These ridiculous 9/11 commercials ...

[Akoto]

Has anyone seen these? They apparently have quite a few different people (soldiers, mothers, etc) speaking out in favor of staying overseas. One just came on following my local news. Not an exact quote, but more or less:

"If we retreat now, the terrorists will think they can do whatever they want. The surge is starting to work, give it more time. We've already had one 9/11, we don't need another!"

I guess nobody's clued these people in that Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists that attacked us. We need to look to our so-called ally nations for that.

EDIT: This blog has one of the commercials. It's not the same one, but it comes from the same group. http://buckdogpolitics.blogspot.com/2007/08/freedoms-watch-pro-surge-commercials.html

[Chipper Chat]

1. We must produce these commercials over here

so we dont have to produce them over there.

[valerief]

2. If we don't buy in to the war over here, how will our soldiers buy in to the war over there? nt

[liberal N proud]

3. How much will these cost us

bu$h spent millions of tax dollars trying to steal Social Security.

[Akoto]

4. Added a link to one video in my original post. n/t

[AngryOldDem]

5. I saw one with a guy who had his legs blown off.

Says he would go back if he could.

[spanone]

6. Pure Propaganda nothing more nothing less....

i don't find them ridiculous, i find them insulting and undemocratic

[shanti]

7. yes

and i posted about this (with few responses) last week. it's pretty sickening, isn't it?

[ThatsMyBarack]

8. What a pile of Bushiat!

:puke:

[Vinnie From Indy]

9. The bigger question is whether networks are running these for free

I would bet that many of these commercials are being run without having to pay the going rate. I could be wrong, but considering the way the SwiftBoaters were able to garner tens of millions of dollars of free publicity under the guise of "news" reporting, I wouldn' be surprised.

[debbierlus]

10. It is so GROSS.

[Drum]

11. And the scene near "ground zero" in NYC

is just perverse: packed with people hawking wares. Really gross, and scarily nationalistic. Less like mourning than like a reminder to beat war drums.

:(

[MatrixEscape]

12. Well, you still watch TV.

That's your fault and your problem. Maybe watching it seems important and very valid to you still. Maybe, if you don't watch it, you might feel like you are missing something meaningful and pertinent to real life. Maybe peer pressure or addiction are at play here. I don't know.

Some of us have just turned off the satellite, cable, or what have you. We try to use the Internet to find as much truth as possible. Guess what? Our children no longer are assailed by ads and propaganda. That is a real boon. It is a lot easier to teach them truth and even get them to eat REAL FOOD when they are not constantly manipulated to do the contrary against our wishes.

Why give validity to something you know only exists to give you messages and influence you in the name of entertainment? I suggest you try going with that new religious, video altar of influence. It is just an electronic church that teaches everything that you are starting to see is wrong with today's world, and it does it with gusto and bravado as if it is going to save you from something like an unfillable hole in your soul ... for a price. Would you believe, $39.95? You are just letting your brain waves be influenced and duped into an alpha-atate that makes you more prone to suggestion while the madness around you draws you to that solution, rather than actually doing something about it.

You talk about drugs. TV is an opium for the masses that was never dreamed of for tyranny's in times gone by. In this case, the subjects love and adore the very tool that is used to subjugate them and their children. And then, the have the balls to wonder why their kids are not only out of control, but sucking every penny from them they can ... and then, their kids prove to be so dependent on them that they either never move out and get their own lives, or they stay with you forever. Did you think that was natural? Well, yes, economics, (thanks to to how broadcast TV keeps an artificial state going) is a factor, but what supports what is going on now? Is the TV telling you how to fix the problems, or is it selling you ways to feel better about the problems being created while you imagine that the quick-fix you were sold would matter?

Disconnect now, before it is too late. Drop your broadcast, cable, and satellite. Keep your Internet and learn to discern between what is write and what is bullshit. Then, teach your children well. That is a solution that awaits us all. It could just very well be the one we need, in the end.

[Akoto]

13. Wow, um ...

I hate to tell you, but I've been on the internet since long before it became popular, and it's LOADED with bullshit. Just like television, people will say all sorts of unwarranted crap when they don't have to look you in the eye.

That said, I live in Florida and can't really afford to not have a television, particularly during hurricane season.

[MatrixEscape]

15. Yes, you are correct.

But it can be INTERACTIVE in a real-time way and therefore, subject to your ability to compare and discern.

That is the difference between PASSIVE and ONE-WAY media and other forms. I hope you can see that clearly. With media, you are a cast as a passive observer. On the Internet, you can also be passive and just observe and accept what you come across. However, it does give you a larger opportunity to research, compare, discuss, and question whatever you encounter without someone screening you before you go live on a radio show or television event.

I would hope that difference would be both obvious and worthy of notice. Interactive is a word that needs more prevalence in today's nomenclature and the idea of one-way communication will, hopefully, become as archaic as an icebox. For now, people seem to be very comfortable with being told what to think and do and then left to ineffectually react in a cathartic way while not noticing that their aspect of the equation equals nothing but subservience and dead-ends.

[MatrixEscape]

14. I would just like to add ...

Even though you know mostly pay for it, (back in the old days, the shows existed to provide a medium for commercials) it is a good idea to ask if the whole process of sitting there, blank-faced and distracted, with your family who no longer sits around the dinner table to talk intimately about life and experiences, is really of any benefit to you at all?

If you could see the whole idea of commercial television as a circular route from the Dominators to you, then you could understand that they have a tool in their hands that is worth more than gold itself. It comes from them and goes into your home and you most passively accept it. If you didn't, then there would be less home shopping channels and infomercials and that problem of zillions of channels but nothing is on, that we all encounter in that Twilight Zone.

Can you still believe that you actually let this mind-fucking/sucking device tend to the intellectual development children form their most vulnerable and early years on, and allow it to inform them while you are away? You actually let corporations and the government behind them have total access to your children's minds while you are not watching? Then, you bitch and moan about what your kids want and how they reach to your authority, and wonder about how they behave? Well, shame on you, then! I am not for total, strict, unthinking parental authority, but we have a total disconnect here when it comes to raising our children and doing our parts in getting them from vulnerable, dependent little organisms, to mature, thinking, adults who can take total are of themselves in most situations. If we think about it, that is the job we have as parents. If we look at it clearly and with concern, the corporations are using THEIR television to induce our children to tell us how it is going to go so that they can become totally dependent on the source of that information. In other words, television equates to selling our own children out to a more dominant parent. Is that what this electronic babysitter means to you? Is that what you really wanted?

Take some time to watch what your kids are watching. If you are intelligent and observant, you will soon see that it runs totally coutner to your job as a parent, both intellectuality and reasonably. The corporate ownership and sponsorship of what you are allowing to be inserted into your child's mind is about making them more and more dependent on consumerism and need for an artificial sense of reality that is most totally divorced from survival in a real and natural world. They are not being prepared for anything that approximates what is natural and what has been there for eons before this era. Did you want them to be slaves to that? Are you now a slave to that without a way to ascertain just how much a simple box with a display could change the whole course of humanity and what it means to exist just so that a few families and a band of Elite could turn the force, torture, religion, and violence that they once used to move and subvert great masses, into a more enjoyable and less obvious means of persuasion and total control?

Televisions works so perfectly that it is creating the World as we know it in the image of those who are behind it. If you don't like what you are seeing in today's life, turn it OFF, NOW! Too much damage has been done and there are many alternatives, like DVD's, board games, whatever! Maybe you can try doing things with your family, adopting some hobbies, helping others, thinking ... anything is better than that MINDLESS, wakeful sleep that is both a drug and a legalized escapism, despite the far-reaching and negative impact it has on our obviously necessary growth and survival as an intelligent species with so vast a potential.

Turn the darn thing off and you can save money and maybe gain a life that you never imagined. Otherwise, go worry about the bullshit they feed you and your kids and wonder why things don't seem right. American Idol might be just what you need right now, ey?