****** Official Thread Siegelman = "KARL ROVE WAS DEEPLY INVOLVED" *******

[L. Coyote]

LIVE NOW = http://cfuv.uvic.ca/

2002 election was RIGGED!!!

[cali]

1. keep us posted

and thanks again for your work on this story.

[pacalo]

5. I second that -- much appreciated!

[L. Coyote]

35. Here you go. Tons of articles and more

TPM Don Siegelman Archive: http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/cats/don_siegelman /

HARPERS 41 Blogs by Scott Horton: http://www.harpers.org/subjects/DonSiegelman/SubjectOf/BlogEntry

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DU archives:

Jun-01-07 Abramoff and Kark Rove Linked to Prosecution of Ex-Alabama Governor and Campaign Finances
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1023111

Jul-01-07 GO TO JAIL NOW: Former AL Dem Governor gets 7 years despite ROVE frame-up claim.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1224046

Aug-31-07 Political Prisoner Don Seigelman: Obstruction Of Justice Accusation Unclear = TPM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1704777

Sep-09-07 Political Prisoner Don Seigelman: Republican Lawyer Set To Speak With House Judiciary Under Oath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1770148

[L. Coyote]

46. Siegelman Confident Conviction Will Be Overturned = the “Watergate of 2008.”

Siegelman Confident Conviction Will Be Overturned
Monday, Aug 20, 2007
By NBC 13 Staff - http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-08-20-0018.html

Former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman remains confident his conviction will be overturned. .....

He said former presidential aide Karl Rove was the mastermind of the investigation and calls his case the “Watergate of 2008.”

Siegelman also said he wants to be a political player again in Alabama.

[L. Coyote]

6. Every statement in the Birminghm News article is FALSE

in the first 2 paragraphs of today's article.

[L. Coyote]

34. ARTICLE: There’s No News in the ‘Birmingham News’

There’s No News in the ‘Birmingham News’
BY Scott Horton
PUBLISHED September 10, 2007
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/09/hbc-90001174

The Russian newspaper Pravda, which laughingly means truth, used to have a banner under the masthead that read “Organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.” So at least there was some truth in labeling: you could see pretty quickly exactly whose “truth” it was disseminating.

But Pravda is so easily upstaged by the Birmingham News, which offers no fair warning. It should say “Organ of the Executive Committee of the Alabama G.O.P.” This evening offers us a wonderful opportunity to see how they shovel lies, lies and more lies about the Siegelman case. Are they even conscious of the dissembling? Sometimes I wonder.

Today, the Justice Department’s decision to stonewall the request of the Judiciary Committee for documents concerning the politically tinged prosecution of Governor Don E. Siegelman was announced publicly. ....

[seemslikeadream]

2. alright I saved that file now how do I listen to it?

:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

4. Click this link, then

http://cfuv.uvic.ca/

Then click the "live" link.

[seemslikeadream]

8. every time I click on that link it asks me if I want to save it?

[L. Coyote]

14. Does the dialogue box have a "radio" button to select play instead. Yes, a

save dialog box should open, with the option to select the player and play instead.

[hootinholler]

17. launch it instead of saving it.

It's a stub that tells the media player how to connect to the stream.

-Hoot

[seemslikeadream]

20. here's what I get and there's no option to launch

I've saved it but it goes to my pictures file?

[L. Coyote]

22. Apparently, your browser does not have a helper applicaion assigned to this file type.

Next time, launch a radio player you have installed, right-click the play link to copy the URL, then paste it into the media player address box.

You can go to your browser preferences to fix this.

You have to make sure you have a media player on your system, like RealPlayer, iTunes, Windows Media, etc. Make a capable player the "Helper App" that the browser launches to play the type.

[seemslikeadream]

23. Thank you so much I have wanted to get this figured out for some time now

:hi:

[L. Coyote]

24. Try installing Mozilla FireFox browser if your system as space to add a browser.

[L. Coyote]

3. Scott Horton is the interviewee.

http://www.harpers.org/subjects/ScottHorton

Scott Horton is a contributor to Harper's Magazine and writes No Comment for this website.

Scott has been the major journalism investigator in this case. Follow the link.

[L. Coyote]

7. ROVE "faces potential criminal prosecution" in this case

Bush Justice Department "exists to commit crimes, not suppress them"

[calimary]

12. Please, God! PLEASE, God!! PLEASE, GOD!!!

Please, oh PLEASE!!! I'm on my KNEES!!!

I hope rove is hounded by criminal prosecutions and the prospects/threats thereof, for the rest of his miserable days. No justice? NO PEACE!

[yodermon]

18. Rove will be safe in Poppy's Paraguay Paradise prior to any indictments n/t

[Mnemosyne]

28. As soon as he 'dies'. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. and is cremated so there's no "viewing" the deceased. n/t

[Mnemosyne]

37. Word. I know certain religious sects have quick burials.

But Lay was Methodist.

memorial info-

Services
Celebrations of Ken’s life for family and friends will take place at the Aspen Chapel in Aspen, Colorado at 2 p.m. on Sunday July 9, 2006 and also on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 at 11 a.m. at First United Methodist Church-Downtown in Houston, Texas.

http://www.kenlayinfo.com/public/default.aspx

Or maybe I've become a wee bit cynical in the last 6+ years, but I'm actually surprised that I'm not more cynical with this bunch. :)


Rove is just a liar:

On Friday August 17, PBS’s Bill Moyers criticized Karl Rove for cynically invoking God and Christianity for political purposes while telling others that he is an agnostic, calling him “a skeptic, a secular manipulator.”

Two days later, when Rove appeared on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace asked him to take on Moyers’ criticism. “I’m a Christian. I go to church. I’m an Episcopalian,” responded Rove. “You know, Mr. Moyers ought to do a little bit better research before he does another drive-by slander.”

http://www.comedianforpresident.com/

Just so we have it on record if something did happen, a la Lay.

How crazy a world we live in to have to question every single thing about those w power. Even whether someone died. :crazy:



Later, g'nite!

[EFerrari]

9. Kick

[calimary]

58. PSSSTTT... there's that writer who was in OpEdNews the other day...

:yourock:

[jamesinca]

10. Are there transcripts

I can not get the site to play.

[L. Coyote]

13. There should be later. Do you have RealPlayer or Winamp for PC or iTunes for Mac

If you have a player, just click this: http://artichoke.alma.uvic.ca:7070/listen.pls

[L. Coyote]

36. I e-mailed the station director. Here's hoping, because it was GRREEAT!!

[bananas]

39. The mp3 is now available for download, web play, or podcast

one of those should work for you: http://atlanticfreepress.com/loudblog/index.php?id=131

[L. Coyote]

11. "Canadians should think twice before believing there is justice dispensed in American courts"

Gonzales "is doing more damage ever day? and leaves on Friday.

[L. Coyote]

15. AWESOME interview! MORE by following this link:

http://www.harpers.org/subjects/ScottHorton

Scott Horton's Siegelman articles: http://www.harpers.org/search?q=Don+Siegelman

[L. Coyote]

16. Discussion at Current DU Thread: Political Prisoner Don Siegelman .............

Political Prisoner Don Siegelman: Republican Lawyer Set To Speak With House Judiciary Under Oath
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1770148

[flashl]

19. Great show! n/t

[eppur_se_muova]

21. Oh, the irony ... Rove may be done in by a "sideshow" scam that ...

no one was really paying attention to.

[kineneb]

25. like Capone was done in by tax evasion

(evil laughter) he, he, he...

[eppur_se_muova]

26. I was thinking of a "third rate burglary" gone wrong. :evilgrin: nt

[L. Coyote]

29. Except, it's an election rigging gone bonkers. When at first you plan to deceive

you are stuck in the wheel in the cage, and there is no getting out of the lie. What went down in 2002 was going to come around if Siegelman was elected, since he would have the power to investigate how the election was fixed against him. And, so the plot had to thicken. Enter Abramoff and Rove, the Money Bags and the Brain.

Like in the cartoon Pinky and the Brain, Brain Rove is imputedly intelligent and develops Rube Goldberg plans for national domination, seeing his Boss' inevitable rise to power as beneficial to the world rather than mere megalomania and mental defect. Unfortunately for the Brain, the scheme is doomed to failure by common mishaps. Pinky Abramoff does something idiotic and ruins the plan, stealing from the Indians to finance Brain's schemes. These politically-engineered rats grew up in the wrong cage, the Nixon dirty tricks era.

[eppur_se_muova]

31. OK, now we need a PhotoShop of Rove & Abramov as P&TB!

(I thought that was a perfectly apt comparison, BTW. Rove is just too clever for his own good.)

[L. Coyote]

32. More like a whole episode. It could start with

Pinky Abramoff: "Gee Brain, what do you want to do this election?"
Rove The Brain: "The same thing we do every election, Pinky - Try to take over the whole friggin' world!"

Who to assign to Dr. Mordough, Snowball and Precious? More dough has to be Richard Mellon Scaife, Snowball could be Tom DeLay, Precious?????

[EVDebs]

27. I hear Thom Hartmann discuss this awhile ago and was jawtothefloor nt

[lovuian]

52. this really says Bush regime was a cabal and dictatorship

it took lots of help Justice dept Military Congress and Judicial courts

all have taken part of this evil regime

[L. Coyote]

54. They failed to foresee the oversight. Election loss was their November Surprise

Up to the last minute, the Rs did not expect one iota of oversight during Bush's tenure, because they had Congress, the Justice system, and Executive working in political lockstep. Well, "was" is the correct tense. They are just stonewalling now. The facts are unavoidable, and more crop up every day, it seems.

This does not mean they are powerless, just that they are facing opposition and can no longer entirely hide the facts or control Congress. The duplicitous days of John McCain "investigating" Abramoff are over!

[station agent]

59. Audio of the Hartman segment

and my analysis/storytelling here:

http://icestationtango.blogspot.com/2007/08/did-rove-and-gonzo-flee-siegelman.html

[L. Coyote]

60. BEYOND believable == "exactly" 6,000 votes switched after midnight by the Republicans!

THANKS> This is a must listen program.... unbelievable! A rigged election and this has stayed under the radar for nearly FIVE years!!

I can't wait until tomorrow's broadcast, linked below.

[proud patriot]

33. I have to give this a Kick and Rec

:kick:

[L. Coyote]

38. Who are the Players?

http://www.donsiegelman.org/pages/topics/prosecution.html

........

Dana Jill Simpson
Life long Alabama Republican and Ex-campaign worker for Bob Riley

Jill Dana Simpson — a Rainsville attorney, and lifelong Republican who
worked for Gov. Bob Riley’s first gubernatorial campaign, then later for
the Roy Moore Campaign — filed an affidavit in Georgia, 2007,
describing a conversation that took place during a telephone
conference call days after Riley defeated Siegelman in the 2002
election. The content of the call implicates the White House
involvement in the Siegelman prosecution.

..........

[L. Coyote]

40. "Under the direction of the White House, and particularly Karl Rove" starting in 2002

Justice in Alabama
BY Scott Horton
PUBLISHED June 24, 2007
http://harpers.org/archive/2007/06/hbc-90000351

........

Under the direction of the White House, and particularly Karl Rove, the Justice Department undertook a series of prosecutions designed to undermine the positions of elected Democratic officeholders and help the Republican Party take their positions. In this space over the last two months, I have catalogued a series of cases which suggest White House-driven manipulation of criminal prosecutions. Sometimes the White House has intervened to shut down or obstruct prosecutions of Republicans – a process that started certainly by the spring of 2002, when Jack Abramoff, a protégé of Karl Rove and Tom DeLay, sought White House intervention to fire the U.S. Attorney in Guam. “I don’t care if they appoint bozo the clown, we need to get rid of Fred Black,” Abramoff wrote in March 2002.. And indeed, following White House intervention, the U.S. attorney was fired, a Republican party functionary was appointed in his place, and the investigation that threatened to expose a seedy Abramoff operation involving human trafficking was shut down. Thanks to the role played directly by the White House, the process took only a few days.

.........

[L. Coyote]

41. Bush Justice Department -- The Political Profiling of Elected Democratic Officials

The Political Profiling of Elected Democratic Officials: When Rhetorical Vision Participation Runs Amok
Donald C. Shields and John F. Cragan - 18 February 2007
http://www.epluribusmedia.org/columns/2007/20070212_political_profiling.html


VoteOur ongoing study of the Bush Justice Department (to be published in 2009) investigates the implications of the Bush/Ashcroft/Gonzales Justice Department's blended religious -fundamentalist and neo-conservative rhetorical vision. The study views the impact of the Justice Department's vision on the fight against public corruption and reveals the non-proportionate political profiling of elected Democratic officials.

We presented the preliminary data through August 2004 at the Southern Speech Communication Annual meeting in April 2005 in Baton Rouge and as a refereed panel paper with data through December 2004 at the November 2005 annual meeting of the National Communication Association.

We compare political profiling to racial profiling by presenting the results (January 2001 through December 2006) of the U.S. Attorneys' federal investigation and/or indictment of 375 elected officials. The distribution of party affiliation of the sample is compared to the available normative data (50% Dem, 41% GOP, and 9% Ind.).

Data* indicate that the offices of the U.S. Attorneys across the nation investigate seven (7) times as many Democratic officials as they investigate Republican officials, a number that exceeds even the racial profiling of African Americans in traffic stops.

..........

[kansasblue]

42. Kick: This link worked great ,

http://atlanticfreepress.com/loudblog/index.php?id=131

[L. Coyote]

43. THANKS. Gorilla Radio with Chris Cook, Scott Horton, Sept. 10, 2007 == MP3

Download MP3
(58 MB | 63:28 min)
http://atlanticfreepress.com/loudblog/get.php?web=AFP-2007-09-11-30686.mp3

This week on GR, American Human Rights lawyer and Harper's Magazine contributor,
Scott Horton on the strange case of the railroaded governor, Don Siegelman.

[L. Coyote]

44. Testimony should shed light on story

Editorials Sept. 11, 2007
Testimony should shed light on story
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20070911/NEWS/709110309/1012/NEWS02


Rainsville attorney Jill Simpson, whose allegations about White House involvement in the investigation of former Gov. Don Siegelman have been disputed, should welcome the opportunity to testify under oath before a congressional committee next week.

We trust the committee will extend the same courtesy to the people Simpson says were involved in a 2002 conference call in which she alleges that Siegelman’s future was discussed.......

Canary and Bob Riley have said they have no recollection of the conversation. Butts has flatly denied that it ever took place.

It’s a bizarre story but stranger things have happened. The seriousness of the allegation warrants the sworn testimony of all involved before Congress.

[L. Coyote]

45. Team Chertoff and the Art of Political Prosecution

Chertoff and the Politics of Prosecution
Team Chertoff and the Art of Political Prosecution
by Scott Horton - 07 Sept. 2007
http://www.pacificfreepress.com/content/view/1640/81/


Current and former Justice Department officials I have interviewed have consistently identified Michael Chertoff, his successor Alice Fisher and his protégé Noel Hillman, as figures with a strong interest in political prosecutions. Each apparently took an interest in the Siegelman case for all the wrong reasons, I am told, and each had regular communications with the White House throughout this period.

But the Siegelman case was only one of many cases with political overtones which were closely dogged by loyal Republican Party activists at the top of the criminal process at Justice. Today the Los Angeles Times is offering more evidence linking Chertoff to political vendettas using the prosecutorial resources of the Department of Justice.

David Savage and Tom Hamburger report (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-chertoff4sep04,1,4610879.story?coll=la-headlines-nation&ctrack=1&cset=true):

Shortly after President Bush took office in 2001, Michael Chertoff, then head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, met with the conservative group Judicial Watch. It wanted criminal charges brought against Hillary Rodham Clinton ....

The Los Angeles Times report concerning the highly political vendetta prosecution of Rosen greatly strengthens the accusations made by a Michigan attorney, Geoffrey Fieger, in a case with strong parallels and similar political circumstances. It also casts a strong light on the mindset and working relationships within Justice at the time the chase after Alabama Governor Siegelman began.

[opihimoimoi]

47. ROVE gonna burn??? I hope so...

[L. Coyote]

48. Siegelman calls this the "Watergate of 2008" and he should know.

It has all the elements of the biggest scandal focus so far. Abramoff and Rove working together to manipulate an election, rigging the 2002 election, politization of the DoJ, illegal campaign funding, conning Indians out of 30 million dollars, witness intimidation and obstruction of justice, possible perjury by the admitted corrupt official for a reduced sentence that was not delivered on (will he recant?), White House involvement, and more. And, oh what a list of players!

And, given all the hearings and resignations so far, the public is ready to take on a "fair and balanced" weighting of this scales of justice issue.

[opihimoimoi]

53. Damn...if the investigation reveals bad shit.....The GOP gonna be TOAST

[L. Coyote]

55. Here is the affidavit on TPM's Docs

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/rove-affidavit/

Does this meet your criteria for "bad s**t"?
Of course, it is going to get much funkier in that Department.

[opihimoimoi]

56. Yup...its all bad shit.....LOL

[OzarkDem]

49. Sorry, Nancy & Rahm aren't going to pursue it

they plan on giving the GOP a free pass on all illegal activities past and present.

Too busy.

[L. Coyote]

50. 50 investigations, 300 hearings, how many suppoenas? Too busy indeed

going after abuse everywhere it is cropping up. There is so much to investigate, I don't know how they do it.

Do pass on a few links of what you are doing to assist the effort.

[L. Coyote]

51. RADIO: Sept. 12, 11:15 p.m. Pacific = Warren Olney interviews Scott Horton on “To the Point,”

Media Alert

Something’s fishy in the Department of Justice. Judiciary Committee Chair John Conyers looks into the very strange prosecution of former Alabama Governor Don E. Siegelman and the Justice Department responds by building a stonewall. Warren Olney interviews Scott Horton on “To the Point,” the award-winning radio talk program, broadcast on KCRW 89.9 FM in Los Angeles and on Public Radio affiliates around the United States on Wednesday, September 12, from 2:15 p.m. Eastern, 1:15 Central, 11:15 Pacific time. Get the details and, after the interview, download a podcast here.

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp070912politics_and_the_dep

[L. Coyote]

57. This is 11:15 AM Pacific tomorrow! 2:15 PM Eastern === Sorry.

[L. Coyote]

61. Reminder kick. Threee hours from now the show starts.

[L. Coyote]

62. Was a good show. Link to the podcast here:

http://www.kcrw.com/podcasts