Dems cannot end the war? This is worth a revisit:

[babylonsister]

Democrats' Innocent Bystander Fable


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7raAL3Wld0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eworkingassetsblog%2Ecom%2F2007%2F09%2Fthe%5Finnocent%5Fbystander%5Ffable%5Fg%2Ehtml

[Nite Owl]

1. I keep saying this to people

who offer those excuses. It's like talking to a brick wall, they want to believe the dems, they buy the lines about not a big enough majority. I think it's because they hate the GOP so much it sort of ends their hope for real change if they admit it's the dems war now too.

[babylonsister]

2. Well, I've heard it way too often, too. I'm keeping the video handy

for the next time I hear someone use any of these excuses.

[Nite Owl]

3. I'm going to forward it

to a few and see what the reaction is, even changing a few minds leads to a few more.

[babylonsister]

4. .

[Skidmore]

5. k&r and we absolutely need to start asking our legislators

about this as well calling that pitiful mess of candidates on those lies in townhall meetings.

[rucky]

6. K&R

[babylonsister]

7. Pulling teeth here, but it's worth a look! nt

[sandnsea]

8. Let's not fund the schools or medicaid

until we get free college for all and single payer.

How much sense does that make? Just don't fund anything until you get it your way.

Yet you're suggesting leaving the troops stranded rather than fight to get a veto proof majority.

You have a choice to inflict pain on Democrats or Republicans - and you're choosing to hurt Democrats. Brilliant.

[John Q. Citizen]

9. I agree. How will we be able to fund anything, spending 2 trillion on the war?

[atreides1]

10. Apples and Oranges

What if we can't get a veto proof majority, then you're suggesting that until we do, that we continue to send men and women to their deaths, that we continue to support operation maim the troops, that we do nothing as the Iraqi people suffer under a government that isn't being held responsible for anything. You're suggesting that we have perpetual war until the day that the Democrats have a veto proof majority, and until that happens we keep funneling money into the Black Hole that Iraq has become!

Maybe the Dems should actually start trying to stand up and make a difference instead of always offering excuses as to why they can't do anything. Maybe the Democrats in Congress should fight, this might help to gain that veto proof majority, we Americans love a fighter, someone who will stand and deliver.

Unfortunately the Democrats made a lot of noise in the last election about the war, and that's all it was, noise. The American people's opinion of Congress is even lower then their opinion of Darth Cheney, because they don't see fighters, with a few exceptions, the American people see men and women who have become so complacent, so intellectually bankrupt, so spineless, that a veto proof majority could be a pipe dream.

The founders were outnumbered and out gunned, but they stood up, maybe the Dems in Congress should take their cues from the founders, and do the same thing, stand up and fight, it's more realistic then depending on an election that's still over a year away.

There are things that they can do, they just choose not to do them for fear of being labeled as not supporting the troops! So as long as they continue to do nothing, as long as they continue to play it safe, more people will die, but I guess to some collateral damage is an acceptable risk!

[txaslftist]

13. Brilliant post. Thank you.

[babylonsister]

12. Yes, let's just keep doing what we're doing because it's working oh

so well. Brilliant. :eyes:

[sandnsea]

16. Yeah, it's not working at all

Screaming "out now" and "defund" isn't working at all. Maybe it's time to work WITH the leadership and target the Republicans to get the votes. Why are we not doing a telephone campaign like we do for primary candidates. Tabling. We know how to get out there and campaign. Why aren't we doing that instead of screaming at people who are already on our side.

[superkia]

11. I think Kucinich has taken the stand to not fund the war hasnt he?

I think the people have a candidate that represents us and our rights, we just don't want him as president?

[txaslftist]

14. If the Democrats refuse to stop the war, who will?

Hilary says that we need to elect a president who will end the war. Among our candidates, who has said they definitely will end the war, and quickly?

Dennis Kucinich

Ron Paul

Who else?

[mmonk]

19. Wasn't Nixon re-elected on the promise he would end the war?

[Coexist]

15. I'll never forget how heartsick I was after that damn war vote

another coming up soon. Ugh.

[ShortnFiery]

17. Good luck on finding ample "cannon fodder" for their perpetual oil wars.

The Military is stressed and close to the breaking point. It's going to get real ugly, real soon. :scared: :(

[mmonk]

18. A big kick and recommend.

[mzmolly]

20. What Sirota didn't mention is that the majority of Americans oppose cutting funds

and doing so will not necessarily "end the war."

"Sixty percent of those polled oppose a measure that would provide no additional funds for the troops and require them to withdraw by next March." ~ http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/08/schneider.iraq.poll/index.html">CNN

"The March 2-4, 2007 poll asked Americans if they favor or oppose Congress taking six different courses of action in regards to the war in Iraq. Only 37% support Congress denying the funding needed to send any additional troops to Iraq, and only 44% say they favor Congress voting to revoke the authority it granted President Bush in 2002 to use military force in Iraq." http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=26791">Gallup

"To best show support for the troops, 42% believe Congress should fully fund the war in Iraq to maintain current troop levels, while 34% would favor attaching requirements for phased withdrawal to Iraq war funding. Just 18% said cutting all funding for the war in Iraq to bring troops home would be the best showing of Congressional support."http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1343">Zogby

The MYTH being perpetuated is that if Democrats cut funds, Bush will pull the troops and the war will end quickly in a nice neat manner.

I do think we need to set a deadline and not budge. BUSH should be the one to cut funds by his refusal to sign an bill with an end in sight.