How could 9-11 have been prevented ?

[Wiregrass Willie]

By the spending of $27 by the airlines.



These locks cost $6.56.

Had each one of those four cockpit doors been locked, there would have been no 9-11.

This may seem like hindsight, but it really shouldn't be. Back in the early 1970s, there was a rash of passenger plane hijackings in which the hijacker would enter the cockpit and demand to be taken to Cuba. Why were the airlines so remiss in locking the doors a long time before 9-11 ?

Could it be that airline pilots consider it a perk to be able to fondle the stewardesses while on the job ? Probably. I can't think of another reason not to have locked the doors a long time ago.

[Gregorian]

1. So when the hijackers start killing passengers one by one...

the pilots aren't going to let them into the cockpit? That's the scenario I see happening.

[wuushew]

4. So what

Loss of the airplane would result in every passenger dying and possible collateral damage on the ground.

[MrSlayer]

6. Yes and they shouldn't open the door even in that event.

And who is to say the passengers wouldn't overwhelm and kill the hijackers? You can bet your ass I wouldn't just let them systematically kill me or my family or even a bunch of strangers without putting up one hell of a fight. I would never go out like that.

[Ghost in the Machine]

12. Most hijackers don't want to die, they want to get somewhere. They may *have* a bomb

but they just want to use it for itimidation purposes. They're not going to blow themselves up in the sky. Most of them know that if they start shooting wildly, they risk depressurizing or decompressing the cabin, which isn't going to work out well for them either. They don't want to get sucked out of the plane at 30,000 feet either.

They might start killing passengers, but as long as the pilot is in control of the plane and can't be gotten to, it's eventually gonna land and the hijacker is gonna pay. The pilot can also do a couple moves like dipping the wings or a quick diving or turning motion to keep the hijackers unsteady... like creating their own 'turbulence' or something.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. So you're saying the pilots are male, and the flight attendants female?

Hmm.

[mudesi]

10. Women can fondle men, you know

:P

[Joanne98]

3. If Al Gore had been in the WH! It's all the conservatives fault!

[Rick Myers]

5. That was going to be my answer!!!

Cheney did it!

[Zorra]

11. True. If Al Gore had been in the WH, the 9/11 attacks would not have

happened.

[flyarm]

19. damn that was my thought the minute i saw this thread!! Gore..

and my thought forever will be Gore..my co-workers would still be alive and myneighbors son would still be alive..and all the people lost in my hometown would all be alive.

fly

[goodgd_yall]

25. Mine too!

[babylonsister]

If your pretzeldent had taken the August PDB to heart and done something

then instead of doing nothing? Do I win a cookie?

[porphyrian]

7. That, or if the administration had simply acted on the information that the attack was coming.

"Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." It doesn't get much clearer than that.

You're right, though.

[MrSlayer]

8. it could have been prevented by keeping the perpetrators out of our government.

Unfortunately not one senator would stand up for the truth when it counted and those who stole the power got what they wanted.

[vanboggie]

16. You beat me to it

If they hadn't gotten away with stealing the 2000 vote, all of the atrocities these criminals have committed would have been prevented. Iraq and 9/11 were both part of the same inside job. Yet they don't get impeached, much less thrown into chains like they should be. :banghead:

[flyarm]

9. in 2001 all cockpit doors were locked on American Airlines..on those aircraft..

AND ALL AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRCRAFT...all AA flight crew had keys to the locks..

the flight attend in front of flight 11 had their throats cut ..i am sure the hijackers took their cockpit keys..to enter the Cockpit..

IT WAS PROCEEDURE AT PUSH BACK FROM GATE THAT ALL COCKPIT DOORS WERE LOCKED!
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR uNITED BUT I BELIEVE THEY HAD THE SAME PROCEEDURES AS WE DID ..THEY WERE FEDERAL PROCEEDURES!

please do not say something you have no knowledge of.

fly ..an American Airlines flight attendant ..now retired..2001 Flight Attendant of the year for AA NYC base

[Gregorian]

15. Thanks.

I honestly didn't know that they had ever locked cabin doors. And I remember flying up in the cockpit of a DC-3 as a kid. Those days are gone.

I wasn't saying locking doors would be wrong, in my post. But that locking the door might not be how we could prevent another 9/11 type of hijack.


Phew. I was hoping the question wasn't broader. Because the subject line in the original post is a very complex answer.

[flyarm]

18. all cockpit doors have been locked for a very very long time..in the 70's...

i can't remember what year exactly but i flew 33 yrs and as long as i can remember the doors have had locks..i tend to remember it was around 73-74..but i just can't remember when they were put on. but it has been a very long time.

fly

[Wiregrass Willie]

20. Locking it from the outside would have been stupid

Why would cutting the attendants throat open a lock INSIDE the cockpit, which is where it obviously was needed ?

[flyarm]

23. the flight attendants had keys!

the doors were auto locked..there was talk around the millenium about putting a bar across the door on the inside but repugs on behalf of the airlines turned their noses up on that idea.

blame it on the repigs!! and the airlines ...$$$$$$$$$ you know.

and remember at that time..not post 9/11 but pre 9/11 all hijackings were to go somewhere..the flight attend had ways to communicate with the cockpit there were hijackers..so the cockpit would be prepared..i can't say how that would breach security..and i won't do that..but having hijackers take over the aircraft was not in proceedures...the cockpit was to get the plane down asap..the proceedure was to get the plane on the ground.

hindsight is brilliant..and if we had had the warnings we were supposed to get of which this white house did not do..we would have had a forewarning..and proceedures could have been put in place of the particular warnings they had..but we never got warnings from this white house through the state dept or the DOT..( nor did the secretary of transportation get told of the warnings.... head of DOT was Norman Minetta..and he testified this to the 9/11 commission)





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[redqueen]

13. Or they could have stopped them before they got on the fucking planes.

Not like they didn't have ample evidence to do so, plus warnings from all over the world that something was going to happen USING PLANES, plus people watching the suspects, etc. etc. etc.

LIHOP at the very LEAST.

[Warpy]

14. If Phill Gramm had been defeated

because he single handedly blocked the tightening of offshore banking that would have closed the funding conduits that were used to bankroll the plot.

Gramm was protecting Enron, which was using those same conduits to launder stockholder money.

[killbotfactory]

17. Or Bush could have taken the threats of terrorism seriously

instead of ignoring them.

[yurbud]

21. simpler solution: not giving expedited visas to Saudis on terror watch list?

[AlCzervik]

22. indeed. the whole Saudi visa express program.

[yurbud]

27. when you absolutely positively need a terrorist attack overnight, call Saudi Express...

[AlCzervik]

24. the line about the pilots fondling the flight attendants--you win the prize

for one of the stupidest posts i've ever read on du.

[flyarm]

26. thank you..i wholeheartedly agree!..and i find it disgusting!!..

flight crews i flew with for 33 years are extrememly professional..they are there to save lives, and will put their own lives on the line to save lives.

and in 33 yrs i never had a pilot be anything but professional...nor a flight attendant.

total nonsense.

fly