Not only should Bush NOT be attending the Olympics..

[Virginia Dare]

we should be boycotting this travesty altogether.

How many people have died or will die in preparing for this event? How many people have been or will be rounded up and thrown in the Laogais to prevent any chance of the precious party leaders being embarassed?

We supposedly bombed the hell out of Iraq for lesser human rights violations than China is guilty of, but they are our "allies". You can bet as soon as the Olympic games are over, China will be in Taiwan.

But our dear precious leader wants to be there as a "sports fan", so he must be indulged.

What a crock of crap this is...:grr:

[Benhurst]

1. Let's hope this helps make up for Bush's disappointment at not having

been born in time to sit next to Hitler at the 1936 Olympics.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Great. Another Bush/Nazi reference.

Just what every discussion needs.

[Benhurst]

3. Yeah, how could one possibly equate fascism with a man named

for Hitler's American banker?

[Buzz Clik]

4. It's a little early in the morning for tin foil.

Talk to again at ... say ... when hell freezes over?

[Benhurst]

5. It is an historical fact that George Walker was Hitler's American

banker and Prescott Bush, his son-in-law, had his assets seized at the beginning of World War II for trading with the enemy.

Ignorance does not convert facts into "tin foil," but it does enable the Bush Crime Family.

[Buzz Clik]

6. And none of this has one fucking thing to do with the topic at hand.

[Benhurst]

7. Bush's attending an Olympics put on by a repressive totatitaian state,

given his upbringing, has everything to do with the topic at hand. Why should anyone be surprised the proud descendant of Nazi collaborators would object to the ruthless behavior of his Chinese chums?

[Buzz Clik]

8. Fine. We'll be fortunate if Bush doesn't arrange for another airliner to crash into Olympic Village.

[Benhurst]

9. ...

:applause:

Sarcasm to the rescue.

[tom_paine]

10. What it has to do with is ANOTHER fact of history that you who refuse to see the truth

do not know, and don't want to know, for how much more comofrtable to dsmiss the growing horror of the increasing similarities

(VIPR Teams, Behavior Detection Officers, PATRIOT I-III, MCA, end of habeus corpus, the list goes on and on, especially within the last two years)

So what it comes down to is another haughtily "offended" person that people are comparing Bush to Hitler while at the same time BEING COMPETELY ignorant of the history and events that lead people to say that!

Wow. Some things really don't change, do they? I would suggest you read "I Will Bear Witness: A Diary of the Nazi Years" by Victor Klemperer, paying SPECIAL attention to the years 1933-1937 andthe astonishing numer of similarities of:

http://www.amazon.com/Will-Bear-Witness-1933-1941-Paperbacks/dp/0375753788

(This does not mention the Bush-Hitler connection but it is a wonderful illustration of just how "normal" the years were between 1933-37, even for a Jew, just as in Amerika things have been remarkable "normal" 2001-07...and how swiftly they can change in a tyrannical dictatorship, as nazi Germany was, and as we are rapdily transitioning to today)

1) Nazi rhetoric and Bushie Rhetoric, before Kristallnacht, the Amerikan version of which has not happened and, I hope, will not happen.

2) The fact that Klemperer and his friends read like today's DU, except, I must be truthful here, there were more people who obviously recognized Hitler as Hitler, but I suspect that is because intellectuals haven't changed much from when the Nazis hated them to when the Bushies hate us now.

Intellectuals are the same, it is just that New Hitler has had to, so much more than the original, pretend and fool more people more thoroughly about their intentions. So theregfore, more poeple who should know better, are fooled.

Read up. Read about "Hitler's Angel" and the deep connection of the Imperial Bushies to them. It's true, it's real, it HAPPENED, and clearly you have heard nothing about it.

http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Contents/Contents.html

Beore you sneeringly dismiss something as fantasy, perhaps you might want to READ A BOOK or two about the subject you are sneeringly declaiming upon.

[Buzz Clik]

11. Sorry. Your thread is now totally screwed up.

I disagree that we should boycott the Olympics, but not because Bush is a Nazi. :silly:

[durablend]

12. But we can't boycott the Olympics!

Then China would stop selling us all that unsafe recalled crap, and what would Wal-Mart do?

(and besides the Smiley Face would cry!)

[Buzz Clik]

14. Our trade policy with China and China's poor quality control have nothing to do with the Olympics

Boycotting the Olympics of such matters would be meaningless.

[Virginia Dare]

31. You are mistakenly equating our relationship with Russia..

in 1980 and our relationship with China now. There is absolutely no comparison. There is no comparison between the two cultures and there is no comparison between the two regimes. I disagree with your notion that it would be meaningless. It would be extremely meaningful to the Chinese.

[tom_paine]

13. Jesus, what a foolish oversimplification

Of course Bush is not a Nazi. That would be like trying to resell the Edsel by advertising how great the Edsel was last time it came out.

If you are going to try a re-issue of a New Product that is really an old, discredited product, ANY advertiser or PR person worth their evil salt could tell you that the only way to sell such a thing, saaaay, like a New Form of Totalitarianism, you have to REPACKAGE AND REBRAND.

You don't reissue the Edsel and expect it to succeed IF YOU ADVERTOSE IT AS AN EDSEL.

Sheesh. Looks like you would also benefit from reading some books about modern advertising, propaganda, and PR.

Also subjects you seem to know very little about.

Try this one, for a start, "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard.

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Persuaders-Vance-Packard/dp/0671531492/ref=sr_1_2/002-2120377-8567230?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189174818&sr=1-2

And agin I stress, perhaps you should learn about some things, before "debunking" them.

Although, it works for the Busheis so it is not surprising that such ways of thinking, talking, and arguing have tricked down into the populace.

What a waste of time to learn about something you are dismissing, what liberal intellectual weakness, eh? Just ask O'Leily and Limpballs.

[Buzz Clik]

15. I'm not trying to debunk anything.

I'm trying to convince you and your pal that this stupid tirade -- which is a rehash of shit that's been posted a thousand times before -- has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.

Of course, your obsession owns you, and you will not let it go. (So why the hell am I continuing to to talk to you? :banghead: )

[tom_paine]

18. You shouldn't continue talking to me. Get out and READ A BOOK!

I have suggested several in my previou posts, I believe.

Read them...THEN come back and talk to me.

Oh, that's right, Victor Klemperer was an obseessive who's obsession owned him, whose stupid tirades fill more than a thousand pages with rehashes of the same stupid shit that was said and written a thousand times before.

Poor Klemperer, if only he had realized what an overwrought, overdramatic fool he was in '33-'37.

See that's how it ALWAYS looks to people like you...until 1938, 1939,etc. come along. Oh THEN you are convinced.

Too late.

Go read something, THEN come back and talk about something once you know something about it.

I am also forced to notice that you failed to address your ignorance of the topics I have mentioned, which inidicates to me that there is some level of truth in that assertion of mine, that you are ignorant of the facts about that which you criticize.

Read, learn...THEN talk.

[Buzz Clik]

20. A book on the link between the Bush family and Nazis? Yeah, when hell freezes over.

Why don't you go bowling or biking or get some physical exercise.

[Bluebear]

22. Why are you always. Always. So nasty?

:hi:

[Buzz Clik]

26. .

:hi:

[tom_paine]

28. Why do you think he is?

I can guess that it might involve a $7/hr paycheck and a basement cubicle at Heritage Foundation.

But that would be speculation, only.

[tom_paine]

27. Now THAT's funny. I am a veteran hiker, biker, and outdoors guy

Aren't Straw Men funny?

:rofl:

Yes, I am a thin-armed, thin-chested, asthmatic wuss. Isn't obvious from how I type?

I have hiked rim to river to rim of the Grand Canyon FIVE TIMES, among many hundreds of miles of mountainous hiking in Montana, California, Wyoming, and Idaho, to name a few.

How many times have you hiked river-to-rim in the Grand Canyon, eh? How many solo week-long hikes with a fully loaded frame-pack and tent over 20-30 miles of Continetal Divide or mountainous ridges have YOU done?

I have done a half-dozen solo, and many more in the company of other hiking pals. While I never got into rock climbing (never learned to fully trust the rope nor love ripping up my hands...getting Gobi'd, as they call it) I also scramble-climbed several peaks which, while not requiring crampons or otehr equipment, probably would make most people go home and turn on the football game rather than do it.

Here's a place where we stood after me and my pals scramble-climbed Ross Peak. What a bunch of whey-faced thin-chested liberals we were.



(FULL DISCLOSURE: As an middle-aged bastard all of my hiking photos are 35mm and I have no scanner. However that changes nothing. I WAS THERE, even though this isn't the picture I took, it is the place I and my friends were.)

What you can't see, of course, is the tram that goes up the backside so pasty-faced thin-chested types like me can get to the top.

Every single thing you have said about me or anything else has one thing in common: A tremendous deficiency in actual knowledge about which you speak. What you inferred about me, completely and 100% WRONG.

Maybe you are projecting like the Bushies do all the time. Perhaps YOU should do some 'lifting and strengthen than thin chest of yours and those stick arms of yours.

(MORE FULL DISCLOSURE: That is a joke. I realize the foolishnes of making assertion about the physical nature of people I have never met personally, but that's just crazy, thin-chested, stick-armed ol' tom_paine, who has never set foot in the outdoors a day in my life, right?)

[begin_within]

16. I agree. U.S. should not participate. If U.S. athletes want to participate, they should be

allowed to but not under the flag of the U.S. they should just go as world citizens, under the flag of the U.N. or whatever. China should never have been awarded the Olympics in the first place. The U.S. can and should pull out, just like they pulled out of the 1980 Summer Olympics and the USSR pulled out of the 1984 Summer Olympics.

[Buzz Clik]

17. Not possible. Athletes represent a country or attend as spectators.

The mutual boycotts by the US and USSR did nothing more than disrupt the games. Neither country suffered, and the points being made by the boycotts were ignored.

[Sadie4629]

21. The athletes suffered

and it didn't change a thing. I watched Carter's speech in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. He ordered a boycott of the Olympics and the reinstatement of draft registration, and in that one evening he lost any chance of winning the 1980 election.

[Virginia Dare]

32. Carter lost any chance of re-election when he told the American people..

the truth about peak oil and what it meant for us. He warned us about perpetual warfare in the middle east, and he told us that we would have to radically change our way of life if we had any hope of living in peace. We didn't want to hear that. We wanted to hear Reagan's morning in America feel good, we can have our cake and eat it too rhetoric.

[begin_within]

24. Then how do they explain the "Unified Team" of 1992?

What country were they from? A country that didn't exist any more. What baloney. That is a stupid rule that should be abolished. For teams, obviously they need to have a designation. But for individuals, who cares where they are from?

[Buzz Clik]

25. The unified team was a big exception. It didn't exist 4 years later.

I don't think the International Olympic Committee would be so charitable to athletes from a country boycotting the games.

[KamaAina]

37. Ironically, the counterexample is Taiwan

which isn't recognized by the IOC, or by most other countries, for that matter. Taiwanese athletes do, however, compete internationally, including the Olympics, under the name "Chinese Taipei".

[Sadie4629]

19. Boycotting the Olympics was a bad idea in 1980

and it's a bad idea now.

[Javaman]

23. Let him* go..

perhaps he* needs a nice dose of lung cancer before he* understands global warming.

[Virginia Dare]

33. That takes way too long to develop unfortunately..

he'll likely drink himself to death before then.

[mmonk]

29. No one is our ally.

Read our government documents. No country friendly or foe will be allowed to achieve economic or military power parity with the US (though the EU has reached the economic one but we will work to undermine it).

[Virginia Dare]

30. Thus why I put in "quotes"...n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

34. You forgot that they are subsidizing the government of Sudan

But if we piss off China, they might be more inclined to call in the debt and we certainly don't want that.

[Virginia Dare]

36. Thank you for mentioning that..

they are indeed. They do seem to have us between the proverbial rock and a hard place don't they? :banghead:

[cgrindley]

35. China is a pariah nation for about a zillion excellent reasons

why in god's name are the games being held there? of course it hardly matters. all the athletes are on drugs now anyhow.