The Republican Party is DOA

[cali]

It's the demographics. As the US becomes increasingly diverse, the unhinged xenophobia of the repukes, the fact that young people are rejecting them and the party is aging, their scandals, the paucity of ideas that look to the future, the west becoming bluer, all indicate that they're screwed in '08. Dems will likely pick up 4-6 seats in the Senate, and 12+ in the House. Then we can start in on changing the party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. I wish I could share the optimism

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. agreed. I wish we could also

replace 4-6 senators and 12 congresscritters on the D side, and insert real Dems in their place.

[rucky]

2. That's why they've been acting like cornered animals...

for the past 12 years. The days of the rich white-haired guy are numbered (not you, Sen. Dodd).

[bluerum]

3. They continue to poison the air and water with their rotting flesh.

[BeFree]

5. Take away their election thefts

and they'd have been buried years ago.

So what have you done/are doing to take away their voting machines? I imagine not much.

[cali]

15. Yes, I think it's a problem

No I don't think that they've stolen all the elections for years. No, I haven't done much about it. My state doesn't have a voting machine problem.

[BeFree]

16. What?

The election thefts aren't on your radar? You think America elected bushco, fair and square? Crazy, just fucking crazy.

[cali]

19. Yeah, it would be fucking crazy if I said anything remotely

like that, but I didn't. I said, yes it's a problem. No, I don't think they've been stealing elections for years and years. And no, it's not a problem in my state. Yes, I think they stole it in 2000. No I don't think they stole it in 2004. And duh, they didn't steal it in 2006. So, to recap, and put it in the simplest of terms: I think voting machines are a problem. I'm for paper ballots. I think they stole it in 2000, not in 2004 or 2006. Not saying there wasn't an attempt. Not saying they won't try again. Don't believe it's a big threat in 2008 for complex reaons.

[BeFree]

21. Complex reasons, eh?

So you think America voted for bushco in 2004? Yes?

Geez are you uneducated, or maybe uneducatable, I dunno.

But if you really think bushco won, fair and square, in 2004, maybe it is something else. I see you post a lot. An awful lot. But I don't recall you ever posting in the DU ER forum. Have you ever read the tremendous works members have placed there? I doubt it, cuz if you had you'd have a clue. But you are clueless.

You tnink bushco won fair and square in 2004? Crazy.

[cali]

26. C'mon, if you're gonna fling adhoms at me

try and be a teeny bit original. Yeah, I don't agree with exhalted you, so I must be ignorant and uneducated, or or whatever. And sometimes I post a lot- like the last couple of week, and sometimes I don't post for months at a time. So the fuck what. Just because I haven't posted in ER, doesn't mean I haven't read widely on the subject of the 2004 elections, and yes, I believe there was fraud in Ohio, and other places, but NOT enough to steal the election.

Face it John Kerry ran a singularly uninspired campaign, from the cringe worthy moment of "reporting for duty" to the refusal to vigorously defend against the swift boat cretins.

Yes, I believe more people voted for bush in 2004 than for Kerry.

No, that doesn't make me crazy or ignorant. It means we have a difference of opinion. Attacking those who don't agree with you on a personal level isn't, by the way, tremendously persuasive speech.

[BeFree]

30. You are entitled

To your opinions, but not your own facts. And there is no way in hell you can show facts of bushco winning in 2004, but had you studied you would have found hundreds of facts of a Kerry win.

Obviously you haven't studied, so I have to wonder why, hence my retort. And you haven't said anything to convince anyone that you are educated, or have the facts.

But the fact is that you BELIEVE bushco won the majority of the peoples' votes. I find that to be crazy, mainly because the facts show otherwise.

[cali]

32. You can't prove it. The evidence is not conclusive.

I have read quite a bit, and a lot of assertions did NOT get backed up.

Kerry ran a lousy campaign. It shouldn't even have been close enough to steal.

[BeFree]

34. And now

Here you are burying the GOP. See, this doesn't compute. They still have the machines and yet you say they are DOA. I call bullshit, and since you are a denier of the facts, you have a shaky case to be calling them DOA.

I am so sick of people saying the GOP is down when all that they've been doing is crushing us. We are losing, and starry eyed dreamers like you who say Kerry is a loser really piss me off. K?

[cali]

38. LOL!

2006. do explain.

[NanceGreggs]

6. Agreed.

They're definitely screwed in 2008 - for the reasons you've mentioned, as well as the stench of BushCo which they've failed to distance themselves from.

I think the GOP will have to completely redefine and re-establish their "brand" as something appealing to the voters - and that won't happen overnight. They've got a long, hard row to hoe.

[Swamp Rat]

7. In the long run, yes.

Be prepared for the GOP to do some real evil shit in the next few years as they try to hang onto power.

[Perry Logan]

8. Young voters of today are the most Democratic generation in U.S. history. What a nice bunch of kids!

[Quixote1818]

9. I just hope not too many Dems are corrupt by the Corporations too.

If so then this Country is history.

[rurallib]

10. Like Bob Dylan once said

I want them buried in the ground and then I want to sit on top of the grave to make sure they don't come back.
Wish I could be so sure they were dead. Appears to take only one to stop legislation in congress.

[Venus Dog]

11. They've been DOA for a long time - that's why they have to steal elections

They are aligned with the corporate thieves who are their puppet masters. They make money through corrupt thievery, basically stealing our hard-earned money, i.e. Enron, banking, & others, no-bid contracts to their corrupt buddies. It's a whole inner circle and you and I are not part of it. The majority of Americans are NOT Republicans. They've managed with the help of their puppet, the MSM, to make us believe that they are the majority. It's all a big con job and when you really get to peek behind the curtain - these people are despicable criminals - there are none lower. They're right down their with the child molesters - all of them.

THEY HAVE TO STEAL ELECTIONS because they already know they are DOA.

[opihimoimoi]

33. YUP.....LandSlide here we COME.....Pubs are toast...but in DeNial.....

The Price to pay for having

Bad Answers

POOR Answers

NO ANSWERS

GUESS ANSWERS

[elfin]

12. Watch it arise from the grave if Hillary is our nominee..

It will be like a shot of adrenalin plus cardiac defib. Fresh transfusions of lots of hate money will give the hatemongers at least one more term.

That's all they need to solidify the Supremes for at least another generation of corporatism and bigotry.

Yes the demgraphics seem to bode for progressive growth -- BUT with vote jamming and splintering along with apathy , they can continue to wreak havoc on us and the world.

[11 Bravo]

Deceitful Old Assholes?

[Wiley50]

13. Don't Trust That It's Really Dead Until You Drive A Wooden Stake Through It's Heart

Vampires are very good at playing dead

[Yavin4]

14. The Candidacy of Fred Thompson Proves Your Theory

The Republicans are stuck in the Reagan era. They're still looking for the next Reagan instead of broadening their appeal. It's been almost 20 years since Reagan's presidency and most young voter don't really have a clue about it. In addition, young people are graduating high school and college with less and less opportunities and more and more debt. Even the ones that are able to find a job right out of school cannot start life out on their own given their debts and the cost of housing.

The Republicans have no answers for the future.

[applegrove]

17. Thank you for your strength and beliefs. We don't get enough reality

checks like this on the DU these days. :pals:

[cali]

20. thanks for the kind words!

[BlooInBloo]

18. With Democrats picking up steam in the plains states, the gop is basically just a regional party....

... The south is all they got. They can have it.

[tom_paine]

22. First off, to think evil authoritarianism would die out EVER is unrealistic

Or are you suggesting that Social Dominators and their murderous, weak-minded Right-Wing Authoritarian Followers are going to find another vehicle for their ambitions after they have gotten SO CLOSE to everything Hitler dreamed, and the Final Solution to the Liberal Problem is probably just a generation or two away (just wait until the oil runs out and the economy collapses...THEN you will see what has been masked by the bright dazzle of our nation's material wealth - that the Imperial Subjects of Amerika are nearly mentally indentical to the Nazis and Good Germans who brought Old Hitler to power)?

No, I am afraid your assertion is ludicrously optimistic.

Not that the demographics you point at are incorrect, but the fact is that is WHY the Bushies couldn't before ending the Old American Republic, lest their big chance to seize it pass away.

If you think these monsters are going ANYWHERE, especially now that they are so close to their Final Solution for Amerika, you've got another thing coming.

I hope you are right, but I am nearly 98% certain that, given the historic trends, the advancement of mental atrophy and press deacy, all of it, it cannot happen.

[cali]

25. No, of course not. Nor did I suggest it.

But it takes time to build another vehicle, and the repub party is in really bad shape. Don't take my word for it, do some research on the demographics issue.

I have no idea what will hppen when oil runs out in a few decades. Could be complete cultural collapse, could be that there's solutions.

I don't believe in monsters. I believe that there are human who do great damage who are guided by a desire for power and greed. Of coure they're not going anywhere.

A for your 98% certainty, I'd say that given historical trend, you're wrong.

[tom_paine]

28. Tyrants don't need demographics to stay in power, they don't need votes

(well in this particular case, they need 35% to give them cover for that big 51-49% "win" in the counted "votes" but that's what the Hitlerian Propaganda is for, to ensure their cult members can NEVER escape, can NEVER even hear anything but what the cult tells them)

The Republic Party IS in bad shape, but only if Amerika 2007 was America 1945-2000, which it isn't.

It's a wholy different nation with a wholly different system (of no checks and no balances) of government.

You're comment about not believing in monsters is funny to me. It is merely a question of semantics, if you ask me.

You say that there are human beings who can do great damage being guided by power and greed.

I say, anyone who could allow power and greed to override their conscience and morality to murder a million, is a monster. Semantics. You can call them flutergork if you want to, they will still be what they are.

I would be intersted, though, if you could specify what historic trends you see that give hope.

I am not being facetious. With the New Nazis almost totally in control and the Democrats playing at being the 1933 German Social Democrats, I don't see anything of it.

Please share, I could use the hope.

[cali]

31. Nah, it's not semantics. Not to me.

And in fact one of the reasons I try not to ever dehumanize people verbally, is because the Nazis did it.

Look, about the Nazi thing. Can comparisons be made sure, but it seems as if you're trying to fit everything into that comparison. I don't believe the dems are the equivalent of the German Social Democrats. And there's a lot else I don't think fits.

Maybe I feel that way because of where I live. No doubt it's different here. My state senate passed a resolution to impeach. Problems like global warming aren't ignored here even by the repukes.
Maybe it's just easier to be hopeful when you live in a hopeful place.

[tom_paine]

35. Ok, I understand and respect your posititon, I just disagree with it

The reason that I am fitting those things in is because they fit, for the most part.

Do I make mistakes, faulty analogies, or mess up? Of course I do.

But just lately, because I was truly curious about how crazy the Bush-Hitler thing was . I have read and am reading "Defying Hitler" by Haffner and "I Will Bear Witness" by Klemperer.

There are not a whole lot of "on the ground" accounts of the Rise of Hitler. Even the Diary of Anne Frank, an amazing book, still fails in this reagrd because she lived hidden in an attic, she could not report very much on what was going on outside, attitudes of regular people and day-to-day regular life.

Well, now I have a glimpse into it, and it is as I thought. By and large, everything was very "normal", even in Nazi Germany 1935 or 1936. People went to work, took trips and chatted. The Germans didn't suddenly grow horns and go hogwild in an orgy of murder.

Actually, Klemperer's book, and to a lesser degree haffner's, reads like any week's DU boards. Hitler's up, Hitler's down. Depressed. Excited, he can't last much longer. THIS scandal will finally detroy him. Despondent. Hitler stronger than ever and cannot be stopped.

Even as late as July 1941, sympathetic Germans behaving kindly whenever it was possible to the Liberal Jew Klemperer. Not the sort of thing you expect to read in such a book.
Because I now have this wealth of new data, my convictions on the Bush-Hitler, Bushie-Nazi similarities are strengthened.

Don't believe me? Read the book for yourself:

http://www.amazon.com/Will-Bear-Witness-1933-1941-Paperbacks/dp/0375753788

I stand behind my words and I am now reinforced by more "raw data" (well, something approaching that, anyway)

NOTE: I will admit that I have no more data on the similarities of our Democrats to the German Social Democrats because Klemperer's diary, this book anywqay, starts January 1933, and the Social Democrats didn't have another year to be around (and most of them, to live). Klemperer says nothing of them, and Haffner says little on poltical machinations at the Reichstag level, his concentrates on his own smaller world moreso than Klemperer.

So we must agree to disgree. I am more convinced than ever. I might suggest you reading Klemperer and then Haffner because I would be very interested to read your observations aftewards.

One last question, regarding dehumanization, yoru views upon which I happen to agree with in most sitautions in life for the same reasons.

However, I might ask you: Was the Jew who called the Nazi a monster or did unethical things to fight them, as wrong as the Nazis for doing the same things? Was the Jew who tried to hold onto his non-dehumanization beliefs but ultimately failed when the reality of what he faced sunk in, was that Jew wrong for doing so?

I don't know how this is going to end, except to say the Bushie Final Solution to the Liberal Problem probably won't involve industrialized death camps. Industrialized Slave Labor Camps where Arabs and Liberals die an awful lot from the work and the bad food and medical care, maybe.

[cali]

36. I have a book for you.

I've read Klemperer. Have you read Diary of a Man in Dispair? It's extraordinary, and given where you're coming from, I think you'd appreciate it.

The author's name is: Friedrich Reck-Malleczewen

Here's a brief blip:'

This is the true and compelling diary of an anti-Nazi Prussian aristocrat who lived through mankind's darkest era, only to die in a concentration camp on the eve of the Armistice. Though not widely known, the diary is considered one of the most important documents of this period, describing in unforgettable terms how a psychosis enveloped an entire society, enabling Hitler's rise to power, and the Nazi regime. This accurate account of the forebodings of an unsung visionary exposes in chilling... (see more)

And another:

Strange Defeat by Marc Bloch.

Bloch was a Franco-Jewish historian- a much reknowned historian, one of the founders of the Annales School of history. He was also in the French Resistance and was killed by the Gestapo. Strange Defeat is about the fall of France and the Resistance. He wrote another remarkable book of historiograpy: The Craft of History. Not to mention his works on medieval history.

[tom_paine]

39. I'll have to look for it at the library. Amazon wants $23.00 minimum for a paperback

:wtf:

First time I've ever seen any crazy pricing likethat. Maybe it has to do with the Third World weakness of the Amerikan Dollar and the fact that it's an English book.

I mean...I knew the dollar was weak, and for good reason (we don't make anything, we have endured almost seven years of constant looting of the Treasury and economy), but I didn't realize it was THAT weak.

Anyway, I was actually going to order it tonite, but will have to wait to try to finde it at the library.

[TankLV]

23. Don't count them out yet. Never underestimate the repuke party...

They are like a vampire - they have a habit of rising from the "dead" after being out of site for awhile...

[lpbk2713]

24. RW hatemonger radio will resuscitate the patient for as long as possible.

The RW propagandists will always find their niche.

[bridgit]

27. that is my belief as well, it is for the dems to lose...

[spanone]

29. K&R

[Nimrod2005]

37. Is it all reflected in the Oleily ratings?

MUSt be 89 at least to watch his show?

[LaPera]

40. But the Dems keep resuscitation going - Refusing to kill their evil lying corporate ideology. WHY?

Because we are liberal, tolerant, and its our destiny and ideology to give them the benefit of the doubt and allow them to breath and inevitably become the lying vindictive hateful greedy monster theyll become... We try stupidly accepting them....falsely believing we can tame these wicked monsters, also consistently allowing them the right to fairness, though we know they will only rise with our tolerance to destroy us again. The republicans know we will be fair as they laugh and take advantage, slime crawls in to destroy us... and we fucking know their ideology dictates destroying us, still, we will always let them in the door....give them fairness, because we are liberal, progressive, yet they cant help but to destroy whats right....And we will NEVER let them die....though the world would be so much better off if we did!

[Major Hogwash]

41. Oh, this is so true, but we need to keep the pressure headon - apply directly to the forehead.

I mean if the thundering dolts don't get it by now, they never will.
Screw the 28% of them that support Shrub and mow them over, move them out of the way, go around them, and get it done for Chrissakes.

There are 22 seats up for grabs in the Senate presently occupied by Republicans.
Hagel is retiring from the Senate, he's had enough.
Warner said he's had enough last week.
Craig's replacement will be replaced in 2008.
Allard of Colorado is also retiring.
Allen is already history.
Santorum is just a memory.

By 2009, you won't even recognize half of the new guys in the Senate.
They have 22 seats up for re-election next year and we are going after all of them!
We don't want a "safe 60" veto-proof Senate, we want a "solid 70" on cruise-control Senate.
We want such a large majority, that the minority Republicans that are left will be irrelevant in 2009.
The same way that Bush said that the UN was "irrelevant" about his plan to invade Iraq in 2003.

[Lasher]

42. Do people seem a little snippy, or is it just my imagination?

Think I'll go hide in the lounge.

:hide:

[Hippo_Tron]

43. Wrong attitude, if you don't believe me look at the 1988 election

Dukakis walked out of the Democratic National Convention with a 17 point lead over Poppy and blew it.

We have a very good chance at winning in 2008. But lets not get overconfident.