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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:21 PM
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Mahoney vs Lutrin....what was done in FL 16th by Rahm and Thurman.
I have written about David Lutrin several times, and about the fact that he was a Democrat running for Mark Foley's seat in 06. We were irate at how he was "disappeared" and Tim Mahoney was given DCCC support. Howie Klein of Blue America, Down with Tyranny and Fire Dog Lake wrote about it, more below.

I was glad to see that it was covered in the Truth Out report by Mark Renner. Tim Mahoney was a Republican until 2005, Renner says he switched in July, I thought August....but it was after he was recruited to run by Rahm Emanuel and Karen Thurman, Florida Democratic chairwoman, who went to see him. He was a Republican, and they recruited him to run as a Democrat.

Democratic House Officials Recruited Wealthy Conservatives

David Lutrin, a school teacher, union activist and staunch supporter of immediate withdrawal from Iraq, decided to run against Foley before Mahoney entered the race. After Mahoney declared his candidacy, Lutrin was contacted by field organizers for the DCCC who asked him to drop out and let Mahoney run unopposed.

Lutrin said that he also met personally with Mahoney. During a three- hour breakfast meeting, Mahoney offered Lutrin a higher-paying job if he agreed to drop out of the primary. "Mahoney tried to get me to run in a different district. He offered me a job at one of his non-profit organizations where he said that I would make more than I was making as a teacher. He said I could campaign full time while working at his non-profit as long as I agreed to drop out of the race," Lutrin said. Lutrin declined the job offer.

According to Lutrin, when he refused to step aside, the DCCC shored up local political support for Mahoney. The local AFL-CIO chapter, of which Lutrin was a member, came out with an early endorsement of Mahoney's campaign. According to Lutrin, the union told him that "they would like to back a fellow union brother, but Mahoney has more money and more political support from the party." Lutrin eventually dropped out of the race when the local teachers' union decided to support Mahoney.


The DCCC had the money, Mahoney had the money as a millionaire businessman...to "persuade" the unions to go along. That is terribly upsetting to me. The teachers' union and the AFL-CIO went along with Rahm and Karen and endorsed a Republican who turned Democrat to run.

Lutrin dropped out. His money dried up, and his support. I would imagine it would have been a great campaign if he had been given support as a Democrat, but he was not.


David Lutrin and family

There is more about Lutrin's treatment in this post.

Details from the Swamp that we call Florida Politics....FL 16...Lutrin speaks out.

Early on in the process– in mid-2005– Dave contacted Democratic Party organizations throughout the district, as well as the state party and the DCCC in Washington. Everyone was enthusiastic and encouraging. Glen Rushing, the DCCC point person for the region, told Dave he was "just the type of candidate we're looking for." He offered to introduce him to Alabama Congressman Artur Davis, the DCCC-appointed mentor for Democratic candidates in the region, who following their first phone conversation offered to help him with his race. Rushing then promised to get him in touch with Florida DCCC chief, Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Emanuel's lieutenant for the Southeast.

..."Then something happened
, something very dark and secretive, something people are just uncovering now. DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel found out something that could– and did– change the dynamics of the race in FL-16 dramatically. Emanuel became aware that Mark Foley– well-known for years Inside-The-Beltway, albeit not among his church-going constituents, as a very active (and very hypocritical) homosexual– was molesting the underage male congressional pages, and that he had been for many years. Did Emanuel call the police? Did he even call the staffers who are charged by Congress with looking out for the welfare of the pages? Doesn't look that way.


It appears he called on a Republican named Tim Mahoney.

...."He offered him a congressional seat and all he'd have to do was switch party registration and become a Democrat. That man is freshman Congressman Tim Mahoney.

Suddenly there was a new DCCC point person, John Vogel, and he had no idea who Dave was. Rushing called and suggested Dave talk to someone named… Tim Mahoney.


And David became irrelevant to the Democratic Party while a self-proclaimed fundamentalist Christian, a Republican when recruited, became the candidate.

I was just re-reading a post by McJoan at Daily Kos from September last year. She seems totally unaware that David Lutrin is running.

FL-16: Meet Tim Mahoney

With Foley's resignation, we've suddenly got another extremely good chance for a pick-up. So meet Democrat Tim Mahoney.

The guys at MyDD have some info. What you can glean from that is that Foley's name will remain on the ballot and any votes he gets will go to his as-of-yet unnamed successor.

Chris says:
Tim Mahoney has $343K cash as of 8/16. The district has a partisan voting index of +2.4 Republican. Even as an open seat, this district now favors Mahoney. If Adam B is right, Foley can't be removed from the ballot, which would end the race today. . . . This seat is now "lean Dem."

Update: I'm gonna steal from LarryInNYC in the comments. Yes, this is precisely why we need to have a candidate in every race.


None of the others she quotes mentions David Lutrin either. They did not even know there was a Democrat running. That was the power that was Rahm. The DCCC is not supposed to get involved in the primary races. Not only were they involved but along with the party chairman, they actively worked to get candidates out of the races.

It is just as it was with Jan Schneider in Florida 13th and Christine Cegelis in IL 06. Jan was marginalized in favor of Christine Jennings though she beat Jennings previously by 9 points. Christine Cegelis was out of the race when all of the Illinois powerhouse Democrats endorsed Tammy Duckworth. Cegelis's name was not mentioned again, just Tammy's.

Major Democrats who were asked to donate were not told that there were opponents in either FL 13 or IL 06. That we found out later.

David Lutrin was already running in FL 16 as a Democrat. McJoan's thread does not even mention him at all. There was no mention in the comments either of Lutrin.

All three were "disappeared" by simply omitting them. By pretending they never existed.


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:26 PM
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1. They really want that oil..
greedy parasites.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:59 PM
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3. I was alarmed that Lutrin's own union supported Mahoney.
He's a teacher so it would be the same one I belonged to before I retired. That is upsetting to me. But then I should not be surprised. The area I live in is conservative, and as a teacher I kept my mouth shut to survive. The whole bunch of teachers was Republican then, don't know if it has changed now....but I doubt it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:18 AM
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11. Teachers being republicon..isn't
that like biting the hand that feeds you? Cutting off your nose to spite your face? What have repukes done for teachers..besides denigrate them?

I'm so glad you don't have to be quiet now .."to survive"?
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:34 AM
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13. republican teachers are probably the reason
that so many in this country do not understand their own interests. How the hell can we "educate" people if the people doing the education are basically idiots?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:48 AM
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15. There ya go! Especially
when Fascists have their fingers on the red button and couldn't care less about our young people being educated. They're stupid ..why should anyone else know more?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:39 PM
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21. Well, we teach creationism here.
So what does that tell you? Teachers who complain don't last too long.
:shrug:
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:57 PM
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2. Never trusted Mahoney
Basically, Mahoney was willing to pour his own money into the campaign. He was rich, so Emanuel chose him over Lutrin.

Honestly, I wouldn't lose any sleep if he gets ousted in 2008. He's barely a Democrat, and in debates wouldn't say he'd support a Democratic speaker.

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:04 PM
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4. Fucking Rahm Emanuel. He's a cancer upon the Party. recommended
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 11:41 PM
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5. Emanuel did things like this...
All over the US. Yes, he's a cancer. A real shitbag.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:29 AM
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6. K&R. (nt)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:32 AM
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7. Someone PMed me how Kerry was misled about Jan Schneider..
He was led to believe that Jennings had no opponent, yet her opponent had beat her by 9 points last time. From the Truth Out article:

Schneider claims that Emanuel broke this policy during the 2006 primary race. "Emanuel caused the Schneider campaign to be removed from the DCCC website and circulated solicitations for contributions to Democratic candidates indicating that there was no primary in the Florida 13th," according to a memorandum Schneider prepared.

Schneider blames the DCCC for misleading Senator John Kerry (D- Massachusetts) into thinking that Jennings was running in the primary without any competition from within the party. Kerry gave a $1,000 donation to the Jennings campaign, which was publicized by Jennings as an endorsement. When Schneider confronted Kerry about this donation, Kerry apologized and said that he donated based on assertions by Emanuel that the race was "a targeted race with no primary," and that he never meant to interfere with an intra-party contest, according to Schneider. Congresswoman Shelly Berkley (D- Nevada) says that the DCCC sent her a letter asking her to contribute to races where there was no primary. The letter listed the Florida 13th as a race with only one Democrat pursuing the party's nomination.


That was total misrepresentation by the DCCC and by Jennings, and I sure hope that under Van Hollen it is not happening anymore. Somehow this week I don't have much faith about that. I suspect the same fingers are leaving their fingerprints.


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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:06 PM
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25. Jan Schneider was really screwed over by Rahm and KarenThurman..so bad!!
but it was done, like i said in my county as well ..and we lost some great dem people..we could see it happening..and we had no power to stop it..Betty Castor went along with it.

And we lost a wonderful candidate...they ran a guy who changed party's 6 weeks before the primary and gave him all the money!

I was throughly disgusted. and i will never trust Rahm..ever..

fly
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:29 PM
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27. I talked to Jan at a fundraiser in Tampa.
I asked her why in the hell Barbara Boxer came down and did a fundraiser for Christine Jennings with a primary going on. She contacted Boxer, and was told that the DCCC had told her that Jennings was running unopposed.

That fundraiser put Jan over $300,000 behind Jennings.

And in the 5th District, Wasserman-Schultz did everything just short of an actual endorsement of Ginny Brown-Waite (R) in that race. And Karen Thurman worked behind the scenes to dry up finances in that race.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:35 PM
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30. Was that John Russell's race. And Penberthy? Didn't they ordain the latter?
Or am I getting races mixed up? The 5th...wasn't it Russell vs Penberthy?

I remember Jane Harman and her national security PAC having only Penberthy there for training....acting like no one else was in the race.

We met Russell once and liked him.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:24 PM
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31. Yeah, they tried to torpedo John, but it didn't work.
And we won the primary by 10 points in a 3-way race.

But, AFTER the primary, Debbie Wasserman-Shultz was talking about what an iron willed, and tough spined congesswoman Ginny was. There was so much bullshit in that race. We tried to get John Edwards to do a voice over for some robo-calls. They took all their guidance from the DCCC, and we never got any help. We got Max Cleland to do one, but the request had to come through the FDP Chair. Karen Thurman finally agreed to make the call, and after waiting weeks for her to do it, she finally made the call on the Friday before the election.

I talked to John last night. We're going to play some golf next week. He's considering another run, but I'm going to strongly advise against it, just because of a lot of the duplicitous people that you have to deal with in Washington and Florida.

Just on a side note, did you notice how many of Jane Harman's trainees were elected? Zero. John did go out to Phoenix for some Pelosi sponsored (New-House Pac)training, but that's where the support ended for a lot of candidates.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:45 PM
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32. OH...look what I found. SecureUS Pac at Act Blue....Mahoney largest fundraiser
I have so many questions about this. I don't think of SecureUS as exactly progressive like I think of Act Blue.

I think I will not bother there anymore. Look at the huge fundraising totals for Mahoney and Jennings...the chosen ones by Rahm!!

http://www.actblue.com/page/secureus

How did they get to be the largest fundraisers at Act Blue of all places???
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:37 AM
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8. Why would the unions go along with this?
I find it appalling and offensive that the AFL-CIO and teachers unions both went along with this scheme.

I didn't think it was possible to dislike Rahm any more. He's worse than the GOP.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:04 AM
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9. Suffering from myopia makes it more difficult to see the big picture
They aren't the only ones playing the odds. It is my understanding that NARL supported Lieberman in'06.

I agree that Rahm is worse than the GOP because he and others of his ilk are destroying the Democratic Party from the inside.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:01 AM
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12. Good point.
They are allowing or enbabling an inside takeover of the party in the name of winning. They could have supported the ones already in the race, instead in one race they spent quarter to half a million to get the other Democrat out. That's just a shame. Running Republicans as Democrats is not winning...it is as you say destroying from the inside.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:18 PM
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26. If you had any dealings with the unions in Florida, you'd understand.
I've seen them with hold contributions from progressive Democrats in the General, after they won their primaries.

In 2004, I was working a friends campaign for School Superintendent. She was highly qualified, and running as a Dem. She couldn't even get an endorsement from the teachers union, because they were afraid of her repuke opponent. I might add that about half of our county DEC members are in the teachers union. And they (the DEC teachers union members)donated to a repuke in the primary.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:37 AM
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10. A kick for Sunday morning. nm
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:37 AM
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14.  Howard Dean has been battling this asshat--go Dean!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:08 PM
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16. That DailyKos post I linked to shows how little people knew of it.
Some of us had been posting of the interferences going on in Florida races, but the posts never got noticed and got no traction.

This comment stood out at me as such a total lack of understanding of what they pulled here in Florida. It is like the primary situation on Jan. 29....people don't understand the significance of that either. And the bloggers go along. Scary to me.

Here is the comment:

$50 to Mahoney
Via ActBlue.
Hey, Rahm! You paying attention yet? This is the 50-state strategy in the House! You taking notes, big guy?

This is how leadership works - being ready to jump on an opportunity when it rears its' shiny little head.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/29/16291/0177

They had no clue that a Republican had been put into the race and a good Democrat pushed out. They had no clue this was Rahm's doing.

:shrug:

Just like the move up of the primary to Jan. 29. People can not look behind the rhetoric to see the motives. They did not see it is a power play against Dean and the 50 state strategy. It is using Dean and the DNC as a scapegoat to get the Levin brothers' primary bill noticed. To get attention to Bill Nelson.

"Primary bully Florida ought to be ashamed"...four articles catch on to Florida's primary ploy.



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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:14 PM
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17. Was there any opposition from the FL Dem party?
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 01:14 PM by OzarkDem
One would think someone within the state party structure would have brought this up?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:33 PM
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18. Some of our DFA people were trying to let people know.
But there is kind of a dead end if the county parties don't want it to go further. I talked to several state party people, and they were alarmed I would question the good judgement of the DCCC.

Just like it is now about the primary on the 29th. Some of us spoke up about the attacks on Dean and the DNC and withholding the donations...how wrong it was.

I got two county chairs mad at me, one thinking I am nuts for questioning motives and wanting the truth.

I once contacted the DFA leader in another county about something that was concerning us....and that was what really hurt. They told me how important it was to win and there was no excuse for not going along to win. Now that really hurt.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:42 PM
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19. Thanks K&R....
:(

"I once contacted the DFA leader in another county about something that was concerning us....and that was what really hurt. They told me how important it was to win and there was no excuse for not going along to win."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:01 PM
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23. same thing happened to many of us who questioned in our fla county..
then we were treated like we were pariah's...we got the rolling of the eyes..and then sarcasm and nastiness!

they have infiltrated our party in fla with so many rethugs..it is hard to tell sometimes who is dem and who is repug!

fly
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Florida16 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 01:06 AM
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36. No Party Opposition
The state party with in on it with the DCCC. They orchestrated the St.Lucie DEC to violate the Florida Democratic Party state charter and give Mahoney an early endorsement prior to the primary.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:10 PM
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20. Here is part of Lutrin's letter when he dropped out of the race.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2006/03/open-letter-from-dave-lutrin-ex.html

"To those of you who are familiar with the history and circumstances surrounding the Democratic race in District 16, the extra-curricular activities designed to manipulate the outcome, and influence my decision to vacate the race, only inspired and motivated me to forge on longer than I probably should have.

I owe so much to so many who have helped, advised, and educated me during this campaign. I am truly grateful to have had my life enriched by the many friends I have made as well as having been enlightened to discover who my enemies were.

I entered this race because I feared for the future of my daughter and my country and that I needed to do something to save them. Now that I am out of the race, and after all that I have learned, I fear for them even more and that makes me feel incredibly helpless. However, I am not defeated and will be back when the right race presents itself. I now understand how the machine works and won’t fall behind next time."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 06:58 PM
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22. same thing was done in my county by Rahm and Thurman ,,against a wonderful dem candidate!
these two did the same thing to a wonderful dem candidate in my county in Fla./.a wonderful woman was screwed over by Thurman and Rahm..the guy they chose to run against this woman changed party's 6 weeks before the primary!

they are filling our party in Fla with repugs ..playing as dems!

i personally and damn sick and tired of it.

fly
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:04 PM
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24. This needs to be kicked and recommended.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:31 PM
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28. OK, Kicked and recommended!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:21 PM
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29. rahm is at it again in illinois
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 10:25 PM by madrchsod
after fucking the illinois 6th,which will have neither cegalis or duckworth running again,rahm is screwing with the illinois 6th. when i post about the corruption in the democratic party in illinois i`m not exaggerating....the governor has a former FALN member who served two years in prison on the payroll at about 120,000 a year and the governor was the only illinois democrat to vote for the war...

so Florida we share your pain.......


oops better supply a link..this may load slow.


http://www.prairiestateblue.com/frontPage.do
Prairie State Blue :: the online community for Illinois progressives.

"DCCC and Primaries"



rahm is a cancer that just never goes away...
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:04 AM
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33. Too late for a RECOMMEND THIS THREAD, but I'm SO glad, madfloridian,
that you're keeping us appraised of what is going on in Florida. Rahm Emmanuel truly is a cancer on this party, and I've had it with him and his DLCers.

Recruiting republicans for the Dem party has GOT TO STOP!!

:cry: I'm so sorry you're having to go through all of this in your Florida districts. I don't know what it's going to take to get Florida straightened out, but folks down there don't seem to have a clue....except for a few people like yourself who have seen all of the corruption.

What a frikkin' mess the Dems are in with people like Rahm Emmanuel and Harold Ford trying to screw things up.

:kick:
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 02:29 AM
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34. Typical Fl. Dem. Party Games-
Saw too much of this BS from the inside.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 01:31 PM
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35. Ah, yes, I remember those times.
Your own party worked against you. Just like they have many others since then.

And the state party when told just sat back and said so what?

Same old same old.

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