Insane cop video - threatens citizen with false charges

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"To serve and protect"

Damn! I don't think so.

:wow:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2715792117793977759&hl=en

"This happened in a speed trap town in Missouri called St. George with only a few … all » officers that think they have more power than they really do. This happened outside of their jurisdiction and they have no police powers, except for felonies in progress, where they stopped me, according to state law.

The commuter lot is open 24 hours a day and can be confirmed by calling 1-888-Ask-MoDOT.

You can see me pass the officer at :08 seconds as he nearly blocks the road as he sits waiting for the next car without license plate lights to come by.

You’ll hear this officer tell me he’ll make up “9 different charges” including resisting arrest before he has even tried to arrest me. You’ll hear him say how I didn’t use my turn signal and I was weaving when the video clearly proves him wrong.

I truly thought if I didn’t suck up, I would be beaten and maybe killed.

I think the officers last name is Sgt. Kenline, but I am not sure on the spelling, if you know for sure, please email me".


Transcript here... http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?p=127978

[havocmom]

1. .

:popcorn:

[Kingshakabobo]

12. I need some of that popcorn in case the cop defenders show up to practice their unconditional love.

:popcorn:

Let's hear it from the gang that thinks you should be arrested for trying to exercise your 4th and 5th amendment rights. You know, for having a "bad attitude."

[Downtown Hound]

18. They never seem to show up whenever there's video like this

I think it's because it's much harder for them to spin their way out of it. It's kind of hard to look at that video and make excuses about how cops have a tough and thankless job and they're just trying to do the right thing but get no love from an ungrateful public and yadda yadda ya.

[havocmom]

23. Actually, cops DO have a rough & thankless job

made all the rougher by their colleagues who are BAD COPS.

I refuse to put all cops in one pigeon hole. Have known too many up close & personal, good & bad.

[EFerrari]

48. I agree. My neighborhood is cop and firefighter central.

The overwhelming majority are great people. And I have had horrible encounters with really, really bad cops.

[susanna]

53. I hear you, havocmom.

I never defend cops when they are so obviously in the wrong - ever.

My dad was a cop for 30 years, and though he was a "good" one, many on his force were not. He knew the difference, and always told me it was okay to speak out when they were not living up to their oath. So I've seen both sides. I can't reflexively think all cops are good, but then I can't reflexively believe they are all bad, either...

on edit: cops are not copies.

[uppityperson]

56. Exactly and thank you. There are some good and some bad & the bad make it worse for the good ones.

[havocmom]

21. Was wondering if receipts were called for

;)

[AX10]

2. K & R!

Disgusting!

:puke: :argh:

[flashl]

3. gEEZ ...

K&R

[BlooInBloo]

4. Cops suck.

[zeemike]

5. Where have you been all your life

The cops always threaten the people they deal with with extra charges to get them to "tell the truth" or cooperate with them.
Just watch any episode of Cops on TV and you will see it in action.
Apparently it is not against the Law for them to use coercion to get what they want.

[ProudDad]

27. You're right

as I remember it even went all the way to the Supreme Court and they affirmed that the cops could tell any lies they like as long as Miranda, etc. are complied with and the testimony would be admissible.

They pull shit like this to get you to say too much.

It's hard when dealing with cops but say NOTHING more than you absolutely have to because they'll lie and twist whatever you say...

And, yes, ALL cops are tools of the police state and therefore no matter how "nice" they are they are NOT ON YOUR SIDE!!! They can NOT to be trusted any further than you can lift and throw the Empire State Building...

[Auggie]

6. So how do you get a psycho like this off the force?

[Selatius]

16. Exercise your 4th/5th Amendment rights. When he violates it, make sure someone else is taping you.

Then leak the tape to the news and send another copy to your attorney.

[ProudDad]

30. You probably can't

and if you manage to, there will be 10 more just like him pop up like weeds from the dung heap...

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. What's with all these brown shirted thugs?

[Kingshakabobo]

8. Cop changes his attitude and starts to weasel AFTER he realizes he's on tape.

I'm not the least bit surprised. I've never known a cop, and I've known a few, that didn't admit to this type of perjury and/or piling-on.

"I have the power of the pen"......is what I have been told.

[DemGa]

9. ALL police/citizen interactions should be taped

from start to finish. Every traffic stop...everything. Too much abuse allowed for too long, it really should be stopped.

[Kingshakabobo]

10. That's what I have been saying for years.

The technology is there to put digital recorders on their belts. Every interaction should be recorded - from the time they put on the gun/badge, to the time they take it off. The recordings should be managed, kept and stored by a civilian entity.

[Zodiak]

11. Since every citizen has to expect to be surveilled 24/7

Then it is not too much to ask to have every trnsaction recorded.

If they don't like us looking over their shoulder, then they need to start providing reasons why we shouldn't. People die because of corrupt cops....people lose their trust in law and society as a whole because of corrupt cops.

[Xithras]

71. Watch out, some people are being arrested for THAT now.

Google "charged for recording police", and be amazed (or depressed) at the results you get back. People who have recorded police officers have been arrested and charged with everything from misdemeanor "interfering with the duties of a peace officer", to felony violations of state privacy and wiretapping laws (which, in most states, require the consent of both people before any recording can take place).

If you do put a camera in your car, the smartest thing you can do is keep your mouth shut about it. This kid f'ed up when he told the cop that he was being recorded. That cop could have reached into the car, pulled the tape, and it would have been his word against the cops that anything actually happened.

FWIW, I do a lot of writing, and I have an MP3 voice recorder in my car to record any inspirations that strike me while I'm driving down the road. The last two times I have been stopped (once for speeding, once for missing a turn signal), I've flipped the recorder on and let it run on the console. In both cases, the police officers were courteous and professional (and in the case of the turn signal, he let me off with just a warning).

[razors edge]

13. Take a look at this one.

Dog Day Afternoon

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-08-05/news/dog-day-afternoon/full

Sheriff Joe 's goons launched an assault to make a misdemeanor arrest. The Raid left a burned house, a terrified neighborhood and a dead dog.
By John Dougherty
Published: August 5, 2004

Justin Delfino looked out the window of his Ahwatukee home and couldn't believe what he was seeing.

It was shortly after noon on July 23 and several men dressed in black jeans and green shirts were getting out of an unmarked white Suburban, casually putting on flak jackets and helmets.

Soon the men were lingering in front of his neighbor's house in the upscale gated subdivision of quarter-million-dollar homes.


MCSO lost control of its tank, causing $4,000 damage to a neighbor's car.

[Kingshakabobo]

22. Here's a video of a Chicago Cop murdering someone and getting away with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNQnqwxy9Vc

[EFerrari]

50. But, cops themselves are alarmed about needless deaths

and they set up the Consensus Project after two people were shot in the same year in Milwaukee,iirc. They worked hard to bring all the stakeholders into the conversation.

www.consensusproject.org

[jollyreaper2112]

33. jesus christ

This is the sheriff in charge of the mess. This guy is fucking insane. I mean, we're talking torture, murder, like the fucker thinks he's running a prison in Iraq.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

Arpaio enlisted in the United States Army and served from 1950-1953. According to an April, 2001 article in Harper's magazine, Arpaio has stated that he is a veteran who served at the time of the Korean War. The article reports that he never actually served in Korea, but considers himself a veteran because he was in the Army while the war was going on. The article, by Barry Graham, called him "a loving husband, proud father, idealist, megalomaniac, liar, and bully. His nose is purple, his neck is red, and he has the charm of Archie Bunker. A cheerful, garrulous man who enjoys watching executions and often doesn't know where he is or why he is there."

[razors edge]

35. I wonder if

* is considering him for the AG spot?

[Selatius]

14. Watch out for the police officers who ride around on motorcycles

There are no cameras mounted on motorcycles as far as I know, so if this cop was doing this on a cycle, there would be no taped, impartial evidence at all.

[Zywiec]

15. Makes me sick

I would love to know what happened to SGT Kenline, if anything.

[Downtown Hound]

17. Boy this brings back memories

I recognized all the lines from this asshole pig. Some of them ran the same routine on me a few years back. Watching this was literally like going through deja vu.

And people wonder why I hate cops. Yeah, I know there's good ones, but the thing that pisses me off about cops in general is that the good ones do nothing to stop the bad ones. Cops have a code, and that fellow cop is your brother. Good cops would rather see citizens abused than turn on their fellow cops.

[MLFerrell]

19. And people wonder why some us aren't inclined to believe ANYTHING that a cop says...

Fuck this fucking pig. I sincerely hope that he gets sued, fired, deported, and seriously physically injured in the process.

Someone like this has NO place in a civilized society.

What would have happened to this poor kid had he not had his OWN camera rolling?

[hootinholler]

20. Kick n/t

[superkia]

24. I would get an attorney and atleats try to get him fired.

I doubt this is the worst this guy has done before, unless hes really unlucky and was videotaped the first time.

[Jed Dilligan]

25. Death would be too good for this fucker

I hope he has to live in extreme pain for decades after laying his shit on the wrong civilian...

[NavyDavy]

74. thats a little harsh, death? i think prison time and lost of all

pensions and benefits and his job would suffice, but death? some murderers in this country don't even get that....IMHO

[Jed Dilligan]

80. I didn't say death, I said a lifetime of pain

for the suffering he and his kind have inflicted on America. I'm talking karma, not legal penalties, if you can dig that.

As I said: death would be too good for this fucker.

[OzarkDem]

26. Rumor I've heard about some MO police forces

Many of those in small to midsize towns' police forces have been infiltrated by the KKK/White Supremacist movement. Probably not the first or last time its happened.

Columbia, MO city cops (home of Missouri University) are under investigation by the DOJ for police brutality, and its believed some of their members are active in the KKK.

Be careful, talk to an attorney and go after them if they violate your rights.

[ProudDad]

28. Good reason to always carry some recording device (n/t)

[ProudDad]

29. I posted a link to this thread here

If you think the Circuit City threads are silly, don't read this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1761655

Some on that other thread don't seem to realize that it's a linear progression from the police state tactics operating against this guy busted outside Circuit City for not showing his ID to some cop when it was clearly unnecessary to what happened to you.

[ProudDad]

31. What an insane "conversation"...

This cop is special even for cops...

Paranoid Schizophrenic, anyone?

"one of the most damaging of all mental disorders---causes its victims to lose touch with reality. They often begin to hear, see, or feel things that aren't really there (hallucinations) or become convinced of things that simply aren't true (delusions). In the paranoid form of this disorder, they develop delusions of persecution or personal grandeur. The first signs of paranoid schizophrenia usually surface between the ages of 15 and 34. There is no cure, but the disorder can be controlled with medications. Severe attacks may require hospitalization."

Delusions of grandeur...catch-22...


You're lucky you're still in one piece...

[troubleinwinter]

32. Why do you accept this as any more "real" than the Osama tapes?

Did you see the video of the "red-necks" harrasing the couple in the convertable a couple of months ago? Hoax.

In this case there is no arrest. No ticket. No nuthin'. No way to track it. Did the "victim" ask for the officer's name or badge number? NOOOOOOO.

Do you video yourself constantly while driving in the late evening? I don't.

I'll watch Snopes for awhile, but this looks like prank/hoax to me. If one cares enough to video, would one not ask for the officer's name or number?

Whatevah.

(EDIT: Ooops! Sorry, my post was intended to address OP)

[Kingshakabobo]

34. You compare THIS to the Osama tape?

:rofl:

Hint: The "red neck" video was clearly a fake. I hope you didn't need snopes to clue you in on it.

Back to the OP.

1) He DID ask for the cop's name......and received it.

2.) No ticket? He was well on his way to getting a ticket - maybe worse - when little piggy realized he was on camera......at that point, little piggy's attitude changed - trying to "pre-excuse" his own corrupt behavior by, among other things, claiming the kid was making threatening "arm movements" ..... justifying his threat of a phony "resisting" charge.

3) A lot of people keep cameras in their vehicles for this very reason. IMO, more people need to do it.

Last but not least:

4) The kid is a moderator at Copwatch.com. He has a history and track record of taping cops.

Why is this interaction with a pig so hard for you to believe?

[troubleinwinter]

40. "Hint: The "red neck" video was clearly a fake."

Apparently it wasn't clear to many people, as it was circulated around here and other places as being genuine. Whatever.

"1) He DID ask for the cop's name......and received it." Can you direct me to the portion of the tape where this occurred? I seem to have overlooked it. I never heard the citizen ask the name of the officer, but after four listenings, it seems the cop offered the name? Sergeant Kimmerling? Kimmerly? This is good... something to follow up on, eh?

"He was well on his way to getting a ticket" Nothing shows us that, no ticket was issued, whereby the incident could be confirmed in any way.

"3) A lot of people keep cameras in their vehicles for this very reason." Ok, I didn't know that. I don't think I know anyone at all who does.

"4) The kid is a moderator at Copwatch.com." I didn't know that either. Would you give me his name and where I can read that.

Interesting that the person you call "the kid" (he identified himself as a 20 year old man) managed to insert he'd been been "assaulted by a (drunk) police officer" and that "the City of St. Louis paid me not to sue". Usually people with such experience know enough to call it "a settlement out of court". You seem pretty familiar with this person, got a link to that?

Your comments of "little piggy's", "little piggy" and "pig" are not overlooked. I lived in Berkeley in the 60s, and know the use of it quite well.

If the video is legit, the officer must be fired forthwith.

Keep us updated on this, will ya?

[clu]

37. not to derail the thread but

can i get a cite for proof that the redneck harassment video was faked?

[havocmom]

38. Cuz I'm from Missouri

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39. Snopes be damned.

:smoke:

FWIW... I'm a firm believer in 'innocent until proven guilty', but I question the sanity of a litigious society when the press has to use the term "alleged" when the evidence is pretty cut and dry.

Officer on unpaid leave after alleged threats against driver caught on tape

05:26 PM CDT on Monday, September 10, 2007

(KMOV) - An area police officer is on unpaid leave after making a series of verbal threats to a driver.

The incident happened around 2 a.m. Saturday in a commuter parking lot near I-55 and Revis Barracks in St. George.

It started when Brett Darrow pulled in the lot to meet with friends. Sgt. James Kuehnlein followed him and quickly got upset when the driver asked why he was being pulled over.

That driver caught the officer on tape cursing and even threatening to make up charges against him.

More...

[troubleinwinter]

42. I give!!!!

Kuehnlein must be fired forthwith.

[troubleinwinter]

44. I posted your confirmation in the general thread.

[A HERETIC I AM]

36. WHAT A MONUMENTAL DICKHEAD!

I would venture to guess that the only reason that asshole joined the police force was because it was the only way he was EVER going to get anyone to call him "Sir".

He probably has a tiny dick, too.

I like the bit where the cop tells him his scanner is a "burglary tool" because he can listen to cops with it. Cops like that make me want to puke.

[EFerrari]

41. This happens every day and all over.

Be careful out there, people. :(

[troubleinwinter]

45. Yes, but we must make sure things are vetted. This was.

[EFerrari]

47. I don't see how we can. And, it looks like the police are now

being trained to treat us all like potential terrorists.

These aren't the cops I grew up with. :shrug:

[troubleinwinter]

51. How many cops are there?

How many are good, how many are bad?

C'mon. I know you work with many of them.

[EFerrari]

52. I do. The thing is, something has happened.

As I posted somewhere on this thread, my hood is full of cop and firefighter families and they are awesome community people. We work together on a bunch of stuff.

But, don't we every day see some awful story of people being detained, arrested, tasered for nada? I can't help thinking the training has gone wrong. It's the Patriot Act or something, I don't know what. But I wouldn't dial 911 if I was on fire any more and that, all by itself, is a shame and probably dangerous. :(

Edit: But I agree that it's too easy to be suckered by false reports of abuse. Been there.

[troubleinwinter]

54. "I wouldn't dial 911 if I was on fire any more"

Are you asserting that our emergency workers are inept / uncaring / working for the GOP or what?

[EFerrari]

55. No and yes. I dialed 911 once when Doug was on a rampage

and ended up in custody myself. Then, I was made to sign a slip that said I hadn't been arrested.

lol

I'd last about ten minutes in that job. And, imho, there's something going on with the training because there has been a shift in attitude and that can be dangerous.

Maybe what I'm trying to say is that our first responders have too much on their hands to be able to do the job they want to do. I had one kid say to me, "I just bought a house and have a new baby. I HAVE to arrest SOMEBODY."

As a peer counselor, I work with first responders all the time. But as a person, I see their position being coopted. That's not good for them, for their mission or for people who rely on them.

[troubleinwinter]

57. So what are you saying?

That they are incompetant? Liars? Economically challenged? "Coopted"?

How can you be made to sign a slip that you weren't arrested? Were you?

[EFerrari]

59. They have to work within unworkable rules.

I was arrested. And then, because it was a bad arrest, they asked me to sign a slip that said I was only "detained". When you are in jail and an armed person asks you to sign a statement, you sign. As much to make them go away as to get out.

That's what I mean. It makes no sense. They're not liars or incompetent but if we had a printout of their job description as it really truly is, it would make no sense and we would be shocked.

[troubleinwinter]

58. Yeah, me too.

I called 911 once.

An ambulance came. The EMTs were better & smarter than all the doctors put together.

All is well.

[EFerrari]

60. I'm not trying to put down these people at all. They do

an amazing job despite of the crap they have to work around, trouble.

[flashl]

66. I agree with your point about LEO training

While listening to a family member discussing their "training", I became alarmed. Knowing them, I asked if they REALLY understood the level of brainwashing they were undergoing. Trainers of the blackwater ilk were teaching recruits alertness and protection. After several of these "courses", it is understandable how recruits could become paranoid and schizophrenic. The alertness training reinforced with daily dosages of seeing the worst cases of humans is a problem. After all, we are human beings, how do you turn that type of crap off when you are "trained" to feel that the world is out to get you.

[ProudDad]

73. All are supposed to do the dirty work of their masters...

and WE ain't their "masters"...

So, by definition, training, actions and mission -- they're generally bad news...

The most illustrative was where the cops lined up during the Compton insurrection after the King verdict...between the homes of black and brown people and the upscale homes of white people...

Nuff said...

[troubleinwinter]

43. Confirmed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1773373&mesg_id=1779066

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68. More...

Officer in trouble over motorist's video in South County
By Patrick M. O'Connell and Georgina Gustin
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
09/11/2007

ST. GEORGE — A car-mounted video camera — more commonly used by police than against them — captured a loud and threatening confrontation in this tiny St. Louis County community that left an officer on suspension and the whole world able to listen in.

The picture doesn't show much, but the audio part of the recording, posted on Google Video and YouTube on the Internet, brought more than 300 protest calls to St. George Police Chief Scott Uhrig.

"I was very displeased when I saw the actions on the video," Uhrig said. "My officers are not trained and taught to act like that."

He put Sgt. James Kuehnlein on unpaid suspension pending further investigation.

Complete article

[GETPLANING]

46. This guy "Brett" goes around with a camera

baiting cops and videotaping their reactions. I have found a few of his other videos on Google Video and YouTube. Not sure what his goal is, but he sure is showing what NOT to say to cops...

[troubleinwinter]

49. It seems he does

"bait cops". But what he says verbally seems mild. In this particular video, it appears that he pulled directly in front of the cop vehicle in order to provoke a confrontation. Cop claims Brett was driving iratically and pulled in without turn signal. We don't know. It isn't shown.

It seems that this is Brett's "hobby"... deliberately provoking cops at 2:00 a.m.

Cop seems to be a complete dick (and likely should be fired), but so does Brett.

[DaveJ]

61. It is shown. We see his turn signal.

The cop also threatened to say he was driving erratically, which I believe was a lie. I have had several integrations with cops over more serious matters and they all were professional (except for one but still he was nothing like this guy). I would have been scared to death if I were that kid. He may have been asking for it but the cop is a criminal himself for making such threats and should be in jail.

[troubleinwinter]

62. The "kid" is a 20 year old man who has an interest in police.

(from post #34) "The kid is a moderator at Copwatch.com. He has a history and track record of taping cops."

I doubt he was "scared to death". If we take him at his word, he has previously been paid by the city for a previous inappropriate interaction with an off-duty policeman.

He keeps a video camera while driving, apparently for the occaisions when he pulls into commuter lots at 2:00 a.m. What is the clicking? Sounds like a heart monitor? Seems odd to me. "Pain & Suffering", maybe.

Nonetheless, this officer should be fired if it is as it appears to be.

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67. Clicking sound is a radar detector.

[DaveJ]

69. The way I see it he's doing a service

I'm glad there are people like him out there so cops can always wonder if they are being video taped. You're right that the guy probably is not scared but 'I' would have been. The cop was threatening him with jail time and destroying his entire life when he did absolutely nothing wrong (even before the cop saw the camera). The officer appears mentally unstable, or just an ass who deserves some kind of punishment.

I'm not sure if threatening people the way he did is illegal, but I wonder if the cop would have gone through with his threats (or more) had he not seen the camera. Who knows, bringing the cop's behavior to the public's attention have saved someone else's life.

[Kingshakabobo]

63. "but so does Brett"....LOL. You just can't see your way clear to NOT blame the victim here. Can you?

Baited? uh-huh..........."but so does Brett".......Right.

Brett asked questions of a cop and asserted his rights.

The cop? Oh, he probably only committed a felony and official misconduct by threatening to file false charges and commit perjury...

BTW, I don't know what video YOU watched but it was clear the kid DIDN'T "drive erratically" and DID, in fact, use his signals on BOTH turns.

"We don't know. It isn't shown.".......Um, yes it was.

[GETPLANING]

64. "Brett" baits the cops

He has another video out where he intentionally drives up on a DWI checkpoint and gets himself hauled out of his car for questioning, by refusing to answer a simple question. What he is showing us is how out of control cops are and how dangerous their attitude is. I think "Brett" is taking a big risk in doing this, and I am glad that people like him are putting this out for all to see. The cop in the commuter lot needs to lose his job over this video. Every law enforcement professional in America should demand it.

[Crabby Appleton]

70. Dangerous game the kid is playing

he may run into a real hard ass cop one day.

[jayfish]

72. Maybe You Should Watch The Video Again.

He used his signal everytime he turned and did not pull out directly in front of a Police Cruiser. And as far as the baiting cops things goes:

Darrow said he installed the cameras in his Nissan Maxima after past run-ins with police. He said he was involved in a physical confrontation in 2005 with an off-duty St. Louis police officer, in a case Darrow said was later dismissed.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/EF3667C80165B68086257353001498DC?OpenDocument

Now, even if he was baiting the cop, so what. Only law enforcement gets to bait people into doing stupid shite?


Jay

[Jed Dilligan]

81. Good for him

He's brave and doing a great public service. Every one of these assholes should be weeded out, fired, and forced to live in shame.

[qdemn7]

65. On Board Systems

http://obsusa.com/index.html

This is touted as a "security system" but apparently you can trigger it manually. Perfect for just such occasions as above. Only problem is that the buffer is only 2 minutes long with a 512mb card. With an 8GB card you could record 32 minutes assuming the system could recognize an 8GB card.

[OzarkDem]

75. Thanks for the link n/t

[spindoctor]

76. Do you always have a camera running in your car? n/t

[bbernardini]

77. UPDATE: Officer has been suspended.

http://snipurl.com/1qlw8

[MLFerrell]

78. Good!

Have fun at the unemployment office, asshole!

[lonestarnot]

79. Yeah!

:applause: Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

[loudsue]

82. Is there a link to the YouTube video? The other one won't play on my computer.

:hi: Thanks in advance!

:kick: