Instead of leathal injection, why don't we give the option of a cup of pills?

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I mean, lethal injection is supposed to be humane, but the fear of being crucified on that strange table???

OD'ing is easy and painless.

But then again, we do love the idea of vengeance, don't we?

[Hydra]

1. Look forward to burnings and hangings in the future

apparently "painless" death doesn't scare enough of us.

[WTF cubed]

2. I guess if Christ were born today, people would be wearing little electric chairs

around their necks?

[acmavm]

6. That's like the old 'joke' if Christ were alive today instead of making the

sign of the cross Catholics would be doing this... (and the comedian then jerks and pretends to convulse like he was getting a couple thousand volts).

[WTF cubed]

10. I hadn't seen that but it seems very apropos. n/t

[durrrty libby]

3. Why don't we stop our barbaric behavior and get rid of the death penalty?

[WTF cubed]

5. If only we could.

There are too many that love the punitive side of things and feel that killing makes them stronger than the life they snuffed.

peace

[Hydra]

7. I think prison is worse than death, myself

Better to be dead than to be a trapped rat.

Our justice system has some serious issues.

[MadMaddie]

4. You are right OD'ing is easy and painless and that's why it

shouldn't be used.....

I am neither here nor there on the death penalty by lethal injection, the chair, hanging etc...

I think hard labor for the rest of their lives.....no TV's, no radios....no weight rooms.....maybe they can have a library....

Their victims did not get "Easy" so they shouldn't either....just sayin..

[WTF cubed]

8. Shouldn't we try to be above them in thoughts of crime and punishment?

Just saying. We are not (supposed to be) murderers.

[MadMaddie]

11. We are not supposed to be murderers...you are right

but it's okay for the criminals to committ murder and then be treated
better than the victim and the victims famlies?


In Texas one of my best friends was murdered by a guy who should have been in jail...apparently when he drank he became psychotic....but guess what...he was released on parole or for .......Overcrowding in prisons
He stabbed her to death....her sister who lived in the complex found her....

Now before then I could honestly and firmly say I wasn't for the death penalty...Now I am on the fence....and in recent years many have been found innocent that are on death row...so that gives me pause...I don't have a problem with them rotting in jail.


This douche bag snuffed out the life of 30 year old women....who didn't have a chance to contribute to world.

[Hydra]

15. If you're mad

Look at the root of the problem. The criminals are not being put away. Scapegoating is still a major problem, and because the police or prosecutors don't want to look bad, they rarely want to fix the problem when evidence is submitted that they put away the wrong person. Luckily, DNA is hard to argue with.

Also, and I'm not familiar with the problem(the above has been my experience), but apparently prisons are being used as slave labor for US companies, and they want docile prisoners- minor drug offenders are apparently the preferred flavor. To make this happen, they have done as you say- let the scary ones who won't work and cause trouble out.

Anyone else seeing a problem here?

[MadMaddie]

18. Oh I am not mad...more sad that the criminal robbed us of

someone wonderful..

But the problem you point out is true...but the root cause goes further back doesn't it? Most if not all State Prisons have been "Privatized" and what do Privatized organizations do they have to make money as you pointed out.

No, I think all states for certain crimes...like murder...they need to eliminate early parole.

The states need to take the responsibility back from private prison companies and remove the $$$ factor.

[Hydra]

23. Follow that line of thought

They don't care that predators and mentally disturbed people are walking among us. They refuse to take them.

No, if there is to be change, it will have to come from us. Profit isn't everything.

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29. Yes.

It's not my place to decide final judgement.

I had a girlfriend whose mother was murdered by her handyman with a hammer. I tried to talk her out of the death penalty but could not. It gave me a lot of things to think about.

But, hey, I'm a fucking Buddhist, what do you expect. :)

[Hydra]

9. I hate to point this out

But a rather large number of people "in the system" don't belong there. You think it's still ok to mistreat them at that point?

[MadMaddie]

14. There are differences in the types of people in prison isn't there.

Should pot smokers be in jail for life in the war against drugs 3 strikes you are out? Hell no...

Should people be in jail that were framed...trust me I am aware that there are those cases....

There are battered women who had the shit beat out of them by their spouses and killed the abuser....and the women ends up in jail for life....because she didn't have the money to get a good lawyer...

But having said there are many in prison because they belong there....because they have broken basic rules of being decent to other humans.

The system is broken we know that..many states have a moritorium on the Death Penalty that is a good thing....

Let's take the Death Penalty off the table? What is your proposal?

[Hydra]

17. My proposal

Is to fix the system.

Punishment = the crime

Innocent until proven guilty

no more private prisons

no more prisons than we need

humane prisons where rule of law is enforced inside

no more victimless crimes- I say legalize drugs

Oversight of investigations to prevent police from picking "the easy suspect"

That would be a good start, I think.

[MadMaddie]

24. I can agree with what you have stated...

I think our resolutions are more similar than not.


:think:

[Hydra]

28. The "wrong person put away" is my problem

If there was a way to be absolutely certain of guilt, I'd say "kill em!"

Right now, though, it's an easy way to get rid of a potentially embarrassing situation.

"The man is dead, so who cares that we were wrong? We can't bring him back, you know. Get over it."

[MadMaddie]

31. I agree with that...I do believe the system needs to be fixed..

Going to watch Bill Mahr...have a good evening.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

12. Death by pills

I think the biggest problem would be the possibility of vomiting, plus there would be the legal problem of it being a forced suicide. Many religions believe that suicide will send you to hell. With the state killing them, it still leaves the option of redemption because they get forgiveness for their crime, but with suicide I don't think they will get forgiveness because the "sin" doesn't really occur until the moment they die.
For what is worth, I don't think the death penalty should be used except for cases where the crime is especially brutal and the evidence 100% irrefutable(video, D.N.A. & a confession).

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16. It's an option....

As a near suicide myself...

It's going to sleep.

I had not considered the religious slant on this as it has seemed a bit far fetched in the realities of life and death to me. I'm sure that our prison system would be more than happy to murder those who chose not to die by their own hand.

peace

[liberalnurse]

13. I have often wondered

why they have not just placed in a PICC line? Set-up the IV solution/line and any Henchman volunteer could turn on the IV pump..... :shrug:

http://www.cancerbackup.org.uk/Treatments/Chemotherapy/Linesports/PICCline

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20. Why go through the bother when it could be done much more humanely?

Yes, we do have criminals, but the current society has been leaning toward punitive "cures" rather than actual programs that might make our society better.

[notadmblnd]

19. No it's not

My sister tried killing herself by taking pills. She said it was excruciating pain, and she wasn't talking about the pumping her stomach part.

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22. I'll disagree.

From first hand experience.

And the pumping, charcoal and the weeks on the respirator sucked.

[notadmblnd]

27. maybe she just didn't take enough?

or wasn't unconsciouses enough or maybe it was the affects of a different type of drugs, but the violent convulsions that I witnessed was enough to convince me. It wasn't just that she said so.

[napi21]

21. It's too slow as far as I know. I hate the DP too but I have to admit,

people like that older guy who made the trunk of his car into a shooting hideout and randomly shot innocent people just for the hell of it and terrorized Va. for a long time sure makes me want vengence!

I can't understand why people who are pro DP are harping about the method being cruel? Isn't the whole process intended to be cruel and the worst punishment available?????

[WTF cubed]

25. I would like to believe that we are a little bit ahead on the evolutionary chain

than the cretins that murder and commit heinous acts.

[napi21]

30. Yes, but would you feel the same if one of those random victims

would have been your relative? How about someone who kidnaps a little girl, secually abuses her and then kills her, and she's YOUR DAUGHTER?

All I'm saying is that each of us have a different opinion of what crime is beyond imaginable, and deserves something worse than life in prison. Perhapse I'm just another cretin in your mind, but some crimes are well beyond bad!

[WTF cubed]

33. Yes, but punishing the criminal in a heinous manner does nothing to correct

the situation. It merely brings us down to his/her level.

The crime has been committed. There is nothing you or I can do to set it right.

[Omphaloskepsis]

26. Why the fuck is it so hard to get a cup of pills?

I have never killed anyone. Broken a few hearts, but never killed anyone. In fifty years I would really like the option to have a nice dinner of red and white and blue pills and fall asleep forever. Do I have to kill someone for a soft suicide?

[WTF cubed]

32. No, you don't...

But don't give up on the story quite yet. I'm sure it's about to get interesting.

Peace and love to you.

[Pavulon]

34. Using halothane

or any ga would just put people to sleep. Just a mask. no injection, sleep, death.

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35. Yes, but it would still take away a bit of humanity that choice would allow?