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Chipster Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:51 PM
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Mexican Trucks Roll Across the United States
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 05:52 PM by Chipster
Today, with US government and court authorization, Mexican trucks will begin to roll, bisecting the continental United States, northbound to the Canadian border – and anywhere else in the US - as part of a year-long "pilot program" championed by the Bush administration. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals recently approved the program when it denied a request made by the Teamsters, the Sierra Club and the nonprofit Public Citizen to halt it.

NAFTA requires that all roads in the United States, Mexico and Canada to be opened to carriers from all three countries. Previously, Mexican trucks and their cargo had to stop within 20 miles inside the US border, where cargo was then transferred to American carriers for national distribution. Advocates argue that the program allows American trucking firms access into Mexico and upholds agreements in NAFTA.

Teamsters argued that the program failed to create a program that yields statistically valid findings and to reveal the inspection results for motor carriers allowed to drive beyond the border zone.

Reacting to the decision, Teamsters General President James P. Hoffa stated: “Congress has repeatedly and overwhelmingly set stringent safety conditions for the cross-border trucking program to meet before our borders are thrown open,” Hoffa said. “The Transportation Department inspector general’s report released Aug. 21 made it clear that those conditions have not been met. The Bush administration’s reckless endangerment of the American people is matched only by its brazen disregard for the law of the land....This is the wrong decision for American working men and women. We will now proceed to litigate this case on the merits. We believe this program clearly breaks the law. We will continue to fight for safety and national security in the courts and in Congress."

Under the current briefing schedule, the Teamster brief is due on November 19 and government's response is due on December 17.


In May, the House of Representatives voted 411-3 to delay the pilot program, requiring a series of safeguards including an independent panel for program evaluation, and US DOT certification that safety and inspection requirements have been met, including English-proficiency and alcohol and drug testing. The Border-Trade Alliance supported the program and safeguards.

The Senate is scheduled to begin debate on the FY2008 Transportation Appropriations bill next week. This week, Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA) issued a national action alert urging its members to contact their senators and ask them to include a provision to cut off funding to the Mexican truck pilot program, similar to the already amended House version.

Some critics oppose the program because they say that it fails to comply with congressional mandates for operator, equipment and safety requirements. Others fear that the Mexican trucks will disperse illegal immigrants and drugs throughout the nation. Still others oppose it as a labor-cost lowering device by international corporations.

All of which is a more than a bit reminiscent of the unconstitutional techniques successfully employed by the Bush administration in Rovian-contrived black-box voting: obliterate standards and undermine quantitative measurement.

But, there's much more to raise alarm.

Never mind that California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas have higher truck-vehicle accident rates than other states – a possible and probable indicator of the carnage we can anticipate on our national roads, in the name of "expedited delivery" of consumer goods – and higher corporate profits – without corporate accountability (liability).

Never mind that Article 4, section 4 of the US Constitution guarantees the federal government will protect every state against invasion and domestic violence.

Never mind that the federal government, under the Bush administration, has failed to fulfill its Constitutional responsibility to secure our national borders.

Never mind that the US Department of Transportation Inspector General acknowledges in his recent reportthat:

  • the driver database used by US highway enforcement officials to identify Mexican truckers contains "data inconsistencies," (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California inexplicably stopped recording tickets issued to Mexican truckers for a period of time, according to a Senate Appropriations Committee report);
  • Mexican buses may not be inspected during peak periods;
  • it isn't mandatory for inspectors to record the vehicle identification number (VIN) and year of manufacture;
  • Mexico has no laboratories certified to do drug and alcohol testing so all samples must be sent to the US.


Never mind that a FBI intelligence report of the Joint Terrorism Task Force reported that an illegal human-smuggling ring has been bringing Iraqis across the border illegally for more than a year after reckoning that it was more lucrative (at $20K-$25K a pop) to smuggle Iraqis than Mexicans.

And, let's not take into account experiences and warnings the Congressional Research Service documented, or the actions Congress took:


  • On March 23, 2005, George Bush hosted meetings in Texas with President Fox and Prime Minister Martin, in which the leaders established the trilateral “Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America.” The SPP will seek to advance the common security and the common prosperity of the countries through expanded cooperation and harmonization of policies.

  • According to the Department of Homeland Security, from FY2001 to FY2005, there were 144 border incursions by the Mexican military. Dialogue with the Mexican military has reduced the frequency of such incursions by half. (Never mind that we're "dialoguing" with bordering military invaders but can't do that with Middle Eastern nations with disparate political views, whom we would rather provoke). A recent Mexican military border incursion netted US law enforcement 1,400 pounds of pot, later disavowed by the Mexican government as "drug traffickers, not Mexican military. (OK, pare that back to 143 border incursions, for the sake of "diplomacy"...)

  • On January 26, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced the discovery of a tunnel from Tijuana to a warehouse in San Diego. Mexican officials seized 2 tons of marijuana, and U.S. officials seized 200 pounds of marijuana. The 2,400-foot long tunnel is the longest tunnel ever found at the the U.S.-Mexican border.

  • In testimony before the Investigations Subcommittee of the House Committee on Homeland Security on February 7, Border Patrol Chief David Aguilar indicated that assaults against border patrol agents are increasing. In FY2005, 778 border patrol agents were assaulted, and 192 have been assaulted in FY2006. This is a significant increase from FY2004, when 374 border patrol agents were assaulted.

  • National Intelligence Director John Negroponte named Mexico in his Annual Threat Assessment for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as a country of concern regarding the capacity of drug trafficking organizations to undermine already weak state authority.

  • On December 16, 2005, the House passed H.R. 4437 (Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005) that would, among other things, strengthen border security, compel employers to use a pilot system to check for employment eligibility, mandate retention of illegal immigrants, make it a crime to be in the United States illegally or to assist illegal aliens, and require the deployment of a fence and surveillance equipment along the Mexico-U.S. border.

  • On May 12, 2005, (Former) President Fox stated that his government would protest the recently passed immigration measures in the FY2005 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, saying that “it is useless to pursue walls, barriers, and the use of force and violence.”


And the current Mexican president, Felipe Calderon, recently reinforced that assertion, saying that would continue to "energetically protest unilateral actions" of the U.S. Congress on the immigration front that "exacerbate the persecution of undocumented Mexicans in the U.S." He boasted that Mexican consulates in the United States have been fortified to protect the rights of millions of Mexicans living there illegally.

"Wherever there is a Mexican," he said, "that is Mexico."

It's not about a Bush-supported invasion of our national sovereignty to ingratiate him to his corporate masters in contravention of our national Constitution, though, or as his father, Bush, Sr. asserted, "the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order," it's about "free trade," right?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:53 PM
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1. Just one of the MANY reasons Kucinich would pull out of NAFTA.
Sadly, the "top-tier" *puti* candidates would nibble at the edges. Can't piss off the sponsors!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:54 PM
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2. more loss of jobs--union jobs at that for the most part
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:56 PM
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3. I think this
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 05:58 PM by vpilot
is going to have some very negative effects on truckers and Longshoremen, never mind road safety, drug smuggling, human trafficking, etc. Is it my imagination that Bu$h seems to be doing everything he can to hose working class Americans?
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:57 PM
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4. This is so not good.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:57 PM
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5. Do they honk in spanish? If so, I may not hear em and get run over
:rofl:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. All of their horns play "La Bamba"...
... or "La Cucaracha"
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:27 PM
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22. You mean they are coming here and cannot even honk in English? we need an official honkey
tone :)
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. I thought that was what the "OOOGA" horn was for?
:shrug:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:57 PM
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6. This is good for US Corps. Capitalism at it's finest.
All Americans should be in favor of this good neighbor policy. Those who complain about this are
un- Patriotic Americans.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:02 PM
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7. Why should I be upset about mexican truck drivers in the U.S.
And not Canadian drivers in the U.S.?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. simple...i think we can sue a Canadian insurance carrier
and expect a judgement ...mexico? ya, good luck.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:10 PM
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9. delete
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 06:10 PM by madrchsod
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:17 PM
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11. Good point!!!
This is going to put Unionized AMERICAN workers out of jobs. This is not an anti-Mexican citizen issue, as some would assume. These trucks are not safe, they do not do log books, etc. If they were made to abide by the Federal Transportation rules that American drivers have to follow, it would be a different story. But, those rules will not be adhered to. Just ask any American truck driver what he/she thinks of this. We should be up in arms about this, but we will remain silent even those lives and livelihoods will be lost due to the American corporations desire to profit at the expense of the American people once again. Those who jump up to defend the Mexican workers will feel differently when one of their crappy trucks driven by a Mexican who has been driving for too many hours runs them over on the expressway.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:57 PM
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95. So why not extend the Union to these Mexican Drivers?
That would really freak our Corporate Masters out -- Mexican Teamsters demanding the same rights and wages as their U.S. American brothers and sisters!



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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #8
87. both Canadian and Mexican truckers
in the US are required to have insurance issued by a US firm.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:14 PM
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10. As long as they meet U.S. safety, labor, environmental, liability, and compensation standards ...
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 06:15 PM by TahitiNut
... the nationality is irrelevant. Try comparing Canadian and Mexican standards and enforcement in those areas.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:24 PM
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18. They don't.
--from John Edwards

http://johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/20070903-open-highways/

Last month, an audit found that the database used to monitor Mexican drivers with license convictions - known as the '52nd State System' - has failed to record thousands of convictions. Mexican diesel trucks will not be required to meet the stricter emissions standards of states like California."


-- and from Kucinich

http://www.teamster.org/07news/hn_070905_3.asp

I support the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, the Sierra Club, and Public Citizen in their legal challenge opposing this latest travesty in a "free trade" policy that has wiped out millions of American jobs and now poses an even further threat to Americans' safety and security.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. Safety.
I share Interstate 35 with semis. Interstate 35 is the main north-south route out of Mexico. The trucks from Canada I feel are probably the safest in general. The US trucks are probably fairly safe on average. The ones from Mexico? Sorry, not confident.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #21
89. Foreign drivers pose a serious safety risk. They don't live by our traffic laws.
I feel a lot less safer on the road now. I always hated driving side by side with semis. Now I will be even more fearful. It's just a matter of time before tragedy strikes.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:17 PM
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12. This important thread just needs one more kick
for the greatest page. Use the link above to contact your Senators, please.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:21 PM
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14. Another of the increasingly rare opportunities for average Americans to make a living bites the dust
...and the band played on...

Give this two years and combine it with the coming decimation of what remains of the housing/construction trades...



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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:21 PM
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15. I used to live in California-many of those trucks are unsafe! Retread tires, you name it!
Damn those greedy bastards! :grr:

I wonder if individual states can stop this?
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:26 PM
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20. They tried, GoldenRule,
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 06:56 PM by Kajsa
'The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals denied the emergency injunction.'

http://www.teamster.org/action/political/NAFTA/nafta.asp

Then the Supremes shot it down.

http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=1927978&nav=5D7lNlKl


More pollution, more traffic and less safety for CA.

:grr:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #20
56. Thanks for the info-I've been computerless for awhile and am playing catch up.
:hi:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #56
81. You're Welcome!

It's been an active week.

:hi:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #15
83. exactly!
you see them all over LA, rickety, held together with wire, you get the picture. very unsafe!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:41 AM
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94. Check out the Long Beach freeway where all the trucks come & go from the port to pick up containers-
the freeway is littered with blown tires and had broken down trucks and accidents on a regular basis. :(
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:22 PM
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16. Remember to make money for his buddies
bush was going to sell out the ports in this country. That is til someone got wind of it and it was stopped. They learned their lesson and took this case to a right wing judge to make sure the trucks weren't stopped. Wonder how much bush and his family and friends are making off this deal.

When the monster took office he had 850 thousand dollars in assets. He now has 21 million. And he also owns a 98,000 acre ranch in Paraguay remember. Where in the hell did he get all this money. I can't begin to imagine how much his family has made. And the topper will be how much cheney has squirreled away in off shore banks.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:22 PM
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17. Remember to make money for his buddies
bush was going to sell out the ports in this country. That is til someone got wind of it and it was stopped. They learned their lesson and took this case to a right wing judge to make sure the trucks weren't stopped. Wonder how much bush and his family and friends are making off this deal.

When the monster took office he had 850 thousand dollars in assets. He now has 21 million. And he also owns a 98,000 acre ranch in Paraguay remember. Where in the hell did he get all this money. I can't begin to imagine how much his family has made. And the topper will be how much cheney has squirreled away in off shore banks.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:25 PM
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19. Living in Arizona, this scares me to death from a safety standpoint.
Living in this country, this makes me frightened for those who drive trucks for a living (more union-busting).
Call your Reps, peeps!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:31 PM
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23. Hey, Chipster! I'm so glad you're spreading the word.
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 06:32 PM by Kajsa
You know my opinion of this,

Loss of American jobs,
Harm to our environment,
Anyone who poses as a Mexican trucker
can drive freely across our border.

Very Bad, Insane Idea!

;(

______________________________________

Keep up the good work, lady.
:pals: :hi:


:yourock:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:39 PM
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25. No matter how this gets dressed up, it still seems
too much like the racist BS being peddled by Swift Liar Jerome Corsi.

Bush makes power grab
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. No kidding.
The bit about protecting the country from "invasion" should be the deat giveaway.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Fuck that- this is about the loss of UNION jobs.
What do you suppose happens to the people who
USED to accept the deliveries from Mexico and
transport goods?
Seem like they are shit out of luck now, eh?
What's racist about that observation?

BHN
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Again with the shifting goal posts.
If it's really about union jobs, why aren't they protesting Canadian drivers?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. If the same applies to Canadian tucks, they SHOULD be protesting that too.
I do not know the regulations regarding Canadian trucks, OR the
the percentage of goods transported through the US by Canada.
Do you?
I would suspect the numbers are much higher south of the border
given the number of corps operating there.

BHN
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Canada has a much more unionized labor force.
Those truck drives are likely to be driven by union members.

Canada is known as a corruption-free place with good regulations and the rule of law.

Mexico is known as being very corrupt with unenforced regulations and without the rule of law in many areas. It is an unfortunate situation and I wish the Mexicans the best in overcoming it, but it is reality.

I don't mind having a trade agreement with Canada, another developed country with similar rules and regulations. In fact, prior to NAFTA, the U.S. had a trade agreement with Canada that involved a good deal of free trade, more like the original EU made of countries with more or less the same level of development.

Mexico is not a developed country, and I do not think that we should have the same trade agreement with them as we do with Canada. The EU does not have trade agreements with extremely low wage North Africa and it does not look like it will with Turkey, either. The Europeans do not want their jobs to go to low-wage countries that do not have similar regulations on health, safety, etc., that make their way of life as pleasant as it is. Already some citizens of original EU members are complaining about cheap labor from Eastern Europe.

NAFTA is a corporatist race to the bottom of wage scale. Corporations are looking to exploit workers in all three countries. Do you think that NAFTA has raised living standards and decreased corruption in Mexico?

If you see only racism here, you've been understandably blinded by non-stop corporatist propaganda. Open your eyes and see those assholes for who they are. John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich sure do. Do you think that they're racists, too?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. Heh.
"If you see only racism here, you've been understandably blinded by non-stop corporatist propaganda."

The contradiction can be explained by "them mexicans is corrupt" but it's not racism? Right.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Holy crap!
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 07:32 PM by Kajsa
What in the hell do you think they are fighting in Mexico?!?

From Vincente Fox ( and probably before him) to Calderon,
they are fighting corruption prevalent in Mexico.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. What ever it is...
It's got nothing to do with your everyday Average Jose who just wants to drive a truck for a living.

Enough with the stereotypes, please.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Stereotypes?!?
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 07:36 PM by Kajsa
The Mexican Presidents are fighting stereotypes?!?

They aren't fighting corruption?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. No, you misunderstand.
The idea that mexicans are dangerous and corrupt is a stereotype. A racist one.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. No, I understood you completely.

You didn't answer my question.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. I answered your question before you rewrote it.
What Fox and others are fighting is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. Wrong!

They are fighting corruption.
That is not irrelevant to the topic at hand.

You're just trying to avoid addressing it and
no, you didn't answer my question that I edited
way before your reply.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #35
41. Every evil in the world is blamed on racism by bornagain.
You simply cannot have a rational discussion with this person. It makes no difference how many jobs are lost, how many people get killed, or how rich the Bush Crime Family becomes. You WILL notice, this person NEVER mentions all the African-Americans who have lost their jobs due to cheap foreign labor. I personally know several in that category. That should tell you the racism charge is just bogus. The racism claim is a nice, slick way to support the race to the bottom.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. Thank you, Elwood!
I was noticing that.

The " everything is about race" mentality leaves no room
for anything else.

Thanks- ;-)

:hi:
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. Trent Lott and other repukes threw out the racism claim during the NAFTA debate.
Here we have the Strom Thurman worshipers calling Democrats racists for not supporting NAFTA. There are a few repukes on this board masquerading as liberals. You can spot them easily because they ALWAYS support any outsourcing or fake free trade deal. And, they sometimes bring out the racism charge.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. You got that right.

"There are a few repukes on this board masquerading as liberals."

And they are in it for the long haul, many have a large post count.


Democrats, my ass!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. Strom Thurmond?
Man, he'd have railed against Mexican truck drivers. He was certainly no friend to the black labor movement.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. Feel free to provide an answer to my original question.
An argument that stands up to scrutiny, anyway.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #48
77. Feel free to answer my question

regarding what the Mexican Presidents have been fighting for decades.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #77
98. Ask a relevant question.
Kajsa, the President of the United States is a mentally retarded war criminal, yet I've got no intention to ban American drivers from driving within the borders of the United States because of it.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:36 PM
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39. Some countries are more corrupt than others.
Mexico has been high in the rankings for ages. This is an unfortunate reality for its citizens.

People really study this stuff. Google is your friend.

The correct usage in your last sentence is "those Mexicans are corrupt." I disagree with your sentiment, however. The Mexican government is corrupt and its police force is even more corrupt.

I know a classist asshole when I read his or her writing. But then, corporate apologists know all about classism and class warfare.

I will not reply to any additional messages from you.



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #39
49. That's true.
And I really don't think Americans should be complaining about corruption in other countries.

"The Mexican government is corrupt and its police force is even more corrupt."

What's that got to do with Mexican drivers operating in the U.S.?

"I know a classist asshole when I read his or her writing. "

So do I. And your venom is aimed at the very poor working class. Not to mention mexicans.

"I will not reply to any additional messages from you."

I don't think you ever really replied in the first place.


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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #29
76. Do you think the drivers that accepted the loads before were all Teamsters?
Fuck that- this is about the loss of UNION jobs. What do you suppose happens to the people who USED to accept the deliveries from Mexico and transport goods?


Is it your contention that all the cross border freight is currently moved in the US by Union Drivers?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:46 AM
Response to Reply #76
86. That is the wonderful thing about UNIONS, I doubt very much
or if any of the cross border freight was being moved by Teamsters. But! that didn't stop the union for standing up for all truckers, did it? There is some nasty talk out there on the CB amongst truckers and when the war begins, you can count on the Teamsters holding up their end!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #25
40. Oh get the fuck out! It is not! NOT. Racism.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Amen, Lonestarnot!

I get soo fucking sick of the race card being
pulled out when it has NOTHING to do with it!


;(
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Oh, get a clue, yes it is!
Saying fuck doesn't change that!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Right!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20070906-1228-bn06trucks2.html

I noticed those two Teamsters in the green jackets--
and the others holding pickets.

Racist, huh?
:sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. Yes
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 08:00 PM by ProSense
because the Teamsters protesting on union-related issues has nothing to do with protecting against invasion, immigration and new world orders. This is conflating a bunch of unrelated issue to target Mexicans. Are all Mexicans truck drivers?

That is the problem.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #51
63. HELLO!
We are talking about union-related issues here!


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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. Read the OP.
It goes on at length about invasion, immigration and new world orders.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #65
75. Please read this.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. Hello!
Did you read this part of the OP:

Never mind that a FBI intelligence report of the Joint Terrorism Task Force reported that an illegal human-smuggling ring has been bringing Iraqis across the border illegally for more than a year after reckoning that it was more lucrative (at $20K-$25K a pop) to smuggle Iraqis than Mexicans.

And, let's not take into account experiences and warnings the Congressional Research Service documented, or the actions Congress took:


* On March 23, 2005, George Bush hosted meetings in Texas with President Fox and Prime Minister Martin, in which the leaders established the trilateral “Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America.” The SPP will seek to advance the common security and the common prosperity of the countries through expanded cooperation and harmonization of policies.

* According to the Department of Homeland Security, from FY2001 to FY2005, there were 144 border incursions by the Mexican military. Dialogue with the Mexican military has reduced the frequency of such incursions by half. (Never mind that we're "dialoguing" with bordering military invaders but can't do that with Middle Eastern nations with disparate political views, whom we would rather provoke). A recent Mexican military border incursion netted US law enforcement 1,400 pounds of pot, later disavowed by the Mexican government as "drug traffickers, not Mexican military. (OK, pare that back to 143 border incursions, for the sake of "diplomacy"...)

* On January 26, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced the discovery of a tunnel from Tijuana to a warehouse in San Diego. Mexican officials seized 2 tons of marijuana, and U.S. officials seized 200 pounds of marijuana. The 2,400-foot long tunnel is the longest tunnel ever found at the the U.S.-Mexican border.

* In testimony before the Investigations Subcommittee of the House Committee on Homeland Security on February 7, Border Patrol Chief David Aguilar indicated that assaults against border patrol agents are increasing. In FY2005, 778 border patrol agents were assaulted, and 192 have been assaulted in FY2006. This is a significant increase from FY2004, when 374 border patrol agents were assaulted.

* National Intelligence Director John Negroponte named Mexico in his Annual Threat Assessment for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as a country of concern regarding the capacity of drug trafficking organizations to undermine already weak state authority.

* On December 16, 2005, the House passed H.R. 4437 (Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005) that would, among other things, strengthen border security, compel employers to use a pilot system to check for employment eligibility, mandate retention of illegal immigrants, make it a crime to be in the United States illegally or to assist illegal aliens, and require the deployment of a fence and surveillance equipment along the Mexico-U.S. border.

* On May 12, 2005, (Former) President Fox stated that his government would protest the recently passed immigration measures in the FY2005 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, saying that “it is useless to pursue walls, barriers, and the use of force and violence.”



And the current Mexican president, Felipe Calderon, recently reinforced that assertion, saying that would continue to "energetically protest unilateral actions" of the U.S. Congress on the immigration front that "exacerbate the persecution of undocumented Mexicans in the U.S." He boasted that Mexican consulates in the United States have been fortified to protect the rights of millions of Mexicans living there illegally.

"Wherever there is a Mexican," he said, "that is Mexico."

It's not about a Bush-supported invasion of our national sovereignty to ingratiate him to his corporate masters in contravention of our national Constitution, though, or as his father, Bush, Sr. asserted, "the opportunity to forge for ourselves and for future generations a new world order," it's about "free trade," right?


What the hell does that have to do with trucking and unions?

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #66
74. It also included this.
Teamsters argued that the program failed to create a program that yields statistically valid findings and to reveal the inspection results for motor carriers allowed to drive beyond the border zone.

Reacting to the decision, Teamsters General President James P. Hoffa stated: “Congress has repeatedly and overwhelmingly set stringent safety conditions for the cross-border trucking program to meet before our borders are thrown open,” Hoffa said. “The Transportation Department inspector general’s report released Aug. 21 made it clear that those conditions have not been met. The Bush administration’s reckless endangerment of the American people is matched only by its brazen disregard for the law of the land....This is the wrong decision for American working men and women. We will now proceed to litigate this case on the merits. We believe this program clearly breaks the law. We will continue to fight for safety and national security in the courts and in Congress."

Under the current briefing schedule, the Teamster brief is due on November 19 and government's response is due on December 17.


--and this

In May, the House of Representatives voted 411-3 to delay the pilot program, requiring a series of safeguards including an independent panel for program evaluation, and US DOT certification that safety and inspection requirements have been met, including English-proficiency and alcohol and drug testing. The Border-Trade Alliance supported the program and safeguards.

The Senate is scheduled to begin debate on the FY2008 Transportation Appropriations bill next week. This week, Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association (OOIDA) issued a national action alert urging its members to contact their senators and ask them to include a provision to cut off funding to the Mexican truck pilot program, similar to the already amended House version.

Some critics oppose the program because they say that it fails to comply with congressional mandates for operator, equipment and safety requirements. Others fear that the Mexican trucks will disperse illegal immigrants and drugs throughout the nation. Still others oppose it as a labor-cost lowering device by international corporations.

All of which is a more than a bit reminiscent of the unconstitutional techniques successfully employed by the Bush administration in Rovian-contrived black-box voting: obliterate standards and undermine quantitative measurement.

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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #66
79. Did you read any part of the Teamster article?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20070906-1228-bn06trucks2.html

“We've got too much research and documentation that these people are not drug-tested. These trucks aren't being inspected like you and I are when we come across here. It's simple to put anything on these trucks.


The nerve of those "racist" Teamsters!

:sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. What does that have to do with
protecting against invasion, immigration and new world orders?

This is getting silly!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. Yes it is!

n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #43
57. I am not a fucking racist you ... you... silly person.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. I didn't say you were racist! n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #60
67. Alrightie then.
Peace. But I'm no pacifist.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:04 PM
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. I am not in favor of "rolling Mexican trucks across America," that are so fucked up they tear up the
roads my goddamned tax dollars paid for! I am not in favor of the pollution they will bring with them. Check pollution in Mexico City lately? I am not in favor of giving away one more fucking job! Eat some crap and admit you're wrong.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. Yeah, yeah.
If you want to care about the environment, or the labor movement, or safety that's fine, but don't dress it up in a Nazi uniform and expect me to buy it.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. A Nazi uniform. LOL A Nazi uniform. Just what in the fuck are you talking about?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. The anti-mexican rhetoric. OP and elsewhere.
"The Mexicans are invading the country." "The Mexicans are going to abuse our women." "The Mexicans are going to sell drugs out of the back of their trucks." "The Mexicans are going to spread leprosy."

Same shit, different scapegoat.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #64
70. Oh now I haven't said one word like that, so why are you after me with it?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. I only asked you if you'd read the OP.
It's right there in the OP.

Sheesh.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. LOL
:toast:
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #64
84. Nope, they won't. That's not the problem. The problem is
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 10:35 PM by brensgrrl
that safety standards simply DO NOT EXIST in Mexico. Did you know that Mexican truckers ARE NOT REQUIRED to be able to at least
read and speak English? How many highway signs are there here that are bilingual? I don't see many. A question has arisen about the lack of insurance and the Mexican trucking industry. How would you like to be involved in an accident with an uninsured 20,000 pound truck and trailer whose driver speaks no English? Sure, the police would arrive and provide an interpreter, but after that, what? Who would you call? How would you deal with the Mexican company or the Mexican government? What about suing for property damage, pain and suffering, loss of life?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/6/164446/8918

Mexican drivers do not have to pass drug screens. Furthermore, it appears that Mexican truckers will not be ticketed for violations (and if they are, those tickets will go disregarded). Mexican trucking companies don't have to provide workers' compensation or meet any other labor standards. Clearly, the Mexican truckers will not be held to the same standards as US drivers are. They will be able to violate laws with impunity with NO consequence. The current Mexican president has vowed to defend them against what he considers "persecution", and he has given the embassies here their orders accordingly. I am predicting carnage on the roads. Just wait until some of the brakes on those Mexican trucks fail and take out van loads of vacationing families. Get ready, people. It's gonna happen.

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=local&id=5626484

Finally, what's to stop unscrupulous US shippers from using rogue Mexican trucking outfits instead of US drivers? Nothing. Since there are no labor laws that apply, I am predicting that Wal-Mart will be the first horse out of the starting gate on this one. I have even heard that longshoremen could lose their jobs also because Mexican ports will be used for entry of goods instead of US ports. Why be inconvenienced by all of that nasty inspection at a US port, and all of those workers insisting on having lunch breaks or wanting to be paid overtime when you can ship to Mexico, work people mercilessly 24/7 and truck it right over with little or no questions asked! All in the name of CHEAP transport of goods. And don't hold your breath for the consumer "discounts." If you believe that goods will be less expensive, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that you might want to consider mortgaging.

The bottom line, people, is that thousands of more US jobs will be lost. As if we can actually afford to lose any more jobs.

It's not a matter of racism, people. The United States is losing its place as a sovereign nation. We are hemorraging JOBS! Our economy is circling the porcelain pee-hole! We no longer control trade here and we have no control over the integrity of our borders. It's a free-for-all, completely out of control, with American citizens losing their place in their own nation.

But, from some of the comments I see here, I guess that's okay with some of you. I wonder if it will be okay when YOU get the pink slip?

Maybe so. Maybe you agree with the Mexican president when he said, "Wherever there is a Mexican, that is Mexico."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/02/AR2007090200652.html?hpid=topnews

I guess we are now Mexico.

I find it ironic that the nation's highways will now be "Mexico," but Americans will still be paying the highway taxes on them.

Buenas noches, amigos.


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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #84
85. You shouldn't post facts.
The "racism" crowd will dig through your post and eventually find a word that PROVES you are A RACIST!!!!!

:toast:
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #85
88. what facts?
I suggest you go read the relevant laws, and find out that the posted facts are incorrect.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #58
68. Bornagin supports Bush's fight against racism.
Didn't you know? It's not about Bush's corporate buddies making millions off cheap foreign workers, it's about Bush eliminating racism.

:sarcasm:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Well now that's a particularly lame strawman.
I think the workers of the world should unite, Woody, not workers of country A uniting against the workers of country B.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. Jobs are not the only fucking factor here, but are a little further down on my list.
Corporate America is after their fair share of exploitation for sure. Environment and safety are my concerns.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:40 PM
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26. Take a look at this crock of ____- Liars!!
http://www.spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

Myth: The U.S. Government, working though the SPP, has a secret plan to build a "NAFTA Super Highway."

Fact: The U.S. government is not planning a NAFTA Super Highway. The U.S. government does not have the authority to designate any highway as a NAFTA Super Highway, nor has it sought such authority, nor is it planning to seek such authority. There are private and state level interests planning highway projects which they themselves describe as "NAFTA Corridors," but these are not Federally-driven initiatives, and they are not a part of the SPP.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:43 PM
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28. Bad Damn Idea.
SPECIAL REPORT: Truckers, Reps urge Senate to stop pilot program

Thursday, Sept. 6, 2007 – The Owner-Operator Independent Drivers Association will stand alongside members of the U.S. House of Representatives today to ask the U.S. Senate to take immediate action against the Mexican trucking pilot program.

U.S. Reps. Nancy Boyda, D-KS, Peter DeFazio, D-OR, and James Oberstar, D-MN, will urge the Senate to act immediately to stop the implementation of the program.

The event is scheduled for noon today on Capitol Hill.

OOIDA Executive Vice President Todd Spencer will represent professional truck drivers.

As lawmakers returned to work this week in Washington, DC, following their annual August break, one of the first issues Senators face is likely to involve funding of the Mexican cross-border trucking pilot program. On Wednesday, Sept. 5, Sen. Harry Reid, D-NV, Majority Leader of the U.S. Senate, announced that the Senate will begin debate on the FY2008 Transportation Appropriations bill next week.

Earlier this summer, the U.S. House of Representatives addressed the pilot program. In May, the House voted overwhelmingly, 411-3, to approve the Safe American Roads Act of 2007, legislation which would place restrictions on the pilot program and establish a process to analyze the impact of the pilot program.

The House version of the transportation appropriations bill contained an amendment offered by Reps. Duncan Hunter, R-CA, Gary Miller, R-CA, along with Boyda and DeFazio, that would cut off funding for the Mexican truck pilot program. The House version was approved in July.

This week, OOIDA issued a national action alert urging its members to contact their senators and ask them to include a similar provision in the Senate version of the FY2008 Transportation Appropriations bill to cut off funding to the Mexican truck pilot program.


http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_Reports/2007/Sep07/090607_Truckers_urge_senate.htm



Holding the Line: The NAFTA Trucker

There is a plan no one talks about very much, one that floats over the horizon like an approaching storm at sea. In this business dream, the Pacific ports of the United States will be shifted south to new massive anchorages in Mexico even though this increases the shipping distance by 30 percent for all the Asian tonnage. These new ports will be linked by major train and truck arteries -- NAFTA Corridors -- to the cities of the United States and Canada. Mexican trucking companies will be bought (and are being bought up now) by American firms and Mexican truckers will deliver the freight and freely drive all U.S. highways. In this plan, the shipping of the United States leaves union ports and the long haul trucking leaves union drivers.

An enlarged I-35 will reach north from the sister cities of Laredo/Nuevo Laredo 1,600 miles to Canada via San Antonio, Austin, Dallas/Ft. Worth, Kansas City, the Twin Cities and Duluth and I-69 will originate at the same crossing and streak north to Michigan. Each corridor will be about 1,200 feet wide. Six lanes will be dedicated to cars, four to trucks and in the middle will be rail and utilities. The goods will come from new Mexican ports on the Pacific coast. At the moment, at least five such corridors are on the drawing boards.

This is the story of some of the drivers who will be used by this plan. They know nothing of this scheme. They are too busy simply surviving to study such matters.

Professional Secrets

The five men sit at the truck stop table about 20 kilometers below the Rio Grande at Laredo-Nuevo Laredo on the Texas border. They, or their sons or grandsons, may someday be shock troops on the NAFTA Corridors. Just a few hundred yards from where the men eat and smoke, the major highway coming from the Mexican south forks. One road leads into Nuevo Laredo, the other arcs west and connects just west of the city with a trucking center on the U.S. side by means of the World Trade Bridge. This new bridge and dedicated truck highway is an early link in this NAFTA Corridor. At the moment, 5,800 trucks enter and leave this border crossing each day, a trickle compared to the traffic that will pour north once the new ports, rails and roads come on line by 2025.

Their small lunch is finished, an empty liter of beer stands before one driver, and at the moment, they smoke and laugh and talk. For a Mexican trucker, life is an endless highway and the moments for conversation and fellowship can be few and far between.

They don't want their names used because they don't want trouble and life on the roads of Mexico is trouble enough.

"The longest distance I drive," said a driver about 30 in a black T-shirt, "is from Ensenada to Cancun, 4,500 kilometers. Five days and six nights alone. Tomatoes. The company won't pay for a second driver."

Ah, but how can a man stay awake and drive for five straight days?

http://www.teamster.org/resources/members/TeamsterMagazine/06August/nafta.htm
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:57 PM
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32. K&R.
:kick:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:34 PM
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38. I think I'm hauling ass to the border this weekend!
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #38
78. Oh, but don't you know, lonestarnot-
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 09:04 PM by Kajsa
you'll encounter all those "racist" Teamsters there!

:sarcasm:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20070906-1228-bn06trucks2.html

;-) :hi:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:06 AM
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90. Si Senor, 15 cents a mile, home every 3 weeks. Just doing the runs
you americans are either too lazy or don't want to do.
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:47 AM
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91. Reading certain posts this is not Rascism!
This about cheap labor for corporations. Its using the Mexicans like slaves and the bad thing about its only contributing to their corrupt government. I see it happen they come over here work live sometime 10 to a trailer work all summer long and send the money back to Mexico. Its wrong do you work all year long or even that matter and 1/2 of the year and send your money to a different country. We need to stand strong on this nothing against the Mexican people they need to feed their family's to. The problem is if they come here for work and not economically fix there own country it will keep happening. Mr Fox (President of Mexico) loves this stuff yeah go to America get a job a keep my fat ass rolling in money. If we stop this their government will need to face the problems and fix their own country. I do feel sorry for these people they have nothing but slaves to our corporations they need to stand up to there own government. And as for us we need to stand up against ours and keep jobs here instead of finding slave labor its wrong and thats whats happening. These corporations don't care about the welfare of their employees just how much profit they will make. If you think paying these people shit for money working them to death to take our jobs for cheap labor is racism you are sadly wrong. As Americans we stop it from happening and start making a stand to the people that hire these guys don't you think if the money was rolling into Mexico Mr President Fox would have to get off his fat ass and do something about it. Enough is enough not only our we losing American jobs we are propping up a bad government.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:52 AM
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93. Thank you , Maggie,

for speaking up for all people.

The Mexican people have been exploited for a long time.
Damn right it's slave labor when you work for $2/hr and live
in a tent!

Then American workers are replaced because they want decent wages!

Yes, it's up to the Mexican government to help their people.
Right now, the number one reason they come here is because
" En Mexico, no trabajo" ( In Mexico, no work)
I know, I've asked.

President Calderon has promised to do something to remedy this.

So far, nothing.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:10 AM
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92. They won't be happy until we look like Mexico
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 07:12 AM by Marrah_G
Where the rich are very rich and everyone else works for pennies.

Then Canada can be the one worrying about boarders as we all head there to find a decent paying job.

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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:01 PM
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96. kick...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:01 PM
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97. Part of the bush agenda (and I'm afraid his democratic allies as well)
is a world based on "free trade" enforced by us using multinational corporations and the WTO (if they co-operate). Though this sounds tin foil hat like, it is not. The plan is to implement the same thing in the middle east in the future through force.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:12 PM
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99. I am so confused...
Mexican worker crossing the border illegally = good, because they are just trying to better their lives by getting a job over here.

Mexican trucker crossing the border legally = bad, because they're stealing our jobs.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:34 PM
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100. A more common sentiment here at DU seems to be:
Mexican worker crossing the border illegally = BAD, because they take American jobs and depress wages.

Mexican truck drivers crossing the border legally = BAD, because they take American jobs and depress wages.

It seems that the common thread here is that a "Mexican ________ crossing the border" is BAD.
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