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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:29 PM
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Chris Bowers: Republican Ability To Blur On Iraq in 2008 Becoming More Likely
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Republican Ability To Blur On Iraq in 2008 Becoming More Likely
by: Chris Bowers
Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 17:14:44 PM EDT

Watching today's goings-on related to Iraq, I am starting to see a path for a total Democratic collapse on the issue of Iraq for the 2008 elections. Given the following, it now seems entirely possible to me that Republicans will be able to thoroughly blur the differences between the two parties on the subject, thus eliminating any possibility of a second wave election that would cement a realignment. Here are the problems:

1. Among both members of Congress and Presidential candidates, the vast majority of Democratic plans to re-deploy out of Iraq leave substantial amounts of residual forces in the country.

2. Democrats in Congress have failed to make any dent in the war, and are now openly discussing compromise with Republicans.

3. One of the compromise plans includes a bi-partisan bill that sets withdrawal as a goal, but does not actually mandate it. This will allow numerous Republicans to make it appear as though they are in favor of withdrawal from Iraq just as much as Democrats are, since they both proposed the same bill, and then voted the same way on that bill. This is particularly important, since the majority of Republican sponsors of the bill are on the frontline of Democratic pickup possibilities in 2008. In the House, the districts they represent include IL-10, NY-25, NY-29, PA-03, PA-06, PA-15, WA-08, VA-11, all of which are clear Democratic pickup opportunities. In the Senate, the sponsors include highly endangered Republicans Susan Collins, John Sununu, and Pete Domenici. Basically, we are talking about giving cover to Republicans in at least half of our top-tier pickup opportunities. There are also several more second and third tier possibilities in that sponsor list.

4. Today, Petraeus outlined a possible redeployment plan that would remove all combat troops by 2010, and leave a residual force presence of 60,000 non-combat troops in Iraq in 2012. Yglesias has the chart from Petreaus's presentation showing this plan.

5. According to a Diageo Hotline poll from July (PDF), only 37% of Americans believe Rudy Giuliani would continue the war in Iraq, while 37% believe he would end it within a year or less. For McCain, 26% believe he would end the war, while 44% believe he would continue it. When it comes to Romney, 22% believe he would end the war, while 34% believe he would continue it. In every case, a majority of Americans are unaware that major Republican presidential candidates want to continue the war in Iraq at its current level. The blurring as already begun.

6. The escalation will end next summer, simply because we will run out of troops to deploy to Iraq. However, it could still look like withdrawal has started, and that Republicans are in favor of it.

Now, this is something of a doomsday electoral scenario for Democrats, and there is no guarantee it will happen. Right now, according to the same Diageo / Hotline poll, a Democratic member of Congress is viewed as ready to end the war by a 68%-20% margin, while a Republican member of Congress is only viewed as likely to end the war by a 35%-46% margin. Further, in all likelihood, the Bush administration won't actually withdraw any troops that they don't have to, and troops level sin Iraq will remain at least at pre-escalation levels going into 2008. However, the possibilities for potential blurring of the two parties in key elections are mounting, and that is something to worry about. This is largely due to the actions of Democrats by proposing indeterminate numbers of residual forces, and by their willingness to engage in meaningless "compromise" that does nothing but give Republicans cover. We are not yet in a position where the differences between the two parties has been truly blurred on this issue, but it isn't hard to see how that could happen in the future unless we change our tactics now.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:33 PM
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1. ...
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ah...compromise and the language of cover..."mistakes" and "policy failures"

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:33 PM
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2. Well no one could have seen THAT coming!
:banghead:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:35 PM
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3. No surprise since they just re-stocked the "dry powder" supply...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:50 PM
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4. And why I predict the Dems will loose
the Senate, if not the house as well and chances are will not the take the WH eithr

by the by, this same strategy was used in '88 to take back the white house and we never prosecuted the Reagan WH over Iran Contra

You tell me... keeping that powder dry got us oh Dukakis right?

It is STOOPID and many round these parts will be shocked I tell you when the prediction above comes to pass
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 05:58 PM
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5. Pair those sentiments with THIS:
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:01 PM
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6. They can blur with success because the Democrats
will not fight back.

Until Democrats use some of the same tactics as GOP they will
always come out on the short end of the stick.

The GOP plan and will carry out a long term occupation of
Iraq. There are no other plans.
If you watch TV, esp. Faux you can see it as plain as day.

It is important for GOP to win the next Presidential Election
so they can more easily carry on the occupation.

We can win but it means we have to FIGHT and know that it is
not going to be easy.

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 10:43 AM
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10. They don't disagree
so they don't fight. It's the only possible answer at this point.

It's likely nothing will change in '08.

The Democrats won't improve their position in either chamber.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:12 PM
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7. Now where did I put that post?
Edited on Mon Sep-10-07 06:13 PM by Donna Zen
Anyway, long ago I wrote a post about the weakness of entering an election with a candidate that is trying to cover up their own pro-war vote. You see they will not use strong language or even permit an emphasis on the war; in fact, they would just as soon not discuss the war at all.

If you have been watching closely as I have, you would have seen plenty of tap dancing to avoid the dreaded charge of flip-flop. Yes, I know that former Senator Edwards has denouced his vote...but others haven't.

I'm not getting good vibes about this, and caution those who would praise the rooster before they see the dawn.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 06:44 PM
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8. Who's Chris Bowers?
Doesn't this belong in Editorial/Opinion, anyway?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-11-07 10:40 AM
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9. No, people discuss editorials here, too.
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