Battle lines are being drawn

[Ghost in the Machine]

I just heard Ike Skelton say that "protesters will not be tolerated and will be prosecuted"...

Hey Ike? FUCK YOU! You, and every other congressperson in office. You shitbags are going to learn the hard way what We, The PEOPLE are going to "tolerate". Who the *fuck* do you think you are?? Do you forget *who* you work for?? We will protest you any fucking time we feel like it because we put your asses where you are today. YOU answer to US, not the other way around. If you don't like it, get the fuck out of OUR HOUSE..... NOW!, while you have the chance to do it under your own power and consent.

The time has come to remind these bastards WHO they work for.

/rant

[Deep13]

1. You have such a post-1776 mentality. nt

[Ghost in the Machine]

5. LOL!

:hi:

[meegbear]

2. Who? (D'oht!)

Nevermind.

[TwilightGardener]

3. If protesters disrupt the hearings, does that serve anybody? I'd like

to hear what the gentlemen have to say.

[Ghost in the Machine]

6. The one I just witnesses was apparently during a break...

I agree they shouldn't interrupt, but citizens should be free to speak up and speak out during a break.

[TwilightGardener]

9. I'm OK with it as long as they're not disrupting the actual proceedings.

[ananda]

23. But what if the proceedings themselves are a corrupt farce?

As these are!!!

[TwilightGardener]

24. I don't believe that's true. One's opinion does not make it true, and anyway, as

a citizen, taxpayer and voter, I'd prefer the proceedings to unfold uninterrupted and without distraction.

[endarkenment]

25. fuck the hearings.

fuck business as usual

fuck the kleptocratic war party and duopoly inc.

fuck our misrepresentatives who are going to give george fucking bush another 50 billion and use this fucking hearing as cover.

[sandnsea]

4. Oh that's mature - where ARE the grown ups anyway

If you want a voice in that House - get elected. If you want to speak, get a seat at a hearing table.

And if you want to disrupt a hearing - at least craft a simple message that PEOPLE CAN HEAR.

[Ghost in the Machine]

7. I don't *have* to "get elected" to have a voice in that House. All of us have a RIGHT

to have a voice in the government, as mandated by our Constitution.

I agree that the protesters should be more organized, and try to get their message out in a clear, concise manner. Aren't they allowed to speak or ask questions during breaks?

[sandnsea]

8. It wasn't during a break

And yes, if you want a voice IN that House - you need to get elected to have it. You don't have any more right to disrupt that meeting than a bunch of right wingers would have to disrupt an abortion hearing with pictures of fetuses. It's wrong.

[movonne]

10. Yes, but they are allowed to do it...we get draged off to jail..not fair,

but nothing is fair anymore...

[sandnsea]

13. No they aren't

You can't just make shit up because it sounds good, and then convince yourself you've made a valid argument. You haven't. It's just smack talk.

[Ghost in the Machine]

11. The one I saw was during a break... I hear now that others were removed before this

Other than that, I'll have to respectfully disagree with your view of having to be elected to have any voice in that House, or any part of our government. Democracy is NOT a spectator sport. We elect these people, they work for us, and we have every right in the world to oppose them and speak out against them..

[sandnsea]

12. They "caused" the break

There wouldn't have been any break if they weren't being escorted out. Are you really going to try to pretend that isn't what happened?

Or that people should just be allowed to interrupt all hearings and floor debates, and just to hell with the elected representatives?

No wonder we have such a hell of a time winning new voters to our side.

[Ghost in the Machine]

14. was that the one where they were dragging the older lady out by the arms?

I thought that was right when Betrayus ended testimony and they were going to switch to the Ambassador. I was cooking and half-assed listening on the tv. I really didn't focus on it until I heard the screaming, but I thought Betrayus was done.

And yes, I think we should be able to speak out any time we want. If one of our elected officials is bald faced LYING, they should be called out on it immediately. Just because the Rules of Congress (or whatever) say that they have to treat each other with respect on the floor doesn't mean that WE have to. Call a liar a liar and get it out in the open.

On the same token, if someone giving testimony to our elected officials is lying their ass off, they need to be called out too.

Political Correctness only goes so far, ya know.. I'm a firm believer that we need to start playing some 'smashmouth politics'.

[sandnsea]

15. And he started talking because he was done?

If you weren't even watching, why are you arguing with people who were?

NOW they are having a break.

[Ghost in the Machine]

16. I didn't hear Betrayus speak any more after Skelton made his declaration,

which is the subject of my OP anyways, but maybe I missed something.

[sandnsea]

17. Skelton said "proceed", Petraeus proceeded to talk - YOU AREN'T EVEN WATCHING n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

19. I think we're talking about two different times. No, I'm not watching *now*,

but I just went and looked and see that he is on again. What I saw was when they broke earlier to go from Betrayus to the Ambassador.

I *did* just see them drag another one out though, and she did disrupt the proceedings while Betrayus was speaking.

[sandnsea]

20. No, I'm talking about the earlier scene

There was no break. Period.

[superkia]

21. Also when our officials dont stand up for the public, we should do something?

At some point we will all be forced to protest in ways like this.

[sandnsea]

31. They are standing up - sorry you aren't listening

They're asking you to stand up and put pressure on the centrist Republicans who ARE moving towards setting a deadline for withdrawal. But you're listening to the people who scream for a deadline one week, then scream for something else as soon as Democrats start fighting for what they asked for in the first place. If Democrats started pushing for defunding, this bunch would just find some other rant to be disruptive about.

[endarkenment]

26. The grown ups are in Washington funding more criminal war.

I'll side with the immature assholes like code pink who have the balls to show up and say no.

[Karenina]

27. Thank you.

[sandnsea]

29. No, they're fighting to Set A Deadline

which the idiot code pinkers couldn't even manage to get out of their mouths.

[endarkenment]

34. Dream on.

How many times are you going to get disappointed by these idiots before you figure it out?

[sandnsea]

35. Get the votes yourself

If you're so much better than they are.

[bryant69]

18. If we are lucky we will get to fight a good little battle right here

Talk about convenience!

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. 1968 anyone?

Ah yes, the Democratic Convention will be LOTS of fun

By the by, for once I am happy my city did not even apply for this...

[Telly Savalas]

39. Fuck 1968.

Why use the playbook of a losing team?

What gains were made by that circus? The war dragged on for six more years, only ending because folks were sick of turning on the TV news every night to see kids being brought home in body bags.

The Left didn't win any political representation in the short or long term.

The last 39 years have largely sucked from the standpoint of having good government. Is the goal to extend this another 39 years?

[lovuian]

28. well its hard to prosecute and Imprison Millions thats why they

have to nip these Protests in the bud but the atmosphere is getting more and more heated

they Corporates haven't a clue

[Greyhound]

36. Sinclair Lewis, "It Can't Happen Here", the Corpos.

We've been warned time and again for well over a century, maybe this time we'll make the changes that are required for change.

[SidDithers]

30. Nobody's right, if everybody's wrong...

Young people speakin' their minds
Gettin' so much resistance, from behind
Think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look whats going down.

Sid

[Greyhound]

37. ...so much resistance from behind...

too true.
:kick:

[Greyhound]

32. I hope you are right, for this is a battle in the ongoing war against

the citizens and their liberty by the ruling class. We had better wake up soon, or the war will be lost and we won't even have tried.

[rucky]

33. Battle lines drawn right here at DU

Apparently some folks think protesting is wrong.

Because posting online has been so darn effective?

[Cha]

41. Don't wanna get my

duff outta my 'puter chair. ;) But, I don't want anyone else doin' it.

[dogday]

38. The United States Constitution Bill Of Rights

Amendment I


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Sounds like a violation of the Constitution to me....

[Bluerthanblue]

42. sounds like we listen to the same

fiddler-

:hi:

[Cha]

40. The real news here is that

there are Protesters at these meetings..this country is getting riled and it's only going to get messier.

So ike better untwist his pissy knickers and get used to it.

[autorank]

43. Here's what I think of this post, no punches pulled.

"You cannot add this user to your buddy list because this user is already in your list."