Why the Rethugs hate the Move On Ad

[malaise]

Betrayus was the snake oil salesman for Bushco's bullshit. He lied just like Powell. All this bullspit from Rethugs won't change that.

Even Tweety's saying that the Ad didn't kill anyone.
Bravo Move On - time will prove you right yet again.

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. You mean they stopped Clinton's impeachment?

Please ... Move On hasn't won a battle yet.

[Breeze54]

3. Move On was the group that woke up America in 2001!!

Pleeze stop with your ridiculous baseless opinions.

Makes you look sort of silly. They have helped to open

the dialogue about the invasion and all the other crap

that BushCo has been pulling.

"They" are people just like you and me.

Regular Americans joining together for the better.

[Fredda Weinberg]

9. There's nothing baseless about failure

And no, I won't stop posting facts on DU.

I don't know where you come from, but when I was involved in alternative media in 2001, Move On was nowhere in sight. What are you referring to?

[Breeze54]

17. You are naive' if you thought they could vote on bills!!

:rofl:

You posted your opinion.

And you didn't post facts with proof or links etc.

You've missed the whole point of what groups like Move On are all about.

To bad, so sad.

[Fredda Weinberg]

19. You need a link to Move On's history? Look it up yourself

The name came from the saying, "Censure and Move On." It *was* the point of the group and the damn thing should have died then.

I haven't missed any real point ... in 2001, I got busy to help save Pacifica network with a national fundraising campaign. I may not like Amy Goodman, but she gets out stories others leave behind. Now that's a legacy!

[Breeze54]

22. I didn't ask you for any links..I know where Move On's website is, unlike you.

Yes, you have missed the point.

[MzNov]

34. Move.On rocks!!!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

More speaking truth to power.

Long live truthseekers!!!!!!

:hug:

[Breeze54]

45. Hey there, baby!!

:hi: :hug: :hi:

:)

[Fredda Weinberg]

60. Can't remember your own post?

I quote, "And you didn't post facts with proof or links etc."

Willful ignorance is understandable, but not respectable. You may cheer losers if you like, but I want the war to end.

[Breeze54]

62. Yes, links backing up YOUR assertion of Move On's alleged

failure!! :eyes: As your opinion stated.

And you say you worked for Pacifica? wtf? :P

I didn't ask for the link to Move On's history.

Are you reading comprehension challenged?

[Breeze54]

20. A short history -- About Move On

A short history

MoveOn.org Civic Action was started by Joan Blades and Wes Boyd, two Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. Although neither had experience in politics, they shared deep frustration with the partisan warfare in Washington D.C. and the ridiculous waste of our nation's focus at the time of the impeachment mess. On September 18th 1998, they launched an online petition to "Censure President Clinton and Move On to Pressing Issues Facing the Nation." Within days they had hundreds of thousands of individuals signed up, and began looking for ways these voices could be heard.

In 1998, MoveOn PAC was formed as a political action committee so that like-minded, concerned citizens could influence the outcome of congressional elections, and in turn, the balance of power in Washington, D.C. Now known as MoveOn.org Political Action, this organization provides individuals, who normally have little political power, an opportunity to aggregate their contributions with others to gain a greater voice in the political process, and brings people together to take important stands on the most important issues facing our country.

The MoveOn Peace campaign was founded independently by Eli Pariser, a Maine native and recent graduate of Simon's Rock College of Bard. In the days following September 11th, 2001, he launched an online petition calling for a restrained and multi-lateral response to the attacks, which was quickly signed by more than half a million people. Eli joined forces with MoveOn soon afterward, and is now MoveOn.org Political Action’s Executive Director.

http://www.moveon.org/about.html

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Recent Success Stories
http://www.moveon.org/success_stories.html

2004 & 2005 Success Stories
http://www.moveon.org/success_stories04.html

[Downtown Hound]

61. Move On was heavily involved in getting out the vote for the 2006

elections. Were they the only ones? Of course not. But 2006 is really the ONLY major victory the left has had since 2000. So they're not the only ones coming up short.

[Cha]

2. I read moveon said they didn't do an

ad when powell did his show and now at least they'll have a history with betrayus. If they had they could have brought that out again to display the lies.

[malaise]

4. That's true but Powell is a General

and he lied big time so Generals do lie.

[Jacobin]

7. Betrayal is not the right word. Please. Let's have some respect

His Centcom commander refers to him as a "ass-kissing little chicken-shit".

I think we should do the same, seeing as how its a 'time of war' and all

:rofl:

[malaise]

8. OK then

"ass-kissing little chicken-shit" :rofl: :rofl:

[Cha]

13. That's exactly what I was trying

to convey..I'm betting moveon has learned from the ads they didn't do and they won't make that mistake again!

[malaise]

16. Correct

Do you remember the hell they gave Bill Maher after 9/11?

Everyone of the hacks who is screaming that this shit of a PR exercise is working said that every other con pulled by Bush was working. How they still get air play is what I find mind blowing.

Add.

[xchrom]

5. if the republick party believes -- as a matter of real consequences --

that the dems mean to fight as hard as they can -- and use all the tools available -- then the republick party might begin to have second thoughts about the kind of low down dirty tricks they've been using since reagan.

a good offense still beats a good defense.

now -- lets keep talking about the lies petraeus told.

[malaise]

6. It's that simple

Bravo Move-On.

[onethatcares]

10. the republick party believes that moveon.org

has a lot of pull with WE THE PEOPLE. That scares the beejesus outa em. If it wasn't for Michael Moore, Moveon.org, the Dixie Chix, and a few others, we'd all be relagated to the back of the bus. Bet on it.

I say KEEP IT UP MOVEON.ORG, if our elected representatives don't have the brass to say what needs to be said, then outside organisations have to.

[xchrom]

14. the republick party uses outside organizations as well as their own

attack tapeworm elected officials.

think fox news

american enterprize institute

club for growth

and on and on.

[MissWaverly]

31. Yes, and what about the Swift Boat Liars

did they come down on them like a ton of bricks, no. Moveon was trying to say that this report was all spin
with the purpose was to deceive the American people, which I believe is correct, and the net result
will be with 60% of America wanting the war to end and 70% of Iraqis want the war to end, there will be
no change for another year. The Baker-Hamilton report came out last December asking for a draw down,
the result, Bush escalated and there has been no real success and it looks like another Democratic
shock and awe resulting in a cave-in is in progress. They already saying that they don't have
the Republican votes, so we all know what that means. We have been nice since the Supreme
Court stole the 2000 election and it has gotten us nowhere. The GOP is never nice, Tom DeLay
was never nice, Karl Rove was never nice, and although I think of myself as a nice person, I
don't recommend being nice when people are dying for a lie.

[xchrom]

38. spot. on.

[MissWaverly]

41. Thank you

I noticed how on the CBS evening news how the frame was put, Bush's plan to "help" Iraq in the hands of capable Petraeus,
why is it always about "Bush" why is it not about what is going on in Iraq. The soldiers on the ground say they
see no signs of "success" and the Iraqis say the same thing. This is not about Bush, it is about what is
best for our soldiers and the Iraqi people.

[xchrom]

44. why isn't it about the fact that bush broke iraq?

iraq wouldn't be in the shape it's in -- nor would there be all that money missing -- or u.s. arms in the hands of insurgents and on and on -- were it not for bush.

[MissWaverly]

46. yes, but there are over 100,000 mercenaries there

that we are funding, what are THEY doing, who are they accountable to? And who decides what their long term mission
is. I agree with all your points, people need to look at the big picture. After the 2006 election, Bush nominated
Sec. Gates and it was, aw, give him a chance, now we have Gen. Petraeus, another new guy, aw, give him a chance.
Well, we have had many new faces in and out of the Iraq operation since 2003 and it is still the same. We
have to look at the Commander in Chief as responsible and the Iraqi Government that is also reponsible.

[xchrom]

50. everyone who supported the lie -- and continued their support of the lie

got promoted -- gates, condi, etc

all except libby -- who did get the benefit of having his sentence commuted.

[MissWaverly]

51. Yes, and those that spoke up were made to retire

or made to retract their statements

[malaise]

39. Great post

:yourock:

[MissWaverly]

43. Thanks

I just wish our Dem leaders would realize the power they have.
Currently there are 49 dem senators and 49 republican senators,
and 2 independents that caucus with the dems:
Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and we all know Joe Lieberman. I still
think if they would filibuster and use the options that they
have, they could make a big difference instead of following
the GOP lead. The GOP in it's current state only has contempt
for compromise. We have already given them a blank check
and it's turned into 1 big IOU with more that 1 million
Iraqis dead and no end in sight.

[Breeze54]

47. "I don't recommend being nice when people are dying for a lie"

Me neither!! Well said. Thank You! :hug:


:yourock:

[MissWaverly]

49. we have to keep pushing

help the Dems see the big picture or this failed strategy will continue to January 2009, it will fail, there might
have been a time in the very beginning where a different strategy might have saved it but it is lost now.

[Breeze54]

54. Oh, I'm pushing all right! Fear not!!

I have hosted protests, just last week as a matter of fact and I've sent letters
and have signed petitions, made phone calls and post on many messageboards to
'get the word out'! I'm an activist. Have been for over 30 years. Seems you are also!
Some use words, some wear pink or attend marches to spread the word.

[MissWaverly]

56. thank you

many have given up and don't even listen to the news, but I think that if we give up that it will only get worse not better.
I am glad that you "are pushing" back. Moveon has gotten itself heard which I think is good, becuz this is the first
time that the message was clearly repeated, not just crazy bloggers, or Osama is like those naughty bloggers or the
bloggers are just stupid. No, the message was clearly repeated, and people will remember it when we find that
Iraq is not showing progress, has not shown progress and will not show progress until the life of the Iraqi people
improve and that is not happening.

[Saturday]

11. Move on's ad was in the paper for only 1 day.

But have you noticed all the pro war ads on TV with the soldiers already hurt in Iraq hankerin to get back to Iraq to stop those terrorists. If they don't they'll come and get us again just like on 911? And the mom whose son died in Iraq? We have to stay so he won't have died in vain. They are total bullshit. Why does no one talk about them. It's just the Move On ad that is talked about.

[malaise]

12. Their ads are A OK according to them

but when Move On hits them with the truth about yet another lying General, it's fire and brimstone. Fuck them. Bravo Move On!

[gratuitous]

15. They hate it because it was effective

If the GOP didn't think it would resonate with people, and didn't contain some easy-to-understand talking points that completely shot down Petraeus' little song and dance, they'd ignore it. But it's effective, so they have to be out there, baying and yipping as if such a thing has never happened before in the history of politics. As if there was never any such persons or events as Terri Schiavo or the Wellstone celebration of life service.

As short as GOP memories are, their outrage is even longer.

[malaise]

18. Bingo

The more they attack, the more it's working.

[Fredda Weinberg]

21. It was counterproductive

It made Petraus a sympathetic figure just when he was ready to bury himself and helped solidify *'s support with his base.

[Breeze54]

23. The polls disagree with you.

US Surge Has Failed - Iraqi Poll

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/10/3750/

About 70% of Iraqis believe security has deteriorated in the area covered
by the US military “surge” of the past six months, an opinion poll suggests.

----------------

Poll: Majority mistrustful of upcoming Iraq report

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/16/poll.iraq.report/

WASHINGTON (CNN) --

A majority of Americans don't trust the upcoming report by the Army's top commander in Iraq
on the progress of the war and even if they did, it wouldn't change their mind, according to
a new poll.

But according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Thursday, 53 percent of people
polled said they suspect that the military assessment of the situation will try to make it
sound better than it actually is. Forty-three percent said they do trust the report.

And that percentage is growing!!

[malaise]

28. Bingo

This is all spin by Bushco and the usual MSM hacks. Bravo Move On.

[chaumont58]

24. sympathetic to whom?

chimpie's crew can not sell this fuckin' war, not this time. The pukes harp on the Move-on ad because they desparately want to change the subject. chimpie's war is an albatross around their collective neck. I say bully for move-on! More power to them.

[The Count]

25. Sympathetic? To whom?

This is the most twisted rationale I ever heard!
"Don't point out the lies, or the liars will get sympathy from their own camp"

[malaise]

29. Twisted rationale is kind

Move On kept it simple and for interested persons they presented details. The lying General betrayed his troops and the people. There is no other interpretation.

[muntrv]

26. Rethugs cry like bitches when you criticize them.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. They hate it because they don't believe anyone should be permitted to express dissent.

Ever. Period. End of story.

[malaise]

30. Bingo

100% correct and don't forget the general strike on the 15th. Attack the messenger -divide and rule.

[MzNov]

32. It's not so much the content of the ad, but the method

and the protest itself. These are people who HATE the left or anyone they can accuse of being "liberals". they're pissed because THEY didn't think of it :)

I've been urging people to buy full-page ads FOR-EVER. It's beeeeeeutiful.

:bounce:

More protests!!! More disruption!! More Noise!!!!

[creeksneakers2]

33. MoveOn.org is doing a great job

I monitor right wing radio and MoveOn.org has them all very upset. Its great. Even one little ad terrifies the right wing because the truth eventually wears lies away.

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. The one thing repukes hate...THE TRUTH. That ad was truthful and they know it. Have any of the

repukes actually refuted what the ad SAID? NO! All they've done is whine about how it insulted their mouthpiece!

[malaise]

40. Absolutely correct

Just Gimme some truth.

Bravo Move On.

[MissWaverly]

48. also I am reading John Dean's new book: broken government

he says rightwing conservatives despise liberals and progressive and want to lock them out of power forever.
They hate us becuz we make the government work, they want the government to fail so they can
privatize it. Did you ever hear of a catered war paid for by credit before this crowd.
It doesn't matter how nice we are to them, we are the "enemy."

[malaise]

53. I ordered it last night

Can't wait for it to arrive.

[MissWaverly]

55. Here's a snip to read while you are waiting for your book

Page 23: Broken Government: How Republican Rule Destroyed the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branches. - John W. Dean,
Viking Books, NY 2007. Now on sale at Amazon.

"Liberals, while enjoying the perquisites of office, also want to be in a position to use government to solve problems. But conservatives have different motives for wanting power. One is to prevent liberals from doing so; if government cannot be made to disappear, at least it can be prevented from doing any good. The other is to build a political machine in which business and the Republican Party can exchange mutual favors; business will lavish cash on politicians (called campaign contributions) whle politicians will throw money back at business (called public policy). Conservatism will always attract its share of young idealists. And young idealists will always be disillusioned by the sheer amount of corruption that people like Gingrich and DeLay generate. If yesterday's conservative was a liberal mugged by reality, today's is a free-marketer fattened by pork."

:-)

[malaise]

57. Thanks n/t

[Redstone]

36. Truth hurts.

Redstone

[superkia]

37. Where ever MoveOn has been, Im happy they are with us on this one.

[NNN0LHI]

42. Anyone who says they don't hear Betrayus when someone says Petraeus is being disingenuous

Its effective. Very effective.

Don

[Enrique]

52. they don't really hate the ad

they're just grasping around for something to change the subject.

[MissWaverly]

59. they also hate losing the frame

after all this spin, someone has finally called them on, this is spin, they are totally uncomfortable with that, they have been
telling whoppers for a long time and no one has ever called them on it. And if Petraeus was not telling whoppers, why
did he not testify under oath. Remember the ball player who did not testify under oath to Congress who said he did not use
steroids when he really did.

[spanone]

58. r

[Swamp Rat]

63. Geaux MoveOn!

:kick: