******** Petreaus Armed Services Committee Hearing Thread 1 ******

[MiniMe]

Starting on cspan1 at about 2:15

http://www.cspan.org

[whistle]

1. Thanks

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

2. K&R

[MiniMe]

3. Committee Members

DEMOCRATS

Carl Levin (Michigan)
Chairman

Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)
Mark L. Pryor (Arkansas)
Jim Webb (Virginia)
Claire McCaskill (Missouri)

REPUBLICANS
John McCain (Arizona)
Ranking Member

John W. Warner (Virginia)
James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Susan M. Collins (Maine)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey O. Graham (South Carolina)
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina)
John Cornyn (Texas)
John Thune (South Dakota)
Mel Martinez (Florida)
Bob Corker (Tennessee)

[spanone]

7. fyi - lieberman is NOT a democrat

[bdamomma]

15. oh god I won't be able to listen to Lieberman because he will be

bringing up Iran. Oh, these phone calls are such disgusting calls, from the public.

[rucky]

18. But wasn't that nice of him to caucus with us?

so his warm body will replace a real democrat who may have been appointed to serve on this committee?

Why did we let him?

[rodeodance]

97. He is allowed to be a mole for the Repugs!

[Nimrod2005]

9. Asshole Lieberman is NOT a Democrat

He is a bastard...

[MiniMe]

12. Agreed, but I copied and pasted from the committee web site

And that is where he is listed. I believe he is a member of the Asshole party.

[trashcanistanista]

39. LEVIN!!!!!

We are united in our admiraton and appreciation of those who serve there. Recent polls indicate Iraqi citizens fell less secure since the surge.

[harun]

I wonder if the Dems can agree to yield all Liebermans time to Webb (n/t)

[Breeze54]

46. Joe I. Lieberman (Connecticut) -- The I stands for Independent

:P

He's a turncoat backstabbing DINO!!

[LSK]

59. Kennedy

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[spanone]

4. thanks.......

[ClayZ]

5. K and R

[LSK]

6. thanks...

Are you staying for the whole thing? Or do you need me to take over at some point?

[MiniMe]

10. Planning on staying for the whole thing

But who knows. Depends on how long it lasts.

[trashcanistanista]

16. FWIW

I'm also here and since I missed most of the last one, I'm staying for this if you need a break.:hi: five minutes to start.

[bdamomma]

8. oh god, questions from the public on the hearings

we have some weird kool aid drinkers out there.

[Nimrod2005]

11. lol, I am listening

[spanone]

13. me too

[Lone_Star_Dem]

It's amazing how confused some people really can be.

And how stupid too.

[Cameron27]

14. Thank you

K&R

[Breeze54]

17. They better keep those two on a short leash today!

Yesterday, they left to go get sandwiches and ended up on Faux News and took over the show!

Yeah!! Levin!! And Kennedy!! Calling out the big dogs!! :P

[MiniMe]

22. They need to keep Lieberman on a short leash

[bdamomma]

27. a very short leash

[MiniMe]

19. Hearing starts in 5 minutes

[bdamomma]

20. here we go again guys.

[LSK]

23. 5 more minutes

Better get ready:

:popcorn: :beer:

[rucky]

25. this one should be better

Kerry will roast him on a spit.

[LSK]

37. didnt Kerry talk this morning?

[rucky]

43. Dunno. I'm supposed to be working right now.

:evilgrin:

[LSK]

49. me too

:hide:

[rodeodance]

112. yes, he did good as usual

[Cameron27]

21. This is such a great day to plunk down on the couch

to watch these hearings, I've cancelled two appointments lol.

[MiniMe]

26. So nice that its on cspan1 instead of cspan3

I can actually plunk and watch.

edited to add: except for typing in stuff for the cube rats. :)

[LSK]

41. RealAudio plays good full screen on my pc at home

It was not that bad yesterday.

[Nimrod2005]

28. Amen...

[bdamomma]

24. bush wants never ending war.

he will not say anything different. stay the course.

[Nimrod2005]

31. Unfortunately that's all I learned form yesterday's and today's hearings

We will be staying the course ---- WHATEVER THAT MEANS TO ANYONE.

[bdamomma]

29. was that caller talking about our regime that wants to destroy the rest of the world.

[spanone]

30. these republicans on c-span don't get shit.

[Nimrod2005]

32. They get their information from FIX NEWS!!!

[harun]

34. Nope, 25 percenters (n/t)

[bdamomma]

40. oh well, nice to be with you guys today, you give some saneness

to all this insanity.

[LSK]

33. they are starting.

[spanone]

35. who the hell does crocker command and lead, he's a fucking ambassador

[spanone]

38. honorary ass licking

[Nimrod2005]

42. Thank you, a simple bureaucrat looser, just like his boss

Condie What's her face...

[rodeodance]

121. he is big headed SIDEKICK

[Cameron27]

36. Levin

looks like he means business.

[Nimrod2005]

ROFL, he already said the stupid surge DID NOT WORK!!!

[Cameron27]

44. The stated purpose of the surge

Giving Iraqis time to work out there political differences...failed

[bdamomma]

45. Levin is pissed/angry.

[Nimrod2005]

48. He is taking no prisoners!!!

[Adsos Letter]

55. Levin is cutting straight to the bone at the outset

[rodeodance]

47. listening on the net-------cspan3

[trashcanistanista]

52. Levin

Calls *'s talk a "litany of delusion"

[napi21]

67. It's also being broadcast on cspan1 live.

I must admit I'm surprised. Where's the hosue today????

[rodeodance]

50. Comm. Members here:

DEMOCRATS

Carl Levin (Michigan)
Chairman

Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)
Mark L. Pryor (Arkansas)
Jim Webb (Virginia)
Claire McCaskill (Missouri)

REPUBLICANS
John McCain (Arizona)
Ranking Member

John W. Warner (Virginia)
James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Susan M. Collins (Maine)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey O. Graham (South Carolina)
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina)
John Cornyn (Texas)
John Thune (South Dakota)
Mel Martinez (Florida)
Bob Corker (Tennessee)

[Nimrod2005]

58. I am very interested in what Warner and Collins have to say here...

[rodeodance]

118. per Patraeus-------WARNER will get his token withdraws by xmas. He is happy

[Nimrod2005]

51. WOW, A great point: THERE HAS BEEN NO CONSEQUENCES

to all the failures of the Iraqi puppets!!!

[Lasher]

53. I'm glad these are Petraeus' own words and not Junior's

His views are so radically different from those from the White House. :eyes:

[bdamomma]

90. * will not say anything different this week, it will be stay the course

he is not giving the American people an inch, so what next? how many more dead? and how can this little man stand unchallenged?

[MiniMe]

54. Levin reading off Bush quotes

LOL, sounds bad when he reads them off all in a row like that. Go Levin

[LSK]

56. Levin is stating all the times Bush said "we are making progress"

:D

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

57. This has been a Litany of Delusions from *

[trashcanistanista]

60. I heard

"Litany of Delusion"

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

62. I think you are right.

edited.

[rodeodance]

123. it has been, year after year!

[babylonsister]

61. Sounds like Levin's not buying it. I hope he means it. nt

[maseman]

65. uggg here's McCain

[Cameron27]

63. Great opening statement by Levin.

Now the "maverick" speaks.

[Lasher]

64. Aimed at taking the steam out of the engine of change.

True that.

Look out here comes McCain. At least he served.

[bdamomma]

66. oh, first up McCain, time to take a break

[Lasher]

73. Smoke 'em if ya got 'em.

Time for an ice cold Bud.

[goodgd_yall]

68. We're not going to hear any hard-hitting questions from McCain

[trashcanistanista]

69. McCain

One word - tool. He is sick at heart for the terrible price we paid for nearly 4 years of a mismanaged war.

[ClayZ]

70. John McCain blows!

[MiniMe]

71. McCain blaming Rumsfeld strategy for our failure in Iraq

[LuckyLib]

75. "We cannot choose to lose in Iraq. " What crap!

[Lasher]

79. That's funny, Rummy just blamed the Iraqis

Guess they must have invaded themselves.

[Cameron27]

72. McCain talks about a mismanaged war,

but still thinks leaving is surrendering.

[LSK]

74. McCain brings out the "surrender" term in under 30 seconds

Even thou we had MISSION ACCOMPLISHED 4 years ago.

[trashcanistanista]

76. Good catch!

[mrcheerful]

80. McCain * butt kissing at his best

[madokie]

77. mcCain sucks

[spanone]

78. Yea, mccain was constantly fighting rumsfeld.....blow john

[rodeodance]

81. McCain-----We can NOT CHOOSE to LOSE in Iraq!!

[spanone]

83. bumpersticker bullshit

[rodeodance]

84. suck it up mcain----we ALREADY LOST

[trashcanistanista]

95. McCain

Consequences of defeat in Iraq will be terrible and long lasting. usual BS. We will be back. Will make us less safe, will make our friends and allies less safe (earth to John - we have no friends and allies).

[ClayZ]

82. He believes we can not "Choose to Lose"....

:puke:

[LSK]

88. Mission Accomplished? 4 years ago? Hello?????

[MiniMe]

85. McCain is absolutely delusional

[Adsos Letter]

86. Levin makes salient points, McCain gives a speech...

[TwilightGardener]

87. Now they've gone live at CNN to give McCain a free chance at a campaign speech.

[LSK]

91. except he is only illustrating how insane he is

"Hi, I sound just like George Bush, please vote for me"

[rodeodance]

93. lets see if they give Dems free time???????

[Breeze54]

89. Oh noooo! Not McCain, war monger, stay in Iraq 4 ever?!

Ugh!!

[spanone]

92. mr mccain...the WAR is dangerously wrong....

[bdamomma]

106. they just don't get it, and they do not give a shit about what we think

there is a huge division between us and this government.

[bdamomma]

94. we are not the greatest power on earth if we keep on this suicide war.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

96. If he really believes everything he's saying, I think it's time for his wife

to look into institutionalizing him.

[LSK]

Now he is channeling Cheney: Iraq is the central front of the war on Terror

[Lasher]

101. bin Laden must have moved to Baghdad.

[w8liftinglady]

105. the troops won't return with honor unless they "win"

win WHAT<Motherf*cker?

[trashcanistanista]

111. That is very very insulting

to the troops and families. He should be ashamed of himself.

[rodeodance]

2nd time McCain has said: I will do everything in my POWER to give you the

support we need.

[Nimrod2005]

122. WTF? what an idiot

[Lasher]

98. How's that meme working on your presidential campaign, Johnny?

[Cameron27]

99. Oh dear, he's making Petraeus tear up.

[bdamomma]

117. ......

:rofl:

[blogslut]

100. Old Grandpa McCain

Telling bedtimes stories again :mad:

[Nimrod2005]

116. This fuckface needs to get out of American politics!!! I love watching him being defeated

by his own party

[MiniMe]

102. OK troops, you have to stay there until you feel honor, per McCain

If it were me, I would like to return while I am alive

[Lone_Star_Dem]

103. You know McCain, what one cannot choose to do is Win

One can want it, work for it and still never win. Because some situations are simply unwinnable, just like some wars.

What one can choose is to loose.

[spanone]

104. dear john, time to go home....the vietnam war is over.

[Lasher]

127. Petraeus was never in Vietnam

He never saw combat until he went to Iraq in 2003. Seems like he has a lot of medals and badges for someone who was never in a combat zone until he was a 2 star general.

[ClayZ]

107. Again "Choose to lose" PR firm working hard!

[spanone]

108. we get to hear this shit again....ad nauseum

[harun]

109. How do you win an occupation McCain?

[ClayZ]

113. "Victory" must look like a McDonalds on one corner

and a Starbucks on the other, to McCain!

[harun]

119. Yep, once corporations own property in Iraq they will finally

see it as victory. Sickening.

[Cameron27]

110. lol, Levin give Petrayeus a hint about shortening his testimony,

I don't think it's going to work though.

[rodeodance]

114. REC

[LSK]

115. psst: New thread time

I usually do it when it gets a little over 100 posts.

[spanone]

120. The American People are waaaaay ahead of all this bullshit

[Nimrod2005]

124. Amen, and I am hoping the few GOP senators sitting on the fense

figure it out before the end of the week!

[MiniMe]

125. NEW THREAD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1784513

[rodeodance]

126. LBN: Most see Iraq war as complete or partial failure(AP/Ipsos Poll)

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Most see Iraq war as complete or partial failure(AP/Ipsos Poll)
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2986677#2986677
2986677, Most see Iraq war as complete or partial failure(AP/Ipsos Poll)
Posted by RamboLiberal on Tue Sep-11-07 01:34 PM

Source: MSNBC/AP

WASHINGTON - The public sees the Iraq war as a failure and thinks the U.S. troop buildup there has not worked, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll suggesting the tough sell President Bush faces in asking Congress and voters for more time.

The pessimism expressed by most people - including significant minorities of Republicans - contrasted with the brighter picture offered by Gen. David Petraeus. The chief U.S. commander in Iraq is telling Congress this week that the added 30,000 troops have largely achieved their military goals and could probably leave by next summer, though he conceded there has been scant political progress.

By 59 percent to 34 percent, more people said they believe history will judge the Iraq war a complete or partial failure than a success. Those calling it a failure included eight in 10 Democrats, three in 10 Republicans and about six in 10 independents, the poll showed - ominous numbers for a president who hopes to use a nationally televised address later this week to keep GOP lawmakers from joining Democratic calls for a withdrawal.

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Underscoring the public's negativity, four times as many predicted the war in Iraq would be judged as a complete U.S. failure as the number who see a complete success, 28 percent to 7 percent.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20719857 /