As a long time DUer, can I just say...

[salin]

that I HATE reading that phrase when used as part of an argument or flame fest. It is insulting. Both to the person to whom the insult is directed, and to all of the other DUers who cringe when reading it - as if it is some sort of attempt to "speak for old time DUers".

Look my opinion is just as worthy, or unworthy as the next person's. Doesn't matter whether or not I have been here a long time, or not. The difference might be that some other DUers are familiar with the types of things I post about, because I have posted over a long period of time - but given that these days I have limited posting time, I would bet that many, many newer DUers are recognized by many more people.

I have seen this used as a part of an argument/retort, numerous times lately - and it irks me. Sure there are times when bringing up Old time or New time status is relevant to a discussion (such as shifting group dynamics at the DU... or what did it used to be like... or what was the reaction to X event at DU?) - but to use it as if it adds credibility to one's argument while somehow also detracts credibility to the person to whom one posts the comment? Give me a break.

Feel free to chime in with your current pet peeve per rogue or obnoxious posting trends.

[The Straight Story]

1. As a long time DUer I agree

:)

[spanone]

5. As a longer time DUer I also agree

there's one in every thread :toast:

[Avalux]

2. As a long-time DUer and a former moderator, I agree also.

No one's opinion should be discounted due to length of membership or post amount. We are all in this together and that sort of talk is divisive. :hi:

[The Straight Story]

3. Oh, you just had to throw moderator in there didn't ya

:rofl:

[Avalux]

6. LOL!

First time I've done that since I said goodbye to my little gray man! :rofl:

[EFerrari]

65. Wow. I never realized how patriarchal DU was.

How come there's no little gray women? Or, cats? lol

[Kurovski]

124. Get me a beer, woman!

I'm saying this not as a man, but as a long-time DUer.

[TahitiNut]

56. As a longer-time DUer, veteran, senior, and a former moderator with MORE posts, I agree also.

:silly:

[salin]

79. well, I sorta have to defer to that opinion

especially since it is agreeing with my own :D

[TahitiNut]

88. I've always regarded you as one of the wiser, more compassionate DUers, luv.

:silly:

:hug: :loveya:

[salin]

94. The respect - is mutual

one time community-neighbor, now state neighbor :loveya: :hug:

[Solon]

4. As a long time DUer, I agree.

Been here longer than you. :P

[salin]

22. I believe some folks used to think I was you...

if they read too fast. :D

[Solon]

26. I don't doubt it, and I learned to ignore the misspelled "Salon" when people...

respond to me. I'm not a hairdresser, and I'm NOT working for any magazine dammit! :)

[salin]

33. hey - at least its not saloon...

though that might make you the most popular poster in some forums ;-)

[Solon]

37. I can drink to that!

:toast:

[salin]

46. me too!

:beer:

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Avalux]

9. And there are those who would never be considered in the first place.

:D

[Maddy McCall]

14. Along with those who would never apply.

:P

[yorgatron]

11. i don't have anything useful to add,i just want to draw attention to my

long-term DU status.

[Maddy McCall]

15. I kneel at your feet, DUer #412.

:rofl:

But, damn! You got here even before Skinner first posted. :D

[Submariner]

92. How can you tell he is DUer #412?

I looked in my profile and see nothing?

[Maddy McCall]

93. You're DUer #3466.

When you look at someone's profile, look up at the URL.

Here's the url when I click on your ID:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=103466

With people who were here before we hit 100,000, all you do is
look at the last five digits of the number at the end of the
URL, and it gives you your member number.

Yours is 03466.  So you were the 3466th member to join DU.  :)

[Submariner]

96. Well....how about that...

Thank ya very much. Just proves that one can learn something new each day.

[salin]

24. as a relative newbie (to you)

I am honored to have you on my thread... strutting your long-terminess :D

[TahitiNut]

61. Sorry ... I only listen to ElementaryPenguin, hedda_foil, Ms. Clio, and Robb (is a dingbat!).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=100013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=100020
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=100024
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=100037


... and then disagree. :silly:

[Solon]

77. Good thing you didn't listen to this guy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=100002

Look at the ID number, its number 2! :D

[TahitiNut]

91. Yup. About 20% of the 107,000+ user registrations are in Doot Hill.

Worm food. :rofl:

[AwakeAtLast]

75. My question before I read your post was, "What is considered a long-time DUer?

I just know it's not me. :D

:hi:

[Canuckistanian]

106. Same with me

I think I joined in late 2002 and I don't consider myself a "DU veteran" at all. But then, I'm a voracious reader and only an occasional commenter.

And the most amazing thing to me is how a newbie poster can write the most amazing posts with all the knowledge, spirit and technical skill of any old-timer here.

[Spazito]

8. Agree, the length of time one has been a member of anything

or, indeed, the number of posts one has does not equate to greater credibility to be given or a higher status in some perceived hierarchy, imo.

[tom_paine]

10. As a longtime DUer, may I say

that I am a longtime DUer.

[Maddy McCall]

17. Yorgatron's been here longer than you.

I think I'll listen to what he has to say, instead.

:P

:hi:

[tom_paine]

50. Oh yeah? I joined DU in 1994 so SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!

Soory about that, I was channeling O'Lielly for a moment.

[salin]

52. I have actually seen something like that...

folks claiming they have been at the DU since 2000 or since 1999. They didn't do the rest of the O'Lielly immitation, though. :shrug:

[Solon]

60. You know what, I don't even remember what month I joined...

It was in 2001, obviously, but I forget if it was April, May or June.

[salin]

I didn't find DU until after the invasion of Afghanistan

didn't join for a couple of months. But the folks who have been here since 1999... hehe... guess they never read the classic thread on the first week at DU (by the mods).

[Solon]

72. I found the website soon after the Inaguration of Bush the lesser...

I lurked for a few months after that, I joined, started a "Hi I'm Solon" thread soon after that, then lurked for almost a year after that, with only occasional posts, like maybe 10 a month or less.

[Forkboy]

12. I'm with you there. It's cheap and lazy.

[salin]

25. and lately it seems to signal to me - I am about to cringe

as it gets used to try to support some flimsy argument, or flimsy retort to another post.

[Maddy McCall]

13. My current obnoxious posting trend peeve...

is a recent trend, occurring within the past two or three years: Some people think that they somehow contribute to the value of DU by spending 20 hours a day, 7 days a week, posting nowhere but in the lounge, picture thread after picture thread, with only a semi-annual visit to GD to involve themselves in flamewars, so that they can go back to the lounge and post nasty stuff about GD, as if the lounge and GD are as disparate as Free Republic and Democratic Underground.

[madinmaryland]

18. Hey leave us lounge lizards out of this argument!

Why do you have my cat picture threads!

:hi:

[blondeatlast]

21. ...

:thumbsup:

:rofl:

and for good measure...

:hide:

[salin]

27. or visa versa...

I have seen both called viper pits - and I have seen cause in both places for the tag viper pit. Though I think more "swarming" originates from the lounge - that, too, is a pet peeve of mine.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

30. LOL.

That is so accurate.

:thumbsup:

[mzmolly]

16. My pet peeve is when we have posts promoting third party candidates followed by the assertion

that said candidates are above critique.

[salin]

29. or worse... a GOP candidate. Three yrs ago some would

tout McCain (before he started kissing jr.s behind) as great - a moderate who could get votes... now the occaisional swoon post goes to Paul. Who are they (the posters) kidding?

[mzmolly]

34. Indeed, both scenarios are irritating as hell.

:hi:

[blondeatlast]

19. My current pet peeve (ongoing) as a longtime DUer is: "Do we really need so many threads about...?"

posts.

If a thread has lots o' responses, then I would venture to say that yes, indeed, we do.

Can the interested adults please talk about what the interested adults want to discuss and if you don't want to discuss it, use the handy-dandy scroll-wheel?

And I completely agree, salin. The only time the phrase is useful is as you'
:hi:

[salin]

32. agree and disagree

when a topic gets to the 'shiney object' phase - where everyone is posting a brand new thread a minute - so that the front page of the GD is about 80% shiney object new threads and 20% others - then the those threads give voice to the folks who would just like to read about something else - and allows the vent at those who aren't willing to settle with posting their thought to one of the other existing 10+ threads ;-) :hi:

[bear425]

20. As a long time human being, I agree with you. n/t

[Lex]

23. The "preachy" threads are the most annoying of all.

nt

[salin]

38. cool...

just goes to show that expressing one's annoyance, is most certainly going to annoy someone. Gotta love irony - or is it poetic justice?

[Lex]

43. Oh, did you think

I was referring to your OP?

[salin]

45. I thought it could be a shoe-fitting sorta thing

I didn't mean to be preachy, but thought, ya - I guess I could see that.

If you weren't, than I am glad - though that means I have to give up the irony (and I sorta think irony is kinda cool for some odd reason. :D )

[Vanje]

86. The threads that irrtate me start wth, "Lets all...." or "We should...."

like,
"Lets all go to Walmart parking lot and shout'Bush Sucks'."

" We should all boycott the company that put shingles on Bill O'Lielies house. Does anyone know what roofer he uses? When we find out , will someone post it here?"

[avrdream]

95. What's wrong with going to Walmart and shouting "Bush sucks!"?

:woohoo:

[Vanje]

98. you go first, oky

[salin]

102. sounds like a flash mob

read about the phenom - don't know if folks still do it.

[WillyT]

28. I've Always Thought It Was How Ya Used Your Post, Not The Length Of Your DUness...

Sorry.

:evilgrin:

[Solon]

31. I thought it was the length of the flamewars, or kudzu threads, I forget.

:evilgrin:

[salin]

39. once again you prove... (at least in my eyes)

ya thought correctly!

[Raejeanowl]

123. You Devil You

It is purely a measure (no pun intended) of my tiredness tonight that I had to read that twice before I "got it." Thanks for the laugh.

[WillyT]

136. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

:hi:

[emilyg]

35. As a fairly new DU'er - I agree

My pet one is "I'll hold my nose"

[salin]

40. before the "I'll hold my nose"... there was the detestable...

"raise your hand if you agree...." both are ugh-worthy.

[prole_for_peace]

36. another long-time DUer agrees....

and my long-time pet peeve are the posts 'there are much more important things going on today than "x"'

like i can't be concerned or interested in more thatn one thing at a time. it especially irritates me when this is in response to some kind of current event or celebrity thread.

i know there are horrible things going on in this world. but i can't spend every second of every waking day worrying and pulling my hair out about the state of things. sometimes i (and other people) need some levity or stupidity to help us cope. hell i already take anti-depressants what more do these people want? i guess i could get so upset about things that i kill myself or someone else but i don't think that is the ultimate expression of concern. i can still care about our country and the environment going to hell in a handbasket even if i read about the stupid things that brittney does. it makes me feel not so screwed up.

[salin]

44. sometimes folks do forget there is a diversity of interests

in the GD. The times I am sympathetic to those posts are if/when that event of the day has spawned 20 "different" but really similar threads. That is also annoying.

[prole_for_peace]

74. i am with you on that one

i wish posters would look for previous postings before starting a new thread on a popular subject. do we need 35 threads on the obl video? why not just post a reply on an existing thread? i understand multiple threads if each thread get a huge amount of replies but other than that i dont' get it.

[Swamp Rat]

41. Appeal to Authority fallacy

"A long time DUer" does not guarantee some sort of expertise in anything, except for the ability to hit the 'reply' button on an Internet forum.

On the other hand, the phrase "As a long time DUer, can I just say" would be quite appropriate in a context pertaining to posting history or certain trends at DU.

:)

[salin]

48. exactly!

:hi:

[tom_paine]

54. How DARE you question my authority as a longtime DUer?

We lontime DUers are never wrong! SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!

Jeez, I may need an exorcism. I have been taken over by the blackened, charred, shriveled soul of O'Leilly.

:hi:

[ahimsa]

90. Hey, I'm proof...

... that you can be a "long time DUer" and never quite get the hang of hitting the reply button :freak:

[Nevernose]

126. Typical newbie post.

Now, if you ask me, I'll tell you that 2004 was the good old days. Back when I started posting, we had to walk uphill both ways to get to DU, broadband was a luxury of the elite, and we were only allowed to type with nine fingers, maximum, because that's all the government would allow us.

[Swamp Rat]

137. LOL!

I didn't sign up until I had broadband, but have been a DU junkie since the beginning. Sometimes I wanted to sign up just to cuss out Carlos. ;) :D

[trashcanistanista]

42. As a short term DU'er

striving to be a longie, I concur. :) It looks like I'm the only shortie not too scared (just a little) to respond to this which illustrates your point!

[salin]

49. I didn't think of that until after I posted

I meant to play on how the phrase is used ( :eyeroll: ) not as in "a discussion for old timers". Glad you chimed in - and I hope others realize the thread is to/for all, not just Long-Timers.

[trashcanistanista]

68. No, I agree and understand your post -

the phrase is used to enahnce one side of an argument and give an opinion greater weight but by using it, it can be intimidating for the newbies who don't have that ammo just yet. Also the rapid fire takedowns of newbies who venture to post for the first time, granted some may be trolls, and the takedowns are justifiable, can be hurtful if the posts are trying to be legit. Despite it, I love DU.

[jpgray]

47. As a middling band-wagon jumper 2003 DUer, can I say... right on!

[salin]

51. Now that is a phrase I would find hilarious, used in the midst

of an argument/flame. I dare ya...

"Look, your statement is just wrong, as a middling band-wagon jumper DUer, let me tell you...." :D

[happydreams]

53. .....

:hi:

[LostInAnomie]

55. My biggest pet peeve going around DU right now is...

... the use of quotation marks around the word "progressive".

It usually comes up whenever some DB starts a flame-worthy thread expecting everyone to fall in line behind them. When this turns out to not be the case, a post stating something similar to this appears: "I can't believe so many "progressives" on here think..."

It's sanctimony wrapped in liberal flag.

[salin]

57. its our imitation of the use of "so-called" that the right

uses to assert illegitimacy of what follows.

Oh- and don't you love it when the second isn't just a post on the original thread - but a second thread - because the call-out is so important that it deserves its own thread. Bah!

[omega minimo]

82. better that than

sanctimony wrapped in a douchebag

:evilgrin:

[shugah]

58. as a long time DUer

i knew that you were a long time DUer without you even having to mention it ;-)

:hi:

[salin]

59. great to see you shugah!

hope all is well up north (I think you are a state north of me)!

[shugah]

108. indeed i do

live in the :hide: rogue primary state to the north.

hope all is well to the south too!

i guess my pet peeve would be that everyone doesn't seem to realize that i was the expert on everything long before i joined DU ;-)

[EFerrari]

62. It's an appeal to authority, not to logic.

I'll have to remember that one. :evilgrin:

[salin]

67. while it really just means...

knowing how not to get booted for so long ;-)

[EFerrari]

87. Or biding your time, as I am.

lol

:hi:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

63. As a not so long time DUer I agree

I can recall seeing posters, who later became mega posters, poked with sticks and roughly treated. All simply due to the short length of time they've been posting here.

We all have to begin someplace. We all have different perspectives to offer. And most importantly, the person you're speaking with isn't a product of the number of post they've racked up on DU. No matter if you agree with them or not.

[salin]

69. I started reading in nov 2001, joined in the first week of Jan 02

and in that first week there were moderator threads telling DUers not to use the term "newbie" or refer to low post counts as an interchangeable "freeper!" taunt. Guess some things stay the same...

[Lone_Star_Dem]

116. I don't doubt that

It's human nature, but that doesn't mean it's a part of our nature we shouldn't strive to overcome.

I had been posting here for well over a month before I knew what a freeper was or even that I was being insulted half the time. My innocence no doubt helped insulate me from insults that may have tainted my opinions of what has turned out to be a wonderful experience for me.

[madokie]

64. as a long long time okie I agree

[salin]

71. not just any okie...

a madokie... :D a mad (dem) okie - that is even more brave than a mad (dem) hoosier (ala salin)... :D

[juajen]

66. As a long time DUer and never a moderator (I'm too technically challenged)

I agree. Perhaps if we changed the designation to "as an elderly DUer" we wouldn't have the same problem. LOL

[salin]

73. heh - that's a good idea

though I sorta like Jpgray's description up thread. Imagine having to type that each time one wanted to try to show how "credible" the statement they are about to make is.

[Gold Metal Flake]

70. Me DU you long time.

[salin]

78. Now that would be an interesting response

to the phrase

[AwakeAtLast]

76. Totally agree with you, salin.

Great to see on the GP, BTW. :hi:

[salin]

80. Hi there!

:hi:

And was that a great kick-off game for the season, or what?!

[AwakeAtLast]

89. {Hiding face} I heard it was, yes.

We were really tired and went to bed early - I know, I know! We hadn't caught up on our sleep from the sojurn to Holiday World over Labor Day. The Legend is the most awesome roller coaster! I think it may even be better than the Beast.

Would it help if I said I knew it would be a blowout?

I thought the whole thing made Indy look great, especially the free concert!

[omega minimo]

81. As a sometime DUer, can I just say.....

.... that coming here less frequently always IMMEDIATELY reveals how much this beloved community picks at each other..... (not saying that's what yer doin, salin).....

There is so much potential here, sucked up in so many "flame fests." Would that discussion be more cooperative, less combative.

Human nature?

:hi: :grouphug:

[salin]

97. human nature, indeed.

:hi:

[Vanje]

83. I never thought of myself as a Long-tIme D-Uer

I figured DU had been here since Watergate.
Also, I have less than 150,000 posts, so I dont really count.

[salin]

99. It sure does feel like its been here since Watergate,

but I think that is just because we discovered through DU how much we are in the Watergate Looking glass under bushco.

Just because you don't count (as in 1 and 2 and 3) posts doesn't mean you don't count :D

[BlooInBloo]

84. People always look for whatever sliver of faux-authority they can gin up.

[trashcanistanista]

85. Well said!

:hi:

[salin]

100. Gin

mmm er... Rummy... er... tag you're it?

Don't worry I am not making sense to me, either. Which is about as much sense as the use of long-time status as some form of 'credibility' ala faux authority makes.

[BlooInBloo]

105. LOL! :)

[salin]

101. oops double post

eom

[rucky]

104. As an Official Bikini Inspector...

I'll have to disagree.

[BlooInBloo]

114. Best. Job. EVER.

[rucky]

103. My posts have become more thoughtless and flippant over time. n/t

[bridgit]

107. as a short timer my opinion little matters...

but threads positioned in such a way that experiential replies are not able to be made that would speak directly to matters while the 'summary judgment of DU' is allowed instead to drift off & into deeper levels of shared myopia...they little contribute imfo, and occur quite regularly in GD :shrug:

and for the record: *I* recognize you :hi:

[salin]

109. while GD can move to myopia on some topics - it is incredibly

vigorous on others. If it weren't, I would guess that many wouldn't keep peeking in and participating.

and - thanks for the nice call-out and :hi: back at you.

[davsand]

110. Nobody gave a crap what I thought back then either!

The more things change the more they stay the same!

:hi:


Laura

[salin]

111. I did then (or at least ...

back then after I arrived) and I do now! :hi: So declares this Long Timer (and thus - according to some who use that term - it must be true!) :D :hi:

[davsand]

113. Our longevity gives us gravitas, (in our own minds anyhow!)

It also gives us some eye strain from reading our monitors for so long.

Good to see you, friend!

:)


Laura

[Catshrink]

112. As a sort of long time, I guess anyway, DUer

I can only say that Robb is a dingbat.

Oh yeah, and I'm glad Will Pitt is back.

[camero]

115. Sort of a clique thing I agree

and cliques are for children IMO.

[Raejeanowl]

117. I Can Identify With That

NanceGregg (a goddess-I am not worthy) can probably tell you exactly which of her "You Know You're a DUer" articles of faith this falls under, but just in the last couple of days I started a flaming thread about a topic I will not name, that was locked after 30 or so entries, and for good reason. It involved another long series of threads on a single topic dominating GD in recent days.

Several of the posters who didn't like what I had to say felt that it was some sort of valid point against my entitlement to have any opinion in the matter, to point out that I had been a member since April 2007 and had racked up less than a whopping 150 or so posts of my own. It was also suggested that I just hide the threads, like it was my responsibility to slog through all the mud being generated rather the parties responsible to do something about the mud.

Never mind that I was visiting DU long before I joined, never mind that I read far more than I post because there are many intelligent, active, focused DUers who inform and stimulate me daily, never mind that too many of those big-numbers posters are notching great tallies WITHOUT REALLY CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE, (and we won't even go into experiences of a lifetime) I am still a "newbie."

Therefore, to some DUers, the weight of my opinion is somehow inferior to theirs, and fair game for attack on the basis of my getting uppity and not knowing my little newbie place. Exactly the sort of crap you'd expect elsewhere, name your personal devil of a Jerry Springeresque public message board where they let anyone in, and anyone stay, and anyone rave on endlessly and unproductively-often in the wrong forum-about their pet topic.

I joined this community for what I thought were good reasons, and if I am so quickly disillusioned and disappointed in some of the company, and in some of the behaviors, maybe it's important that I SAY SO.

Thanks for bringing this up and giving me an opportunity to vent about it, salin.

[salin]

119. please remember that you often read, without responding...

and realize that the posters who pull the "long timer" or "ew - the newbie" lines are a very small percentage of those reading the thread/post. Just because a few folks are vocal and persistant, does not mean it represents the majority perception. Granted sometimes it does (pump up privatization of social security, for example, and one will be soundly tamped down - and that would represent the general view of the forum) - but that is not a rule.

Glad to give you a place to vent. I didn't see the thread, the responses or the lock, so I can't respond to your example, but I do hope you keep posting.

[shadowknows69]

118. My cousin's, sisters, boyfriend's uncle was a long time DUer

[salin]

120. my coworker's aunt's best friend was a Duer longer than your cousin's, sister's boyfriend's uncle...

:D

[InvisibleTouch]

121. Define "long timer," though.

I've been here since late '03 or early '04. But I still feel like a recent arrival.

[BlooInBloo]

122. Longer than whomever you want to pull rank on.

[Colorado Progressive]

125. Its the classic "you're a NUBY" 21st century attack, what a redneck would do

Get over the "I was here first" bullshit all of you. The Indians were here first, they were the only ones who were here first. Just because you found some stupid blog first, who cares?

edit:typo

[hedgetrimmer]

128. Get over your newby defensiveness, saddle up and get your mojo rising....

I believe Al Gore was on the internet first, not the Indians...

[Colorado Progressive]

129. My point was the 21st century insult is "Nuby" and everyone wants to thug the Í was here first crap

[hedgetrimmer]

133. My point: as follows

At one point in the great history of this amazing digital world known to many as "DU" ... the boys in blue were the ladies and gentlemen that danced across this electronic oasis and called each-other on their misconceptions... and it was embraced as a movement towards truth and away from idealism... So in reference to being an "oldtimer" it has nothing to to do with a "Nuby" it has to do with a time when DU was different. No one is thugging, I believe the point was to help a brother up, not knock a brother down. Or in a more 21st century vernacular, don't be a hater.

[hedgetrimmer]

127. As an oldtimer who don't do much posting let me say

I remember a DU that was new, fresh and full of piss and vinegar... when Will Pitt and that other fella handed out leaflets in boston or where ever the hell it was...where my wife and I did the same thing in our city and likewise across this nation did other DUers.... but all I have to say is this here hizzie ain't the hizzie I once knew ... we the DUers dug like moles throwing all different sorts of info out into the throws of DU minds, we educated ourselves and had madness on the net with keyboard name calling and sh*t where administration got all crazy and started tossing all the rebel rousers to the wolves at CU ... and now as an occassional daily viewer and poster I have to say, lets have some flame bait!!!!... get some heat on... drive the moderators fk'n nuts.... and whittle away at the horror of this 1984 nightmare... and lets use that phrase, "I HATE" when talking about George Bush, or Dick Cheney or the deteriation of our civil liberties and the constant onslaught of our freedoms, our economy, our constitution, our future .... lets be real folks the jizzy in the mizzy is 911... FLAME THAT ... BEE-OTCH!!!!

[MrScorpio]

130. Another old timer here

It won't hurt to be civil

[gate of the sun]

131. I stopped posting during the last Presidential election

I sweep through the headline almost everyday, but I don't want to start posting through this election and see the same B.S. happen. It is not about Democrat or Republican it is about the truth about the state of affairs and who is going to represent our concerns. It's about truth, it's about lies, it's about what's not happening here. There is no sacred cow unless that cow is our freedom express train.

[hedgetrimmer]

132. Carlo, Carlos come out where-ever you are! Or The Magistrate...

[Festivito]

134. Not all long time DUers were worthy, and may not be today either.

If you counter someone offering their age as reasoning, you argue the wrong topic with the wrong person. Pick another.

[JCMach1]

135. well-said- also, what is 'long-time' in the digital world these days anyway

2 months?