Urgent Message MUST SEE! from Ray McGovern

[graphixtech]

Brief video clip featuring Ray McGovern.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7P3-4LqlM8

"FIND OUT how much your representatives get from AIPAC,
and EXPOSE that." Former CIA and Co-founder of Veteran
Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, Ray McGovern
states that the "American Gulliver is tied down by Israel...
(videotaped with permission of the KC AFSC organizer)

[pocoloco]

1. Did he mention that Iran is toast?

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[Peregrine Took]

3. Ray Mc is a great person and a great American.

[leftchick]

4. thank you!

excellent. I love Ray!

[graphixtech]

5. Corporate media blackout

Ray mentions the lack of a real media in this country
as a reason for America's alarming situation...


It is a height of corruption example that someone with the
credentials of Ray McGovern needs to take his message
on the road physically and make statements in front
of students. citizens and (little nobody) independent media
activists such as myself.

IMO, we need a change of tone in the media debate.
The situation is untenable and absolutely must come
to an end. Imo, part of the solution lays in calling
for an organized boycott of the all ADVERTISERS of all
media who have failed in their responsibilty to readers!
Losing advertising money is the only factor that media might
give a hoot about. Let the media sink for their complicity.
They neither represent nor serve us.

In reality, these type of pravda media outlets are extremists
and the debate should be framed as such. "Mr. Advertiser, why
do you advertise with an outlet that censors America's most
important issues? Since you choose to financially support this
practice, I will no longer frequent your establishment/product/service."

McGovern seems to have a mission to reach out to young people.
I did a bit of research and in 2006, McGovern had a tour
of colleges across America. Since Ray seems to have a strong,
urgent sense of civic responsibility, a college "tour" may have
been the only effective option available to share these CRITICAL
important mesages, because the "out of the mainstream media"
won't TOUCH his messages.

Later this same day, I was invited to videotape a press interview
with McGovern, a writer for the KC (Rick Montgomery) and a writer
for a Catholic newpaper. The KC Star published an extremely small,
bland paragraph from the entire day's events (rough estimate
that McGovern spoke in front of 500-1000 KC students and citizens).

From the UMKC press interview, here is an excellent brief clip
of McGovern discussing US Isreal/Palestinian policies and
the label 'extremist terrorists' as it relates to populations
with legitimate grievances. McGovern suggests that Isreal needs
to consider alternative solutions rather than killing everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN09cZvUb38

I have lost count of the times I have covered local events with
a KC Star writer or photographer in attendance with zero
mention or photo ever being published. Even the huge March 2003
protests with 3000 people did not warrent a photo. They regularly
misrepresent protest numbers. Talk about extreme media censorship!

I've long been dismayed by the KC Star's extreme lack of coverage-
(censorship) which mainstream radicalized me enough to
become a media activist.
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[superkia]

6. Give up television for our personal freedom? Yeah right!

If we don't do it now the government will eventually completely control it to a point no one will watch anyways, so you are correct on what needs to be done. Hit them in the pocket, its the only thing our government or the corporations care about!

[graphixtech]

7. Righto, superkia. US McGoverns Deserve Platform. Call for ADVERTISER Boycott

These desperate media times
call for desperate media measures....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1755124

[peacetheonlyway]

8. Weekly Ray McGovern Podcast or YOuTube POsting

I"m sick of 'we don't have a good media".

I choose now to spend all my time reading the blogs for the REAL news and think that millions of americans have made a similar choice.

why doesn't someone convince Ray McGovern to do a weekly podcast audio or video or a YouTube posting to enlighten the rest of us.

if I could ask ray any question it would be How soon before armageddon in iran?

his friendships in the CIA must make him privvy to some wonderful timeline information.

I personally saw Ray McGovern defend my friend Gloria in Atlanta which that videotape of his calling out Rumsfeld as a liar was played on all national media. Ray has figured out by speaking truth to power, the media loves to show 'sensationalism" even if that is Rumsfeld caught lying on video.

bottom line, we have to take back our own media. who can reach ray and ask him to do this for us? surely some DU technical geeks can help him accomplish this task?

[graphixtech]

10. Reality of US society calls for broader solution

Advertisers who choose to financially support the corporate
media need to be held to account. Corporate media will cease
to exist without their funding.

Alternative media is part of the solution, but huge segments
of our population do not have the resources or ability to
get news from the internet. Additionally, a weekly program
by Ray McGovern would solve the issue of McGovern's coverage
but would do nothing to solve the larger crisis of censorship
of our most critical issues.

[rateyes]

9. Great video. I learned something...

Israel is NOT our ally. We are NOT obligated to defend Israel against attack. In fact, the US offered an alliance with Israel, but they rejected it because they did not want to leave the occupied territories.

Ray McGovern is not an anti-semite, and neither am I. However, criticizing Israel and anti-semitism are two different things.

Glad I got to post this before the inevitable lock.

IBTL

[seemslikeadream]

11. criticizing Israel and anti-semitism are two different things.

yes they are

[rateyes]

12. Thanks for that. Some don't seem to realize it.

:hi:

[cali]

13. absolutely

they are two different things, but sometimes they blur. And the link in the second post, to zionismexplained, is a perfect example of when anti-zionism becomes anti-semitism.

[rateyes]

14. I didn't go to that link, and don't plan to...

I am not, however, a fan of Zionism.

I want Israel out of the occupied territories. I want to see the Golan Heights in the hands of Syria. I want the Palestinians to have East Jerusalem as their capital city. I want Palestinian families to have the right to be reunited. And, I want peace for both Israel and Israel's neighbors.

I want the violence perpetrated by people on both sides to end.

And, IMO, I believe that taking an "Israel can do no wrong, and the Palestinians can do no right" attitude, which the Bush administration seems to take, exacerbates, rather than helps solve the problem.

[cali]

15. I completely agree that the Bush administration

position and the position of most of the members of Congress, which favors Israel so strongly, is dangerous and wrong.

I agree with you about everything, but Zionism, as I understand it, at its most basic, is simply support for Israel's existence.

Unfortunately, raving anti-semites often use "zionist" instead of "jew".

[rateyes]

16. I hear you...

but, as I understand it, most Jewish folk are not "political" Zionists. IMO, the rabid political Zionists are as bad as the raving anti-semites.

[chill_wind]

17. Accidental duplicate post (self-delete)

[leftchick]

20. I am SHOCKED at who is NUMBER 1!

:sarcasm:


1 Clinton, Hillary Rodham (D-NY) Senate $83,818

It is certainly reflected in her war hawk foreign policy agenda.

[bahrbearian]

22. I wouldn't be suprised to see Lieberman as her running mate.

[leftchick]

25. or Ben Nelson

:eyes:

[chill_wind]

23. heh. And that was of '06,

I haven't looked to see what the big '08 push has brought since, along with the big defense/mil contractors, but if it is to be found anywhere, opensecrets will have the data on everyone, big and small, replete with charts and graphs.

One of my next projects there ought to be to hunt down what some of the bigger Telcommunications lobbies have given to Congress. Who's been getting what from them. Think in terms of the upcoming unfinished business with the FISA Fix/Mess........ see how money and the votes align...

[leftchick]

24. that is a good project

following the money to these corporatists is a filthy business. I feel like I need a shower every time I hear one speak.

[chill_wind]

18. The just plain facts and numbers: Opensecrets.org

Who gives. Who gets. Money data on ALL the special interests and lobbies. Every voting citizen should have this site http://www.opensecrets.org in their permanent bookmarks.

2006 cycle:
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.asp?Ind=Q05&cycle=2006

DU: Pro_Israel Monies Top 20 Recipients
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/chill_wind/22

[Jacobin]

19. What surprises me is how relatively cheap our congresswhores are

I mean, for a few tens of millions of dollars strategically spent on congresscritters, you can actually purchase the U.S. government and have it send hundreds of billions of dollars and its military personnel to go do your bidding.


Ain't it grand?

[cali]

21. Could be that this isn't entirely about

Congress Critters being bought, but about other factors as well.

[Jacobin]

27. Certainly. Interests converge

[graphixtech]

26. ".. Iraq was the first resource war of 21st century" McGovern

"unless we sit down with the Chinese and others... more wars."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_d9_WG_pYk