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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:15 PM
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Backing Our Earth Against The Wall
This is not going to be another pretty please to "politicians" to ask them to please do more on this. This is not going to be sweet, or nice, or beating around the bush. The bottom line Earthlings, is that we as a species are committing slow suicide to ourselves and murdering species, trees, plants, the rainforests, rivers and oceans, the atmosphere, and all ecosystems that support our own existence and it is being done out of willful ignorance which is morally reprehensible.

We now know that human behavior is contributing to the rise of GHGs in our atmosphere which is in turn causing rising seas, accelerated melting of glaciers specifically in the Arctic which threatens our climate balance, stronger storms, droughts, wildfires, floods, deforestation, desertification, the spread of disease, species extinction, invasive species, water shortages, and erratic weather patterns.

These conditions are then in turn causing the death of livestock, the extinction and disappearance of species important to the web of life, hunger, lack of potable water, environmental degradation of land needed to grow food, pollution, and the possibility of millions of environmental refugees who will be forced to leave their homes because where they live will be uninhabitable...and that is already happening in places like Bangladesh, Vanuatu, and other islands that have already been swallowed up by the rising seas. And the economic devastation because of it is so much more than it could ever be in not doing the right thing, not to mention the environmental damage and the spiritual damage to our balance with this planet.

I am then so sick of these socalled 'conferences' that come out with false rhetoric about seeking to fight climate change and then LET THIS EARTH DOWN without binding targets. I am sick of climate change being used as a political wedge issue rather than treated as the URGENT MORAL crisis it is with governments backing down by using the economy as a damn excuse to sit and DO NOTHING and waste more time while this world melts around us! But of course, that is the way of "politics".

After all of the petitions signed, the letters written, the phone calls, the flyers, the blog entries, the changes I have made in my own life and in doing all I can to spread this message to others, there is only thing left I can say to the developed countries of this world including the U.S. and China, and India (which in my book are developed countries based on their economies and what they are contributing to this crisis because of it now):

It is time to stop the stalling and DO SOMETHING NOW, because words no longer mean anything. We are heading for a definite tipping point in the climate balance of this Earth that will have catastrophic effects on the habitability of this planet. Scientists have confirmed it, and Mother Nature is now illustrating it in response to our behavior on a global basis. WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE?

It is absolutely morally reprehensible for any country that is contributing the most to this crisis to still sit on its hands and play these "it will be bad for our economy" games while the poor of this world become more and more vulnerable to the effects of this crisis! These are the same games that were played THIRTY and TWENTY years ago, and you should know that it is logical that WITHOUT A SUSTAINABLE PLANET your economy won't mean squat. As a matter of fact, it has been proven that sustainable investments and practices not only SAVE money but bring jobs and a safer, cleaner, more PEACEFUL world.

But continue to have your 'conferences' that let the Earth and those species that cannot defend themselves down and still expect her to sustain you. The arrogance of those perpetuating this crisis truly blows me away. Let us hope that the U.N. Climate summit in Bali gives us more than this same rhetoric, because seriously, we are running out of time.

And as for PM Howard's remarks you can see right through them. In other words, 'Just don't do anything to ruin our profits and we can "agree" to talk about it and make it look good.' Australia will be in a perpetual state of drought that will be common place. But yes, PM Howard, continue to burn and sell that coal.

Al Gore is right. Unless WE go to the barricades, you can say goodbye to the world as we once knew it, and we will then have no one to blame but ourselves, because as far as 'politicians' go, all they are doing is backing our Earth up against the wall.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070908/pl_nm/apec_dc

APEC leaders agree climate change pact at summit
By Jalil Hamid
Sat Sep 8,
9:35 AM ET

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Asia-Pacific leaders agreed on Saturday to a "long-term aspirational goal" to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but no binding targets, and are expected to end their summit on Sunday urging a conclusion to world trade talks.

Australian Prime Minister John Howard told reporters 21 Asia-Pacific leaders had agreed to a "Sydney Declaration" on climate change, calling it "a new international consensus."

He said the leaders agreed for the need for all nations, developing and developed, to contribute according to their own capacities and circumstances to reducing greenhouse gases.

"We are serious about addressing in a sensible way, compatible with our different economic needs, the great challenge of climate change," he said at the end of the first day of the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit.

Green groups called it a failure without binding targets.

"The Sydney Declaration is really just a Sydney distraction from real action on climate change," Greenpeace energy campaigner Catherine Fitzpatrick said.

The declaration was seen as a compromise between the rich and poor APEC economies, which together account for about 60 percent of the world's economy.

Developing economies, led by China and Indonesia, opposed any wording that commits them to binding targets, believing it would hinder economic development. They argue developed nations should take more responsibility for climate change.

Proponents of the declaration say it sets the stage for the U.N. climate convention's annual summit in Bali, Indonesia in December, which is looking for a successor to the existing U.N. pact, known as the Kyoto Protocol, due to expire in 2012.

end of excerpt
(Additional reporting by Caren Bohan, John Ruwitch in Sydney)



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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:23 PM
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1. We're really not doing anything to the earth it can't handle. We're doing it to ourselves.
Our ways will influence the climate enough to make it uninhabitable by humans and other living creatures; but the earth will remain and continue on, long after we are gone.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:26 PM
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2. I already know that...
And I'm not ready to go yet.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:29 PM
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3. I'm not either....that's why I try to make people understand -
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 01:29 PM by sparosnare
it's not all about the earth. If we change the dialog a bit to make it about US, it might sink in to the narrow-minded of our species.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:34 PM
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8. True. But what affects the Earth, affects us
It is all connected. That is the message I deliver to people. You can't expect to share in the bounty of a planet you disrespect, nor should you.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 03:19 PM
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15. That was the only way I was able to get through to a pompous "free marketeer" I once knew
Framed to affect his quality of life personally and he finally got it.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:30 PM
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5. It's fine if humans want to commit slow suicide themselves.
It's anything but fine to take down most higher forms of life with us.

We are committing a grievous moral wrong against the innocent. IMHO, if there's a God, that's what s/he created hell for, and we will richly deserve it.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:30 PM
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4. The problem is with the way we live.
Everyone just has to have one of everything. Maybe two or three of everything. "He who dies with the most toys wins." That is the mindset that we need to change in order to save the planet from ourselves. As long as this mindset prevails, there will always be huge amounts of waste, and that's what causes the environmental problems that we will be dealing with for the next generation and beyond.

I used to live in a "hippie commune" and part of our mission was to make it so that each of us simply did not have to have one of everything. We shared stuff, lived better than we could have as individuals, and shared in a sense of community because we all owned everything. There are drawbacks, of course, but what could be worse than the drawback of not having a safe, healthy planet to live on?

We need to rethink the way we live. Nothing else will work, in the long run.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:34 PM
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7. Combined with HOW MANY ARE DOING IT.
This is so overlooked. In fact, it's the more important variable in the equation. Two people on the planet can do anything they want. Six billion people can almost do nothing, and have the same effect.

It's about population. And if people don't believe that, they must look at the exponential population curve. Even, and especially, with squinted eyes. Just look at horizontal versus vertical. We're vertical now. That means emergency.


Sorry. I didn't mean to pick on your post. I just chose a convenient subject line.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:52 PM
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11. Were you picking on my post? or the OP?
I absolutely agree with you.

Unfortunately, the NeoCONs have, and are implementing, their population reduction plan. Kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible. And, I fear their plan will only pick up momentum from here on.

There's gotta be a better way to do it. I just don't know what it is...
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:57 PM
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17. Neither do I. Neither do I.
No picking going on at all.

Just some sadness. I have lost so much. And it's because people are not aware. Not taking responsibility. I'm talking about the delay between what we see and do versus what happens later. Those who made this mess are old now. My mother and father. Her mom had 11 kids. The world looked beautiful. And it looked infinite. In 1950 my parents saw a wonderful world. They had their honeymoon in Yosemite. There was probably no one around. Beautiful.

Well, there isn't much we can do. People like Gore have done a hell of a lot to open people's eyes. But it always seems to take a crisis to make people wake up and change.

You know all of this. I'm just sitting here listening to Coltrane, and wishing I could go back. Back to what? I don't even know.

People need to be careful and observant. Then we'll have a better world.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:38 PM
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9. Absolutely... and they hahve to have it now.
We need to improve the way we live and relearn a respect for the planet that sustains us that has been long forgotten. But that is a monumental task in this modern world.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:34 PM
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6. Repugs and neocons to invest in companies who manufacture
life jackets, pontoons and snorkels.

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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:50 PM
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10. Well, that isn't going to matter...
...if we kill the oceans. People are concerned about rising waters, but that's probably the least of our problems.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:52 PM
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12. K&R
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 02:04 PM
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13. I hear ya
My hunch, though, is we have already hit the tipping point and have triggered warming processes that are themselves greater in impact than emissions produce by human activity.

To put it more succinctly, we have already screwed the pooch. Thanks in large part to the lying bastards on the right of the aisle who were pretty convinced this bad shit would happen to some other generation. Well, once again they were wrong. This train is picking up speed, and I just don't see any way of slowing it down.

Bitter a pill as it is to swallow, we must accept that democracy and capitalism have failed to acknowledge this problem, much less do anything to resolve it. The magnitude of this failure leaves me baffled. Still, if what a growing body of atmospheric scientists thinks is correct, we are at the tipping point now ...

And if that is the case, the issue of curbing man made emissions to stop climate change is moot. The crux issue then becomes how we will survive it as a nation.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:07 AM
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19. I do believe glacial melt is at that point
The CO2 in our atmosphere for years is finally having an effect. Therefore, that is why we need to slow down and stop the CO2 and other GHGs coming into our atmosphere now in order to mitigate the most devastating effects of it that our children and grandchildren will have to deal with. It isn't a question of "if" anymore, which is why I am so absolutely angry with governments of all political stripes that simply continue to "talk" and "debate" it. We are WAY past that point now. So I do then believe it will be because of the grassroots effort put forth by Al Gore and others that will finally tip the political scales, and that is why I support him wholeheartedly in this mission. A few years ago he told us to "keep our eye on the prize," and that is exactly the advice that must be heeded now. I truly hope it is this year (what's left of it,) because we can't wait much longer to get serious.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 02:06 PM
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14. the earth doesn't need us
it was here way before us and will be here way after us. until the sun implodes and incinerates everything from mercury to jupiter.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:15 AM
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21. Well, at this point I would say we are definitely an unwanted annoyance
Sad to say, but true. But we need the Earth, and that is why we cannot allow those with the power and $$$$$$ to continue to seal our fate.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:04 PM
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16. at this point
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 04:09 PM by marions ghost
I'm so discouraged about the degradation of the environment that I'm about to say--let Nature's Revenge begin....:(

Everywhere there are clear signs of massive problems, and yet so many want to pretend that everything's fine.

It's the No 1 challenge of our times--everything else pales in comparison. The big big elephant in the room.

It's one reason why I am kind of distanced from other political issues to a certain extent. Because I know the big one lurks...
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:03 PM
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18. Error: You've already recommended that thread.
So here is a kick-I agree with a lot of that. What we are doing to wreck this planet on so many fronts is just insane.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:11 AM
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20. Thank you. And yes, it is almost as if we have a death wish
Which is a part of human nature that has always facinated me: How people can know that what they do is bad for their bodies or their planet and yet they keep doing it. I suppose the part of the brain that rules instant gratification overrrules the part that rules the conscience.
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