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Van23 Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:12 PM
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Was Valerie Plame Really "Outed"?
Sometimes, for kicks, I get on right wing web sites to see how deluded people are. Lots of wingers are STILL denying that Valerie Plame was covert.

Here's an excerpt from the Wilson v. Libby case:

The Government has
officially acknowledged, in documents filed in the Libby criminal case and at oral argument in
this matter, that Mrs. Wilson was a covert operative for the CIA, see Mot. Hearing Tr. 19:12-15,
and the Supreme Court has explained that "Totten's core concern" -- "preventing the existence of
the plaintiff's relationship with the Government from being revealed" -- is not implicated in "a suit
brought by an acknowledged (though covert) employee of the CIA." Tenet, 544 U.S. at 10.


https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2006cv1258-52

Seems pretty cut and dried, yes?

However, a winger responded that the charge was never tested in court. He said:

It is only a claim until someone gets charged. Until someone is charged the defense cannot contest it, which is a natural part of the course of a trial. ...Everyone who "leaked" and when they did so is known in this case, and no one is ever going to be charged, in large part because the prosecution feels the case will fall apart based on the testimony of the people who wrote the law in the first place.

This case was never anything but a politically-driven circus, conducted by fiercely partisan forces on both sides, and the spirit of the law in question was never violated.


I'm not a lawyer, but is this statement accurate? It seems the government has admitted that Plame-Wilson WAS covert. If that's the case, whether or n ot it was "tested" in court seems moot.



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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:13 PM
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1. But every Fox News talking head still claims she was not covert
Who do you think they believe?
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Van23 Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:15 PM
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2. They Believe Fox
of course. However, I expect FOX to spew garbage 24-7. I want to know the truth.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:16 PM
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3. What a moran! This is hugh! Seriesly hugh! I wasch Foxx.
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:19 PM
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4. Not even close to accurate.
The official investigation concluded, and stated in no uncertain terms, that her connection to the CIA was covert.

Further, so was the connection of her firm, Brewster Jennings, which operated as a CIA front company until it too was "outed" by Novak in a later column.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:27 PM
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8. Not to mention that Brewster Jennings was responsible for overseeing
Iran's nuclear development. Would the NeoCons have anything to gain by having Brewster Jennings not involved in watching Iran?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:19 PM
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5. Then Libby is one stupid guy for perjuring himself about it, isn't he?
Who knows.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:19 PM
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6. DICK CHENEY AMERICAN JUDAS
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:19 PM
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7. I don't think it matters if she was covert or not
They went after her and took her career away because of something her husband did. I can't even imagine how angry I would be if my husband upset someone and they got revenge by causing me to lose my job.

That's the big picture here. It doesn't matter if she was covert or not.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 05:37 PM
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9. Ask these freakin' idiots if Brewster Jennings was a covert
operation that V. Plame was in charge of. My guess is that they probably never even heard of Brewster Jennings oil company.
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