******* Petreaus Armed Svcs Thread 2 **********

[MiniMe]

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[spanone]

1. thanks!

[spanone]

2. has decreased significantly....mostly after the GAO report that showed different

bullshit

[Nimrod2005]

3. The charts really bother me, coming from a military guy! reminds me

of Bremer in tie running our war there early on!!!

[bdamomma]

9. Colin Powell had charts too, and we saw how wrong they were.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

4. Thanks and recommended!!!! EOM

[trashcanistanista]

5. I don't care what betrayus says so,

does anyone here expect something big from Hillary? She's been making waves lately.

I'm referring to in this armed services hearing.

[Nimrod2005]

13. HRC, Warner and Collins...Stay tuned!

[trashcanistanista]

19. I can't turn away except now that betrayus is on.

But am looking forward to a substantial war of words here. I hope they do not disappoint.

[bdamomma]

17. this committee has some losers on it, Lindsay Graham

can you imagine what he will say, the same ole thing again, and Joe Liebermann, it is truly disgusting, there is no such thing as diplomacy anymore, bush's mantra get them before they get us, how sad we have become how some people really believe this pre emptive shit.

[Cameron27]

6. Thank you

K&R

[mikelgb]

7. ugh ad nauseam

[mikelgb]

8. Anbar Anbar!

[bdamomma]

10. they exterminated Anbar Province.

[Nimrod2005]

16. Anbar is only 5% of the country of Iraq, it is not even Baghdad

It is just a little more than neighborhood ..

[spanone]

11. this is exactly what we expected from petreaus....b u l l s h i t

there is no hint of ending this war....not a hint

[Nimrod2005]

12. Al Qaeda Iraq? I had heard no more than 1500 people, about 2 years ago?

HOw can they now be EVERYTHING????????

[Cameron27]

14. I wish somebody would ask that.

What the hell kind of strategy allows that to happen.

[mikelgb]

15. wtf does Hezbollah-like mean

[Nimrod2005]

21. Pro Iran, Iran funds and weapons...etc. dominating politically...etc.

[bdamomma]

22. just like Anbaris?? I thought at one time they considered themselves

just Iraqis.

[MiniMe]

18. Damn, Levin tried to cut off this speech he has already given 2 times

And Petreaus decided to give it anyway. Can't have any more time for questions.

[Nimrod2005]

24. Had to drop key propaganda words in: ethnoconflict, AQI...etc.

[spanone]

20. wow there are no more insurgents....haven't heard that word - Al qaeda all the time

[zabet]

23. Charts

sooo reliable. :eyes:

You can make them say anything. :grr:

[spanone]

25. got to keep those military sales up....

[spanone]

28. filibuster, filibuster, filibuster, filibuster, filibuster, filibuster. if you don't have the votes

[MiniMe]

30. Is it a good thing that we are selling arms to a country that is in the middle

of a civil war?

edited to add: And which side are we selling them to?

[Nimrod2005]

37. Rest assured, it will all turn against US sooner or later....nt

[spanone]

45. probably selling to both sides...

[robinlynne]

134. both sides.

[MiniMe]

26. Rushing to Failure. He didn't get that from the WH at all

Nope, his own words

[bdamomma]

27. I would love some retired Generals come in and tell Petreaus

he is full of hot air.

oh oh, there is that word again, cyberspace, what does that mean, guys they are making the Internet their next front on the war on terror.

[Cameron27]

29. Oh yes, that would be something to watch.

[Nimrod2005]

34. I would love to deabte him on this topic, actually would love to debate guy sitting next to him...

Stupid ass diplomat

[spanone]

31. mr. p - THERE IS NO POLITICAL PROGRESS =the reason for surge...it's not working

[TwilightGardener]

32. I'm impressed with all of you who watched both the FRC and now this--

I tuned out after FRC--not interested in the same Crock-Traeus crap all over again. Plus, the men on the FRC are better-looking...;-)

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

33. Petraeus' "Summery" has lasted 15 minutes so far.

[bdamomma]

41. wrap it up petreaus we have heard this propaganda before

must be *'s rules to him, keep on repeating and repeating to catapult the propaganda.

[Lasher]

35. Blah blah blah.....

I was born at an early age. Look at all the ribbons and badges I have on. We're going to keep the additional 30K escallation soldiers in Iraq until next year when me might bring just those 30K home. But that's not a commitment. Don't quote me. Trust me. Blah blah blah. I have recommended what The Delayer told me to recommend but these are my own words. Blah blah blah.

[maxrandb]

36. When is someone going to ask about Iraqi Refuges?

Haven't, like, about 4,000,000 of them left home for greener pastures in Syria, Lybia and Egypt?

What are the plans to "re-patriate" these folks and return them home? What about their property? If they are Sunni, will American Troops have to kick the Shiites out of their homes so they can return? What then happens to the Shiites that have been misplaced? What about Turkey? Will we attack a NATO allie if they decide they've had enough of the terrorist attacks in their country and want to "pre-emptively" invade Northern Iraq?

We are witnessing the dumbing down of America right before our eyes.

Just tell Joe Sixpack that the surge is "working", and wrap it up in a catchy little slogan like "We Can't Choose to Lose".

I WEEP FOR MY COUNTRY!

[Lasher]

60. I believe 2 million are displaced in-country.

And the other 2 million have left the country. Bad, bad situation.

[bdamomma]

61. very sad and not good for those of us who are clear thinkers.

[spanone]

38. question? how the hell does he know this shit? Next summer, same song and dance

[Nimrod2005]

44. 30 years from now, it will be the same

[Magleetis]

39. No prediction for the future

just endless war.

[rodeodance]

95. more of the same====no plans

[mikelgb]

40. shit ths is the shortened version?

[harun]

43. Seems even longer (n/t)

[Breeze54]

46. No shit!! I think I know it by heart now!

:P

[MiniMe]

42. For the surge to run its course - sounds like a virus

[Breeze54]

sounds like an Escalation to me!!

:grr:

[trashcanistanista]

50. Centrifigual forces in Iraq

a new term.

[MiniMe]

47. Levin - cut him off!

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

Over 20 minutes now.

[w8liftinglady]

48. mission accomplished-I have been lulled into a trance-like state by his monotonous

babble.

[spanone]

54. hang on, next we get the DYNAMIC ryan crok-o-shit

[trashcanistanista]

55. I'm making my grocery list.

and will go grocery shopping if he doesn't stfu.

[Breeze54]

56. Wait 'til he starts talking about "electrons'!!

:rofl:

[spanone]

49. it's ALREADY been a long term effort mr general

[bdamomma]

51. well unless we do something *'ie will give this invasion to another

administration to take care of. why should he not be held accountable for his own mistakes.

[Magleetis]

52. Long time?

He knows how long but he wont say. Here comes the "if we leave it will be a disaster" BS repug line.

[Nimrod2005]

57. His on the record, said 9-10 years

[mikelgb]

53. NOO! not the centrifugal forces!!!

[Cameron27]

58. Haha!

[trashcanistanista]

66. Yup,

the dreaded centrifugal forces!

[Breeze54]

70. LOL!

[maxrandb]

75. Wasn't that a Zappa song? n/t

[HughMoran]

59. Can't somebody shut this liar up!

How can he ramble on so - knowing that NOBODY is listening to his bullshit.

[Cameron27]

62. Oh thank god, Crocker's not going to speak.

[spanone]

63. boy, the manure gets deeper and deeper

[Magleetis]

64. This is just like

listening to *'s bullshit without the made up words.

[bdamomma]

83. and just think * will be coming out this week with another stay the course

speech, it just gets worse huh?

[Magleetis]

93. Right

I can alredy hear "Gen Petraeus said the surge is working"

[MiniMe]

65. Well,we can thank Crocker for something

Not reading his statement again

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

67. LOL.

[Lasher]

68. I was shocked.

[spanone]

69. even he's tired of his own bullshit

[rodeodance]

99. He looks a little beat

[Lasher]

132. I thought I would hurl when one of the Senators expressed regret for what a hard day he's having

Three whole meetings in one day!

Get back to me when he gets blown up in an unarmored Hummer. Petraeus has never been in combat.

[harun]

72. Nice !!!!, someone bring him a cupcake (n/t)

[Lasher]

71. I don't know if I can listen to this anymore

SSDD

Think I'll go water my plants.

[Vinca]

74. I know what you mean. It's like a long drone of meaningless crap. nt

[Lasher]

133. Got my plants watered.

Went to the garden and picked some veggies too.

See, the thing about these people is, DON'T TRUST THEM!!!! NOT ONE INCH ON ANY ISSUE!!!!

Don't believe the troops are coming home until you get confirmation from their loved ones that they are actually here. And even then make sure more are not being sent to take their places.

This whole thing is just a game, to make sure the neocons have a free hand, without any accountability, to bring our troops home. All the rest is bullshit. The neocons have had a woodie to invade Iraq and other countries for at least a decade now. The have a deliberate intention that we will never, ever get our soldiers out of Iraq.

It might have been fun to watch some of the Democrats say these things to these two puppets but today I just decided to look away for awhile. Think I'll see how the hummingbirds are doing.

Lasher

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

80. Same here. Think I'll go strip

my bed and wash the sheets. Time to dig out the down stuff also.
Later.

[Cameron27]

73. Petraeus is being very careful answering Levin.

[MiniMe]

76. I think that he discovered the difference between the house and the Senate

in the last hearing.

[bdamomma]

96. Petreaus got his orders from dark side Cheney.

endless war, and our soldiers and iraqi civilians are paying with their blood.

[spanone]

77. good on levin...we told them we were surging and they left the surge areas

this is what my brothers son in law told him when the surge began. he was in baghdad

[maseman]

79. Levin just shut donw a Crocker BS answer with

"That WASN't MY QUESTION..." and then re-stated the question. We need more of that!

[Cameron27]

78. Crocker's embarrassed by his quote about Maliki ROFL

He doesn't recall saying it.

[brooklynite]

"I do not recall"...why does that sound familiar?

[maxrandb]

82. Cue the "I can't recall" mantra

That will go over well with the America people with Gonzo so fresh in their minds.

Funny how they can only "not recall" when Democrats are asking the questions.

[flyarm]

81. Ambass.you were quoted fall of Malaki government would be a good thing .were you accurately quoted?

basically ambassador said no..

[spanone]

84. petraeus was TOLD iraq is the central front on al qaeda....hmmmmm

[flyarm]

89. and whoooo told him that????????? why no follow up by anyone?

[trashcanistanista]

85. Oh god McCain!

Iraq is the central front for WOT !We are prepared to fill the gap! OK thay used the IRAN word. Leave it to McCain.

[trashcanistanista]

90. He does, he's

a running joke.

[rodeodance]

86. McCain bringing in IraN

[Cameron27]

87. McCain kills me, he thinks he's got so much gravitas,

and his opinion is sooo damned important.

[spanone]

88. mccain...anbar province 'stunning success'

[flyarm]

92. guess he didn't watch last hearing..lol

[ClayZ]

106. Two bridges blown up in Anbar today!

http://uruknet.info/?p=m36074&s1=h1

Stunning?

[rodeodance]

91. mccain wants P. to say Anbar could not have happened without the surge and P. complied

[flyarm]

94. anyone feel like we are in a time warp?????

[trashcanistanista]

97. Crocker

Did he just equate surge to ethnic cleansing in Balkans?

[bdamomma]

98. they talk about ethic cleansing like its nothing.

whose death squads???? Mr. Negroponte's ??????

[rodeodance]

101. its background chatter to them.

[trashcanistanista]

100. Crocker

my level of confidence (in maliki) is under control. What does that mean? either you have confidence or you don't.

[spanone]

102. that means the white house told him to shut the fuck up about maliki

[trashcanistanista]

105. Thanks for translating

Kennedy zeroed in on it.

[maseman]

107. He couldn't answer the Maliki question

Crocker stumbled, fumbled, mumbled and had no real answer.

[trashcanistanista]

104. KENNEDY!!!

Go Ted!! To Crocker: Your Ominious prediction when you say level of confidence is "under control". Good attack point.

[Cameron27]

103. Kennedy up

[bdamomma]

108. go Teddy!!!!

Teddy they do not care about the American people, we are being ignored.

[trashcanistanista]

110. Teddy

Iraqi leadership is holding American men and women service men hostage in Iraq!

[Cameron27]

109. Kennedy rocks

[trashcanistanista]

114. Teddy

not letting go.

[flyarm]

111. there it is "oil revenue sharing law"..there it is folks!!

[rodeodance]

113. yeah---bush said that in his last speach.

[bdamomma]

116. of course isn't it all about the oil, and wasn't the first ministry

protected the Oil Ministry, and wasn't the first slogan called Operation Iraqi Liberation, (OIL) and then they changed it.

[flyarm]

126. of course it was all about oil..that is the #1 benchmark..all this bullshit about benchmarks..

it always was all about oil..oil oil oil..but what did we protestors say before this fucking war of lies..it was all about oil..and we were told we were unpatriotic and we were called liars and traitors..but now when they say it is all about oil..what are they???????

where is that accountability? with any of them even the dems..why are they not screaming..yeah its all about fucking oil!

we have kids dying over their for bushes fucking oil!

[bdamomma]

135. oh my mistake, I met to say it was all about the oil, geez, I am so

upset I am screwing up. Sorry about that.

[ClayZ]

119. Merrily we go along.....

:puke:

[rodeodance]

112. Kennedy-------WH said they would hold Iraq gov accountable--they have NOT

[Cameron27]

115. The NIE said that political reconcilation is illusive

Amb. Crocker's keeping his enthusiasm under control!

[rodeodance]

117. ah ha-----Kennedy noting that even CRocker has doubts that reconsiliation will take place.

[spanone]

118. crocker is making shit up about maliki

[rodeodance]

120. Biden said it right last meeting---We STILL only have a Generic STAND UP and we STAND DOWN

[spanone]

121. thank you thank you thank you for your service and lies to our great nation

[bdamomma]

128. correction: to our once great nation.

[Justitia]

122. Aw crap, Sen Warner - everybody back to sleep...snoozefest. -eom

[rodeodance]

123. WARNER up

[rodeodance]

125. critical time he says-------been saying that for years.

[bdamomma]

124. Warner is on his way out too. Retirement.

[trashcanistanista]

130. Here it comes

his own christian view. Too early. We have to have top down reconciliation. No military solution. Has to be a political reconciliation. He is not making any sense. Credibility of US is on the line. pres has to get it right? He doesn't feel current status of Iraqi govt WHAT? He confused Crocker.

[spanone]

127. so was petreaus lying to his troops or lying to congress. good ? mr. warner

[MiniMe]

129. THREAD 3 UP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1785102

[rodeodance]

131. Does our strategy make America SAFER--P> says he does NOT know!