Of These Democrats Which One Would You Like To See Quit The Race?

[ThomWV]

Of the following Democrats who have or may be in the race for the nomination to be the Candidate of the Party which would you like to see quit the race, call it a day, pull up and go home?

[Mojambo]

1. This would be what is commonly referred to as a douche chill. n/t

[Initech]

176. Ha ha ha ha ha...

I can spot Arrested Development references a mile away! :rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

2. LOL! Why not just name the thread I Hate Hilary Clinton, and be done with it?

[otherlander]

3. Uh.... He doesn't get to decide who everyone votes for.

[BlooInBloo]

10. I didn't come even remotely close to suggesting that he/she did.

[otherlander]

13. So how is starting this poll hating Hillary Clinton?

[BlooInBloo]

15. How does that question relate to what you intially said, o-goalpost-mover?

[otherlander]

16. You said that this thread

should be named "I Hate Hillary Clinton". But the O.P. never said anything against her. The majority of people voted against her, but since the original poster didn't choose for them to vote that way, he/she isn't expressing anything resembling hatred.

[tom_paine]

56. Well said and true. This isn't an I Hate Hillary thread

People REALLY DISLIKE HER.

She is a triangulator at a time when that strategy is morally bankrupt in the face of Bushie-Nazi tyranny.

Hell, I had a co-worker WHO HATES the Bushies as much as I do. She said to me, "I will NEVER vote for Hillary."

I sputtered. I gasped. "What the hell are you talking about? You would give up the Superme Court, allow all the Nazification/Bushification to cement and become permanent, etc. etc., etc.?"

Finally I asked, "Why?"

Her reply was, "Never trust a woman who will overlook a cheating husband. It shows lack of character."

OK DUers, you wanna flame her? Flame away! But she has the right to her opinion, she is a Democratic Voter who is MOTIVATED and SEES THROUGH BUSHIE LIES.

And she will NEVER vote for Hillary because this woman views it as weak character to let something like that slide, "If I ever found out my husband was cheating on me? Instant Divorce."

This I guarantee, she is NOT alone in this feeling, and there may literally be millions of women who feeli the same way. And her vote should be a slam-dunk for ANY Democratic nominee in 2008. But it isn't...not for Hillary.

And this poll, which is unbiased in it's semantic structure, no matter what the wounded pride of Hillary supports says, confirms that disliking Hillary for any number of valid reasons (and some invalid, as I believe my co-worker's was...there is NO valid reason not to vote for the Democratic Nominee in 2008, whoever it is, against ThomBush) is real.

[never_get_over_it]

104. Wow what an interesting statement....

"Never trust a woman who will overlook a cheating husband. It shows lack of character."

I have a friend who feels the same way although she has not articulated it this way. And I'm not completely sure I believe a woman who forgives marital infidelity shows a lack of character because there could be many legitimate reasons NOT to end a marriage under these circumstances most notably children to be raised....

BUT what struck me so much by your co-worker's statement is that Hillary's lack of character - is exactly WHY I CAN'T STAND HER - lack of character as in she stands for nothing but election - including standing up toj Bill for humiliating her so - and I do believe in my heart of hearts she didn't throw him to the curb for political motivations - but not my choice not my call - just found your co-workers statement VERY interesting....

As to this poll when I opened it I NEVER EXPECTED the results - but when I saw it I realized that is exactly how I feel and so I voted this way - of all the Dem candidates I will have the hardest time voting for Hillary in the general election - and if I end up having to do it - it will break my heart - I'm also VERY afraid that she can not win - but with the money she has and the MSM hype I don't know how her nomination can be stopped.....her candidacy also breaks my heart as I have waited and wanted a woman President ALL my life - and I can't even begin to support her - but because of the Supreme Court I will vote for her in the general election....

[ThomWV]

4. Actually that wasn't my intention at all, and neither was it the outcome I expected

To be honest with you I expected to see Joe Biden or maybe Chris Dodd to get the most votes. As for myself I would also pick someone other than Hillary as my first choice to leave, though to be honest she would be second or third to go on my list.

[BlooInBloo]

11. "I don't think anyone could have anticipated...." - LOL!

[baby_mouse]

74. Even if the OP DID anticipate a negative response, he left the poll's content to DU.

The absolute *opposite* of a simple hate-thread, I think you'll find.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

113. Not so funny. The OP started a poll without any show of bias whatsoever. If you're not pleased

with the direction the poll has taken, I can understand that, but to place blame on the OP and saying he created a Hillary hating thread, is uncalled for.

[Zhade]

119. You should title your post "I think you're a liar".

Jesus, some of you just can't take that Clinton is not beloved by many, many liberals.

[BlooInBloo]

130. What a bizarre statement, since I'm one of the many, many liberals who doesn't love her.

EDIT: And then to suggest that I should break DU rules. How weird.

[Yael]

91. At the time of this post, it is 205 votes, 75%

Although I am not a Hillary supporter, this surprised me. When I saw the thread title, I figured Biden, Dodd or Gravel.

Thread after thread here talks about how polarizing she is within our own party. For people to pull for her to leave first to me isn't a statement about her capabilities, it is a statement of fear.

Rephrased, we know that ChrisJoeMike are out by February, so it is a non-issue (other than less than focused debates). She is perceived AS an issue.

Right, wrong, or indifferent.

You don't hear that same kind of talk about the other candidates. Must be a reason for it.

[CTyankee]

101. Why didn't you include "None. They all add something to the debate"?

That would get my vote. I want to hear ALL of their voices. Not one of them says nothing that is of interest. I welcome all points of debate because I truly believe we will win in 08. All of them have ideas that are right on whereas the Repubs got nothin' and the voting public knows it.

Right now I'd like it to be John Edwards but if Hillary wins we'll be galaxies ahead of this life under Republicans. And I won't cry over it either. We'll have our first woman president and this means a lot to me as a mother of 2 daughters and 3 granddaughters.

We Dems should not be talking about fewer voices. We should be encouraging MORE discussion, more ideas to help solve our problems. Healthy debate is what it's all about!

[Richard Steele]

17. So you're saying an evenhanded, unbiased poll question equals "hating Hillary"?

:shrug:

[Tesha]

69. (Some people can't handle the truth, so they try to rationalize it away.) (NT)

[Stephanie]

106. that would be "bashing" Hillary.

try to get it right...

[Richard Steele]

115. No, no...I wouldn't want to be accused of misquoting someone, would I?

You know how that sort of thing goes.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. I love Senator Clinton..... however......

Despite the fact that I'd love her as my neighbor, wish I had her brains, think she's witty, brilliant, beautiful, and a good person, I think she is the WORST candidate for the Democrats for countless reasons, not the least of which is this is a sexist country and there's no way in HELL the people of this country will vote for a female president. Not for decades, maybe centuries. I have more reasons, but that's the biggest one.

[Flabbergasted]

5. "Quite the Race"?

[scarletwoman]

6. You still have time to edit your subject line so it says "quit" instead of "quite". (nt)

[Hardrada]

8. Or maybe it should be "quiet" the race!

[BlooInBloo]

12. Beat me to it. :)

[TahitiNut]

7. How about "None of the above"?

:shrug:

[leftchick]

9. oh my!

the M$M choice is tanking so far. What a shock! :eyes:

[jobycom]

14. I don't want anyone to quit the race. That's why we have a race. nt

[defendandprotect]

140. Agree -- we need more candidates in this -- less DLC candidates -- !!!

[YellowRubberDuckie]

18. Honestly?

I really can't call any of them my candidate. They're all being spineless and talking way too much about nothing productive.
Duckie

[superkia]

55. Theres a guy named Kucinich talking out for the people!

[YellowRubberDuckie]

75. And he, frankly, has as much chance of becoming president...

As I do.
Duckie

[Zhade]

120. Yep. Sadly, there are a lot of misguided people in this country who think they're liberal...

...when they're yesterday's conservatives.

[TahitiNut]

170. Indeed ... with all the appeal of second-hand, warmed-over spit.

:shrug:

[defendandprotect]

141. Like IMPEACHMENT it isn't guaranteed success, it's raising the issues + information ---

[Cleita]

19. So if most Democrats aren't that hot on Hillary, what

is her voter base? How does she expect to win? Is it because Bill will be back in the White House, even if in a domestic role?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. What Makes You Think She's Not Popular With Rank And File Democrats

Anecdotally most of my friends are Democrats and they like Hillary and more substantially she's doing well in the polls...

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

25. She is popular with a few MSM only informed Dems in my family.

They do not get what I'm telling them. Plus, many long time republicans in my region are pushing for her, wanting her to make it to the General.
Turnip truck? Not me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Some Of My Friends Are Active In The Party And They Support Her

She's not my first choice but she's better than any Republican...

[Tesha]

71. When a Democrat defends Hillary by saying...

When a Democrat defends Hillary by saying "she's better
than any Republican", you *KNOW* we're in trouble.

You might as well have said "yeah, she sucks, but less
than any Republican". Do you really think that sort of
sentiment or the candidate who inspires that sentiment
in you, a loyal Democrat, will inspire Republicans or
even independents to vote for her?

We can do better.

We should do better.

We *MUST* do better.

Tesha

[leftchick]

73. the "lesser of two evils vote" again

AGAIN! No thank you!

[defendandprotect]

142. Hillary is Right-Wing -- and DLC Democrat -- No thanks -- !!!

[LiberalAndProud]

150. By all means, let us trust the polls.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=732

[leftchick]

23. it doesn't matter

Corporations win with Hillary or a repub. That is the explanation for the Murdoch backing.

[creeksneakers2]

108. Murdoch isn't backing Hillary

His media outlets are ferociously out to get Hillary.

[leftchick]

109. oh really?

why did he host a fundraiser for her?

Murdoch Defends Plan to Host Hillary Fundraiser; Calls Her 'Effective, Good Senator'

http://www.humanevents.com/blog-detail.php?id=14727

[creeksneakers2]

111. Probably because she was his Senator when he threw it

Rupert knows there is nothing he can do about Hillary being his Senator. He can oppose her for president though.

For example, here's the New York Post today.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09092007/frontback.htm

Screaming misleading headline that makes it appear as though Bill Clinton is stealing from 9/11 orphans.

[leftchick]

112. lol!

whatever you want to believe. :eyes:

[Zhade]

122. Uh, he raised money for her. You cannot deny that or lie it away.

Yes, he does in fact support her. Sorry to burst your misinformed bubble.

[creeksneakers2]

174. I'm sorry. You are mistaken.

If you had used the past tense you wouldn't have been wrong but would have been misleading. Rupert only raised money for Hillary's Senate campaign in 2006. (see the link a few boxes up @ Leftchick) Rupert made it clear that's all he supported Hillary for.

Rupert doesn't support Hillary now for president. If you want proof, browse the products of his media outlets. There's as much Hillary sliming as there ever has been.

Sorry to bust a core myth of the Hillary bashing movement. I really like your bat kitty.

[BlooInBloo]

24. Are you imagining that DU is remotely representative of Democrats tout court?

[Cleita]

29. If not DU, Thom Hartmann conducted a straw poll on his

show yesterday and Edwards won with Kucinich coming in second. Hillary was near the bottom, so since his audience is broader than DU, what do you make of that?

[BlooInBloo]

32. "self-selected".

[TahitiNut]

44. That'd be sorta like election day at the polls.

:shrug: That's not "scientific" either.

[BlooInBloo]

133. Cute, I suppose, but not relevant to anything in this sub-branch.

[lligrd]

39. I Think In General, The More Informed Democrats Are Less

likely to support Hillary. That would include DUers and Hartmann listeners.

[tom_paine]

57. Bingo. This is not to ay she wouldn;t make a good Pres. if America wasn't fighting tyranny for it's

soul.

But since it is, she is the worst possible (Democratic) candidate for the job under those conditions.

[cascadiance]

87. John Edwards earlier won the endorsement of the Democratic Convention here in California too

I think that supports your theory of informed and involved Democrats being more apt to support someone like Edwards than Clinton.

Clinton is using typical mass media advertising techniques as well as the MSM always framing her as the "likely nominee" to build her support amongst the less informed for those that like to "follow the herd" rather than those that are thinking strategically at this point.

[defendandprotect]

143. I like it -- Kucinich good/Hillary bad ---

[never_get_over_it]

144. Here are the results of the Thom Hartmann poll

Edwards 26 53%
Kucinich 12 24%
Obama 4 8%
Clinton 3 6%
Biden 2 4%
Gore 1 2%
Paul 1 2%

[ProudDad]

147. "what do you make of that?"

Equally as scientifically valid as this one is...

[Zhade]

123. If only this country were that lucky.

NT!

[mudesi]

37. Conservatives (nm)

[gorekerrydreamticket]

121. People who think that voting for HRC will make it the 90's again...

People who think it is a 3rd term for Bill, people who worship celebrity over qualifications, to name a few.

[Zhade]

125. The misinformed, the conservative at heart, the ignorant.

Indeed.

[Tesha]

160. Oh-boy! NAFTA, GATT, DOMA, Internet bubbles, and all Presidential scandals all the time!

> People who think that voting for HRC will make it the 90's again...

Oh-boy! Republican control of both houses of Congress,
NAFTA, GATT, DOMA, DMCA, the Telecommunications
Deregulation Act, Internet bubbles, and on TV, all
Presidential scandals all the time! Golly, that sounds
just peachy keen!

I sure want the '90s back, don't you?

Tesha

[Tesha]

159. Here's an important clue: In NH, we have, essentially, an "open" primary

> So if most Democrats aren't that hot on Hillary, what
> is her voter base?

In NH, we have, essentially, an "open" primary -- anyone
who is registered as "undeclared" on primary day can take
a ballot from either party. (If you're registered in a
party, you can only take that party's ballot.)

The end result is there is a huge swath of NH voters
who are "undeclared" but reliably vote Republican in the
general election. Guess which primary, though, that they
often like to vote in? And when they do vote in the Dem-
ocratic primary, do you suppose they're voting for the
most-electable candidate? I don't think so. It's
actually pretty funny to see guys come into the polling
stations in full camo, obvious wing-nut kind of guys,
nasty, mean, and aggrerssive, and then have them take
a blue Democratic ballot.

(So watch as Hillary wins big in NH.)

That's why the NH primary ought to be abolished as the
lead primary for the Democrats; NH is a terrible state
on which to base a decision as to which Democrat can win
the general election. NH is too white, too right, too
rich, and too Republican, and its primary rules encourage
"monkey wrenching" the other guys.

Tesha

[emilyg]

20. None.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Wheter You Like HRC Or Not

This poll makes about as much sense as saying Peyton Manning should drop out of the MVP race...

[LWolf]

26. I'd like to see 2 quit.

I oppose their candidacies for different reasons, but with equal strength.

HRC/Obama.

[Rydz777]

28. I seriously doubt that anyone here "hates" Hillary Clinton. Hate is

such a simple thing, and it much more complicated than that. There are those of us who are still holding out for Gore, and if she were to drop out, odds would increase that Gore would drop in. There is the worry that in a general election, she would have the Repub base foaming at the mouth and crawling over broken glass to get to the polls, and that Independents would not flock to her - that this promises to be a "change" election, and she is not seen as an agent of change.

Having said that, if she gets the nomination, I will vote for her with pleasure against any Republican.

[creeksneakers2]

105. Gore has higher negatives than Hillary n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

149. ...among hillary supporters. nt

[Time for change]

30. I'd like to see Hillary quit the race so that my candidate will have a better chance of winning

[Forkboy]

33. The poll is turning into a real nailbiter.

:evilgrin:

[TSIAS]

41. Kind of like that Miami/Oklahoma game today

I can rest easy knowing that the winner has already been determined.

[Forkboy]

79. That game was fine by me...as a Boston College fan seeing any ACC team suck is cool.

:)

[Hardrada]

34. I wish I could vote again against HRC and end the suspense.

[Lindsey]

35. Yesterday, on The Thom Hartman show, Edwards won big-time...

the media is force feeding Hillary/Obama to us because they have the worst chances. Edwards has the best so they're trying to say he has no chance. As far as this being a Hiillary bashing thread based on the poll, I disagree. The op simply asked whom we'd least like to least see as the candidate....

[davsand]

36. HRC has high name recognition and high negatives to go with it.

I don't think it is possible to be neutral about her. You either love her or can't STAND her--there just doesn't seem to be any middle ground.

Given her DLC ties, I am not too surprised to see this kind of response here at DU. I doubt that she will win the nomination, but I also don't think she will lose by a big margin with a wider and less progressive electorate.

Just my two cents...


Laura

[Catherine Vincent]

38. Yet another thread that brings out the Hillary-haters.

This poll is unscientifically crap.

[Pastiche423]

42. You believe that DUers giving their opinions

is unscientifically crap?

[lligrd]

47. I Thought I Was An Edwards Hater

Now you're confusing me.

[tom_paine]

58. Well, where are the Hillary supporters to counterbalance it?

n/t

[here_is_to_hope]

90. At church? n/t

[Zhade]

128. Watching Fox News?

NT!

[baby_mouse]

76. As opposed to being scientifically crap?

How can you call it unscientific, is the OP telepathically possessing the voters and forcing them to vote against her or something? You appear to be alleging bias. Biased polls ask misleading questions and make complex issues look simple. How could you distinguishing here between the genuinely held opinions of the posters on this site and your allegedly "biased" *picture* of the sites popular opinion drawn out, presumably, misleadlingly and unscientifically by the OP's poll?

[Zhade]

126. "Wah, they don't like my candidate, they obviously hate her!"

It couldn't have anything to do with her stances, oh no, it's hatred.

Your one-note discourse grows tired.

[jmowreader]

40. I'm going with Gravel here, folks

Once you get past Gravel's (very correct) stand on the war, you're left with a candidate whose stance on taxation makes him absolutely useless and dangerous in my eyes.

[TheUniverse]

50. I wouldn't say he's dangerous.

Yeah his Fair Tax plan is crappy, but this guy has no chance of winning. He is one of the few candidates in the debates who will speak the truth, so for that reason I like him, even though I know I wouldn't ever vote for him.

[windbreeze]

43. I don't hate Hillary....

I just don't want her for my president...and I don't understand why that equates with hating her somehow...???? anyone care to explain that phenomena??wb

[Bluebear]

45. Well, that was close. nt

[windbreeze]

46. and that....was an astute observation...n/t

[Bluebear]

49. :)

[TheUniverse]

48. Hillary Clinton.

It's hard to tell any difference between her and current GOP frontrunner Rudy Giuliani. This war needs to end, and the Democratic Party need to elect someone who has a clear plan to end this war. We do not need Hillary style pandering. I really really hope a true anti war candidate wins the primaries because I cannot see myself voting for someone who I think will continue the war.

[LaPera]

51. You got it! Going for the idiot moderate Kansas type uninformed low IQ what the media tells them

that she will win, the know nothing voter, sheep... (and they believe, not unlike Limbaugh sheep.... believe its their own choice) NO...its the television medias that you watch! This is not a football game.

[RaleighNCDUer]

151. The very constituency she is going for is the same constituency

that will be most easily turned against her in the general election by Republican slanders. She is actively campaigning for the middle, the uncommitted, the ones who vote (when they vote) for the person with the loudest and most recent voice. And the republicans have long since mastered the art of feeding those voters what they want.

Hillary will never hold the middle if she is the nominee - she will have the DLC dems and a few of the rest of us who manage to vote one-handed while holding our noses; she will not get any republicans, the greens, the independents or the hard-core left dems, and millions of liberal dems will not be motivated to show at the polls; while the republican base will be motivated and will come out in droves to give the democrats their worst drubbing since McGovern.

[The Doctor.]

52. "Popular is as Popular does..."

How amusing.

[tom_paine]

53. Holy crap! I...AM...STUNNED

(Full disclosure, I voted for Hillary, too, but no bandwagon effect here, my decision was made when I saw the thread title and before I clicked the link.

But I never expected THIS!

Where are all the Hillary supporters? Could it be that she really is the candidate with the least warm bodies but the most cold cash? Could it also be that, because this poll was started at night, Hillary's Campaign Staff wasn't in to ratchet her percentage back down to a reasonabvle level with counterbalance.

Lest any Hillary supporters get pissed, I believe, thanks to the Bushies and the overall march of "progress" that ALL national campaigns now employ some sort of Blog Warrior Group, same as all big companies hire or subcontract people to scour the web daily for rumors, slander and truths they don't wish to get out about their company.

No matter what the cause, these poll results are STUNNING.

Where are the Hillary supporters?!? :wtf:

[spindoctor]

54. Looks like the jury is in on this one.

Which goes to show that us DU'ers are completely out of touch with reality.

We are not a representation of the national democratic vote, so maybe we should stop acting surprised that we can't find representation in the democratic party.

Last time I checked, HRC is sitting on a comfortable 35 - 40% in the polls. Even though it is still early, she would have to pull a Howard to lose her head start. We all know she won't.

:banghead:

[saracat]

59. She is never going to be the nominee.

[LeftCoast]

60. I hope you're not betting your 401k on that

I still don't have a candidate picked yet, but it seems just a wee bit rash to count HRC out at this stage.

[spindoctor]

61. Because?

- She doesn't have the attention of the media?
- She doesn't have the support of the DLC?
- She doesn't have name recognition?
- She doesn't have sufficient funding?
- She is not one million miles ahead of the rest already?
- She doesn't have the right people around her?
- She can't carry the black vote?
- She can't carry the women's vote?
- She doesn't know how to present herself?
- She is a bad public speaker?
- Because US elections are all about the issues?
- You say so?

Don't get me wrong. I am a card carrying member of the ABH club. I just can't see a scenario where Mrs. Clinton would NOT get the nomination.

[saracat]

97. SEveral of yopur above comments are true but DU doesn't like for people to discuss them

and I am tired of the flames.This is a Primary not a coranation and Hillary is not inevitable.Her drones are workinmg very hard to ensure that this is the pereception and this primary is by no means a "sealed deal."The very fact that she is ahead could be the very thing that knocks her out of the race.Democrats do not like the cult of any candidate who is "pushed" as the "anoited one".I have other reasons as well but they all lead to my feeling that she is not the one.

[creeksneakers2]

107. I'm on the net for hours a day

I've yet to see a single person say Hillary is inevitable.

[Zhade]

129. Excellent, then there's still hope for a qualified candidate to beat her.

NT!

[spindoctor]

161. I just did and I'm sure many more have had the thought.

Maybe we're all still psyched about the chances of our own candidates, but if you take the time to think about it then the future is painfully clear.

[Tesha]

72. We'll see how out-of-touch we are in mid-November 2008.

I recall how DU treated the folks who said Kerry was
a bad choice, and I also remember how many DUers/Kerry
supporters then spent the several months after the
election saying "How the hell did *THAT* happen? Why
didn't anyone warn us?"

Nominate a bad choice and suffer the consequences...

Tesha

[tom_paine]

173. It is good to be out of touch with "conventional wisdom" when a nation is propagandaized and insane

NOTE TO ALL HILLARY SUPPORTERS WHO MAY JUMP TO THE WRONG CONCLUSIONS: I am NOT referring to analogies of Hitler to mean Hillary, I am speaking of HITLER=BUSH and nothing else.. If Hillary is the Dem nominee, I will vote for her.

Progandzied and made insane is a condition which I believe could be argued as convincingly for Amerika 2007 as Germany 1937.

OF COURSE DUers are out of touch with "conventional wisdom" which you mistakenly refer to, as do most, as "reality".

"Conventional wisdom" is NOT reality.

Think about it. How many people do you personally know saw GW Bush for what he was, and not just because he was a Republic running against a Democrat, but for the reasins that he would ultimately turn out to be a monstrous evil murderous tyrant. Most of us know or have talked with thouands of others, some friends, some relatives, some strangers, as have I (being a bigmouth).

And I can say that I do not know nor have I spoken to, outside of DU gatherings and the like, not a single person did. NOT...ONE.

Now Statistics being what it is, I have no doubt that there are DUers to whom the number is much larger than zero. It probably means their personal circles are more like DUers as opposed to Average Imperial Subjects of Amerika.

Anyway, my point is that DUers typically (though far from always, statistical probabilites in an open forum not withstanding) self-select, more than any other qualities in my opinion, especially intelligence (and all I mean by that is that sadly, there are many smart Bushies, showing that intelligence, like science or like guns, is just another tool to be used for good or ill).

These qualities, I believe are conscience and consciousness. Of these two quantities I believe DUers have very much more, on average, than the averge Amerikan or American of old pre-2000 days.

My point is that what you said about DUers is likely true.

But it is something to be proud and happy of, like being one of the few Germans (and I am coming to see through my studies of history that there were more of these than there were American who saw through Bush at first) to see through and oppose Hitler in the early 20s.

Fine, so what you say might be true. It is a good thing, in the matter of HRC and in the matter of most things, truthfully.

"Conventional Wisdom" is NOT Reality and "Convetional Wisdom", as history clearly shows, often supports atrocity and what could almost be labelled as pure evil, on MANY OCCASIONS and with MANY EXAMPLES.

Remember that, when you criticize DU for being out of touch with what YOU call Reality but which is merely "Conventional Wisdom" which masquerades as reality for so many, it is not neceesarily a bad thing.

No, siree.

[the other one]

62. If Hillary quit, then how would the GOP raise money?

If she dropped out, I think the GOP would fold, because they would lose their biggest boogymany.

[Name removed]

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[ThomWV]

64. Yes, I "Honestly Beleive" that we have at least 2 possible candidates who could win easily

I believe that either Al Gore or John Edwards could easily win the Presidential Election in a landslide, and in fact I supsect that one of them will do just that.

[cgrindley]

88. AL GORE ISN'T RUNNING!!!!!!!

For christ's sake.

PS Edwards couldn't beat Fred. It'd be a slaughter.

[Warren DeMontague]

103. "Fred" got in all of five friggin' minutes ago.

So where do you get your dead-on certainty that Al Gore still won't?

[spindoctor]

65. Can I get even, Mr. unintelligent son of a French prostitute?

Yes. I honestly think that given a CHOICE, the American voters will make the right decision.

I also HONESTLY believe that an HRC nomination means that there is nothing left to lose.

[DemBones DemBones]

68. Gee, there's a way to win people over to Hillary: call them names

like "dumb bastards."

[cgrindley]

89. Half of the DUers who hate HC will always hate HC

and the other half will pretend that they always loved her once she wins the nomination.

[Zhade]

131. Ah, so now you can read the future and people's minds.

Does your lack of credibility ever make you stop for a moment?

[DemBones DemBones]

139. I seriously doubt that. I don't intend to support her

if she wins the nomination, much less say I've always loved her. She's very intelligent and when Bill was president, I often thought she'd make a better president, but since she's been in the Senate, she's moved too far to the right.

Or maybe she was always there; she was president of the Young Republicans at Wellesley and worked as a Goldwater Girl. That was long ago but maybe she's moving back toward her old beliefs now.

Harry Truman said that if the voters have a choice between a Republican and a Democrat who talks/acts like a Republican, they'll vote for the Republican every time.

Democrats still don't understand that.

[RaleighNCDUer]

152. Which half am I in, since I did support her and donated to her

campaign for the senate, but think she would be the biggest mistake as a presidential nominee in half a century?

[zanne]

66. None.

I'm a true-blue Obama supporter, but I like them all. It makes for some really interesting debates. I wish we could literally have all of them at another Youtube debate soon.

[DemBones DemBones]

67. Wow, this has been up for 13 hours and the

Hillary supporters haven't arrived yet?

Not that they can vote for Hillary to stay in. I'm guessing most of them will vote for Obama to drop out so that number should increase. Maybe some will say Edwards should go.

75% want HRC out at this point.

[spindoctor]

70. My guess is they're the ones voting DK or 'none of the above'

The HRC crew are those who believe that winning the general election is more important than political reform.

[samplegirl]

77. Bilderberg Society

Enough said.

[Mojorabbit]

132. I thought it was

Edwards that was invited by that society before the last election to one of their meetings.

[Fly by night]

78. From the OP title, I don't know QUITE what to think.

Come on guys, proof-read your posts BEFORE posting them. This place is beginning to smell more like Free Republic every day. Sheesh!!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

84. Do you mean the use of Democrat?

If so, that is a correct usage of the word Democrat.

It was used as noun referring to a member of the Democratic party of the United States.
The republicans replace the adjective Democratic with Democrat.

Democratic would have been correct if the OP had worded it, which member of the Democratic Party...

[Fly by night]

85. No, I meant the use of the word "quite" when the OP meant "quit"

I thought my earlier post would have made that clear.

Spell check.

Proof read.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

If you don't (or can't), you run the risk of being mistaken for a hugh moran1!!11!! Seriesly.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

86. Since it would appear such a typo was corrected some 14 hours before your post

I had no idea of what you meant by your post.

[Fly by night]

92. I found the thread on the "Greatest" page where the word "quite" STILL appears in the title.

It is still there now if you want to take a look. The error still appears on the "Greatest" page because the OP did not correct the error before the thread got enough votes to enshrine the error for perpetuity on the "Greatest" page. It would be nice for the moderators to re-program the "Greatest" page capture process to also capture changes in the original title when typos and other grammatical (and content) changes are finally made by the OP. At this point, that doesn't happen.

So my comments about taking a few seconds to spell check and proof-read our posts before hitting the "send" button still apply. Does that now give you some idea about what I meant by my post?

I see I'm not the only one on this thread who made a similar comment. We may be in the minority here but I would like our DU forum to continue to appear more intelligent than Free Republic for as long as possible. We all make typos and other grammatical mistakes when we are drafting posts. The key is not to be in such a hurry to see our words "immortalized" on DU that we don't pause before sending to make sure they are accurate and correct. That is all.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

93. I merely explained why I didn't understand your post

However, since you feel the need to explain further let me say this.

I know there are many here who feel that if one makes a mistake in typing or spelling that it discredits the intended message.

I'm not one of them. I realize that DU is extremely diverse, as such we have posters who don't speak english natively, who don't type on a regular basis, who type with physical handicaps and who vary in ages, income and educational level. None of these things should be held against a person when they're attempting convey a point here. Or so I feel.

Oh, and I don't care what Free Republic looks like, or what they have to say. I don't read that site and what they do or don't do is irrelevant to me. As such, I do not grade DU on a curve against them.

Having said that the addition of an E at the end of a word where it is not required is one of the most common typing errors. It is also something that when proof reading ones own work the eye can easily overlook. As you overlooked the fact that the error had been corrected in the OP long before you posted.

Honestly, it's not something I would call a person out on 14 hours after they've posted. But then, that's just me.

[Fly by night]

95. I've explained myself three times now. That is quite enough, so I'll quit now.

Or should I say "that is quit enough, so I'll quite now"? Those sentences may mean the same to you, or you may consider the differences to be trivial. They do not (and are not) to me.

Typos and bad grammar on DU don't bother you. They do me. We will agree to disagree, I hope.

If not, don't expect another response from me. Have a good Sunday -- I am looking forward to the rest of it.

[BurtWorm]

80. Just one?

:think:

[Name removed]

81. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[backscatter712]

82. I think the results are pretty clear.

Most of the party doesn't want to be led by a Republican-Lite.

[BlooInBloo]

100. ROFLMAO!!!! The imaginary DU-demographic at work.... confusing itself with REALITY.

[porphyrian]

83. I don't want anyone to quit or be chosen for us before the fucking primary.

I'm sick of being reminded just how unimportant my vote is to everyone involved in the process.

[TankLV]

94. None of the above...

Way too early...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

96. Dennis Kucinich.

He takes way too much time away from real candidates in the debates and it would be nice to not have him there any longer getting called on so much.

Ok, so on a serious note, I actually wouldn't want any to drop out. The primaries should be open to anyone and I don't have a problem with any one of them having a voice throughout the process. We have a great field of candidates and it will be quite easy for me to support with pride whoever the nominee ends up being.

[Neshanic]

98. All except Gore.

[Debi]

99. can you vote more than once in this poll? n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

102. Bye, Bye, Biden. nt

[defendandprotect]

137. No thanks, Biden . . . . I think he poisons the well ---

[cgrindley]

110. It's great how pro-Clinton posts get deleted

perhaps Clinton supporters are no longer welcome at DU.

[pinto]

117. As always, questions, comments or complaints about moderator actions are best sent here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/contact.html

Thanks.

[Zhade]

134. I'd laugh at your statement, but why bother, it's just such horseshit.

Yawn.

[defendandprotect]

138. Why would pro-Clinton "posts" be deleted -- ??? ???? ????

Did you mean a thread or a post --

Are you serious ?

[Marr]

114. And yet it's Hillary Clinton that gets all the corporate media coverage.

I swear, the biggest story of the campaign so far has been the media's hard sell of Hillary Clinton.

[cgrindley]

116. Because she has the MOST support in the real world

DU is freaking magic pixie land right now. It's stupid. Clinton's getting the nomination. Get over it.

[fedupfisherman]

118. Get over it?

Some folks on here support other candidates and will not 'get over it'

[Bluebear]

124. No, I guess we should cancel the primaries too.

You know, and "get over it". :silly:

[fedupfisherman]

127. Agreed

Just hand the nomination to Hillary and tell every other candidate to take a hike.

After all isn't a primary just a big waste of time?

Hillary has it. End of story

[never_get_over_it]

145. And I would like to add

I'll never get over it....

Sorry couldn't resist

[Marr]

148. "Get over it"...? Wow.

You're in interesting company with that line. Look, Clinton's polling does not support your confidence. And if by some twist Hillary Clinton does win the nomination, she will lose the election. She's the only Dem candidate that *could* lose the election.

The DLC is a losing organization. They cannot anoint candidates anymore, and they're becoming irrelevant.

Why not just get over it?

[RaleighNCDUer]

153. You know, I sort of see the DLC as being like the guy at the

$2 window who bets on the winning horse two times in a row, and then thinks that not only is he a winner, but the horse won because he bet on him.

DLC didn't pick a winner in 84, or 88, but did in 92 and 96, then didn't again in 00 and 04 - and because of that two-win streak think they are the reason for the win. Never mind that Bill has unparalleled interpersonal skills, a keen ear for the public, and ungodly good political instincts -- DLC backed him, so he won because of them.

They think they can do the same with Hillary - even though she has none of the skills, a tin ear and appalling political instincts -- since the DLC is backing her they believe she will win.

And then call those of us who don't support her, delusional.

[Richard Steele]

155. That's an excellent metaphor, and really sums things up well.

But that's no matter to the DLC.
President Hillary or President Republicking are BOTH "victory scenarios"
for the DLC. The DLC is a Repub cancer feeding upon the body Democratic.

The only way the DLC loses is if a real Dem wins. And they've got alot of
money and friends working 24/7 to make sure that doesn't happen.

Just like in Florida in '06, when Foley resigned in well-earned disgrace....
The REAL DEMOCRAT opposing him was running unopposed & guaranteed a victory,
until Rahm Emanuel raced to the rescue and replaced him with a lifelong Repub.

THAT'S how the DLC is "building the party".

[saracat]

154. What is the "real world' ? Democratic polling? She would lose the general election

and that is what many are concerned about.It isn't as if we don't have other candidates that can actually WIN the general.

[deacon]

135. Hillary Clinton. n/t

[defendandprotect]

136. DLC Members HATE Dennis Kucinich --- ???? ??? ????

[Richard Steele]

156. Of course they do. Dennis stands for the things most PEOPLE stand for.

The DLC shills for what the CORPORATOCRACY tells it to.

And policies in the best interests of PEOPLE tend to
slightly reduce the obscene profit margins of CORPORATIONS.

[ProudDad]

146. Woah, even I'm surprised...

Clinton - 263 votes - 71%...

Way to go Hillbots!!!!

[Gravel2008]

158. 273 and counting...

I'd say this sends a pretty clear message.

[Swamp Rat]

157. Al Gore/Anybody Else 2008

:kick:

[InvisibleTouch]

162. Not a one. n/t

[Auggie]

163. Very surprising!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

164. du'ers are ofcourse a clear reflection of the population at large.

:eyes:

[tom_paine]

165. No, but DUers ARE a much clear refelection of the footsoldiers who are the heart

and soul of the Democratic Party.

The people who walk the precincts and stuff the envelopes and make endless phone calls and...

Day after day Democratc weakness, capitualation and, yes, moral cowardice in the face of the worst evil (from within) America has perhapes ever seen - it can only be judged how bad it was after it's over, and it's far from over, even if a Dem Landslide restores presidency and both houses of Congress; day after day DUers and the Loyal Democrats are being kicked inthe stomach by our own Leadership, then asked to soldier on with the same morale as if

Because it simply is not about Republic Party and Democratic Party anymore. It is about Liberty vs. Tyranny. Constitutionality vs. New Totalitarianism.

This poll has plenty of meaning, but I am not sure it means anything to the Democratic Party, which seems to believe that 100,000 precinct walkers and phone bankers who contribute $20 apiece are exactly equivalent to one $2,000,000 check from a Big Donor.

But it isn't. God help us, it is NOT equivalent! Try to convince our Leadership.

[Kelly Rupert]

167. Exactly.

Nothing will freeze the Democratic activist base like a Hilly nomination.

[ProudDad]

171. Got that right

I'll work for my local congresscritter 'cause I have access to her...

I don't think I'd lift a finger for a corporate shill...

[windbreeze]

172. Then perhaps the rep's will work to elect her....n/t

[Kelly Rupert]

166. Who voted for Dodd?

How strange.

[nadinbrzezinski]

168. You know this poll summs it up

at least with this slice of the base

HRC is not popular, PERIOD

[tom_paine]

169. Here we agree, my friend. Here we agree. n/t

[Arugula Latte]

175. Wow...Hillary is getting overwhelming support on DU...

to quit ... :rofl:

[GreenTea]

177. Why would anyone want Dennis Kucinich to quit?

Because he can't win? Kucinich has the most progressive liberal platform since JFK or even FDR. Kucinich's idea's & platform need to be heard and talked about....Who else is bringing up social issues besides DK and John Edwards in either party?

[book_worm]

178. Good luck in Hillary quitting the race especially since she's leading in the polls.