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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:13 PM
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Update: The Broken Arrow story (Nukes over Amerika)
This is an update to the Original Post (67 Du'ers can't be wrong) (much...)

I want to be sure everyone understands that there was an error in the original post, a misinterpretation of the data that happened between looking at the original PDF, the clipped text and the DU post. I apologize...

In the OP I claim there are only 38 AGM-129s in inventory. That was wrong. The original document listed 38 missiles total at the bottom of the page. That total was ONLY the number of missles to be UPGRADED in fiscal year 2008. The ACTUAL total of AGM-129s in the USAF inventory is 394. 460 units were built by Raytheon. The number 394 accounts for the airframes, or 'actual missiles' not warheads.


I know some of this is confusing, but I'm working hard to sort out all the FACTS.

Here's a link to the original thread (remember, there are 394 of these weapons, NOT 38):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1748011
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:15 PM
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1. Thanks for keeping at it, Rick! nm
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:20 PM
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3. I'm tryin', my brother!
I've really sort of attached myself to this story, and I've been ALL over the Internets! Amazing! Why do nations need spies? They need boolean researchers!!!

Thanks for the props! It's really an interesting story.

The Pentagon seems to have a cute trick. Bundling all the cruise missiles under one generic name. But the AGM-129 is NOT a plain vanilla cruise missile. Right?
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:50 AM
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31. K & R - NPR going to talk about this this morning
"On Point" weekly news roundup


:dem:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:19 PM
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2. Thanks for the correction....
The issues surrounding the correction are virtually unchanged.

But, thank you for doing what the MSM does not... Making a strong correction of factual inaccuracies.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:22 PM
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4. Yes, the numbers don't change the 'unusual' nature of the story.
The first rule of nukes at the pentagon is, you don't talk about nukes at the pentagon!
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:24 PM
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5. This incident doesn't rise to the level of a "Pinnacle / Broken Arrow" situation.
The requirements for all Pinnacle situations are as follows:

Generates a higher level of military action.
Causes a national reaction.
Affects international relationships.
Causes immediate widespread coverage in news media.
Is clearly against the national interest.
Affects current national policy.

A "Broken Arrow" is defined as one or more of the following:

Nuclear detonation.
Non-nuclear detonation or burning of a nuclear weapon.
Radioactive contamination.
Jettisoning of a nuclear weapon or nuclear component.<3>
Public hazard, actual or implied.

Hence, this incident doesn't measure up. You might call it a "Bent Spear," but I doubt it even rates that high.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:31 PM
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6. uh....OK
I guess I missed something, but you are 'all over it'.

I don't get where you are coming from....... uh, we had ??? nukes flown over ??? US airspace for ???? reasons heading to ??? final destination. The only way WE know about this is ???? in the military was concerned and leaked the info.



?????


Let the ??? do the walkin'.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:21 PM
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11. Sigh.
"I don't get where you are coming from....... uh, we had ??? nukes"

The word you're looking for is "six."

"flown over ??? US airspace"

I don't even know what you're trying to say with this.

"for ???? reasons"

Because they weren't removed from the airplane.

"heading to ??? final destination."

They were supposed to be heading for Minot. They ended up at Barksdale AFB.

"The only way WE know about this is ???? in the military was concerned and leaked the info."

Uh, no, you know about it because the Military Times reported it. This was a public thing, the kind that there are all sorts of reports and hearings about.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:35 PM
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13. You claimed this earlier, Wraith, but the FACTS prove otherwise
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 10:38 PM by Rick Myers
The Military Times has specifically stated that THE WEAPONS WERE LOADED AT MINOT. Which is why the squadron commander has been relieved of duty AT MINOT.

Please link to where you find info that indicates the flight (and weapons) originated elsewhere...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:12 AM
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27. Perhaps the Military Times simply got the initial details wrong in a rush to break the story.
It happens. Or maybe somebody else got the details wrong, and the information I read was faulty. That's possible too, though I doubt it. Either way, obviously the Munitions squadron commander at Minot would be relieved--he was the one who was supposed to be responsible for handling these weapons, whether you believe they originated there or that they were supposed to be removed there.

As for the origin of the warheads, I can't find the exact article which said that the missiles were being transshipped, but here's a statement from the military on it:

"There was an error which occurred during a regularly scheduled transfer of weapons between two bases," Lt. Col. Ed Thomas said. "The weapons were safe and remained in Air Force control and custody at all times."

(Just to head off any speculation, he clearly refers to the nuclear warheads as "weapons" in saying that they were safe and under control; he does not create any distinction in his statement between the nuclear weapons and the weapons that were being moved, strongly implying he was talking about the nukes being transferred between bases.)

http://www.ktbs.com/news/Congress-wants-answers-about-B-52-flying-nuclear-missiles-over-U.S.-3824
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:17 AM
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29. I'd appreciate you providing some evidence for your OLD claims before I consider your new ones.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 02:30 AM by dicksteele
You made some posts in the last thread that were
contradictory to the basic facts that everyone else
is relying upon re: consideration of this incident.

You never offered any explanation or source for your
intriguing declarations. You need to do that before
you can expect your original claims to receive serious
consideration, let alone your new ones.

As we say here at DU: "You got a LINK for that?"
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:39 PM
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14. WOW .... YOU KNOW ME! I always 'Sigh' at those I determine to be........
The rest of your post is .....sigh..... embarrassing.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:33 PM
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7. From your post
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 09:56 PM by Rick Myers
"Public hazard, actual or implied."

If this is NOT implied public hazard, what is?

Additionally: A broken arrow is an accidental event that involves nuclear weapons or nuclear components but does not create the risk of nuclear war.

I'm am NOT implying it was deliberate or an accident. I am saying it is an extremely odd story, since the Pentagon NEVER discusses such events. Someone OUTED this story.


BTW: The term 'pinnacle' has not been used for many years.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:01 PM
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8. I wanted to respond with the same argument but just didn't have
the energy. I so grateful that you do. This story has me more confused than I've been in a long time.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:28 PM
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12. They've stopped using "Pinnacle?" I hadn't heard.
"If this is NOT implied public hazard, what is?"

The idea of the weapons being lost, destroyed, or detonated, none of which were ever a possibility.

"Additionally: A broken arrow is an accidental event that involves nuclear weapons or nuclear components but does not create the risk of nuclear war."

Yes, but "Broken Arrow" is used to refer to a serious event. This wasn't close to that level. They're talking the accidental destruction of warheads, jettisoning weapons, even accidental or unauthorized nuclear detonation. This event isn't that serious.

"I am saying it is an extremely odd story, since the Pentagon NEVER discusses such events. Someone OUTED this story."

Of course they discuss such events. That's why they issued this:

http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/html/523016.htm

Which is public affairs guidance for discussing and explaining any possible nuclear-related incidents.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:42 PM
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15. You are sounding like the ' PINNACLE' of enablement about now.
explain why I am incorrect.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:48 AM
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23. You mean why you're incorrect in your strawman attack?
Rules of personal insult in debate have already done that.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:52 PM
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18. They were MOST CERTAINLY LOST for at least 3.5 hours!!!
The were OUTSIDE anyones control if they were on the aircraft without the crews knowledge. Also, if a nuclear weapon system is being transported for any reason other than combat deployment, they are REQUIRED to have a DOE approved courier aboard.

BTW: When are you going give us a link to the story explaining your claim that the weapons were loaded elsewhere.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:50 AM
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24. There are about eight hundred links to the story floating around DU.
Look through them until you find one which talks about why the nukes were being moved in the first place.

As for being lost, yes, they spent several hours unaccounted for--no doubt causing a few near coronaries on the ground. But again, a "Broken Arrow" situation is a much higher grade of emergency situation.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:03 PM
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36. No, YOU claim they were on the aircraft prior to it's arrival at Minot
The Military Times (they own this story) says they were LOADED at MINOT. You show ME where anything points to them being on the aircraft as it arrived at Minot. And, if that's the case, then the story is 100 times scarier than originally thought.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:24 PM
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37. Why Are You In Such Denial?
Better check your water supply for too much Fluoride and throw out that Fluoride Toothpaste:

http://befreetech.com/fluoridation.htm

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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:55 PM
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19. Pinnacle has not been used since the early 70s
But wiki probably didn't tell you that... Old political term.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 11:03 PM
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20. Pinnacle of embarrassment for you?
Honestly, I do not know why you keep trying....
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:59 AM
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25. Uh, you're completely wrong there. Pinnacle was still in use at least as of 2006.
You can see the Pinnacle situations being referred to here, circa 2000:

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/ar50-5.pdf

It's also got a helpful example of a low-level "Broken Arrow" type incident, which in this case is a truck transporting a nuclear-tipped Trident missile suffering an engine flash fire, and the vehicle becoming engulfed in flames killing the crew.

And again here, circa 2006:

http://www.dtic.mil/cjcs_directives/cdata/unlimit/3431_01.pdf
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:56 PM
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35. OK, it seems they use the word as a prefix at the command level
I've never heard it used at the operational level, having lived near a nuclear ordanance bunker for several years. 20 years ago the word was used by the Navy. JCS seems to be using it as a prefix, but it is redundant, Anyway, you are simply splitting hairs. Six nuclear warhead were OUT OF ALL SAFETY PROTOCOLS for nearly 4 hours. What ever you want to call it, it was a MAJOR MISTAKE, or they were being moved for reasons unknown.

A} In 2007 an incident like this is so nearly impossible it would have required multiple personnel to make multiple mistakes in concert, and

B) The Pentagon NEVER announces such events. There are incidents going back to the 50's were only bits and pieces of the story are known. SOMEONE leaked this information to the Military Times.

Anyway, thanks for the nit-picking, it's helping me refine the story as it progresses. I have a call in to a former Pentagon HQAF officer, we'll see what he can add at some point.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:15 AM
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28. How about "Empty Quiver"?
Empty Quiver

Pinnacle - Empty Quiver refers to the seizure, theft, or loss of a nuclear weapon or nuclear component

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_nuclear_incident_terminology


They were lost for 3.5 hours, presumebly. The Minot inventory would have had them in a bunker in North Dakota when they weren't, and it would not have been corrected until somebody eyeballed the missile itself and said "Hey,that's not a dummy warhead..."
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:20 AM
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33. a nuclear Gulf of Tonkin
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:02 PM
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9. This incident has my suspicious side
kind of in alarm mode. BTW, thanks for the updates on what has yet to be explained to nearly anyone's satisfaction. The simple fact that nuclear weapons could make their way on to a strategic bomber by accident strains credulity to the breaking point. Whether the government feels the US Citizens are rightfully owed a truthful explanation to this incident is yet to be seen. (Who am I kidding) But this is no small matter in any case. How many DoD security regulations had to be broken, neglected, or overlooked that an atomic bomb or six to be exact, can be misplaced for several hours? This story should be front page on every newspaper in the country right now.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:14 PM
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10. As I explained earlier, I've never seen a nuke 'decommissioned' but...
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 10:23 PM by Rick Myers
I have seen many AIM-7 and AIM-9s retired... The G and C package (guidance and control) is packed in one case. The warhead is packed in another case. And the motor section is racked and flown in a cargo aircraft.

These are only small air to air weapons. Nukes get their own special treatment.

There is NO way they were just shipping an active weapons system on a combat aircraft hardpoint without SPECIFIC orders from WAY ABOVE!!!

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:44 PM
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16. Thank you very much
You're doing a great job sorting through such a muddled, strange story.
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:45 PM
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17. Hey man--glad ya on this
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 10:48 PM by Snazzy
Was just posting in one of yesterday's threads. Not sure how I missed the hoopla being a cspan addict, but circa start of August Bushco got its nose bloodied when we had this (excuse text spew, sorry. And RRW is a very interesting search term):

STATEMENT ON INTRODUCED BILLS AND JOINT RESOLUTIONS

Senate - August 1, 2007



________________________________

By Mrs. FEINSTEIN (for herself, Ms. COLLINS, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. FEINGOLD, and Mr. CASEY):

S. 1914., A bill to require a comprehensive nuclear posture review, and for other purposes; to the Committee on Armed Services.

Mrs. FEINSTEIN. Mr. President, I rise today with Senator Collins, Senator Durbin, Senator Feingold, Senator Kennedy, and Senator Casey to introduce legislation to authorize a comprehensive review of our nuclear weapons policy and posture.

Before we ramp up funding for the Reliable Replacement Warhead program as the administration has requested, we should have a clear, bipartisan consensus on the role nuclear weapons will play in our national security strategy and the impact they will have on our nuclear nonproliferation efforts.

The Nuclear Policy and Posture Review Act of 2007 does three things.

First, it authorizes the President to conduct a nuclear policy review to consider a range of possible roles of nuclear weapons in U.S. security policy. The administration may reach out to outside experts and conduct public hearings to get a wide range of views. The policy review will provide options and recommendations for a nuclear posture review.

This report is due on September 1, 2009.

Second, following the completion of the nuclear policy review, it authorizes the Secretary of Defense to conduct a comprehensive review of the nuclear posture of the U.S. to clarify U.S. nuclear deterrence policy and strategy. This report is due March 1, 2010.

Finally, it zeros out funding for the Reliable Replacement Warhead program until the policy review and posture review reports have been submitted to Congress.

In his testimony on March 29, 2007, before the House Energy & Water Appropriations Subcommittee, former Senator Sam Nunn, Chairman of Nuclear Threat Initiative, noted that:

On the itself, if Congress gives a green light to this program in our current world environment, I believe that this will be: misunderstood by our allies; exploited by our adversaries; complicate our work to prevent the spread and use of nuclear weapons and ..... make resolution of the Iran and North Korea challenges all the more difficult.

I could not agree more.

Indeed, I remain deeply concerned about this administration's nuclear weapons policy.

As a U.S. Senator, I have worked with colleagues in the House and Senate to stop the re-opening of the nuclear door and the development of new nuclear weapons.

Together, we have eliminated funding for the Advanced Concepts Initiative, the Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, and the Modern Pit Facility.

These were consequential victories but the fight is far from over.

For fiscal year 2008, the administration requested $118 million for the Reliable Replacement Warhead program; $88 million in the National Nuclear Security administration's budget and $30 million in the Department of Defense's budget.

These funds would be used for Phase 2A activities: design definition and cost study.

This would represent approximately a four-fold increase over fiscal year 2007 funding of $24.7 million.

The House, however, rejected the administration's request and zeroed out funding for RRW in its fiscal year 2008 Energy and Water Development Appropriations bill. In its report accompanying the legislation, the House cited the lack of a definitive nuclear weapons policy review as a key reason for withholding funding for what will be a costly new nuclear warhead program. It stated:

The lack of any definitive analysis or strategic assessment defining the objectives of a future nuclear stockpile makes it impossible to weigh the relative merits of investing billions of taxpayer dollars in new nuclear weapon production activities when the United States is facing the problem of having too large a stockpile as a Cold War legacy. Currently, there exists no convincing rationale for maintaining the large number of existing Cold War nuclear weapons, much less producing additional warheads, or for the DoD requirements that drive the management of the DOE nuclear weapons complex.

While the Senate bill did not follow suit, it did cut $22 million from the administration's request, for a total of $66 million, and restricted activities to Phase 2A.

I believe we can match the House's action and this bill would do just that.

The administration is clearly getting nervous about the prospects for funding for RRW.

On Wednesday, the Secretaries of Energy, Defense, and State released a 4-page white paper on nuclear weapons strategy: ``National Security and Nuclear Weapons: Maintaining Deterrence in the 21st Century''. It affirmed the importance of maintaining a credible nuclear deterrent and sought to justify funding for the Reliable Replacement Warhead program. Among other things, it stated that the Reliable Replacement Warhead program is critical to sustaining long-term confidence in the nuclear stockpile and will help reduce the stockpile and move us away from nuclear testing; and any delay to the program will force the U.S. to maintain a larger stockpile, invest in costly and risky Life Extension Programs, and increase the likelihood that we will have to resume nuclear testing.

These arguments simply do not stand up to scrutiny.

Indeed the evidence clearly shows that there is no need to rush forward with increased funding for RRW. Let us take a close look at the status of our nuclear weapons arsenal.

Are there currently problems with the safety and reliability of our nuclear arsenal?

No, for each of the past 11 years the Secretary of Energy and Secretary of Defense have certified that the nuclear stockpile is safe and reliable.

Has the Pentagon asked for a new warhead for new missions?

No, there is no new military requirement to replace existing, well-tested warheads.

What about the plutonium pit, the ``trigger'' of a nuclear weapon? In past years, the administration requested funding for a Modern Pit Facility that could build up to 450

pits a year arguing that the pits in our current stockpile were reaching the end of their life-span.

Is our stockpile at risk due to aging pits?

No, a December 2006 report by the National Laboratories showed that plutonium pits have a life-span of at least 85 years, and possibly up to 100 years.

That report validated Congressional action to eliminate funding for the Modern Pit Facility. I am pleased that the administration listened and did not request funding for the facility in fiscal year 2007 and fiscal year 2008.

Are we at risk for resuming nuclear testing?

No, as I have argued our stockpile is safe and secure and will clearly remain so for the foreseeable future.

If the likelihood of resuming nuclear testing is increasing it is due to the fact that the administration has, in past years, requested funding to lower the time to test readiness at the Nevada test site from 24-36 months to 18 months and, above all, refused to support ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, CTBT.

What about costs? I find it interesting that the administration would cite the costs of successful Life Extension Programs as a reason to ramp up funding for the RRW.

Has the administration shared with us what it will cost to replace the warhead on our deployed nuclear arsenal with a new Reliable Replacement Warhead?

The answer is no. The administration has remained silent about when the supposed cost savings from RRW will ultimately kick in.

In fact, the development of a new nuclear warhead will likely add billions of dollars to the American taxpayer's bill at a time when, as noted above, the stockpile is safe and reliable. As the House Energy and Water Appropriations report argued:

Under any realistic future U.S. nuclear defense scenario, the existing legacy stockpile will continue to provide the nation's nuclear deterrent for well over the next two to three decades. The effort by the NNSA to apply urgency to developing a significant production capacity for the RRW while lacking any urgency to rationalize an oversized complex appears to mean simply more costs to the American taxpayer.

Before we move any further with this program which would add a new warhead to the stockpile, we should have a better understanding of the role nuclear weapons will play in our security policy in a post-Cold War and post 9/11 world.

If we as a country are going to move away from massive stockpiles of nuclear weapons and explore more conventional alternatives, does it make sense to add a new warhead to the stockpile?

If we are committed to strengthening the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and stopping the proliferation of nuclear weapons, what impact would a Reliable Replacement Warhead have on those efforts?

If the Stockpile Stewardship Program and the Life Extension Program can certify the safety and the reliability of our existing nuclear stockpile, should we shift resources from RRW to more pressing concerns?

It is common sense to ask these questions and engage in comprehensive review and debate about these options before we make the decision on manufacturing new warheads.

As it stands now, we are addressing this issue backwards and behind closed doors.

That is, we are rushing to develop a new warhead without an understanding of the role it will play in our nuclear weapons policy and national security strategy and without public input that will lead to a bipartisan policy.

Let us be clear: a rushed, four page white paper is simply not sufficient to answer these questions and make decisions about developing new nuclear warheads.

The administration has promised a more detailed report but its haste to put out this paper suggests that it is more intent on rushing the development of the Reliable Replacement Warhead program than in taking a sober, unbiased look at our nuclear weapons policy and posture.

A lack of a substantive debate and review means we are not paying sufficient attention to the potential negative consequences of RRW.

Speeding up the development of a new nuclear warhead may send the wrong message to Iran; North Korea; and other would-be nuclear weapon states and encourage the very proliferation we are trying to prevent.

What to us may appear to be a safer, more reliable weapon could appear to others to be a new weapon with new missions and a violation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

The American Association for the Advancement of Science issued a report last month acknowledging that a Reliable Replacement Warhead ``could lead to a final selected design that is certifiable without a nuclear test.''

Yet, the report also concluded that absent a comprehensive review of nuclear policy and stockpile needs, the purpose and intention of RRW could be widely misinterpreted abroad.

Pointing out that there has been no high level statement about nuclear weapons policy since the 2001 Nuclear Posture Review, it called on the administration to develop a bipartisan policy on the future of nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons policy before moving ahead with RRW. It stated:

In the absence of a clear nuclear posture, many interpretations are possible and the lack of a national understanding and consensus on the role of U.S. nuclear weapons puts any new approach at considerable risk at home and abroad. For example, an RRW plan that emphasizes the goal of sustaining the deterrent without nuclear testing could be perceived quite differently from one that focuses on future flexibility to develop and deploy nuclear weapons for new military mission.

It goes on to state: ..... nuclear weapons are ultimately an instrument of policy and strategy rather than of war fighting, and only with the leadership of the president can there be major changes in that instrument.

Unfortunately we have not seen such leadership from this administration.

Because it pursued the development of low-yield nuclear weapons and a Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, because it sought to lower the time-to-test readiness at the Nevada test site from 24-26 months to 18 months, because it sought to build a Modern Pit Facility that could produce up to 450 pits a year, this administration has lost the credibility to take a fresh and open look at nuclear weapons policy and posture.

Only a new administration, free from the constraints of the heated debates of the past, will have the authority to conduct a comprehensive review of our nuclear weapons policy and posture.

A bipartisan consensus on this policy is essential. It will let the world know exactly where we stand on these important issues and help clear up any confusion about our intentions.

Friend and foe alike will know that regardless of who holds power in Congress or the White House, the role of nuclear weapons in our security strategy will not change.

It will strengthen our efforts to convince other states to forego the development of nuclear weapons and make the world safer from the threat of nuclear war.

I believe that bipartisan policy is beginning to emerge.

In a January 4, 2007 op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, ``A World Free of Nuclear Weapons'', George Schultz, William Perry, Henry Kissinger, and Sam Nunn laid out a compelling vision for a world free of the threat of nuclear war.

They laid a set of common sense steps the U.S. and other nuclear weapon states can take to make this happen including: taking nuclear weapons off high-alert status; substantially reducing the size of nuclear stockpiles; eliminating short-ranged nuclear weapons; ratifying the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty; securing all stocks of weapons, weapons-usable plutonium, and highly enriched uranium around the world; getting control of the uranium enrichment process; stopping production of fissile material for nuclear weapons globally; resolving regional confrontations that encourage the development of nuclear weapons.

They conclude:

Reassertion of the vision of a world free of nuclear weapons and practical measures toward achieving that goal would be, and would be perceived as, a bold initiative consistent with America's moral heritage. The effort could have a profoundly positive impact on the security of future generations. Without that bold vision, the actions will not be perceived as fair or urgent. Without the actions, the vision will not be perceived as realistic or possible.

We should pay close attention to these words.

In conclusion, let me say that there is a big difference between an RRW program that increases the reliability of the existing stockpile and one that leads to a resumption of nuclear testing.

Congress should ask the tough questions to ensure that this is not a back door to new nuclear weapons with new missions and new rounds of testing.

I firmly believe we should zero out for the Reliable Replacement Warhead program until the next administration takes a serious look at our nuclear weapons programs and issues a bipartisan policy on the size of the future stockpile, testing, and nuclear nonproliferation efforts.

I look forward to working with my colleagues and the administration to craft that sensible, bipartisan nuclear weapons policy that will make Americans safe and allow us to reclaim a leadership role in the fight against nuclear proliferation.

I urge my colleagues to support this legislation.

I ask unanimous consent that the text of the bill be printed in the Record.

There being no objection, the text of the bill was ordered to be placed in the Record, as follows:



S. 1914

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Nuclear Policy and Posture Review Act of 2007''.

SEC. 2. REVISED NUCLEAR POLICY REVIEW AND NUCLEAR POSTURE REVIEW.

(a) Nuclear Policy Review.--

(1) IN GENERAL.--The President shall conduct a nuclear policy review to consider a range of options on the role of nuclear weapons in United States security policy. The policy review shall be coordinated by the National Security Advisor and shall include the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Energy, the Secretary of Defense, the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy.

(2) SCOPE OF REVIEW.--The nuclear policy review conducted under paragraph (1) shall--

(A) address the role and value of nuclear weapons in the current global security environment;

(B) set forth short-term and long-term objectives of United States nuclear weapons policy;

(C) consider the contributions of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, done at Washington, London, and Moscow July 1, 1968 (commonly referred to as the ``Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty''), to United States national security, and include recommendations for strengthening the Treaty;

(D) explore the relationship between the nuclear policy of the United States and nonproliferation and arms control objectives and international treaty obligations, including obligations under Article VI of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty;

(E) determine the role and effectiveness of the Treaty Between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms, signed at Moscow July 31, 1991 (commonly referred to as the ``START I Treaty''), and the Treaty Between the United States of America and the Russian Federation on Strategic Offensive Reductions, done at Moscow May 24, 2002 (commonly referred to as the ``Moscow Treaty''), in achieving the national security and nonproliferation goals of the United States and in implementing United States military strategy, and describe the elements of a recommended successor treaty, including verification provisions; and

(F) provide policy guidance and make recommendations for the nuclear posture review to be conducted under subsection (b).

(3) OUTSIDE INPUT.--The policy review shall include contributions from outside experts and, to the extent possible, shall include public meetings to consider a range of views.

(b) Nuclear Posture Review.--

(1) IN GENERAL.--Following completion of the nuclear policy review under subsection (a), the Secretary of Defense shall conduct a comprehensive review of the nuclear posture of the United States to clarify United States nuclear deterrence policy and strategy. The Secretary shall conduct the review in collaboration with the Secretary of Energy, the Secretary of State, the Director of National Intelligence, and the National Security Advisor.

(2) ELEMENTS OF REVIEW.--The nuclear posture review conducted under paragraph (1) shall include the following elements:

(A) The role of nuclear forces in United States military strategy, planning, and programming, including the extent to which conventional forces can assume roles previously assumed by nuclear forces.

(B) The policy requirements and objectives for the United States to maintain a safe, reliable, and credible nuclear deterrence posture, in light of the guidance provided by the nuclear policy review conducted under subsection (a).

(C) The targeting strategy required to implement effectively the guidance provided by the nuclear policy review conducted under subsection (a).

(D) The levels and composition of the nuclear delivery systems that will be required for implementing the United States national and military strategy, including any plans for removing, replacing, or modifying existing systems.

(E) The nuclear weapons complex that will be required for implementing the United States national and military strategy, including any plans to consolidate, modernize, or modify the complex.

(F) The active and inactive nuclear weapons stockpile that will be required for implementing the United States national and military strategy, including any plans for replacing or modifying warheads.

(G) An account of the different nuclear postures considered in the review and the reasoning for the selection of the nuclear posture.

(c) Reports Required.--

(1) NUCLEAR POLICY REVIEW.--Not later than September 1, 2009, the President shall submit to Congress a report on the results of the nuclear policy review conducted under subsection (a).

(2) NUCLEAR POSTURE REVIEW.--Not later than March 1, 2010, the President shall submit to Congress a report on the results of the nuclear posture review conducted under subsection (b).

(3) FORM.--Each report required under this subsection shall be submitted in unclassified form, but may contain a classified annex.

(d) Sense of Congress on Use of Nuclear Posture Review.--It is the sense of Congress that the nuclear policy review conducted under subsection (a) should be used as the basis for establishing future strategic arms control objectives and negotiating positions of the United States.

(e) Restriction on Funding of Reliable Replacement Warhead Program.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no funds may be appropriated or otherwise made available for the Reliable Replacement Warhead Program for fiscal years 2008, 2009, or 2010 until the reports required under subsection (c) have been submitted to Congress.



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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:56 AM
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32. Thank gawd
there are still sensible people left in our gov't when it comes to nukes.

My favorite part:


..... nuclear weapons are ultimately an instrument of policy and strategy rather than of war fighting, and only with the leadership of the president can there be major changes in that instrument.

Unfortunately we have not seen such leadership from this administration.

Because it pursued the development of low-yield nuclear weapons and a Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, because it sought to lower the time-to-test readiness at the Nevada test site from 24-26 months to 18 months, because it sought to build a Modern Pit Facility that could produce up to 450 pits a year, this administration has lost the credibility to take a fresh and open look at nuclear weapons policy and posture.

Only a new administration, free from the constraints of the heated debates of the past, will have the authority to conduct a comprehensive review of our nuclear weapons policy and posture.


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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 11:13 PM
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21. g'nite DU. More tomorrow.
Peace.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 11:14 PM
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22. Night Rick
and thanks
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:07 AM
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26. I notices the discrepency on Wikipedia, but figured it was a typo
Besides, had to wander off to work... :-)
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:50 AM
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30. Kick for the am. This is an important story.
More important than not showing your receipt at Circuit City.

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 02:30 PM
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38. Seems Like A Large Number
of people on D.U. just bypass the really important stuff. :shrug:
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ptvet Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:58 AM
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34. Another morning kick
Had another addition to your thread here Rick. But in my attempting to post while chasing a 2 year old around, I posted it all by itself out there in GD land....not like I left a couple of bound for decommissioning nukes attached to the wing of a B-52 or nothin... or was it 6?

Said lonesome response here! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1755127
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 03:28 PM
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39. Discussion continues here:
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