or USD will be history!
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 04:16 PM by TorchesAndPitchforks
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:22 PM
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12. let`m dump the dollar and watch their economy stall out.
much to do about nothing....
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:29 PM
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14. Depends on how far along their internal markets are....
Once China becomes the primary buyer of Chinese goods, what would they need dollars for? :shrug:
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:18 AM
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22. Most of China is still agricultural, they still know how to grow food and...
clean chickens...
Also, they've been using soft diplomacy to enlarge the market for their industrial products, the whole world is now their market, not just the US.
They could survive dumping the dollar, the USA could not.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:47 PM
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15. yes, and last xmas our treasury team threatened to bomb IRAN if China
tried to dump their dollars (they went ovre in person following the thanksgiving attack against the dollar coordinated by china, syria, and the UK, which attacked the dollar in waves as you'll recall). The chinese said "you wouldn't dare do anything so crazy" as to bomb iran to cut china off from oil for a month or more and bernanke laughed and said 'have you met my boss?'

If we attack Iran, believe me, it is to punish China.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:31 PM
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20. "Have you met my boss?"
That's some scary sh*t when our our guys are joking about the LUNATIC in the WH.
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