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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:32 AM
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More pitbull news
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:39 AM
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1. This should have never happened. Why do people keep such dangerous animals?
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:43 AM
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2. many times they are "dangerous"
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 11:50 AM by CountAllVotes
because of the way they are raised. They also happen to be highly inbred thanks to a certain groups of people that operate places known as PUPPY MILLS which only adds to this problem! :think:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:46 AM
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3. Pitbulls are NOT by themselves dangerous; Pitbull owners can make.......
Pitbulls dangerous.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:49 AM
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4. OK, we then must get rid of pitbull owners
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anniebelle Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:50 AM
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6. Now you're talkin'.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:54 AM
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10. Well.........yeah. Life without parole works for me.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 11:57 AM by Double T
michael vick can be the first 'example'.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:50 AM
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7. It can be a combo
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 11:53 AM by China_cat
Dogs bred for aggression will never be 'safe', even with the best of owners. That goes for all breeds.

Unfortunately, pits are the ones most often bred for their aggression...to make them better fighters. While these dogs are usually friendly to adults, children are seen as rivals or aggressors. Cats, other dogs and other animals are prey to be killed.



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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:57 AM
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11. exactly.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 12:11 PM by Gilligan
certain breeds of dogs are not well suited as family pets.

I do not hate the breed but the fact is, they were bred for many years to be aggressive - this can not be undone completely by raising them in a loving home.

It can be minimized but not eliminated.

edit: I spell like a monkey
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:27 PM
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20. The thing about kids is especially prominent in this story.
Kids and babies make high pitched sounds. They sound like the things the dogs would normally chase, kill and eat. The dog saw the baby as prey and the woman as in his way. The only way she could have saved herself would have been to let the dog have the child...and that was NOT an option.

One breeder in Bouviers bred for aggression for only 4 generations...and got what he was after. Thirty years later, the decent breeders are still trying to mitigate that by using any with those bloodlines to breed with others that are too 'soft'. And we still get the occasional Bouv that has to be put down for being too aggressive.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:28 PM
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21. OTOH, with a few generations to work with they can be counter-bred;
that is, instead of breeding for the most aggressive tendencies, breed for the least aggressive and see to it that the most aggressive do not breed.

When I was a kid, German Shepards were the 'bad' dog, because of their reputation from WW2 as police dogs. A few years later, it was dobermans. Then, later, it was rottweilers. Now, they are 'good' breeds. Pit bulls can be the same if the breeders that are producing them for the dogfight industry are put out of business.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:50 AM
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5. I don't know but I do know that they all aren't bad as I an Roxy our border collie
are setting our son and daughter in laws pit because he got out of their fence and came over to our house for the day. not one mean thing with him, in fact he is the best mannered dog I have ever been around and he loves children. they can pull on him kick him or anything they want to do and he will just lay there and take it with a smile on his face, whereas our border collie doesn't necessarily like kids at all, go figure.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:53 AM
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8. Because like any other dog, if they are properly raised and trained, they aren't dangerous
Any dog will become vicious and deadly if they aren't raised right. Hell, even Pomeranians kill<http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2001/pomeranian.html>

If you raise a pit, or any dog properly, then you have nothing to worry about. The trouble is that too many idiots think that it's macho and manly to have a vicious dog, and pits are the breed that they've currently chosen. Thus we have these sort of attacks. It used to be German Shepards that were the bad boy dogs, then Dobermans, now it's Pits. Yet each and every one of these dogs are actually great breeds. Up until the big, bad pit scare started to take over this country, the AKC actually recommended pits as wonderful family dogs.

It isn't the breed, it is the owner and the training that the dog receives. Please keep that in mind.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:09 PM
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15. It isn't the breed, it is the owner and the training that the dog receives
Thank you! I've seen a 90# Dobie pin a person to a telephone pole (snout in crotch) because his owner told him to hold.Guy almost crapped.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:15 PM
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16. I was raised with German Shepards back in the day when they were the bad boy dogs
My parents' friends and family thought it was crazy, but those two dogs were utterly delightful with children, allowing us to rough house with them, pull on them, etc. with never a nip or complaint.

I've had rescued pit bulls and pit mixes all of my adult life and they too have always been great dogs, love kids etc. It is how you raise them, not the breed.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:53 AM
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9. More poorly contained/poorly trained dog news.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 11:53 AM by flvegan
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:02 PM
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12. and poorly bred
add that to the list too (as you already know flvegan). :(
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:07 PM
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14. Yes, and as long as "pit bulls" ( the generic, not the specific) are the choice of cowards
who are too insecure about their own toughness, we'll continue to hear about such examples. I get very cranky about the abuse of dogs in the name of bravado extension. I remember when the preferred breed was German "police" dogs, then dobies, then rotties, and on and on.

I wonder what breeds will be the next best bad ass dog trend -- maybe packs of Jack Russells. Those little guys are tough buggers.

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Inkyfuzzbottom Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:03 PM
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13. I think the problem is twofold...
They specifically breed for aggression and couple it with bad treatment. The result is an unstable killing machine. I think much of the gene pool for these poor dogs in the United States is bad after generations of breeding for aggression and unstable temperament. It's a shame. I have seen well bred pitbulls that are big silly lovebugs. I hate what people have done to them.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:17 PM
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17. Are you really
Amish?

Are you powering your computer with a bicycle?

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:23 PM
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18. no
Amish don't use computers, english.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:24 PM
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19. I think that's a pit bull powered bicycle
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