Radio Frequencies Help Burn Salt Water (Energy Source?)

[bicentennial_baby]

ERIE, Pa. - An Erie cancer researcher has found a way to burn salt water, a novel invention that is being touted by one chemist as the "most remarkable" water science discovery in a century.

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.

The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570

[karlrschneider]

1. This was discussed and debunked at some length a week or so ago here.

:-)

[originalpckelly]

2. It doesn't produce more energy than it consumes.

[ThomWV]

6. Oh, Really?

Did you quit school in the 3rd grade?

[Warpy]

3. No comment on the amount of energy needed

to generate those radio frequencies.

[pretty_lies]

4. Jesus, What Bullshit

Please explain how you're going to extract more energy from that hydrogen than you put in to produce it.

I feel like beating this fellow over the head with my well-worn 5th edition of Atkins' Physical Chemistry.



Gotta love that "Penn State Chemist" too, here's his recent publications: with a notable focus on BULLSHIT like homeopathy, colloidal silver and religion in science...

"Ultradilute Ag-Aquasols with extraordinary bactericidal properties: the role of the system Ag-O-H2O," Materials Research Innovations, Volume 11, Number 1, pp. 3-18 (March 2007).

R. Roy, M. R. Hoover, A.S. Bhalla, T. Slawecki, S. Dey, W. Cao, J. Li, S. Bhaskar,

“The Structure of Liquid Water; Novel Insights from Materials Research; Potential Relevance to Homeopathy,” Materials Research Innovations, Volume 9, Issue 4, pp. 577-608 (December 2005)
Rustum Roy, William A. Tiller, Iris Bell, and M. Richard Hoover

"Scientism and Technology as Religions," Zygon, Journal of Religion & Science, Dec. 2005

"Expanding the Framework: Taking Back Religion from Technology and Theology from Science," Fourth Yoko Civilization International Conference, Science and Religion in the Age of Crisis, Aug. 2005.

[hobbit709]

5. Good old Airhead 101 "science"

[bbinacan]

10. WTF

do many on this site attack alternative energy research. Yes, it may not be feasible now, but what about the future. Sheesh, sometimes I feel like I'm on another site saying that solar, wind, hydro, etc. aren't workable.:banghead:

[tkmorris]

11. Sorry friend, but it's just science

To be useful as an energy source this "process" would have to violate a couple of physical laws. Sure, there are skeptics that will criticize just about every scientific endeavor (mostly because they cannot understand the thing they are criticizing), but you won't find too many of those on DU.

You cannot get more energy out of this process than you put in. The heat energy produced simply CANNOT exceed the energy used to produce the RF. Thus, as an energy source it's pretty much a waste of time. And energy. :)

[Solon]

12. There's a difference between PRODUCING alternative energy, and energy conversion and storage...

This system is a for CONVERTING ENERGY, not PRODUCING IT. All your other examples involve using external sources to produce the energy, in the case of Solar, the Sun, in the case of Wind, well, wind, hydro uses gravity, and you didn't mention geothermal, which uses Earth.

Anyone touting things like the "hydrogen" economy, or just plain pseudoscience aren't helping, to put it mildly.

[Traveling_Home]

7. Don't judge too quickly - Cancer Treatrment

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=73068

Inventor from Erie, P.A. teams up with leading cancer center.
The work has been quietly been going on for the last three years in a
no-frills laboratory in Erie, Pennsylvania. Inventor, John Kanzius,
working with Jim and Charlie Rutkowski, have been perfecting a device
that will kill cancer cells with a radio frequency.


Here's another link for the Energy Source possibility
http://www.physorg.com/news108666600.html

Here's the story on the cancer research

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http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=73068

This humble workspace could soon become the epicenter of one of the
most stunning scientific breakthroughs in cancer treatment in years.


Using the Kanzius RF machine and special nanoparticles, it appears
that cancer cells can be targeted and killed without harming the rest
of the body.


This is a deeply personal mission for John Kanzius. He is struggling
to beat leaukemia. And he knows firsthand how tough standard
treatments like chemotherapy and radiation can be on the body.


Kanzius told Channel 3's Mike O'Mara that, "If this ends up working
they way it looks, it really could be the holy grail of cancer
research."

[applegrove]

8. I saw it on the TV. Sure enough salt water burns when attached to

a continuous source of energy in the radio frequency. Don't know how much energy is actually produced..if any.

[eppur_se_muova]

9. AW, JEEZ ... NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN ...

http://www.wickedsunshine.com/WagePeace/Election2004/Images/AwJeez,NotThisShitAgain!.jpg

Please check for dupes next time ... this has been posted half a dozen times recently, and was also posted months ago, when it was debunked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=228&topic_id=33844&mesg_id=33852

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=228&topic_id=33816&mesg_id=33830

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=228&topic_id=30674&mesg_id=30674

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=107482&mesg_id=107482

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=228&topic_id=30674&mesg_id=30687

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=97798&mesg_id=97798

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=97448&mesg_id=97448

Maybe we need a "limitless energy & perpetual motion" forum/dungeon, cf the 9/11 forum ...

[Trillo]

13. Are they planning on igniting the seas? n/t