CNN: "Global warming: A natural cycle or human result?", complete with Richard Lindzen quotes

[Harper_is_Bush]

Global warming: A natural cycle or human result?

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But why it is occurring and what that means for the future is scientifically and politically contentious. (emphasis mine)

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But there are those who do not share his view, and among the skeptics is Richard Lindzen, a professor of atmospheric sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

"We've suddenly taken to reading tea leaves," he said. "When we saw cooling from 1940 to 1970, we were proclaiming global cooling. Since then, there's been a few tenths of global warming, so we're proclaiming global warming."

He believes the current warming trend is the result of natural variability, where a planet goes through phases of warming and cooling and the human contribution to it is minimal.

"The Earth is always getting colder and warmer," he said. "It's always changing. In fact, this is true of any fluid-covered planet."

Asked about glacial melt, which many observers point to as evidence of global warming, Lindzen said the way glaciers change and move are phenomena largely unexplained.

"We don't know why, but it's perfectly clear that glaciers change even though the temperature is cooling at the place that they've occurred," he said. "What we're doing is cherry picking any event that occurs and then saying that's occurring due to global warming."

http://us.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/07/11/globalwarming.overview/index.html


ISN'T IT GREAT THE "MOST TRUSTED NAME IN NEWS" IS PRESENTING BOTH SIDES OF THE "SCIENTIFICALLY CONTENTIOUS" GLOBAL WARMING!!!

BE SURE TO LET THEM KNOW HOW MUCH YOU APPRECIATE LOOKING OUT FOR US AND MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT ONLY "MANY" AND "MOST" SCIENTISTS ACCEPT THAT HUMANS ARE CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING.....BUT THAT THERE ARE SOME "SCIENTISTS" WHO DO NOT AGREE.

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEM EXAMINE THE CREDENTIALS AND PAST RESEARCH AND SPECIFIC CLAIMS OF THE "SCIENTISTS" THAT DON'T AGREE.

CAN YOU?

ASK THEM TO DO SO HERE: http://us.cnn.com/feedback/ (I'm sure we can "trust" them to report the truth, huh?)

OR JUST ASK THEM TO STOP BEING SO LAZY AND IRRESPONSIBLE AND TREAT THE ISSUE FOR WHAT IT IS: A REALITY THAT IS ONLY QUESTIONED BY DISHONEST SNAKE-OIL SALESMEN WHO HAVE NOTHING TO SAY AND MANY OF WHOM GET OIL/COAL INDUSTRY MONEY.

Sorry for yelling. This is really starting to burn me.

[spanone]

1. What's next..."Scientists debate which 7 days God created World"??

i am always amused at cnn declaring themselves the most trusted name in news....hardly a bumpersticker

[valerief]

2. Why aren't they reporting the Rapture Index anymore? I mean, CNN is

Christian Network Newz.

[theoldman]

3. I will bet that he does not believe in evolution either.

[Gregorian]

4. The engineers I know who don't believe it,

say that it's our inaccurate measuring and inaccurate modeling. And that, like in the 60's when we claimed there was global cooling, this too will just be temporary.

And I call bullshit. The god damned ice caps are dissolving.

Here is my bottom line argument. If I am blindfolded, and someone tells me there is a cliff ahead, I am not going to continue running. I mean, if we're wrong, and we curb our consumption (which undoubtedly is killing the environment), then we will have accomplished something good.

The problem is, our comfort is threatened. This is a problem that only each one of us can take on. No Al Gore, or any other central figure, is going to do it. Although they may make a great stride in getting us TO DO IT. And it's up to us to NOT DO what we've been doing.

Anyways. End of subject. I'm off for a bike ride.


Edit- And by the way, I don't recall any massive collection of scientists talking about global cooling. And if they were, our modeling WAS poor back then. Geez.

[Harper_is_Bush]

6. There were none. Have a read at that 1975 Newsweek article:

http://www.resiliencetv.fr/uploads/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

Note that although the article does say there's "massive evidence" in support of predictions of climate change, it cites no study or research in that regard.

In fact, the only reptable science they quote, a report from the NAS, makes a point of saying that scientists don't know what's happening, and don't even "know enough to pose the key questions".

The idea of 1975 global cooling fears by scientists is a myth, based almost completely on this article.

Anyone using that to paint climatologists as climate flip floppers should be hung by the heals and smacked with bamboo.

[Gregorian]

14. What a weird article. I don't even know what to say.

They say that scientists are almost all in agreement, and then they claim to have sparse data.

1975 was like a different world compared to now. PC's hadn't been invented. Software wasn't even a word.

Yeah, it's hard for me to remain calm while listening to dipshits spout their crap. And engineers at that. That is what makes me very worried. Most people are totally unaware of what the consequences of their actions are. I was very lucky to grow up in a vigilant and intelligent household. I don't know of anyone who was running around like my dad, in 1962, telling their kids to turn off lights because of the energy they required. And not just because of cost. But because of the future of energy reserves on the planet. I guess I grew up in a weird house.

[StClone]

7. Engineers are not true Scientists

They are technicians. Engineers are often the most closed-minded Conservatives around and with their credentials they feel they deserve deference. Many are enlightened but I've met too many of the rock hard cases especially my BIL.

[StClone]

8. Global Cooling (Dimming) was occurring then as it is now

It's pretty easy to understand if you have the right information.

[defendandprotect]

9. Agree -- but I also think that right wing propaganda and the absence of strong . . . .

liberal voices on this calling the public to meaningful change -- total societal change --
keeps much from happening --

For instance, we should nationalize our natural resources --
We should expose and fine ExxonMobil for their lies and distortions on Global Warming --

We should get electric cars on our roads -- we can change to all electric in five years --
Even if we have to have Congress raise a manufacturing company to do it --
evidently GM doesn't want to --
See: "Who Killed The Electric Car?"

We could replace 20% of the gas-guzzlers on our roads every year --
We could subsidize both ends of this -- manufacturer and buyer

We need to stop running our groceries -- veggies/fruits -- across thousands of miles every year--
bringing local produce to market.

We need to stop the violence and pollution of animal-eating/dairy --
And, especially, the mega farms polluting our air, water, streams, rivers ---

Those "liberals" who speak out on this issue are either severely underinformed on GW or being dishonestly about what they know --

Human is threatened --
Nor will the planet survive --

Imagine that -- a species so stupid that has destroyed its own planet -- !!!

[Gregorian]

15. Absolutely.

We've sat on our fat asses far too long. Every single war was a means to retain our comfort. We had the ability, and we were well on our way, to having efficient cars back in the mid 70's. But I stood there appalled to see that instead of Americans waking up, the Japanese made bigger engines to suit our rigid desires. Now look. Superchargers, and monstrous horsepowers. We're up into the 300 plus horsepower on these stinking new cars. But it's much more than the car. And it's much more than just consumption. And most of people's awareness comes from above. So not having honest leadership has caused even greater apathy and ignorance. But then, with that honesty would come a crushing blow to the economy. For a while. This is the addict side of things. Every day I say to myself that we live in a society of automotive addicts. I look out my window at the pathetic idiots in their cars with eight cylinder engines. No price would be too much for gas. Just look at crack cocaine. People will pay anything to fuel their addictions.

I say we're a sick nation.

And then the big issue. The population. And that goes to the most personal aspect. Sex and personal freedom. Don't even go near it. Not even on this forum. And after all, what can we do about it? Even Gore doesn't bring it up. Even he has four kids. If we all did that, the world would be 12 billion people.

I don't think we can solve these problems. Not with the degree of blindness that exists. All we can do is try. Try, and hope that we don't suffer any more than we have to. After all, most people don't seem to even be bothered by this stuff. I seem to be one of the few who is disturbed. And even that tells me that the very thought of this, the very act of observing, is too uncomfortable for most people. To be responsible would mean no children, no traveling, not driving. It's heretical. How dare I even entertain such ridiculous thinking.

[depakid]

5. CNN is pretty much the AOL of TV land

At this point, they'll say almost anything to "catch up" with Fox "news."

[defendandprotect]

10. Anyone still watching CNN is probably looking for lies --

so they don't have to get up off the couch and do something --

I doubt they mentioned ExxonMobil, either --
A few months ago the Royal Academy of Scientists called out ExxonMobil for their lies and distortions and misinformation re Global Warming over decades --
paid for with tens of millions of dollars.

So over decades we've all been lied to by an oil company which controls OUR natural resources -- ???
And, their lies will now result in the loss of humanity and the planet.

The elite are suicidally greedy --

[tom_paine]

11. Next on CNN: 1 + 1 =2 or 1+ 1 =3, which is correct?

"Some Liberals maintain that 1 + 1 = 2, but Loyal Bushies say they are crazy moonbats who are abusing science..."

[Harper_is_Bush]

12. The "most trusted name in news my ass". They're lazy & gutless, unwilling to embrace the truth if

it means they'll be attacked by the rightwing.

[Maestro]

13. Lindzen has been bought and paid for

by Big Oil. He's scum. He ignores what science says to parrot what his handlers pay him for. He disgusts me.