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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:24 AM
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A psychiatrists view of Bush
Schnaiberg Papers

An interesting perspective from Dr. Paul Minot, a psychiatrist in Waterville, Maine

George Bush's "irrational" consideration of a "surge" in the wake of the Iraq Study Group report -- which apparently defies all credible counsel-has begun to generate speculation regarding his sanity.
References to Bush's "delusions" have appeared in the mainstream media and throughout the blogosphere.

As a psychiatrist, I understandably get concerned when I see clinical terminology bandied about in political discourse, and thought it might be of interest to share a professional perspective on this question. I have a distinct clinical impression that I think explains much of Mr. Bush's visible pathology.

First and foremost, George W. Bush has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder. What this means, is that he has rather desperate insecurities about himself, and compensates by constructing a grandiose self-image.
Most of his relationships are either mirroring relationships -- people who flatter him and reinforce his grandiosity -- or idealized self-objects -- people that he himself thinks a lot of, and hence feels flattered by his association with them. Some likely perform both functions. Hence his weakness for sycophants like Harriet Miers, and powerful personalities like Dick Cheney. Even as a narcissist, Bush knows he isn't a great intellect, and compensates by dismissing the value of intellect altogether. Hence his disses of Gore's bookishness, and any other intellectual that isn't flattering him. Bush knows that his greatest personal strength is projecting personal affability, and tries to utilize it even in the most inappropriate settings. That's why he gives impromptu backrubs to the German Chancellor in a diplomatic meeting -- he's insecure intellectually, and tries to make everyone into a "buddy" so he can feel more secure.

The most disturbing aspect about narcissists, however, is their pathological inability to empathize with others, with the exception of those who either mirror them, or whom they idealize. Hence Bush's horrifying insensitivity to the Katrina victims, his callous jokes when visiting grievously injured soldiers, and numerous other
instances. He simply has no capacity to feel for others in that way. When LBJ was losing Vietnam, he developed a haunted expression that anybody could recognize as indicative of underlying anguish. For all
his faults, you just knew he was losing sleep over it. By the same token, we know just as well that Bush isn't losing any sleep over dead American soldiers, to say nothing of dead Iraqis. He didn't exhibit any
sign of significant concern until his own political popularity was sliding --because THAT'S something he CAN feel.

Which brings us to his recent "delusion." To be blunt, I don't see any indication that Bush has any sort of psychotic disorder whatsoever. The lapses in reality-testing that he exhibits are the sort that can be
readily explained by his characterological insensitivity to the feelings and perceptions of others, due to his persistently self-centered frame of reference.

Mr. Bush knows that things aren't going his way in Iraq, and he knows that it is damaging him politically. He also sees that it is likely to get worse no matter what he does, and in fact it may be a lost cause.
However, he recognizes that if he follows the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, that Iraq will almost certainly evolve into a puppet state of Iran, and given his treatment of Iran he will completely lose
control of the situation -- and he will be politically discredited for this outcome.

The ONLY chance that he has to avoid this political disaster, and save his political skin, is to hope against hope for "victory" in Iraq. Advancing the "surge" idea offers Bush two political advantages over following the ISG recommendations. One is that if it is implemented, maybe, just maybe, he can pull out some sort of nominal "victory" out of the situation. The chances are exceedingly slim, granted, but slim is better to him than the alternative (none). Alternately, if the "surge" is politically rejected, he gains some political cover, so when things inevitably go bad, he can say "I told you so" and blame the "surrender monkeys" for the outcome. Most people probably won't buy it, but some (his core base) will.

Now, I know what many of you are thinking -- is George Bush willing to risk the lives of hundreds, maybe thousands more American soldiers, on an outside chance to save his political skin, in a half-baked plan that even he knows probably won't work at all? Yes, he is. Because George Bush is that narcissistic, that desperate, and yes, that sociopathic as well.

Especially interesting about Mr. Bush, but quite common, Narcissistic Personality Disorder is frequently associated with alcoholism. The insufferable "holier than thou" attitude associated with "Dry Drunk Syndrome" is indicative of underlying narcissism.

Also, the way that Bush embraces Christianity is characteristically narcissistic. Rather than incorporating the lessons of humility and empathy modeled by Jesus, Bush uses his Christian faith to reinforce his grandiosity. Jesus is his powerful ally, his idealized "buddy" who gives a rubber stamp to anything he thinks.

Finally -- and this will sound VERY familiar to many readers -- those persons with NPD are notoriously unable to say they're sorry. Admitting error is fundamentally incompatible with their precarious efforts to maintain their sense of order. Anyone having this particular character flaw almost certainly has NPD.


ALLAN SCHNAIBERG Professor of Sociology & Faculty Associate, Institute for Policy Research Northwestern University 1812 Chicago Avenue, room 108
Evanston, IL 60208
847-491-3202
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:32 AM
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1. What a sniveling little man Bush is.
It's tragic that he has been able to destroy so many lives.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:35 PM
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41. if he is so sniveling why can't
WE THE PEOPLE, do something.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:32 PM
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55. IMHO, because unfortunately we don't have enough BRAVE men and women
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 08:36 PM by blue neen
in POWER willing to do "SOMETHING" about it!

But we will eventually, do something about it. Bush and his band of thieves and their warped and corrupted way of life will be gone. And the BRAVE men and women will have been you and me and all the other plain old "ordinary" people.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:14 PM
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57. Not just in power, but en masse in the country.
This whole pathetic episode of American history would have gone away if enough of us had sat down in the middle of the freaking road one day, and stayed their for a while. Why don't we? There's a good question. That I do not know.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:34 AM
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2. I have been saying the same basic stuff for years about bush,...
and I'm no pschiatrist.

:D
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:12 AM
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5. From a medical view or not........
I'd say it's 100% accurate.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:34 AM
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12. I agree...although making a diagnosis w/o actually reviewing a
pt's record/personal interaction can be dangerous, there are some things that are obvious, even to the layman.

I have always said that bush is a sociopath, completely unable to empathize. AFAIC, the man is a monster, barely into the realm of being human.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:18 PM
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54. Unfortunately, he's all to human.
How many animals have NPD. Well, great white sharks maybe.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:22 PM
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36. Likewise, I'm sure! :)
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:38 AM
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3. This all makes sense to me - however I am no psychiatrist. All I know
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 08:39 AM by bluerum
is the national embarrassment, the pResident, is an idiot on the loose - dragging our country lower and lower.

Why is this post attributed to Dr.Paul Minot at the beginning, and have Allan Schnaibergs name at the end?

on edit: out to our.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:03 AM
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4. This dude has Bill Frist disorder -- making a medical diagnosis from 1000 miles away.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:17 AM
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6. Much as I agree with the assessment, you're right.
Long distance psychiatric evaluation for the internet doesn't seem either ethical or sound.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:26 AM
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10. I agree
Bush is an idiot but diagnosing him over the internet is just idiocy of a different order...
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:04 PM
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39. the CIA has used psychological profiling for decades
It's the standard way they construct profiles of people of interest. Without interviews. Using only anecdotal evidence.

No difference here.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:24 AM
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8. That's what I thought, too. He's concerned about clinical
terms being used by others but he can diagnose someone he's never met? Maybe it's not real.
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:33 AM
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11. The doc is real and seems to be a bit of a gadfly.
Quick searches established that for me. What I couldn't figure out is where or when he first published this piece although I did find it posted on a several other sites.

I can say Bush is a narcissist but I'm no shrink.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:45 AM
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16. See Post #14 for the original link.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:38 AM
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13. I respectfully disagree
There are no physical symptoms to observe or lab tests to comfirm personality disorder. An analyst will make a diagnosis from behavior and interviews with the patient, which in Bush's case are in the public domain.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:46 AM
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17. He can form opinions based on tea leaves.
However, I think that most would agree that one-on-one sessions would be more productive in making such a diagnosis.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:05 AM
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20. They can be.
One-on-one sessions are good. However, in the case of personality disorders, other things can very important. One example would be getting a police report, with witness statements, in dealing with people in forensic cases. If you have a person referred for domestic violence, his/her reporting in the one-on-one best viewed in the context of other sources of information.
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Forrest Greene Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:22 AM
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29. Quite Right
I'm not a professional psychiatrist, but it seems to me that the relevant aspects of G.W. Bush's personality ... such as it is ... are, since he is a powerful public figure, those operating in the public domain. His behavior & statements in that domain are, it seems to me, sufficient to make an analysis limited to the public domain. We are not concerned over such classic personal psychiatric issues as toilet training, parental relations, etc. We are concerned with halting the destruction of the U.S. Constitution.

If it weighs seven hundred pounds, stands eight feet tall, has razor sharp teeth & claws, & is charging directly at you at a rapid clip, shoot it! Check to confirm if it's a grizzly bear later.


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Colorado Progressive Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:13 PM
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61. Yeah, Psychiatrists are highly trained to pick up on behavior/mannerisms/language used, etc.
Bush has given us so many years of evidence to work with, I hardly think a sit down with him is necessary to describe his personality type. Its pretty danged obvious, and its discussed on DU all the time by non-psychiatrists. He has a huge ego, he wont admit hes wrong, hes never sorry, and hes obviously very insecure.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:39 AM
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73. Yep. Bush displays NPD in all his public actions...
Would he be a different person in a psychiatric interview?

--IMM
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:57 AM
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19. I was going to say the same thing
but if he's only in academia, and not in practice, I don't see anything wrong with it... I think.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:40 AM
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27. The author is Paul Minot, and he's a practicing psychiatrist.
Schnaiberg's association with this opinion is not clear.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:50 AM
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28. He's judging a public figure....
whose behavior has been consistently on view for the whole world to see for years. That's hardly the same as trying to assess someone's physical condition based on one conveniently edited video.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:30 PM
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37. Psychological biographies are well-established in academia.
It isn't psychoanalysis, with patient interviews, trying to help the patient self-actualize; it is psychological analysis based on observation.

E.g.:
http://www.antiqbook.com/boox/gac/015683.shtml
http://www.ecampus.com/book/1428622152
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:16 PM
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48. In this case it's a practicing shrink making an armchair diagnosis on an Internet blog.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:47 PM
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43. I disagree
This and other mental-health professionals have literally decades of well-documented Bush activities, events, quotes, audio and video segments, timelines, pictures, and other information available.

And the mental-health professionals have had years to sift through, correlate, and analyse this information, and to do so WITHOUT a political motive.

The subject, Bush, in this case is not available for personal interviews; however, at the same time his life has been so documented that many facts and events that a regular patient might forget or conceal are laid open, only a few mouse clicks away.

Dismissing it out of hand is, IMO, foolish.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:18 PM
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49. As the good Dr. Minot says in his follow up article...
... we all have our opinions and, just like assholes, we are certainly entitled to them.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 07:20 PM
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50. FBI profilers would certainly disagree with you.
Drawing educated conclusions about a subject's psychiatric state does not require one-on-one treatment, especially if said psychiatrist has a large sample of (public, in this case) behavior to analyze.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:18 AM
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7. I wonder whether * knows he's not fooling us
Maybe he doesn't care what we think. It's only his own sycophants who adore him that he cares about.
And if it's down to only Laura and Barney, then they are the only entities he'll continue to care about.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:09 AM
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23. I doubt that Laura likes him any more. (eom)
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:25 AM
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9. I generally agree with the psychiatrist , but I'm curious why he didn't
address the schizophrenic-like references to talking to God. Now, I agree lots of Christians "talk to God," but with Shrub you get the impression God appears and sits in a chair in the oval - it's more like an "invisible friend" than spiritual, prayer-like activity. Of course, my only diagnostic qualification is being one of those crazy, liberal elites.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:44 AM
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15. The observations were generalized...I would figure that would be
Edited on Sun Sep-09-07 09:50 AM by rasputin1952
to cover his butt by not making a strict diagnosis. Some disorders carry more weight than others, being a narcissist is not "good", but being shizophrenic is viewed in an entirely different light.
That is a serious medical diagnosis, and he would be an idiot to make that diagnosis w/o being involved in the case.

Talking about signs and symptoms is one thing, but making a strict diagnosis is something else entirely. Even the layman knows there is something "wrong" w/bush, going back to the debate w/Gore when he chuckled about the TX Death Penalty. No "normal" person chuckles about "applying" death to another.

bush needs constant reinforcement, he is a shallow man, and if not for certain machinations that brought him into the WH, he would be little more than a seriously flawed and failed businessman, something he has always been. Now, he is a seriously flawed captain of the most powerful nation on earth, and that could mean serious disaster.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:46 AM
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18. Right.
He didn't make any reference to it as being schizophrenic because he understands the proper definition and use of the term. Were he simply attempting to insult Bush and others, he might have used it in an incorrect manner.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:43 AM
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14. Here's the original link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/22/101516/45

and Minot's reaction to his notoriety:

http://www.candidpsychiatrist.com/

Not sure how Schainberg's name got attached to this.


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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:08 AM
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21. Read "Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President"
"...He finds that Bush, psychically scarred by an absentee father and a cold, authoritarian mother, has developed a galloping case of megalomania, characterized by a Manichaean worldview, delusions of persecution and omnipotence and an "anal/sadistic" indifference to others’ pain, with removal from office the only "treatment option." The author’s exegesis of Bush’s personality traits-the drinking problem, the bellicose rhetoric, the verbal flailings and misstatements of fact, the religiosity and exercise routines, the hints of dyslexia and hyperactivity, the youthful cruelty to animals and schoolmates, the smirk-paints an intriguing, if exaggerated and contemptuous, portrait of a possibly troubled public figure...."

http://www.amazon.com/Bush-Couch-Inside-Mind-President/dp/0060736712/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b/103-6339024-7287037?ie=UTF8&qid=1189350224&sr=1-2
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:09 AM
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22. how can he not say Bu$h is psychotic, people die all th time around him, 152 prisoners while he mock...
their fear, and tells Gonzo to limit the pre-execution review to a page so he wont have to be bothered with it.. and over 660,000 children, women and old folks in Iraq..millions of refugees.

he is a murder, and will stay the murdering course
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:14 AM
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24. Bat shit crazy. Mad as a March Hare. Sick in the head. Bats in
the belfry. Loony toons.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:22 AM
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25. He's just an a$$hole, an insecure, self-serving and self-absorbed a$$hole
who deep down inside, hates himself and takes it out on just about everyone else. Lucky us. :sarcasm:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:24 AM
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26. I can go along with what the writer says except for one thing


he said if we left Iraq, Iran would take it over so smirk can't let that happen.


makes me wonder if the whole article was written just so those words would be read and thought true.

---
"Mr. Bush knows that things aren't going his way in Iraq, and he knows that it is damaging him politically. He also sees that it is likely to get worse no matter what he does, and in fact it may be a lost cause.
However, he recognizes that if he follows the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, that Iraq will almost certainly evolve into a puppet state of Iran, and given his treatment of Iran he will completely lose
control of the situation -- and he will be politically discredited for this outcome."
---


was the article written around the above paragraph? or is this just the writers take on what would happen if we left Iraq now?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 11:30 AM
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30. This Is So Silly! That Psych Should Return Their Diploma To The Cracker Jack Corporation.
I got a kick out of that. I really did. It was such a layman type psych write up that just about any one of us here could've penned in 5 minutes flat. Any psychiatrist that would actually have the arrogance to think they could evaluate someone effectively without actually speaking to them directly is a quack. It wouldn't surprise me if this person didn't even really exist or wasn't really a psychiatrist at all.

But if he is, then I hope his patients go somewhere else. What a Bill Frist wannabe. Too funny! :rofl:
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:59 PM
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33. Thank you, Dr. OPERATIONMINDCRIME
I think you do it on purpose.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1768713&mesg_id=1768853">OPERATIONMINDCRIME diagnoses Cindy Sheehan!

:rofl:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:08 PM
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35. You Really Think The Two Are Comparable? OH MY GOD YOU'RE TOO MUCH!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Talk about flawed analogies LOL

Too silly lyny skyny!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:06 PM
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40. see my post #39
The technique is used all the time.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 04:13 AM
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63. Profilers do it all the time. As others have mentioned in this thread.
And this case would even be easier.

The man's life, particularly his actions and speeches of the past eight years, are a matter of public record. Not to mention TWO biographies with many quotes from his own mouth.

I think that's quite enough for a basic assessment.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 12:17 PM
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31. I'm not psychiatrist but even I can see he's f**king nuts.
I don't think you really NEED the advanced degree to recognize when somebody is just plain crazy. I do think we all carry our own quirks and neurotic behaviors, but I think there are a few people in life who are SO far away from sane there just isn't much doubt.

You can hang whatever terminology you want to on it--you can call it "tetched in the haid" if you want to--but batshit crazy is not too tough to spot in some cases.

The Asswipe in the Oval Office is one of the crazy ones.



Laura
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:53 PM
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32. The Bottom Line: * is a rotten, sniveling, sonofabitch.
...something I really don't need a psychiatrist to tell me.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 02:06 PM
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34. What about the facial ticks? Any medications?? Side-effects???
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:02 PM
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38. as the survivor of marriage to an NPD-er...
...I knew from the moment Bush began to appear on the news in 1999 that he was a narcissist -- NPD. I would guess that anyone personally familiar with the disorder and traits pegged him early.

NPD-ers are dangerous. They tend to destroy those who stop providing the narcissistic supply.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:40 PM
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42. This guy might be a really fine doctor but he's at least as good a writer.
Really outstanding.

Thanks for posting.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:53 PM
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44. oh yes, "George W. Bush is ill. He has a psycho-spiritual dis-ease of the soul, a sickness that...
"...is endemic to our culture and symptomatic of the times in which we live. It is an illness that has been with us since time immemorial. Because it is an illness in the soul of all of humanity, it pervades the field and is in all of us in potential at any moment, which makes it especially hard to diagnose.

Bush's malady is quite different from schizophrenia, for example, in which different parts of the personality are fragmented and not connected to each other, resulting in a state of internal chaos. As compared to the dis-order of the schizophrenic, Bush can sound quite coherent and appear like a "regular" guy, which makes the syndrome he is suffering from very hard to recognize. This is because the healthy parts of his personality have been co-opted by the pathological aspect, which drafts them into its service. Because of the way the personality self-organizes an outer display of coherence around a pathogenic core, I would like to name Bush's illness "Malignant Egophrenia" (as compared to schizophrenia), or "ME disease," for short. If ME disease goes unrecognized and is not contained, it can be very destructive, particularly if the person afflicted is in a position of power."

read more here----> http://www.awakeninthedream.com/indexx.html
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:23 PM
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45. Do we need a pro to tell us that Busholini is a Silver Spoon
Sociopath?

Here is but one example: When Busholini was talking with a few mothers who lost sons to the Fiasco of Blood For Oil, he gave a mother a Pres. coin. He joked to her not to try to sell it on E-Bay. That's enough for me.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:46 PM
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59. hardly, i've seen him as a manipulative bully puppet from the Gitmo...
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:38 PM
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46. This makes Bush sound like he has an iota of sanity--I disagree
he hasn't figured anything out re Iran or anything else. He's a total off the wall loony, toes to toupe and if he thinks Iran will be an influence on Iraq it was only because somebody with a brain mentioned it to him and he happened to remember it.

Everything else is right on, although material covered before by others. Psychiatrists are officers of the court, why doesn't he exercise his obligation to secure Shrub in an approrpriate facility for evaluation?

Yeah, nobody else in DC will either, no matter how they sound the alarm.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:54 PM
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47. I am suspending judgment until I hear what Dr. Phil says
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:05 PM
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51. Had long suspected narcissism, lack of empathy, sociopathic tendencies, intellectual insecurity,
and fits of delusion, but take great comfort in knowing psychotic disorders are lacking in the mix.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:15 PM
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52. "why can't we the people do something?"
Because Ms Pelosi thinks that "George is a lovely man." Yes, she actually said that!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:22 AM
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71. We the people are going to be in a pickle until we the people really get stirred up
and throw all the rascals out.
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losthills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 08:16 PM
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53. Holy Sheet!
This guy just perfectly described my brother-in-law...
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 07:33 AM
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69. and mine
mine's in prison
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 09:00 PM
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56. A lot of us knew this much from
the get go..

"Now, I know what many of you are thinking -- is George Bush willing to risk the lives of hundreds, maybe thousands more American soldiers, on an outside chance to save his political skin, in a half-baked plan that even he knows probably won't work at all? Yes, he is. Because George Bush is that narcissistic, that desperate, and yes, that sociopathic as well."

For this alone buSHITS should be Impeached, Nancy.

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:19 PM
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58. So there is no way in stopping the inevitable? No empathy = no soul
My mother-inlaw is narcissistic. The two are truely very delusional and have no empathy.
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TaraWatchUSA Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 10:55 PM
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60. Ethics?
To the best of my knowledge it is unethical for a psychiatrist to diagnose someone casualy. It takes hours of clinical observation to do so. The same sort of shlock science was done about Clinton and his libido. This is a sad bid on the shrink's part for his or her 15 minutes of fame.
Vicki
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 07:07 AM
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68. You just really haven't been paying attention, have you?
Welcome to DU! You'll fit right in!
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:13 AM
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62. This professor is absolutely correct!
Edited on Mon Sep-10-07 12:19 AM by Maat
And my mother's personality is just like his, so I'm intimately familiar with it.

A person with this type of personality always causes so much destruction & pain ... and it bothers them not at all.

And, there's nothing wrong with the professor analyzing the situation and the behaviors. He's not trying to treat him, or intervene in his treatment, unlike Frist. He's giving society useful analysis to ponder (and its implications).

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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 04:42 AM
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64. kick. (n/t)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:06 AM
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65. k&r

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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:15 AM
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66. We should put Chuckle-nuts Bush on long term disability!
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:42 AM
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67. Can you verify that this is true or is it -
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:10 AM
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70. Right on every count.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 09:33 AM
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72. kick
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